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I'm not responsible: Qur'an-burning pastor

2011-04-02 10:03

Gainesville - An evangelical pastor whose church burned a Qur'an last month said he was "devastated" but did not feel responsible for the killings on Friday of seven UN workers in a violent protest in Afghanistan.

"We are devastated by that information, that news," Terry Jones, the head of the Dove World Outreach Centre in Gainesville, told AFP. "We don't feel responsible for that."

The United Nations said four Nepalese guards, three foreign UN workers, and several protesters were killed when a mob enraged by the Qur’an burning attacked the UN compound in the Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

Jones presided over the burning of the Islamic holy book on March 20 at his Florida church, an act he had long threatened despite warnings it would put American troops and others in Afghanistan in danger.

"The radical element of Islam takes that as an excuse to promote their violent activities," Jones said on Friday. "What we would like to see is the United States government standing up, the UN standing up.

"It's time to stop ignoring the violence going on in Muslim countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan," he said.

Jones said the killings "won't change anything we're doing" but added that there's no plan to burn another Qur’an.

"We have, right now, no plans, no," he told AFP when asked if he will burn another Qur’an.

"It is not part of our agenda to go around the country burning Qur’ans."

The church's website encourages visitors to donate money and offers for sale coffee mugs, T-shirts and caps - all featuring anti-Islam slogans.

The website also rails against homosexuality and abortion.

Comments
  • Robbie - 2011-04-02 10:18

    But we should remember it is not for us to judge...

      Mikey777 - 2011-04-02 10:52

      I agree, if Christians and Muslims followed their religions the way it should be practised, we would have no problems. It is when people start judging others and imposing themselves on other people that problems occur. Remember at the end of the day there can only be one God ( that is if you believe in God).

      isabelm - 2011-04-02 10:52

      @ lacoste the implication is not that those who believe are not sinners. we are all sinners, even if we believe. it is about the way the world gets reconciled with God. and for most religions it is about making your way back to God. Christianity is the only one where that way is made back by God to us. it's not for me to convince you as it is not about religion but relationship.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 11:19

      Mikey777, wrong, if they practised what they believed there would be one hell of a holy war, a Jihad of note, or new Crusades, because both of their doctrines support mass slaughter of the other side. It is time for some kind of re-write of the doctrines!

  • Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-04-02 10:47

    Jones is an idiot and a religious fanatic and a posterchild against organised religion. Having said that, the animals that killed those people in Afghanistan are no better. The idiots there also killed other muslims just to make a point.... It all proves that organised religion is a dangerous force in this world that should be outlawed. You can have your believes but not your churches, mosques, temples and religious leaders anymore, because obviously it creates a danger for those who are not in your particular block of faith.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 11:22

      interesting point but not practically practiseable. Bot saying your view is wrong, just the realities are not enforceable, but religious leaders should definitely be held more accountable for their actions, a guy burning a Qur'an should be jailed, a person practising and inciting hate should be jailed, its time the world catered for peace.And stopped being so accepting of religious bigotry

  • jowza - 2011-04-02 10:51

    I cant see the point of this discussion.Both the so called pastor and the nutters from afgan use religion to fulfill their twisted ideolegies. over the centuries religion was used by dubious leaders to mislead the masses.Hitler and apartheid is a casing point

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 11:24

      spot on. How dumb are the populace to keep falling for the same crap?

      multicon - 2011-04-02 11:56

      I fail to see how you can compare Apartheid and Hitler. Hitler committed genocide, Apartheid denied rights, did not commit genocide, in fact the old Apartheid government looked after the Black people more so than the current regime.

      nuclear - 2011-04-04 10:49

      Yes Multicon, Blacks were better off during Apartheid. If you keep saying it over & over, maybe they'll start agreeing with your idiocy! This is a religious article.

      vis vang - 2011-10-08 06:39

      multicon, you are a multi nut. You looked after me better than the present govt. You must be delusional, insane, mentally challenged ............

  • ExpatRSA - 2011-04-02 10:56

    I wonder if any of these people were ever in Pakistan? Maybe I am working in a "different" Pakistan than the one Terry Jones is referring to? By the way, I am not a Muslin! Expat.

      kevs - 2011-04-03 12:59

      Have u ever tried to reason with the Pakistani's concerning religion?? And I just mean to test people's tolerance for another religion ??

  • The huntchback - 2011-04-02 10:57

    What did this pastor achieve by burning the Quran, does he think it will slow down the fastest growing religion on earth, with all the Bad publicity Islam receives now a days, it is still the fastest growing religion in the world.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 11:25

      just another indicator that supports my theory that the world is full of very stupid people

      multicon - 2011-04-02 12:32

      It is not the fastest growing religion by conversion, it is because of uncontrolled breeding. I saw one Muslim man on Aljazeera complaining about how the war has displaced him. He has three wifes and 19 children.

      multicon - 2011-04-02 12:32

      roboman1, yes its true, the biggest threat to humans and the planet is stupid people.

      The huntchback - 2011-04-03 16:35

      @roboman1 have you ever stopped to think? you might be one of the very stupid people that fills the world! @multicon Islam is still the fastest growing when taking conversions to the faith in consideration.

  • isabelm - 2011-04-02 10:57

    Terry Jones does have blood on his hands. Why he needed to burn the Q'uaran, besides for a bit of an ego trip - he couldn't just do it, but had to let the media know, is beyond my understanding. And if you have been repeatedly warned that there will be violence and still go ahead, you are guitly when that violence happens. I wonder which Bible he reads, because mine speaks about God being love, forgiving people 70 X 7 times - ongoing forgiveness and turning the other cheek. It is people like Terry that professes so-called Christianity that makes the rest of the world think we are all mad fanatics. What he professes has got nothing to do with what Jesus came to fulfill. It nauseates me to see that he is a pastor. But in the words of Maximus (Gladiator): "What we do in this world, resounds in eternity." Terry will have a lot to answer for.

      ASDEB - 2011-04-02 11:16

      I fully agree with you Isabelm.

      Mr Hobbit - 2011-04-02 11:23

      Quite right isabelm, there are consequences to every action. Terry Jones is a sensation seeking idiot, he knew full well what the reaction would be - and this is only the start of the retaliation. Just as normal Muslims condemned 9/11, Christians around the world must be loud in their condemnation of terry Jones' actions. Such intolerance of another's religion is blasphemous in itself. God help us.

      Bemused - 2011-04-02 12:31

      Terry Jones would have made a meaningful statement if he had flown to Afghanistan and did his media act. Oh, I forgot - he might have died as a result....coward!

      HarveyandKathyWard - 2011-04-02 14:02

      If the media hadnt reported it, no one would have ever heard about it so I hold the media responsible for "shouting fire in a crowded theatre " and not taking responsibility for the outcome. If its not reported who cares?

  • jowza - 2011-04-02 10:57

    @ lee.do not take verses and use them to strenthen your point.You obviously taking selected verses and not giving the whole story

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 11:27

      In fairness to Lee, he quoted both sides of the story, and quite factually, just because you do not "like" the information clinically and factually provided, does not assist your subjective and unsupported view JOWZA

      Lee - 2011-04-02 12:31

      Jowza which verses am I taking out of context? Or am I taking both religion’s verses out of context according to YOU?

  • abracadaver - 2011-04-02 10:59

    www.skepticsannotatedbible.com ..... full of brilliant insight into the Koran and bible, the one is a bit worse than the other, i just can't make up my mind which one is worse

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 08:44

      this is probably another bunch of non-believers/atheists trying to dscredit religion but as long as this earth is in existence they will never be successful

  • FalseGods - 2011-04-02 11:07

    Jones is a fool, but he did not kill anyone. A group of people decided to retaliate against what he did, and they killed people. I really don't understand the comments here, when on earth did burning a book equate to murder?

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-04-02 11:45

      Must say i agree with you... I do think Terry Jones is a moron and pathetic excuse for a human being and he should be arrested for hate speech and in the times we're living in that should carry a harsher sentence, especially if you are a religious/political/community leader. BUT the people who committed these murders did so on their own accord.

      nuclear - 2011-04-04 10:54

      Okay, FalseGods . . In Rwanda the genocide was fuelled & began after a radio DJ inflamed the Hutus against the Tsotsis. Even if he didn't kill a single person in that genocide can you really say that speaking on radio does not equate to murder?

      Noname - 2011-04-04 12:37

      Sure you right, Hitler was fool , but he didn't kill personally anyone as well.

  • Carl Muller - 2011-04-02 11:09

    So little respect for that which people are prepared to die for. You are 100 % responsible for this.

      Dominic Przybylski - 2011-04-02 11:24

      Prepared to die for or to kill for? Be sane. What would a normal person think of a society (not a few fanatics - there were thousands of them) which would kill entirely innocent people (who are there only to help them) because of the burning of a book by a whacko thousands of miles away?

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 12:24

      Kill Jones if they want to kill, do not go and kill UN people who are totally unrelated and not connected to the Jones mind set! Are you sane Carl Muller?

  • Philip Steel - 2011-04-02 11:11

    Bloody idiot should be charged for manslaughter!

  • ASDEB - 2011-04-02 11:15

    @ Terry Jones. What do you mean you don't accept responsibility? Would those killings have happened if you didn't burn the Koran? How would you feel if an Islamic religous fanatic burnt the Bible? You are a bombastic moron that has no tolerance of others, and have no place on earth. Now crawl back into your backwater hovel and hide from all the criticsm!

  • JustinD - 2011-04-02 11:27

    If my child had to die due to something like this i would kill that man with my bare hands.....very slowly!!! What a dickhead.

  • Umfubi - 2011-04-02 11:49

    Of course it is greatly comforting that Terry Jones feels no guilt, responsibility or remorse. I take it he would therefore have no objection to attending the funeral services of the victims, to offer solace to their families? I'm sure they would just love to hear from him.

      Cire - 2011-04-04 11:16

      Actually, they would butcher him.

  • multicon - 2011-04-02 11:51

    Ban all religion

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 12:26

      No, educate all people beyond the trappings of religion, teach people to comprehend and be more empatheitc to each others views etc etc. Banning religion will just further exacerbate the problem

      multicon - 2011-04-02 12:29

      You're right roboman1, but somehow I feel many are beyond educating. Only way to control them is by force.

  • Joy - 2011-04-02 11:52

    I think it is disgusting that Terry Jones burnt a Quran but just as disgusted that a Muslim in England and living in England, burned a Poppy Wreath that was laid down to honour the British soldiers who died in past and present wars. All he got was a £50 fine that the government pays anyway as he is claiming benefits and he just laughed in Court.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-02 12:06

    Yes you bloody are you arrogant sic hillbilly. You should be locked up for inciting violence.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-02 12:29

      100% correct

  • BrassCojones - 2011-04-02 12:40

    Terry Jones, an attention seeking American moron is as guilty as the people who committed the murders. I kind of wish that the Hell he believes in actually existed - he'd surely be destined for it.

  • ExleOnSaneSt - 2011-04-02 12:44

    Typical behaviour and response by religious morons on both sides. Religion has no place in a modern, secular civilised society. People who follow a religion should be ridiculed because it proves they are irrational/delusional individuals who "believe in the unbelievable."

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 08:48

      may u burn in hell,heathen

  • Gavin - 2011-04-02 12:59

    Burning books is the domain of dogmatic madmen. Shame on him. Whatever church he is part of should wash their hands of him. I am so happy I do not believe in any of your "gods". If it makes you all hate so much it cannot be a good thing to be "religious".

      Valkery - 2011-04-02 13:09

      Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

  • raymond.pillay - 2011-04-02 13:12

    No religious holy books teaches anti humane behavior, in fact all holy books teaches us to be righteous and to rise above the mundane. It is people, that hide behind these holy books that are the real evil of the world. Terrorist use the Qua-ran as gods inspiration to wage war against man. The Qua-ran never prophesizes there is a right to take another's life nor does any other religion - its the evil beings that manipulate the holy books in support of their unrightly cause. Terry Jones in my opinion has the mentality of a terrorist and he should be held responsible for inciting violence and the death of innocent people. His holy book is no different from the Quaran and the burning of the Qua- ran is symbolic of the presence of evil in his heart and soul. Just as the terrorist hide behind the Qua-ran so do a lot of self righteous Christians behind the Bible. We have seen that in the USA during the KKK era and we have seen that here in South Africa during the NKK era. When the world is in so much of turmoil and instability, we need every action of man to promote goodwill amongst each of us. Lets face it, in the greater scheme of things we as human beings are really insignificant and that our stay on the planet is so, so very limited - just be good and spread the goodwill.

  • The Odd One Too - 2011-04-02 13:24

    Next time burn a f-ing raghead instead. The world is full of pussies in power. Time for change is now.

      Valkery - 2011-04-02 23:04

      So you want to force religion by means of physical power. Do I undestand correctly?

      nuclear - 2011-04-04 10:57

      @ The Odd One Too - Jone's would be very interested in recruiting you!

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 12:07

      the only one that should be burned is that freak pastor

      ohsa.online - 2011-04-05 10:19

      +1!!

      ohsa.online - 2011-04-05 10:20

      @TOOT: +1, brother!!

  • peace - 2011-04-02 13:34

    Yeah its a shame what happnd in the US and another shame fr the violence in Afghanistan. the religion of the jews, christians & muslims are the same religion. its a continuation of one another, not a different religion and most common belief is that of peace & love. some may argue that this religion allows kiling, if u read the texts correctly and the authentic ones u will note its always as a last resort or in defence, but never as a means to deliberately destroy. because even on here its very blatant that people will try anything to attack the religion of God. Pure evil? ignorance? who knows what their motives r but u can see from some of the comments that the intent is purely to discredit religion, yet religion has been sent to mankind as a blessing and a mercy for those who can comprehend.

      Valkery - 2011-04-02 23:07

      I beg to differ. Religion has been responsible for many atrocities against humankind. The Spanish Inquisition. 9/11. etc

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 14:15

      Comprehend what? And the poor fools who cannot? What transpired here is simple. One deluded idiot attacked another lot's "holy" symbol. The other lot retaliated against innocent people. The first one is an odious little christian bigot, but he is not guilty of wanton murder. The second lot are odious muslim bigots and ARE INDEED guilty of murder. What is there not to discredit? Is there anything at all to be said for anybody (apart from the slain innocents) in this sorry saga of religious bigotry and violence?

  • Hayden - 2011-04-02 13:42

    "Shame on so many churches who have turned religion into commercial enterprises, where "faith" is exploited for profit." Indeed. I hate it just as much as you, and do not support it in any way. I also know that, while I have not done that, I have the capacity to; and have done things that are just as bad. Have I lied? Yes. Have I ever brought anyone down? I'm not proud of it, but yes. "Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things." I cannot judge them. I can say that i don't support it and do something to help stop it; but i cannot judge them saying that I am better than them. I am not. But by God's grace to someone as undeserving as me, I can try and change the areas I do fall in; as they hopefully will too. "Shame on those hypocrites who go to church on Sunday, and debauch on every other day of the week." I hate that too. But you know what? I'm one of them. I profess God as my Saviour, and try my utmost to live for Him, but I am imperfect and do not get it right all the time. Again His grace comes in and saves me. One of our biggest problems as people, I think, is that when faith comes in and someone is saved, we expect radical 180 degree change. Sure that happens in some areas of our lives, but others are things we work on with God's help day by day. We as believers are just as imperfect as everyone else.

      Frank - 2011-04-02 15:15

      I agree fully. Even if I miss the make because that is what sinning is. I am still on target. Sin is a problem for all men and woman alike. But the difference comes when we acknowledge that we miss it and turn to Jesus for Salvation and forgiveness. I than God for Jesus because i am in no way perfect. I know I need a savior.

  • Deset Rat - 2011-04-02 14:08

    Blimey, what warped minds some Afgans have, to kill people they don't even know for no other reason that someone in the USA burned Qur'ans which is simply paper and printing ink. Hope the Afgan army capture them and put them in front of a firing aquad. Now that makes more sense, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!

  • MK007 - 2011-04-02 14:46

    how can someone who is head of a church and says he know Jesus do something like this,

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 14:18

      Easily. He took his example from Moses who violated and destroyed other people's religious symbols.

  • horst.o.muller - 2011-04-02 16:06

    They are idiots, the whole lot of them, on both sides of the story.

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-04-02 17:17

    Allah is the only God and Muhammad is the only messenger of God. Quote Taken directly from the Muslim Channel.

      Valkery - 2011-04-02 23:09

      Does that make it the truth cast in stone?

      kevs - 2011-04-03 10:13

      "God has only one name and it is NOT God or Lord or Allah or any other. He's name is "YHWH" or "Yahweh" and it always was will always be and will never change. John 4:22 - You know not what you worship, we know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews. Peace and Love...

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 14:53

      Owl, so what? kevs, so what?

      ohsa.online - 2011-04-05 10:23

      Proves a point as to just how tolerant these P!$$LAMISTS are, not so?

  • Orosman - 2011-04-02 18:14

    A book printed by people on earth is but just paper with words on it. So if some twit wants to burn paper let him. If the moslem fraternity does not like that then go and burn a bible. It is just paper and many more can be printed. when one ignores religious fanatics then the little stupid things they do means zip.it is the news papers that blow that silly kind of news that dopes the most harm

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 14:52

      I cannot agree wholly, Orosman. The trouble is that we cannot ignore fanatics and the stupid little things they do. Think about it a bit. I can also not agree with blaming the press. If it were not for the press, we would all wallow in ignorance. As an example, we would not know about FGM or the burning of children as "witches." What is better - knowing about their madness so that one can guard against it, or ignorance? The trouble is the reaction to the news - whether it comes from the press or whether one happens to hear/see it for oneself. Would you rather have people insulated against anything that may offend them? If Mr Idiot burns his book on the street corner and others see it, the press have no blame for the ensuing violence.

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 15:11

      Oros By the way: The press did not make a big deal of this. 5 Days after the burning, President Karzai himself made it his business to inform his people and is now agitating for the arrest of Jones. Now, Jones should be shunned for the vile piece of excretum he is - but arrest him for what? Just for general information: The rioters also took it upon themselves to attack a girls' school - a school ffs! For girls! Run by the UN! Logical, ne? (Or just a pretext for violently opposing education for girls?) The religion of peace strikes again.

      farzanae - 2011-04-05 16:00

      Dear Orosman,unfortunately to a muslim the Holy Quran is not seen as just paper. The respect we show to the Quran is of its highest. Reprints are not done by just anyone you see as the text has not and can never be changed since its birth. Unlike the Bible there are no "New Edition" of the Quran as we Muslims don't see it fit to change God's word. I hope you can understand why the burning of the Quran was made into such a big issue (which I am sure Terry Jones is fully aware of). My heart yearns for the unnecessary loss of lives through anger. My response is sent to you with no resent.

  • Stollie - 2011-04-02 19:31

    @Hayden WHAT???? are you crazy? Women can't be priests, women have to be obedient. Women have been oppressed by men relentlessly in living memory, ESPECIALLY the bloody christians. You want to quote scripture? Here we go: Ephesians 5:23 says "the man is the head of the woman, just as Christ also is the head of the church. . . . [J]ust as the church is subject to Christ, so must women be to their husbands in everything." Other Bible verses also promote invidious sexism. Paul teaches at I Timothy 2:11-15: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. . . . Yet woman will be saved through bearing children. . . ." Additionally, Peter 3:1-6 exhorts wives to "be submissive to your husbands" and have "a gentle and quiet spirit." It also states they should behave toward their husbands "as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord." And Titus 2:5 directs that women should be "keepers at home." "With such biblical doctrines being taken seriously for centuries, it's no wonder that women were excluded from many occupations, professions, and positions of leadership until recent times. The modern changes occurred only because society became less Christian and more secular." Please stop being a buffoon and read the following http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl.htm. Your religion is one of the most evil, murderous institutions ever created by MAN.

      Nico - 2011-04-03 09:33

      Stollie, your ignorance is astounding. There are rules in the Bible that are culture and time oriented. The part about Eph 5:23 "...just as Christ is also the head of the church..." should have been a clue for you. Christ suffiently loves his church that He laid down his life for her. But, that part you conveniently left out. Christians have never been bloodthirsty, murderous or violent at all as you falsely accuse them of being. If someone commits a murder, or oppresses others in the name of Christianity, why do you yell that it's Christians that are violent and murderous while the Bible tells you clearly that people who practice those things are evil and wicked people, not from God? You conveniently left that out, too. If you want to find out what a Christian should and shouldn't do, look in the Bible. Same with a Muslim, check the Quran. Same with a Roman Catholic, check the Bible and then superimpose the Magisterium and their Church Tradition over it. You may recall that it was the early Roman Church who killed its dissidents. It's forbidden in the Bible. The same with folks who believe they have to defend God, or be God's warriors with violence. They are not Christians, a fact which is in plain sight for you to see. But, you prefer to either lie about Christians or speak in ignorance. Shame on you.

      CTScientist - 2011-04-03 12:34

      @ Nico: You said, "Christians have never been bloodthirsty, murderous or violent at all..." You've clearly never heard of the persecution of scientists prior to the Enlightenment? Or the multiple crusades headed by Christian god-fearing Kings under the blessings of a wide range of Catholic Popes? What about the Inquisition and the banner of suspicion and murder that raged through Europe? Witches didn't stand much of a chance, I've heard. Let us not forget the current homophobia that Christians so adeptly wield to deny basic human rights to thousands of free moral agents in the world. You, lad, are either blind or ignorant to be unaware of this history. It wasn't called the Dark Ages (when the Pope ruled Europe) for nothing. The light of reason was kept from burning for a long time due to mysticism and superstition.

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 14:01

      Nico "There are rules in the Bible that are culture and time oriented." Oh. I thought the bible was "eternal." "Christ suffiently loves his church that He laid down his life for her." But only for 3 days. He did not die at all, did he? "Christians have never been bloodthirsty, murderous or violent at all as you falsely accuse them of being." O dear. Remember Torquemada? Even Luther and Calvin were no little lambs, were they? "while the Bible tells you clearly that people who practice those things are evil and wicked people ..." But is is a matter of joy to kill your enemy's baby children as the Psalmist warbles? "If you want to find out what a Christian should and shouldn't do, look in the Bible. Same with a Muslim, check the Quran. Same with a Roman Catholic ..." Oh, I did. I did. Did you? Do you still kill gays as the bible instructs? "... and then superimpose the Magisterium and their Church Tradition over it." So what authority does the Magisterium and Traditions have? "You may recall that it was the early Roman Church who killed its dissidents." I recall that Moses had dissidents killed - 30 000 of them in one day. That was a bit before the early roman church. "The same with folks who believe they have to defend God, or be God's warriors with violence. They are not Christians ..." Really? "But, you prefer to either lie about Christians or speak in ignorance." Who is the liar, Nico? Or, possibly, have you not read your bible and are simply ignorant?

      Stollie - 2011-04-04 05:49

      @Nico YOU are the ignorant one. How much do you really know about the church you follow? Or the god you worship? You know only what your church wants you to know, which is nothing. The church only rules the ignorant, those who do not seek to rule themselves. The church murdered scientists such as Giordano Bruno for believing that the Earth is not the center of the universe, or that the Earth is not flat. This is the god you worship? One that wanted and still wants you to be ignorant? Have you ever heard of the Roman and the Spanish inquisition? So you worship the very same god those morons did? You, old ballie, are stuck in the same dark ages. I do not lie about Christians, I speak of what I see, and what I see is a bunch of violent, backward, hillbilly hicks all over the world who bash bibles in others faces, or murder those who insult them (Muslims) and who kill in the name of their god... which is the same god. You are all incredibly bigoted when it comes to those who do not follow your faith... even though your god apparently preaches tolerance and blah blah blah. The world would be a much better place if religion died.

  • Nico - 2011-04-03 09:21

    Oh, and I don't approve of burning the Quran or any book others hold dear for whatever reason. It's just common decency.

  • kevs - 2011-04-03 12:56

    I think this is more than just a religious thing. This has a psychological edge to it. Jerry, to my analysis is a hurt person. He has been done in by Muslims somehow are another. The only way a true christian can do tis is when he has build up so much hatred towards these people, for something they have done, [And I don't know what???]. The only way to do most damage is to hit their CORE. I feel for this man cause I think he is not acting himself. He is acting out of anger, resentment, and actually feels like dying. Caue people let's be real here. Muslims GO AFTER THOSE WHO DOES THINGS LIKE THIS. That is in their religion, their Quran. It is allowed for them to do this.

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-03 15:12

      Spare us the amateur psychology!

      kevs - 2011-04-03 22:03

      @Spoedvark - I understand your nickname, you don't think B4 write or speak..

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 07:14

      Ad hominem. The last resort of the ignorant.

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 08:53

      u are an ignorant troll that has never read any of these holy books and all your comments are from what u heard from friends around the campfire

  • Zabz - 2011-04-04 08:06

    There are quite unfortunately some religious people of all faiths and beliefs that believe many thing of which the main one is, we must not judge. How is it possible then anyone could make such a judgmental actions such as burning the Qu-ran or any other material from any religion. Just as we as Christians believe and feel we can prove and live by our religion, so do the other religions feel the same. In each of our minds we all think we are doing the right thing and it is sad that are a handful of Christians who play God and Judge others, am I wrong or is it not our job role to be an example to others. It is with great regret as a someone who is Christian and a firm believer in God that there are people out there doing the actions they are and quite simply wrecking religions of any sort. And, as Christians the Bible says to us we must follow the laws of your country and therefore we must support it. If it so happens that people are killed or take what literally what a Qu-Ran parable says then they must be judged by the law of the country, not to be in the midts of an uprising caused by over zealous religious individuals who play God. In closing I quite simply cant imagine Jesus burning literature and selling "anti" slogan products online. For everyone out there this is very unfortunate and it saddens me.

  • Aelf - 2011-04-04 08:07

    One way to get a little more peace in the middle east would be to evacuate Jerusalem and drop a nuke on it.

  • Faahim - 2011-04-04 08:20

    @Terry, Ever thought that all religions, especially organized religion is the main cause of WAR, its amazing how the bible preaches forgiveness and understanding and yet you preach HATE and that go's for Islam as well with regards to preaching JIHAD(Holy War) "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"- Jesus Christ Regards Happy Athiest

      dracqlore - 2011-04-04 08:40

      Agreed, Christ's message was not about war or hate but love, love and more love and Your qoute of his prayer is exactly that. They know not what they do. I love God with all of my heart and I have never had any message coming from Him or the bible that I should burn or hurt or kill anyone in fact the message is clear. Love your neighbour, care for the poor, the widow and the foreigner.

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-04 08:57

      Unfortunately dracqlore, the message is of christianity is not a singular one. It also comes with the command to spread the gospel and speaks down on those who do not believe. Therein it has laid the basis for all religious injustice, persecution and war.

      dracqlore - 2011-04-04 09:34

      @AntiThesis - I am not in a position to Judge those that do not accept the Gospel but the difference between the different beliefs is easy to see every other belief other than being a Christ follower is inward looking, Be the best I can be, I'm good, I can be better and like selfhelp books is baseless. Jesus Christ's example is to help others and then help them some more here is a video that you can watch about what the true Gospel is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i8vsMPFm78 Also to those doubters about Christ's exsistance there is more than enough non-biblical litreature and historical accounts that verify's his exsistance. To the gentleman that said Jesus was not dead. There was enough proof about him being dead, hanging on a cross for 6 hours sufficates you and a spear into the rib cage would have oierced his lungs and probably his heart, water flowing from the wound is a sure indication of death. Why is Jesus true its simple really; The 11 remaining disciples seeing their teacher on the cross was scared, confused they even denounced him. Three days later something amazing happened those same cowards compleltely changed. For 40 years no amount of persecusion or bribery could change their tune not one of the 11. So what happened? People are prepared to die for a false truth but all 11? There is more that happened than meets the eye. As a follower of Christ I pray everyday for everyone including people I might call enemies.

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-04 09:55

      @dracqlore, if you can't see how arrogant and supremacist your statements is then there is no use debating with you. You are stating that all other religions except yours are wrong. Every other religion on this planet claims exactly the same thing, and they truly believe it - like you. Surely you can see the problem here? Please list some of the non-biblical proof and historical accounts you refer to as proof of Jesus’ existence - because I am not aware of any. And please no subjective revelations or mystical accounts please - those are not evidence. Maybe you should stop wasting your time crawling around on your knees and start making a real difference in this world through actions.

      dracqlore - 2011-04-04 11:55

      @AntiThesis - as requested, Again I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone God gave us a wonderful thing it's called choice if we did not have a choice God would not be Righteous. http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-04 12:07

      dracqlore, is that really the best you can come up with? Do some objective research about the so called greco-roman historians mentioning christ or chrestus and the credibility of these historians and the religious scribes. Contrary to popular belief the talmud reference to yesu also does not refer to jesus of nazareth: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html You have to learn to not just believe the first thing you read(I know you have been taught this from a young age)

      dracqlore - 2011-04-04 12:45

      @AntiThesis - Of course it's not the best, I'm not trying to convince you to look for your maker, it's clear though that your soul is hungering for the truth otherwise you're responses would not have been so emotional it's like you know there is a God but your own god cetredness prevents you from seeing so. May I suggest you do as God commands? Seek me and you shall find the truth try it.... I was just like you once. I cursed God, I denounced him, I was in cotrol! Then He showed me his love and what he does for me and I can not denouce him or his exsistance because I experienced it myself. Maybe just maybe it is as simple as it is we are created and we have a Creator. We love complicating things, check your heart and know no matter what God loves you and he's waiting for you to talk to HIM.

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-04 13:12

      So now you switch from the nonsensical to the evangelical. Emotional responses? you must be joking. The idea of duality or a god concept for me is, to put it bluntly, absurd. Your perception might be that every one serve some god and non-theistic people serve themselves or see themselves as god - but frankly your perception does not seem to be very accurate. The love of your god seems to be extremely subjective and one-sided, it seems that there is billions of people on this planet that he does not love, but you don't care about that, you simple percieve some kind of prosperity as god's love

      dracqlore - 2011-04-04 14:33

      @AntiThesis - Yup I was right, you're searching.... I show Gods love to the people around me with the love I have for them, EVERYONE I might add. I did not find God through the prospeiry but through suffering. Man brought these these on himself, In anycase I don't have the answers to why things are bad Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad ones. Lastly; God bless you!

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-04 14:44

      @dracqlore: "Man brought these these on himself" No we did not. Religions have taken great care to instill this concept in the human psyche. According to your mythical dogma we are simply caught between a fight between heaven and hell, which has got nothing to do with us really - but we all have to pay with eternal death but for the redemption provided by the same antagonists that caused the problem in the first place??? And you call this a fair and just god? And now you say that god is dependent on people to let his love shine through? No wonder you are a confused lot.

  • kreno - 2011-04-04 08:45

    Go to your kitchen, choose any product look at the reverse of the product and you will be surprised at what you see labelled there - Halaal (logo) S.A.N.H.A. Western society is predominantly Christian. True belief as a Born Again Believer is to turn your cheek when struck, to pray for your enemies. As people of any race you have the right to believe whatever you choose. God gave you a brain. It says in the Word that God longs for any man to come to him, there’s only one way - Christ Jesus. We allow Muslims to label our products to make it convenient for them. I wonder how many products in Muslim countries would allow a Christ symbol to be put onto their products to help there Christian community. However inciting violence is not what Christ taught. He loved and cried for them to come to Him, but if they choose not to, He left them to their own choices. We must do the same. Pray for the Muslim that he may see the truth and be set free. Inciting Violence is not the way!!! PS: I posted this comment yesterday and it was removed for some reason !!!

      slojam - 2011-04-04 11:04

      kreno, the manufacturers of these products are not forced into placing the Halaal logo on their products but they are the suckers for big business. They know that by not being Halaal certified they are losing out on a huge chuck of profit. Fact! Islam is the fastest growing religion and by the year 2015 will be the biggest religion and by not sitting up and taking notice, even the big food companies know they will lose out. I do not condone killing of innocent people but was it really necessary for that twat to go out and burn the Quraan knowing that it is very sacred for all Muslims? It makes me really wonder what Pastors preach!

      Lanfear - 2011-04-04 11:25

      Ag nonsense! Almost every single product in my house is NOT halaal. Most stuff says "made in China" though... lol Christians don't have certain eating prohibitions [although actually you do but you don't follow them]. And there are plenty of evidence for violence in the bible, both OT and NT. Besides, you born-agains seem to forget that according to your own scripture, Jesus is the son and God the father, so thus the old God from the OT in fact supercedes JC from the NT. But no matter...

  • buzz - 2011-04-04 09:26

    Humans are crazy - if you add up all the deaths caused by religion, they outnumber all the other deaths on the planet, yet the fools still follow! Dumbasses...

  • Pierre - 2011-04-04 09:37

    There is no god, and there is no such thing as a holy book. Intuitively we all know this, but many of us are brainwashed from a very young age to accept that which we know not to be true. Outlaw the brainwashing of young kids, and religion wil disappear in a generation or two. "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves shall free our minds".

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 10:21

      u are in denial Pierre,and stop trying to sound intelligent by quoting Bob Marley

      Le sage - 2011-04-04 10:32

      Dear Pierre, u can't be serious. You sound like someone living in denial. You need to try and change the name you bear befor misleading peoples with your thinking then after, try and invent your own sun and moon.. then comeback and tell us about waht your mind about God

      Pierre - 2011-04-04 11:26

      That's right, I'm in denial. I deny that there is a god. Thank you both for repeating back to me what I just said.

      kevs - 2011-04-04 11:47

      Pierre - Look at your thumb-print and consider theat your's are the only one on his planet. Hows that for a Master designer...God is great and merciful.Peace

      flamewulf - 2011-04-06 19:15

      I take issue with your statement and I think you are simply trolling to amuse yourself. You are as bad as these fundies who walk around telling people what they believe. You are doing exactly the same thing - "many of us are brainwashed from a very young age to accept that which we know not to be true". How dare you make this false statement. How dare you attack other people's beliefs. I did not attack your lack of belief, so why should you feel you are entitled to do so? You are just as brainwashed as those you call brainwashed - you have bought into the whole anti-theist and anti-religious mindset. You are no different from those who have bought into the fundamentalist religious mindset. Why don't you go out and do something constructive so that you can bring something "good" to the name of atheism instead of slamming religion who have done more for the poor and needy than you ever will. In other words, shut up.

  • Pat - 2011-04-04 10:06

    We all know there is a huge dollop of racism in South Africa, but the country has never experienced religious strife, so let’s keep it that way. Let the Christians worship in their Church and the Muslims in their Mosque, let us respect laws that forbid actions like burning religious books or drawing cartoons of prophets, in South African this is in violation of Clause 10. (1) of the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act of 2000. This Act is in line with Article 29. (2) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. “In the exercise of their rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law, solely for the purpose of securing due recognition for rights and freedoms of others and of meeting just requirements of public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.” Therefore anyone engaging in actions that will endanger public safety must be arrested and charged, liberalism has seen its day in South Africa, the welfare of society is more important than the rights of sick individuals.

  • Le sage - 2011-04-04 10:25

    To muslim brothers out there, why can't you burn book against book, make cartoon against cartoon, etc. Why should you kill innoncent human beings simply bcoz a book was burnt (be it holy) or a cartoon was drawn?

      Pierre - 2011-04-04 11:35

      Because that is what religion explicitly teaches you to do, moron. The only difference between "fundamentalists" who kill people for drawing cartoons, and "moderates" like you, is that the fundamentalists obey their religious texts literally, whereas you ignore yours whenever convenient.

  • Cire - 2011-04-04 11:13

    Well, I don't agree with anyone burning any books - meaningless or not - but using this as an excuse to go a violent murderous rampage against people innocent of the act is evidence of just how primitive, deluded and insane you really are. I didn't notice any Buddhists butchering muslims any where else because some froth mouthed muslim fanatics destroyed a ancient statue of Buddha at Bamiyana. While I am an atheist, give me the Buddhists any day! And maybe its about time dilly liberals realized there is no point trying to help people who hate and despise you!

      Paco7 - 2011-04-04 11:37

      ok now crawl back under your rock little spider

  • thakaali - 2011-04-04 11:34

    If Jones was a true believer in Jesus, he would not have done what he did. People then believe that all "Christians" are like him, and more souls are lost because of it.

      Moi1980 - 2011-04-04 14:01

      True It's unfortunate but all religions groups/sects have their fanatics. They will twist what they read/hear to suit their own peverted intentions

      ohsa.online - 2011-04-05 22:27

      @Jonas_Barbar: You were praying with bloody heathens?? And you "felt a presence there"? Probably one of those nutters doing you in the bum, mate. Gotta watch them arabs, they like that sort of thing then. :)

  • Gemini - 2011-04-04 12:00

    As a muslim I obviously condemn the burning of my holy book and i think this Terry Jones character is just an ass looking to make a name for himself - just an attention seeker. HOWEVER having said that there is absolutely no justification for what was done to the UN staff. These people were not responsible for what a stupid idiot did 1000s of miles away - they were not responsible for what he thinks, says or does. The killers of the UN staff have blood on their hands and they will definately pay for what they've done - they took innocent lives. Unfortunately in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan theres still alot of mob mentality & mob thinking. These guys dont question anything because they feel that the village elders know everything and should not be questioned & that they must do what they are told. But those same elders will b the ones sitting in there homes & they wont get involved with anything controversial. they'll rally the troops to do their dirty work. Islam teaches you to go out & seek the truth & not to act on some1 say so - but because of the high rate of illiteracy & ignorance amongst these villagers they don't question they just do. I know it doent justify what has been done & that logic should should prevail but its village mob mentality.

      Jonas_Barbar - 2011-04-04 20:25

      @Gemini: I am a Christian but I once went to prayer with Muslim friends (in their place of work) and I was allowed to observe from within the room. I can honestly say that I felt a presence there in the room that was not there before. Now, I may have some theories about that but what matters is that any god or God obviously exists when people believe in him/Him/her/Her/it/It. My point is that we should all respect other peoples' beliefs and religions - as you have said as well. I agree with your assessment and I want to add my vote of condemnation to both that misguided, uninformed, backward and apparently retarded priest in the US as well as those murderers in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

  • DPG - 2011-04-04 14:00

    stop following like blind sheep. god does not exist.

  • MagdaKus - 2011-04-05 06:44

    Any idiot should know that some extremists would use Quran burning as an excuse to do violence. If Terry Jones is not guilty of provoking that he's guilty of being a terrible idiot. I AM NOT CONDONING THE ACTIONS OF THE EXTREMISTS merely saying that was completely predictable by any even vaguely intelligent person who watches the news.

      AntiThesis - 2011-04-05 06:56

      I do agree that it was irresponsible from that idiot Jones - what he had to gain from doing that is incomprehensible. But the bigger issue here is that the Islamic extremists and fanatical elements can be spurred to perform these retaliations at a whim. But the problem runs deeper than that. The religious has contrived to make it impossible to differ from them - critically, without being insulting or rude. They seem to have the high-ground when it comes to hurting their religious feelings. That is the basis of the absurdities we are noticing by the fanatical religious zealots

  • Singo - 2011-04-05 08:04

    Of course you are responsible pastor Jones.The Quran was there before you were even born,what will you benefit by burning the Quran? Suppose the Muslim world engage to burn the Holy Bible,won't you be offended.As a christian pastor your duty is to preach your religion,not to burn Holy books belonging to other religions.I find you 100% responsible because you are the one who fuelled the anger among the Muslum people.I'm dissappointed in you.

  • ohsa.online - 2011-04-05 09:50

    @P!$$LAM4eva: Your comment underlines your complete lack of knowledge and understanding, and reaffirms the pathological nonsense that is P!$$LAM. If you just extrapolated your drivel your would have seen that you had dug a huge hole for yourself. Apart from that, YOU are a racist twat.

  • woeraso - 2011-04-05 12:42

    Terry Jones by his actions and his words demonstrates various things about himself: he does not comprehend the word responsibility - the ability to handle force - what force .. the force contained in the consequences of the evil actions he has done and condoned: he is like a rabid racist .. but the slant is applied to religion, and he is not even honest about that - as a Pastor he is supposed to have knowledge of ethics, justice, tolerance and understanding - if he is so bigoted .. how does he extend real help or assistance to anyone. A person who has some dire situation that requires comprehension and understanding of the forces they face would only be led astray by a person who knowingly and intentionally fosters inter religious warfare. I imagine that many Christians are highly embarassed by this fool. Stupidity is is the not knowing of the thoughts and considerations of others - as a Christian Pastor, he has demonstrated his own stupidity - by his pretence that he can wash his hands of responsibility for inciting religious hatred. He should remember that the harm he does will sooner or later be mirrored in his own life - he should go back to Sunday school and start at the beginning - after he has made amends. The real problem is that he appears so convinced he is right .. how does any communication even arrive in his life ... what a foolish man.! Going further - one would ask how come there is no calling to account of this Pastor by senior members of his Church.

  • woeraso - 2011-04-05 13:07

    Terry Jones:I call your attention to St Luke10:3-9 and 23-24. You have lost your way - your actions have moved many people further from everlasting life. Repent and make amends. Considering what you should be doing and what you have done - one wonders if you are a victim of psychopolitics - brainwashed .... and now acting as an agent provacateur to foster inter religious war. A Pastor is supposed to be smarter than you are showing yourself to be. I believe that you should: Find out who you are. You seem confused and unaware that you are - that what you say matters and that you have caused harm - every muslim child wonders at your motivations - by your actions you deny freedom of choice and insist on slavery to your slanted view of the world. A very very poor comment on the quality of your endeavours. Imagine Muslims doing as you do - open your eyes and look at the harm you are causing - you are advocating unjust war.... and war is itself insanity. Oops - sorry - you cannot open your eyes - you are a bigot. You need to: Find out who you are.

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-14 07:22

    This pastor is responsible for every life that is taken over his utter stupidity!!