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Homs 'medieval siege and slaughter'

2012-03-03 13:15

London - A British photographer wounded in Homs said on Friday that the bombardment of the besieged Syrian city amounted to a "medieval siege and slaughter", and he denounced the Damascus government as "murderers".

Paul Conroy, 47, was speaking from a hospital bed in Britain, where he returned a couple of days ago after being smuggled into Lebanon on Tuesday.

"In Baba Amr there is nowhere to run. It's a slaughterhouse in there," he told CNN in a telephone interview, describing how people would be gunned down by snipers if they left their homes to venture into the streets in Homs.

"There are actually no military targets within Baba Amr. All of the intense shelling is in fact directed at the civilian population," he said.

"It would be wrong to call this a war. This is a medieval siege and slaughter. I would hesitate to use the word war."

Investigations 'laughable'

Conroy was working for Britain's Sunday Times when he was caught in an attack in the Baba Amr district of Homs on February 22. The assault killed his US reporter colleague Marie Colvin and French photographer Remi Ochlik.

Conroy said the Syrian government's promise of an investigation into the deaths of the two journalists was "laughable", and that those guilty of killing them should go on trial at The Hague for crimes against humanity.

"I was with Marie when she was killed and I know who killed her," he said.

"Professional artillery men targeted, bracketed and murdered Marie Colvin. They murdered Remi. This was murder, there's no need for investigation.

"The Syrian regime - I mean I - you know, I'm sitting there mourning the loss of a friend and a colleague and I have to listen to this nonsense from the murderers themselves. It's like the murderers are investigating the murderers," he added.

Conroy said in an earlier interview with Britain's Sky News that "it's a massacre, an indiscriminate massacre of men, women and children".

'More than a catastrophe'

The former soldier said Syrian government forces had begun their attacks at 06:30 every morning, "systematically moving through neighbourhoods with munitions that are used for battlefields".

He said the humanitarian situation when he was there was "more than a catastrophe", as there was no power or water, and food was scarce.

"There's still thousands of people in Homs... they're living in bombed-out wrecks, children six to a bed, rooms full of people waiting to die.

"They see no relief, nothing, other than waiting for the moment the soldiers come in, or the shell comes through the door," he said.

Baba Amr became a symbol of the months-long uprising against President Bashar Assad's regime and was under siege for nearly four weeks until rebel fighters staged what they called a tactical retreat on Thursday.

Conroy said that since the international media had pulled out of Homs, the communications lines between the rebels had gone down.

"I fear for what is happening. There's no restraint with cameras there -- God knows what's going to happen now the cameras have gone," he added.

Colvin 'unique'

Conroy said he was feeling "remarkably well, all things considered". He had two large wounds in his leg and doctors pulled a 7.6cm piece of shrapnel out of his back that he did not even know was there.

He paid tribute to Colvin, "a unique person", noting: "To work with her was an absolute privilege. She was tenacious, one of the bravest people I know.

"Marie died doing something she was completely passionate about. She was in one of the most dangerous situations in the world at this current time, and she just wanted to tell the truth. She was horrified."

The International Committee of the Red Cross said Colvin's body, along with that of Ochlik, was being taken from Homs to Damascus on Friday, although it was unclear what will happen to it from there.

A spokesperson for Britain's Foreign Office, while recognising Colvin's US citizenship, said: "We have been in touch with the Sunday Times and they are making arrangements for repatriation with the relevant authorities."

Comments
  • Fidel - 2012-03-03 13:19

    London - A British photographer wounded in Sirte said on Friday that the bombardment of the besieged Libyan city amounted to a "medieval siege and slaughter", and he denounced the Nato governments as "murderers". Imagine the so called journalists from the MSM reporting the news freely without any slant.

      Gerhard - 2012-03-03 14:52

      Fidel since when do you use tanks, snipers and artillery against civilians? Have you heard of batons, rubber bullets, water cannons etc.?

      PeggySven - 2012-03-03 15:02

      @Fidel, he denounced the Syrian regime, not NATO. It just goes to show that you have no comprehension skills at all. It is people like you that keep dictators in power, as you lack the ability to reason in any way.

      Michael - 2012-03-03 15:16

      On the streets of London maybe Gerhard. In Syria feelings run far too high to make such things possible. Also, Western governments have taken years to learn how to equip and respond to rioting crowds in the inner cities, mainly by deploying specially trained police, water cannons etc. Unfortunately in ME countries, there is the army and the army, with no subtlety at all. Even in Egypt, the army was deployed but fortunately stood back, the police tried to impose control but soon realized they could not cope so also ended up standing back. That's why it all ended without excessive bloodshed in Egypt. Syria is totally different with the bulk of the army including the full time soldiers supporting the government. Obviously some have defected but these are mainly from the ranks of the non-professional conscripts. (Syria has a system not unlike our old apartheid system for conscription of young males into compulsory service)

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:31

      You're writing to yourself Fidel in your first two responses. In regard to your third, it is absolutely ridiculous that you still think this, or pretend to think this. EVERYONE who's been watching the events unfold in Syria with a clear eye knows for close on eleven months demonstrations have been by peaceful, unarmed civilians who have been killed in their thousands mainly by sniper-fire, and detained and tortured by the tens of thousands. By now, at this stage of the discourse, you're just a plain liar.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 16:49

      Your pedantic ramblings reek of self satisfaction....tiresome!

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:55

      Hopefully your self-centered, manipulative Ego is becoming tired. You're allowing it to make a complete fool of you.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:14

      More puerile drivel!

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:27

      From a person who likes the heartless crushing of peaceful demonstrations by citizens of a country who have not had THE RIGHT TO VOTE in 48 years, the same as the Apartheid era, I understand you think I'm being puerile.

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 17:50

      @Fidel, "It is quite amusing that when posters lack a coherent argument and are forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up." Fidel---March 03 2012 14.04h Sorry !!!!!!!! , You were saying ?????

      Pierre - 2012-03-04 05:33

      Sounds very similar to Fallujah. Indiscriminate killing of civilians including children and even the use of white phosphorus in an urban area. Words from Wikipedia on Fallujah: “[…] U.S. personnel were indicated in war crimes and human rights abuses, including indiscriminate violence against civilians and children”. People are so obsessed with Syria, while those same people were so very quite when the Americans were out of control in Iraq. International hypocrisy at it’s best. Mis-using human rights to further selfish political aims.

      Pierre - 2012-03-04 05:44

      I don't like killing of civilians, and I do support free speech and right to express dissidence. The problem is that I do want an international standard on military activities. Americans cannot just do what they want while the rest have to adhere to a very strict code of conduct. Then protestors running around with RPG’s are not really defenseless civilians. How would the US or Britain react if “protestors” start showing up on the their streets with RGS’s and assault rifles? (Well we can take our clue from the civil rights era and the Black Panthers.)

      Fred - 2012-03-04 08:32

      Pierre, you're talking absolute rubbish. As for your desire for "international standards for military activities", these have long existed. The freer world follows them. The parties that don't are the extremists who you enable. The ones who have INTENTIONALLY killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and elsewhere. To you this goes under the radar. The countries that do follow the rules are targeted. Brilliant.

      nowicki1 - 2012-03-04 10:34

      Fred's comeback to anything (even a quote from wikipedia) "You're talking absolute rubbish !".

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 11:48

      Excuses from Fidel. Michael, Patrick and Notsogoodthing Fidel went out to do her hair!! Michael spend the whole nite watching silly conspiracy websites, and has now fallen asleep over his computer!!! Patrick woke up confused, and is now trying to find out, if "Syria" is some new energy drink!!!! And Notgoodforanything is looking for his girlfriend !!!!

      Michael - 2012-03-04 12:54

      What a weak and pathetic retort anthony. you have certainly run out of any ideas and arguments, just the same old personal attacks from you. go find another blog to bother.

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 13:53

      Anthony, I asked you sometime ago why do you say that non MSM websites are conspiratorial. Anyone to you who questions or points out the establishment's intransigence is a conspiracy theorist. You have been given a large brain by mistake since a spinal chord would have sufficed. ( to paraphrase Einstein)

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 14:34

      "It is quite amusing that when posters lack a coherent argument and are forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up." Fidel---March 03 2012 14.04h

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 14:56

      @Fidel, To answer your question; First of all, you are very good making up your own stories, as I never mantioned that going outside of the MSM, is wrong. Off course its not, the info one can get, from as many differrent quarters, the better, so one is able to make informed point of view. But the issue here is, that many on these sites , who support dictators, murderers , tyants and war criminals , often say that the BBC , CNN, SKY ,ABC and Al-Jazeera are propaganda stations. And that is so unbelievable pathetic, dumb , ignorant and plain CHILDISH. Most certainly, reporters from SKY, BBC and Al-Jazeera , are giving a far more informed and accurate picture of what's happening on the ground in Syria, than some micky mouse commentator on RT !!!! Here in SA, its hard to call the Citizen a "newspaper" For the same, its difficult to call RT a news channel.....its a comedy station for the dumb and gullible !!!!

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 15:10

      You said, "they are conspiracy sites", your words not mine. "Most certainly, reporters from SKY, BBC and Al-Jazeera , are giving a far more informed and accurate picture of what's happening on the ground in Syria, than some micky mouse commentator on RT !!!!" What makes you conclude positively that the MS news agencies are credible? You probably also think that Murdoch's NOW is credible.

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 16:29

      @Fidel, One must stay reasonable serious when making a comment. If you see i.e. on SKY NEWS a tourist bus overturned in France, it would not be normal to question, if there was actually an accident. Than you might as well question , if your desk top is not round !!!! This would be going to the absurdity. So , when you go to i.e SKY or Al-Jazeera, and you see and hear well known reporters showing and telling you, what is going on, it would be absurd to question their authenticity. If you see a town, like Homs, that has been distroyed, and which could only have been done with tanks and rockets, it would be silly to suggest that the Homs boyscouts had a rough nite on the town. When you see a mother crying next to her ten year old son, who was shot by a sniper , coming back from buying a loaf of bread , it would be insane to suggest that this scene was taken in a Hollywood studio. But, now you see ( CLOSE UP !!! ) scenes on Syrian state TV, and off course on RT, of THOUSANDS, but in fact you don't see more than 30 or 40 at a time, of assad "supporters" lining the streets , when Russia's Sergey Lavrov, came to talk some sense into this dictator. We have seen these scenes before, you remember Green Square in Tripoly, with 2.7 MILLION supporters of that fruitcake. You also agree that it were these same people,that danced in the streets when they knew their tyrant was gone forever !! If only you would spend a bit more time watching SKY etc, you would have a better understanding

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 16:35

      @Fidel, And when it comes to Murdoch; Sure that is disgraceful, what has been going on. But for your info; Nobody is questioning the credibility of their stories, one is questioning by what means, they got these !!!!!

      ZION - 2012-03-04 16:46

      Gerhard: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those bombs were aimed at the civilians of those two cities.

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 16:53

      Duplicity, Hypocrisy & Lies are all we can expect from the Main Stream Media as they Mainly Sell Mendacity. Did the MSM question the lies about Iraq's WMDs or the babies being thrown out of incubatirs, the viagra wielding African mercenaries. It is one of contemporary journalism’s most disastrous conceits that truth cannot exist in the absence of revealed evidence. By accepting the tyranny of the known, the media inevitably relies on the official version of the truth, seldom asking the government to prove its case, while demanding of critics of that official version the most exacting tests of evidence. If intelligence means anything, it means not only the collection of facts, but arranging them into some sort of pattern of probability so we can understand more than we actually know. You obviously prefer to read what "reporters" and "journalist" tell you what some said and what they think they meant when they said it. In terms of providing actual information MSM journalists come bottom of the class. Paper, unfortunately, never refuses ink. As Noam Chomsky reminds us, it is not the purpose of the mainstream media to question the corporate-state arrangement. That task has fallen to the Internet.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 16:59

      ... all YOU can expect, because of your preconceived anti-West beliefs which lead you to a completely faulty conclusion of what is real happening. This is why your views are so whacky, so wrong as to make them laughable, if they were not so tragically stupid.

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 17:12

      @Fidel, "To confuse, is the easiest way, to dedeny the truth !!! Earlier , you asked me a question, and I, at least tried to, answered you. Now I would like to ask you a question; This morning, you made a comment on a story, re the dissapearance of 300 million Rand, off state funds. Someone made this comment: "The cause of this, one man, one vote" Than you made the following comment; " What would you rather happened, a one state party? " What did you mean by this ?????

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 17:15

      @Fred I do wonder if your head commissars are aware that you are exhibiting a sequelae of emotional disorder and that probably you are in need of a good long rest.. permanently!

      Fred - 2012-03-04 17:22

      "Head Commissars"? What on earth are you talking about now Fidel?

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 17:36

      Fidel, "It is quite amusing that when posters lack a coherent argument and are forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up." Fidel---March 03 2012 14.04h

      Fidel - 2012-03-04 17:47

      @Anthony Context is very important! That poster gave the impression that it is because of ordinary folk (Africans) being allowed to vote that is causing problems in this country as they are the group that keeps the ANC in power. By me asking him to what he would rather have preferred was to prod him to state what he wants to say but being afraid of being labelled a racist. What do you understand by this statement. "I blame one man one vote for the problems in this country"?

  • Anthony - 2012-03-03 13:35

    It is a disgrace that the USA and Europe have allowed this to happen. AND TO HELL WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA, WHO COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS. And to those who STILL want to protect this murderers tyrant, you most certainly don't talk of behalf of any decent human being on this planet !!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:24

      Allowed this to happen? They are BEHIND THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGePs7b2eQI&feature=share

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:36

      That's ridiculous goyougoodthing, but consistent with your faulty view. The unarmed, peaceful civilians who've been killed by the thousands, detained and tortured by the tens of thousands are not provoking the Assad regime. How do peaceful demonstrators provoke an army-wielding dictator who hasn't allowed Syrians the right to vote in 48 years? Ridiculous that you think this, and that the Russian regime think this. But then the Russian regime is neo-Soviet, with a recent history of doing exactly what the Assad regime is doing. 134 countries out of the 151 on Earth are clear and stand together on this: Assad must stop his killing of Syrians and step down. You're among the wrong minority.

      Pierre - 2012-03-04 05:49

      I am glad China and Russia put some restraint on the uncontrolled military aggression of NATO. The US, Britain and France has left more damage, death and torture than what was done under the regimes they removed. Nothing about this is human rights, but pure political expansion through aggressive military action.

      Pierre - 2012-03-04 06:01

      @ Fred - That 48 years you mentioned sounds very familiar. Maybe an example closer to home will illustrate. Very similar to your argument; for 48 years the NP did not allow the majority of people in this country to vote. How would it have helped us if the American bombed our major cities and handed power to an Umkhonto militia? Irrespective of ones political view on SA, a negotiated internal political change as we had was so much more superior to the Americans just charging in and bombing everything.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 08:50

      More rubbish and misinformation from you Pierre. Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Kurdish families, waged war on Iran that claimed the lives of ONE MILLION PEOPLE, invaded Kuwait FOR THE OIL, and his sons caused rape and mayhem wherever they went. Islamist extremists have INTENTIONALLY Killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of civilians with their car bombs and suicide attacks. Your focus? Not on this. No. Rather, you focus on the freer world that has entrenched human rights in their constitutions, the rule of law, democracy, a free press, and independent judiciaries. Utterly weird.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 08:57

      Regarding your second passage, the National Party had the good sense and wisdom to abandon their oppressive policies. Assad on the other hand has refused to end his killing, detentions, and torture. He has killed thousands of unarmed Syrians mostly with sniper-fire in a matter of months. He has been given a license to kill by the archaic Russian and Chinese regimes. He has written the draft constitution himself. If passed under the barrel of his guns, he will be in office for another fourteen years. Imagine if the Apartheid government had done that. To you this is okay. There is no "internal settlement" with a murdering leader, nor should there be. Assad is going, and it won't be pretty. It's just a matter of time. There is NO place in our world for leaders like him.

      nowicki1 - 2012-03-04 10:37

      More rubbish uh Fred?

      Pierre - 2012-03-04 11:37

      @ Fred – I am not going to get into a long tit for tat here. One has to choose the better of two evils. The US invasion has caused a staggering death toll in Iraq, and political instability that caused far more deaths and tortures than were done under Hussein. Often in the Middle East the interventions have caused much more problems than it solved. Then the gassings you talked about were done when Iraq was still a close ally of the US; making the US complicit. I am not anti-US or anti-NATO, only the same controls must apply to everybody. NATO also abuses and one must address there abuses with equal disdain.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 16:51

      The staggering death toll is entirely CAUSED BY AL-QUAIDA AND THE TALIBAN who have INTENTIONALLY killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS with their car bombs and suicide attacks in public places. In your mind the US is complicit with Saddam Hussein's gassing of Kurds, but Al-Quaida and The Taliban are not the cause of the deaths mentioned above. And you call that a balanced perspective. Obviously not. Thus your perspective is faulty, lacks power, character and is ultimately irrelevant.

  • Anthony - 2012-03-03 13:43

    Even yesterday, those assad DOGS, would not let any humanitarian aid getting into Homs To those who want to continue play their sick little anti Western games, and still got a good word for this BUTCHER OF DAMASCUS, anybody , even with one ounce of decency in them , dispices you !!!!!!

  • Douglas - 2012-03-03 13:54

    This is an outrage, a crime against humanity. To hell with diplomacy or sanctions, strong-worded statements, or threats about being tried at the International Criminal Court. These will not save the thousands of civilians, incl women and children, who are being systematically targeted. The world MUST be able to step in, and step in with overwhelming force, in a situation like this. At least, so one would have thought.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 13:59

      There will be no marching anywhere!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:24

      If this is a crime against humanity then the US and the CIA, MI6, MOSSAD must stand trial.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:38

      Rubbish Fidel and goyougoodthing (assuming you're actually two different people).

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 16:51

      Another non-sequitur!

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:56

      I suggest you look that word up in the dictionary Fidel. Funny.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:16

      With good words you can make strong sentence. I have good words. I am sure of this.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:29

      Fidel, you allowed your hero Moamar Gaddafi to keep you in an infantile state of mind. No offense. Just the truth. Your thought process is shockingly empty.

      Nibiru - 2012-03-03 20:02

      Its the goyougoodthing-fidel-graziella-patrick show

      Fred - 2012-03-03 21:15

      Side-show. Their views are really so off-beam.

  • Michael - 2012-03-03 14:28

    It is really tragic that the innocent have had to suffer. Bad strategy from the start, including by an armed insurgency or rebellion that chose to fight from inside a densely populated residential area. It was never in doubt that the government, would hit back hard. As the dear Americans would say, "collateral damage". Now we have the propaganda and spin, coming thick and fast from both sides. Ratcheting up this war is not the answer Douglas. The nature of the beast is that overwhelming force will lead to overwhelming casualties. The more the West and bloggers such as Africa and Fred come with condemnation and invective, the more time is lost and the more serious this becomes. The only hope now is for a neutral broker such as Kofi Annan to try to negotiate a cease fire, but that will have to be bilateral and not just demanded from one side. Unfortunately the fire is being stoked constantly by our capital letter blogging friends and their favorite egotistical politicians. They have only one demand , that Assad be deposed/killed. Maybe that will eventually be realized, but only at a huge price in human suffering and lives, which it seems some believe is worth paying. By the way, it is perfectly plausible to me that the retreating rebels have left mines and booby traps against the incoming government forces. (I would do the same in the circumstances) If any Red Cross workers are killed going in, the government will be sure to catch the media blame for not protecting them.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 14:43

      Spot on, as I've said in the past that the so called insurgents are equally responsible for this as they should have realised by now that they are not going to shoot their way to power but should agree to a cease fire and negotiate with their government and stop being poorly advised by those who have ulterior motives for the Assad regime to fall. Irresponsibility is not freedom!

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 15:43

      As usual, Fidel, you miss the point, as you are blinded by this inmature silly anti Western stuff. gaddafi called them rebels and rats, and this assad, who is a bit smarter than that gaddafi fruitcake, calls them terrorist, and you call them insurgents..... but in Europe and here in SA, we call these kind of people by a different name : OPPOSITION Opposition members, who after 41 years, have had enough of these assads, this butcher with his sick slimy goofy smile, his brothers, his uncles, the whole damn lot. The Syrians want their country back. Thousands were murdered by this assad thug's daddy, and now he continous with the assad family tradition; slaughter any oppostion. But NOTYHING is going to stop them this time, not even the suppliers of weapons and amunition to dictators; Russia !!!

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 16:48

      Wrong, in the west they are called terrorists for defending their lands, women and children.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:58

      Wrong Fidel, as usual. The so-called West wants all citizens of a country to have the right to vote, even extremists.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:07

      Really? Are they working for democracy when attacking those leaders that actually do win elections, such as Hamas, Hezbolla or the Alliance of Builders of Islamic Iran. Only a double-thinker could accept that position. The western view of a democratic country is one who's government can be led by the nose to support the USA's (and their allies) policies whilst having their resources pillaged.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:15

      Yes really. Look at Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. Of course with Hamas you're upside-down too. It is Hamas that is being led by the nose, to use your language, by the UNELECTED dictatorships of the region who are using it to distract their populations from not being allowed to vote, and to hold onto power. WHo is paying the price? Mainly the Palestinians. Ask yourself why these regimes, which have vast areas of land, have not given the Palestinians the few neighborhoods they need, instead fuel arms to them inciting violence and killings?

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:34

      You seems to be labouring a point that everyone accepts. Which is pointless. Good bye.........

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:40

      Which points do you agree with?

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:57

      I think it was a big mistake when teachers started calling stupid kids "learning disabled". You might have been more motivated if they just gave it to you straight.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 18:28

      ?

  • Hunter - 2012-03-03 14:35

    It boggles the mind when you read about this and other conflicts all over the world where the UN just stands by and witness y=the slaughter of innocent people, while they are supposedly the orginsation that brings peace and human rights all over the world. They are just a bunch of polical washouts that never performed in their own countries' politics.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 14:40

      As Sir Humphrey Appleby use to say:- "the united nations is the agreed forum to wage war on one's enemies without having to fire a single bullet." (paraphrased of course.)

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:47

      Ask yourself who and what the UN represents. It was the League of Nations back in the day, check whose hands founded it, then the answers become clear.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:39

      That's progress wouldn't you say Fidel? Probably not to you.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:43

      goyougoodthing/Fidel, the UN is made up of all the countries on Earth. Military decisions are made by the Security Council, and decisions must be unanimous. This is why with Syria, rogue regimes like Russia and China can stymy the world in right action. You're being such a manipulative fool that you don't realize you're arguing against yourself.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:01

      Decisions of the General Assembly are non binding. Now ignorance of a given fact does not in itself mean you are ignorant.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:16

      ?

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:41

      But what's your point?

      Anthony - 2012-03-03 19:25

      "It is quite amusing that when posters lack a coherent argument and are forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up." Fidel---March 03 2012 14.04h Sorry !!!!!!!! , You were saying ?????

  • Michael - 2012-03-03 14:43

    An elaboration of the current Russian government stance, judge for yourself on which is the preferable strategy for Syria: http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en/Article/view/114594

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 14:58

      Russia simply sees the truth, not the Western media's Rothschild view of what is happening.

      Hunter - 2012-03-03 16:02

      Why did the Russians not go to diplomacy and peace talks when the Georgians wanted their Ossetian territory back? They first retaliated with military force and war. Now they want people that does not trust each other to sit around a table to talk peace, while dictators have proven in the past that you cannot negotiate with them. Of course extremists (not just religious ones) will be part of the uprising - they start all uprisings. Without extremist thinking you will not have uprisings. Maybe some third force is involved, but for that they needed people that are fed up with current regime to fuel the uprising. So, whether fueled by CIA, MI6 or whoever, a lot of people in Syria are fed up with Assad, just like lots of people became fed up with the previous SA government and fought against them, some even from extremist backgrounds. To set the scene for fair negotiations, an ovewhelming force (UN if they were worth something) needs to neutralise both fighting factions to a state that both can see the sense of negotiating. Then they can negotiate.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 16:07

      @Michael "Moscow doesn’t defend any side in Syria. Instead, it adopts a principled stance in dealing with the crisis," Putin said, stressing that the goal of the Russian policy is to halt violence and killing and to convince all sides to sit around the dialogue table and discuss political reforms. xxxxxxxx And why are the western powers not supporting this stance which clearly seeks to save lives if what they are concerned about is the lives of Syrians. Careful Michael that you don't get labelled a conspiracy theorist seeing that you read outside the MSM.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 16:18

      Hunter speaks some sense. The Russians, though, yes they have been very bad in the past, but this does not then disqualify everything that they say henceforth. I think that they are aware of the Western threat of the bankers and this is not a good thing for them.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:44

      It's obvious that Russia is off the right path, has a wrong perspective consistent with its violent values.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:46

      goyougoodthing/Fidel, if only you knew how ridiculous you make yourself. The Rothschilds are hardly in present-day US consciousness. It's just rubbish what you're saying. I suppose it's best you keep doing this because it keeps your noxious ideas out of the mainstream. They're laughable.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:50

      Fidel, they did but the violent Assad regime chose not to talk and decided again and again to try and crush the peaceful demonstrations militarily. Thousands of unarmed civilians have been killed mainly by sniper-fire, and tens of thousands more have been detained and tortured. Assad pretended to be talking all the while instructing his army to kill, maim, detain and torture. Under these circumstances the freer world (which does not include the Russian regime unfortunately) has learnt through bitter, heart-wrenching experience there is no talking that will work, only a clear united demand to stop and step down, or else.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 16:54

      The Assad family has been in UNELECTED power for 48 years, the same as the Apartheid regime. Syrians have not been allowed the basic human right to vote. Assad's father killed tens of thousands of people in Homs, just like his son is doing. Assad junior came into power when his father handed the reins over to him. The Assads think it is okay to hand countries down from generation to generation, disallow the citizens of that country the right to elect their leaders, and brutally crush all peaceful demands for basic human rights. This is what people like Fidel, goyougoodthing, Michael, Matt, Patrick and a few others support.

      Fidel - 2012-03-03 17:10

      Yawn, you seem to be long on polemics today and short on substance.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 17:17

      I suggest you look that word up too. Funny. It has no relation to what I've written.

      nowicki1 - 2012-03-03 18:17

      How many times do I have to tell your tiny little brain I don't support Assad before you get it. I hate Assad as much as I hate Russia, China, the US, the UK, Israel, Iran. They are ALL full of ****, and ALL of them are corrupt, run by bankers and corporations and treat their people as pawns. Got it??

      Fred - 2012-03-03 18:30

      Got it. You're a reactionary person who hates everyone and believes bankers rule the world. How does this relate to the Assad regime, that's been in power for 48 years, hasn't allowed Syrians to vote, and is killing, maiming, detaining and torturing tens of thousands of unarmed civilians?

      Fred - 2012-03-03 18:43

      I share that hate Matt, of the evil in bureaucratic government. But it's not the whole story.

      nowicki1 - 2012-03-03 18:43

      "This is what people like Fidel, goyougoodthing, Michael, Matt, Patrick and a few others support." - That's what my comment was referring to (obviously)

      Fred - 2012-03-03 18:47

      I'm happy we're agreeing Matt/Nowicki. :)

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 21:34

      Fred, I don't support them at all, I am merely saying who is the real agitator and who is really running what. You seem to be confused and lack the capacity to see that whilst I don't support dodgy regimes, I can see who causes all the problems... wake the f up.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 04:12

      No, you're totally confused. You have it upside down. No doubt about that. But carry on of course. Just that your views are whacky, irrelevant. Like a firecracker with a faulty fuse.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 09:31

      You're talking about the Rothschilds (God alone knows why) and you say the peaceful, unarmed civilians of Syria who have been demonstrating with almost unbelievable restraint are provoking the violent dictator Assad.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-04 12:29

      No Fred, I am saying that the CIA and it's cronies are provoking the Evil Lord. Stay on track. It's amusing to see how you get so uptight at views other than yours, views backed by research and facts and yet you don't seem to think it wise to back up your own whining, tunnel-vision view of the world with anything at all. If the Federal Reserve Bank of America does not control what happens in that country then who does. To actually think that elections in the US make any difference is naive beyond reason.

      Fred - 2012-03-04 16:53

      The CIA is provoking "The Evil Lord"? What does that mean?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-04 18:33

      The 'Evil Lord' is a reference to Assad, isn't he an evil lord in your eyes? If he's not an Ashkenazi Jew he is evil, correct?

      Fred - 2012-03-04 20:18

      The Rothschilds, Evil Lords, the CIA is behind the peaceful protestors who have somehow provoked the brutal UNELECTED dictator Assad who has killed thousands of them mainly with sniper fire, and who's written his own draft constitution that will keep him in power another fourteen years, to add to the 12 years he's already been in power, and the 36 years his murdering father was in power. All doesn't make sense and shows you're out of touch.

  • nowicki1 - 2012-03-03 18:33

    "All of the intense shelling is in fact directed at the civilian population". Right... Thanks for clearing that up, now, why would the army be shelling for no apparent reason but to kill civilians? Oh wait, this reporter is not reporting at all, he's talking sh1t.

      Fred - 2012-03-03 18:44

      The point is that the Assad regime is intentionally targeting civilians, which is abhorrent to the freer world, and a marker for human rights abuses. It's a key measuring-stick for government right action.

  • Fred - 2012-03-03 20:06

    Last night's PBS Newshour in which the reporter was interviewed. Click on "Recent Shows". http://www.pbs.org/newshour

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-03 21:38

      Are you also working for the CIA, Fred.

      Anthony - 2012-03-04 00:51

      @Yougoodfornothing, Is that your ex girl friend, in that picture ??

      Fred - 2012-03-04 04:13

      What does PBS have to do with the CIA? It's the public-funded news channel, virtually free of commercial interests, and free of political interference. A very good news source.

  • Craig - 2012-03-07 01:55

    A terrorist in a civilian house - sounds like a military target to me... The same could have been said about Wako, Felluja etc etc. Why is it that there is only ever one story reported? Be careful what you believe let you be duped again - like WMD in Iraq, Bin Laden hiding in Afghanistan etc Politics is a dirty game, dont respond, keep your nose clean and help those you can. :)

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