If needs be, Obama will act in Pakistan again

2011-05-04 22:48

Washington - The White House said on Wednesday that US President Barack Obama reserves the right to act again against top terror suspects inside Pakistan, following the raid which killed Osama bin Laden.

Obama's spokesperson Jay Carney was asked whether the president would be prepared to target fugitives again if they were on Pakistani soil, despite Islamabad's complaints the bin Laden raid was unauthorised and unilateral.

"He made very clear during the campaign that that was his view. He was criticised for it," Carney said.

"He maintained that that was his view and, by the actions he has taken as president, feels that it was the right approach and continues to feel that way," he said.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-senator Obama said that he would order action against bin Laden or other senior al-Qaeda leaders inside Pakistan if the country's leadership "is unable or unwilling to act".

Senator John McCain, the Republican candidate for president, accused Obama of effectively threatening an allied nation and said that if a target came into view, "you work with the Pakistani government".

US officials have said that they gave no prior notice to Pakistan before Sunday's daring raid, in which special forces killed the world's most wanted man at a mansion near the country's top military academy in Abbottabad.

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CIA director Leon Panetta said that the United States chose not to alert Pakistan of the operation on its soil for fear that officials may have alerted the al-Qaeda chief.

Pakistan has been on the defensive since Sunday's attack, with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani saying that the United States and other countries shared the blame for not finding bin Laden sooner.

The United States has an uneasy partnership with Pakistan, which supported Afghanistan's hardline Taliban regime until the September 11 2001 attacks by al-Qaeda.

Pakistan has often voiced anger at US operations against al-Qaeda targets on its soil, particularly strikes with unmanned drones which the government says make a mockery of its sovereignty.

The United States carried out more than 100 drone strikes in Pakistan last year, killing more than 670 people, according to an AFP tally.

  • Dundermoose - 2011-05-05 00:03

    I find it quite amusing how Obama, as an ex-professor in constitutional law, claims to respect the rule of law and value constitutional ideals. On the other hand he is perfectly happy to violate another sovereign state’s territorial rights, and act like a mob boss and off Osama. But I suppose respecting the rule of law and subjecting Osama to a trial risked airing facts like: Osama didn’t plan 11-9, and the USA funded the setting up of Al-Qaeda in the 1980’s. And to top it all off, the scenes of Americans celebrating is only gonna piss the Jihadists off even more. Hell, I’m not a Muslim, but if I was I think I would consider joining the holy war. Congrats America - you just boosted Al-Qaeda recruitment!!

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-05-05 01:39

      Totally agree!! Obama is bacoming more of a Bush every day!

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-05-05 02:22

      @Joe, he was always a Bush. There's an old documentary called The Obama Deception that made predictions which later came true! All American presidents are pre-elected by the oil and arms bosses. Regan was the last authentic president of that country.

      slg - 2011-05-05 02:39

      This was an act of war. Al-Quaeda and the Taliban declared war against the US. The Pakistani government has numerous Al-Quaeda and Taliban officials, who have declared war against the leaders of Pakistan and all non-fundamentalist Pakistanis. This compromises the ability of Pakistan to act against them. By extension therefore, the US was not acting against Pakistan, but against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It was not contravening Pakistani sovereignty, it was acting against Al-Quaeda and the Taliban, and assisting Pakistan. This is why the Pakistani leadership have supported the US action. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban want to end civilization as we know it and dictate how we all (that's you and your family too) live our lives

      english-gal - 2011-05-05 02:52

      Couldn't agree more.

      CygnusX1 - 2011-05-05 06:34

      So Dundermouse, America and for that matter the world should do nothing. If bombs go off and kill innocent people, there must be no response but rather those who committed the atrocities should be "protected" at all costs? Legaly, constitionally the world must consider it's "hands tied" and absolutely no action can be taken? None of you who have found the USA's actions deplorable have actually said what you would have done if you were Bush/Obama faced with the same situation. If Al-Qaeda's recruitment does get a boost, as you claim, and more terror attacks are to happen, I wonder your response would be very diffrent if one of your children, your wife or family members are blown to pieces by Al Qaeda. Or will it?

      Marcell - 2011-05-05 06:46

      How can you feel sorry for the americans? They(their leaders) have created what is coming their way. It is just a question of time.

      Wow! - 2011-05-05 07:20

      As far as I am concerned the USA and it's allies must knock the hell out of al_Quada and the Taliban WHEREEVER they are.

      MactheKnife - 2011-05-05 07:45

      Yes the man I respected behaving more like Bush. This war against the Americans will continue. I cannot see peace between the Americans and Al Qaeda

      Thangy - 2011-05-05 10:47

      @Dundermoose So True! Al-Qaeda along with Osama are a classic PRS (Problem Reaction Solution) tool. They needed a reason to inflate their defense budget and the so-called "War on Terror" is total fiction used to justify their breach of international privacy laws and violation of other sovereign state laws. This is all accomplished by their great media propaganda machines (CNN & Fox News) which have time and again been used to spread lies and deceive the public.

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:36

      I would like to know the andti USA responders on this blog's storey if they had an INNOCENT loved one who was killed by the Al Queda/Bil Laden (spell?). You'd sing a different tune - like why is the USA not eliminating these terrs? Please, correct me if I'm wrong!?

      Dundermoose - 2011-05-05 14:30

      @All you supporters of murder Have any of you read "Animal Farm". Well, in a way, the Americans are acting like the pigs, "All [nations] are equal, but some are more equal than others" – and American lives are the most valuable of all! Does ANY nation have the right to kill someone in cold blood? Is premeditated murder ever acceptable? If the answer is yes, then the rule of law breaks down, and you start asking when is it acceptable. How about now? ... and what about in this situation? In the end you can't justify outlawing murder - cos the very law that outlaws it justifies it. Bottom line, what Obama authorised is a war crime - just as the 11-9 attacks were! Osama wasn't killed for an “honourable” reason like "liberating the oppressed", he was killed to score political points in the US. Sies Obama… sies!!!!

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:04

      All you detractors are a danger to yourselves and your loved ones, and you don't know it. You're detached from reality. You don't know what you're dealing with here, and you're opposing the very people who are working for you and your aspirations. I can only recommend strongly that you get closer to the situation, look more clearly at what we're dealing with here as humanity, and then draw conclusions. If you're awake you'll see that Al-Quaeda and the Taliban want to take away your freedom to choose how you live your lives. They want to stone women who don't do as the men tell them to do. They want to kill anyone who does not follows rules that they set. Just about all Muslims do not agree with them, so this is not against Islam. It's against a band of people who have not evolved into the modern world and want to take us all backwards, and will kill us if we don't do as they say.

  • Henni Apple - 2011-05-05 02:02

    It is amazing how the american think they have a right to bomb and kill people in other countries. Who will control them " carried out more than 100 drone strikes in Pakistan last year, killing more than 670 people". What it if osama was hiding in Johannesburg and the american bomb it? I will be angry because there are many innocent people. To them it is no problem and many times they don't kill the person they claim to be there. It might be the same reason why osama become the person he was.

      slg - 2011-05-05 03:07

      Are you aware that Pakistan is in substantial part occupied by Al-Quaeda and the Taliban, who have declared war on all non-fundamentalist Pakistanis, including the leaders of the country, and have killed thousands of Pakistanis?

      slg - 2011-05-05 03:15

      If Angolan forces attacked the Apartheid government in Pretoria, what would you think then?

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:38

      So turkey - the west must sit back and let these fundamentalist jerks bomb innocent people? What if your INNOCENT loved one is killed in a London tube train. Will you sit back and say that the UK and USA must not respond. Jerk!

  • slg - 2011-05-05 03:12

    No disrespect, but much of the thought-process here among bloggers, if acted upon, would lead to your own demise. It's really important to study what's going on with Al-Quaeda and the Taliban. You're condemning the very people who are working for you, protcting you and your families against a very dangerous opponent who would kill you. Do you understand this?

      Kaapie - 2011-05-05 09:30

      Slg please explain to me how the Americans have made peace for me. Killing Osama doenst mean there will be peace. The Americans supported the Apartheid regime for many years and supported the Unita in Angola and in the proces ruined the economy and people of Angola. The objective in Iraq was water and oil and in Afghanistan supposedly to quell the taliban/muslim extremism. In essence purely to fund the American economy and arms industry. One has to ask the question why the rise of islamic extremism and by the way they ought and beat the russians in afghanistan with the arms of the Americans before that. I think your comment is naive and unfounded.

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:41

      So Kaapie - your son is killed in a London tube train - what you say then - jerk!

  • slg - 2011-05-05 03:33

    If Al-Quaeda and the Taliban gained a strong foot-hold in Mitchell's Plane and started making real inroads into South African government structures and started killing thousands of people with suicide bombs, would you want help from outside countries to weaken them? I hope so.

      Nserver - 2011-05-05 06:51

      Agreed, but surely you would work with the people of that country and not just do what you want on foreign soil. I agree with the outcome, but in no way, should the end justify the means. So what happens to world democracy when one country can just do what it wants?

      USAMAH - 2011-05-05 09:23

      If the US were to enter Mitchells Plain looking for Usama and WMDs, start bombing, raping, pillaging , torturing ,opening another Abu Ghraib , butchering your defenseless , civilian family , friends and relatives with Apaches, B52 bombers, depleted uranium ( which will cause a your babies to be born with severe birth defects and cancers ) and burn and severely maim your children with phospherous and send your father or brother or son to Gitmo Hell , WOULD YOU ACCEPT HELP FROM AL QAEDA TO DEFEND YOURSELF ??? Because that's what the illterate Afghans and Iraqi civilians have had to do .

      Kaapie - 2011-05-05 09:32

      Your argument here is naive.. Question why did Pagad rise in the cape Flats.. as a result of the inability of the state/police to quell the goings on the the grug lords. In many cases supporting the drug lords.

      The huntchback - 2011-05-05 11:48

      slg, you forgot to inform us who created al-Qaeda? Who until recently funded al-Qaeda? Who trained them? The same goes for Saddam Hussein who funded him/ who gave him chemical weapons? Hosni Mubarak who kept him in Power? The corrupt Saudis who is their major ally? If the west stops messing in the politics of the Middle East and if America withdraws all their troops from Muslim Lands al-Qaeda will most definitely seize to exist

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:43

      @Nserver - I hear where you are coming from - I would just like to add that if the USA intellegence had informed the Pakkis about their plans, more than likely the pending assualt (if the 2 had to work together) would have come to naught as the Pakkis CANNOT be trusted to keep a secret. Right or wrong?

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:46

      @Kaapie - the big problem and it is getting worse is that in SA: there is too much of an easy way out where money backhanders are concerned - and we can start with our president. Right!? Now there's a good role model for the backhand mechanic!

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:11

      You are a danger to yourselves and you don't know it. The US did not create Al-Quaeda or the Taliban. These are descendents of tribes of men who have lived in the area for a long, long time, long before the US eve came into existence. They practice a form of religion that is pre-biblical and extremely oppressive. You would have no rights at all other than to do as they say, or you'd be killed and women stoned. Do you understand what you're saying? I hope you don't have to live the outcome of your thoughts to reach the understanding that you're clearly lacking.

  • Charles - 2011-05-05 04:22

    what i know is that USA(Obama) is on the intension of creating peace across the globe. but the action they are taking resembles no peace creation. USA, please maintain your dreams!

      slg - 2011-05-05 04:27

      This presupposes that the US makes the choices for Al-Qaueda and the Taliban. It doesn't. The latter have declared war on the US and all non-fundamentalists the world over.

      Amazonia - 2011-05-05 07:10

      Things are much more complicated that most people know. Obama is a puppet used by the elite banking cartel to further their plan for a New w0rld 0rder. They are behind most things that happens in the world. They sponsor terrorist groups like Al-Quaeda on the one hand and then condemns the group and act against an attack. By this, more of the rights of Americans (for a start) are being taken away to act against terrorism but in actual fact they want to gain more control of every citizen. Go and check how many new laws were enforced since Obama came in office and Mr public has less rights than ever before.

      Kaapie - 2011-05-05 09:33

      Slg Please explain what is a fundamentalist..

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:48

      @Kaapie - don't you possess a dictionary or Thesaurus?

      slg - 2011-05-05 19:29

      Kaapie, they are bands of men who live in a very narrow and oppressive way and want us all to live the way they do. They kill people who don't, and stone women to death when women don't obey the men. It's a barbaric and inhumane way of living, totally out of date with the growth-trend of humanity and human consciousness, which is to be more free and more responsible. They are descendants of men who have been living there and living this way for thousands of years, ling before the US and other more free nations, came into being. They refuse to change and grow, which is their choice, but they have no right to kill us if we don't do as they say. Make no mistake, they are not Muslims, although they call themselves that. They have distorted the Muslim religion to suit their own narrow and violent aims. Just about all Muslims oppose them.

  • Charles - 2011-05-05 04:52

    for USA to leave freely you don't have to pay revange to someone who have troubled you, becouse you don't know whether there is another member of AL-QAEDA who is dangerous and intelligent than the last terrorist Osama.that kind nation(Afghanistan) its easy for them to lay they're lives for what they want. remember it was Osama attacking US, then Sadam. continuing like that, expect the new terrorist clever than before Obama, you place your people under a dangerous zone. by Charles Ramuthaga.

      slg - 2011-05-05 19:21

      Many see it as revenge, including people in the US. It's the popular view. But it's more than that. It's stopping these bands of fanatics who will take your freedoms, and your life, away.

  • - 2011-05-05 05:53

    Rich coming from a Nobel PEACE prize winner and from the same Man who promised ALL American troops would leave Iraq and Afghanistan by June 2009 :(

      slg - 2011-05-05 05:56

      Do you want Al-Quaeda and the Taliban to spread around the world? Is this what you really want?

      brazach - 2011-05-05 06:33

      slg, childish question...

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:53

      Obama was elected to office in November of 2009 and assumed the role of President of the USA in/on about the 20th Jan 2010! What is your point about promises - who exactly did not live up to promises - are you confusing Bush with Obama perhaps?

      slg - 2011-05-05 19:14

      People are in favor of letting AQ and the Taliban do as they please. So it's important to ask the question: do you want these organizations to spread?

  • The Unknown - 2011-05-05 06:35

    Someone please "take this warmongerer out"

      slg - 2011-05-05 07:44


      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:54

      You have made a statement without backing it up - I also want to know how and why?!

      slg - 2011-05-05 19:52

      Taking out means killing. So you're in favor of killing a leader who you perceive o be a danger to humanity. Osama Bin Laden was such a person. It's just your perception that is wrong: Osama not Obama. We got the right person.

  • Malcolm - 2011-05-05 07:15

    The difference between Ronald Regan and Obama is simple. Regan started out as an actor in Hollywood and ended up becoming President. Obama started out as President and has ended up in Hollywood. This latest American Fascade is nothing more than over the top movie.

  • Cheq - 2011-05-05 08:31

    Americans are the real problem....Osama bin Laden, it was never about him or these other's all about the oil and they will continue to dig in until they get it.The world needs to make a stance against the americans and not depleted countries....

      Irené - 2011-05-05 08:47

      Just a shame that people like SLG think the US are saving us from total taliban take over. It seems that the majority of Saffers dont bother researching the true extent of the US own terrorist activities. E CIA is the biggest terror orgaisation in the world. All the people who have justified the killing of an unarmed man, regardless of who he was, shows that leaving the power oveer to the westerners will bring as much devastatkon and terror as the Taliban, they will just have a different word for it. You cant fight fire with fire, yet many many westerners have literally celebrated the death of bin laden. Oetty unevolved if you ask me,

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:56

      Djy praat kak!

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:13

      Irene, you have no idea what you're talking about, none whatsoever. It's all made up fantasy detached from true reality.

      slg - 2011-05-05 20:11

      Cheq, you too. You're not looking deep enough and are arriving at dangerous, self-fettuccine conclusions.

      slg - 2011-05-05 20:12

      Self-fettucine! Funny! That's supposed to be self-destructive.

  • Areufukinser - 2011-05-05 08:51

    "The United States carried out more than 100 drone strikes in Pakistan last year, killing more than 670 people, according to an AFP tally." WTF? Are you f*#king serious??? So Americans have the right to kill who ever they want and what do you have to say to that??? You people make sick, protecting the Americans, these are people that pray to the flag every day of their lives, do you you also pray to their flag or your your own? Wake up you brainwashed people.

      henni5909 - 2011-05-05 09:25

      i have a question, who will stop the americans? they think they have right to do it.

      Mike - 2011-05-05 13:58

      So jerk - the Taliban and Al Queada have the right to take out innocent people - the majority of those killed by drone aircraft where either the enemy or shielding the enemy! At least when the Yanks kill innocnet people by MISTAKE they appologise!

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:45

      The so-called Americans are saving your bacon and you don't know it. Thankfully you're not the decision-maker here or you and your loved ones would be in big trouble.

  • Gorilla - 2011-05-05 09:10

    It's quite ironic that the man who reveived the nobel prize for peace condones going into other countries to kill people who are in opposition to his government. But I can't say I disagree with it.

      Mike - 2011-05-05 14:00

      There are also other people who killed innocent people who have received the NPP. Think about it! They live amongst us right here in the sunny SA.

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:33

      You're being superficial. Look deeper and hopefully you'll see what is really going on.

  • USAMAH - 2011-05-05 09:12

    Here we go again . THe crazy , paranoid Americans just found another reason to devestate , rape , torture and cause misery to the civilian population of another country. When will their thirst for human blood be quenched ? When thev've exterminated everybody who hates them for their foreign policies in the Arab world ???

      El Cid - 2011-05-05 09:52

      Lost your goat lately? Typical response for your kind. Fact is, your a$$es are being kicked for being exactly what you accuse them of being.

      henni5909 - 2011-05-05 10:01

      they will find another. look at their history. they are arrogant and think they have a right to do these things. no wonder they are bankrupt because they spend trillions on war in other countries. a few americans told me, they prefer to make war in other countries then the american population can't be hurt in the process.

      Mike - 2011-05-05 14:02

      @Henni5909 - ag ou Hennie - get a life - jy praat stront!

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:24

      You're also totally ignorant of what is really going on in the real world. Thankfully for you and your loved ones there are leaders closer to the true situation and clearer about the likely outcome were they not to take the actions they are taking. What is more is that the people of the Middle East, people like you and me, see what has been happening, how their freedom has been taken away, and they are taking to the streets and overthrowing these oppressive leaders. Al-Quaeda and the Taliban are going to be the big losers as they are of the same ilk. They are from the biblical past. The death of Bin Laden is reflective of this change for the better.m

  • henni5909 - 2011-05-05 09:20

    it is amazing how everyone belief what the amricans say. they are great with marketing, and they sell the world any BS and the world accept it as the truth. boys and girls think for your self, why are they are there for the oil. when someone attach them then those people are terrorists but they can go into any country and bomb them and the people of that country should not retaliate because then they are the pig in the fairy tale. can anyone tell me who started the killings. americans are not their because of the human factor, they their for financial reasons. i know a number of americans and they all arrogant and think they are better than anyone on this planet.

      Charles - 2011-05-05 10:04

      @ henni main fact you've said" americans are not there because of the human factor, they therefore financial reasons ". finance does bring wealthy living but not healthy living. even US cititzens are always affraid of being bombed by terrorist, they don't when is that going to happen, since before Osama he didn't propose the fight. USA YOU ARE WEALTHY. KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE, DON'T ADD IT BY BEING RUDE TO OTHER NATIONS.

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:27

      You're both being silly

  • JohannV - 2011-05-05 09:28

    Blah blah blah "Obama this, Obama that..." It's NOT Obama, it's the USA. Obama is NOT the USA, he's just doing a job. Obama didn't kill Bin Laden, the US Navy Seals did. Seems like they're shoving another election result down our throats?

      Charles - 2011-05-05 09:50

      Obama the US controller, US does his will. we can't blame troop on the murder, but we lay charge on US head.

  • henni5909 - 2011-05-05 10:32

    The September 11 attacks, nearly 3,000 victims and the 19 hijackers died in the attacks. The Iraq War Logs released by WikiLeaks on 22 October 2010, contain 54,910 records compiled by the United States military whose numerical fields register 109,032 violent deaths between January 2004 and December 2009. These casualty records contain four categories of casualties, ‘Civilian’ (66,081 deaths), ‘Host Nation’ (15,196 deaths),‘Enemy’ (23,984 deaths), and ‘Friendly’ (3,771 deaths). Who is in the wrong?

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:32

      Hennie, you're not looking deep enough. Just about all those deaths in Iraq were from car bombs by Al-Quaeda and the Taliban.

  • brown_bread - 2011-05-05 13:26

    Its actually unbelievable that in 2011 a country can go to another country and shoot and kill people. Very barbaric

      Mike - 2011-05-05 14:04

      You'll sing a different tune if your dasugther or son or both were killed by the terrs in a London tube or anywhere else for that matter. - 2011-05-05 14:58

      @mike,Behind you,I cannot believe some of these pathetic posts.

  • rabkey - 2011-05-05 15:51

    Love the way how Mike and SLR ask if you would react different if it was your child on the Tube. What about if it was your child going to the market in Afghanistan and being gunned down by US soldiers.

      slg - 2011-05-05 18:30

      That only happens as a mistake. The freer world takes extraordinary precautions to avoid civilian harm. And when it happens they are deeply remorseful. You too don't know what you're talking about. You're being dangerously ignorant.

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