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Israel derides 'shameful' German poem

2012-04-05 22:41

Jerusalem - sraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday described as "shameful" a poem by German Nobel laureate Gunter Grass, which accused Israel of plotting Iran's annihilation and threatening world peace.

"The shameful comparison that Gunter Grass made between Israel and Iran, a regime which denies the Holocaust and calls for Israel's destruction, says very little about Israel and a great deal about Mr Grass," he said in a statement.

"It is Iran, not Israel, which presents a threat to the world's peace and security. It is Iran, not Israel which threatens the destruction of other states," he said.

"It is Iran, not Israel, which supports the massacre carried out by the Syrian regime on its citizens."

Israel's foreign ministry described the Grass poem as "pathetic".

"The transition of Grass from fiction to science fiction is in very poor taste; his poem is pathetic and totally lacking grace," ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor told AFP.

Israel's Haaretz daily took the same tone, with historian Tom Segev writing that the German writer, who won the Nobel literature prize in 1999, was "more pathetic than anti-Semitic".

"The comparison between Israel and Iran is unfair because, unlike Iran, Israel has never threatened to wipe another country off the map," Segev wrote, referring to 2005 comments by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad widely translated into English as meaning the Jewish state should be "wiped off the map."

In Grass's poem What must be said, the 84-year-old longtime leftist activist wrote of his concern that Israel "could wipe out the Iranian people" with a "first strike" due to the threat it sees in Tehran's disputed nuclear programme.

"Why do I only say now, aged and with my last ink: the atomic power Israel is endangering the already fragile world peace?" reads the poem, which was published in the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

Grass, author of the renowned anti-war novel The Tin Drum, sparked outrage in 2006 when he revealed, six decades after World War II, that he had been a member of the notorious Waffen SS.

Israel, the sole if undeclared nuclear power in the Middle East, has said it is keeping all options open for responding to Iran's nuclear programme, which it says is aimed at securing nuclear weapons, posing an existential threat to the Jewish state.

Iran has consistently denied that its sensitive nuclear work is aimed at making weapons.

Comments
  • Fred - 2012-04-05 23:22

    On this I agree completely with Netanyahou. It's obvious.

      Ask - 2012-04-06 02:42

      Whew, we are so glad that you approve.

      Fred - 2012-04-06 05:13

      Little Ego problem there Joe?

      Ask - 2012-04-06 10:55

      @Fred - you think, a little too much ego... maybe you should look in the Mirror and ask - Mirror, Mirror on the wall - who is the dumbest Fred of all... if the mirror doesn't crack then you will have your answer. Keep us posted...

      Fred - 2012-04-07 13:49

      That's the post you're referring me to? Not much substance there.

  • veritas.odium.paret - 2012-04-06 08:14

    Herr Graß, die \fur-dam-tess\ Israeliten nicht mögen dein gedicht. \Zol eech deer eye-n geh-weer?\

  • Rashida Patel - 2012-04-06 08:36

    Sadly,once again israel derides and dismisses the truth ! Shame!The survivors of the holocaust are now wanting to unleash the horrors of it to the world

      Fred - 2012-04-07 13:56

      The Iranian regime supports the stoning to death of women, adjusts elections to hold onto power, threatens to eliminate Israel, and denies the occurrence of the Holocaust. Are you aware of this and support it? Hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being killed and maimed by Islamic extremists, terrorists and Islamic dictators. Not a peep from you about these most pressing and tragic events. Unelected dictators of the Middle East abuse the Palestinians by sending them arms and inciting them to attack Israel almost daily, instead of giving them the few neighborhoods they need from the vast lands they control. The Palestinians suffer. You say nothing. Why, why, why?

  • Imraan - 2012-04-06 09:00

    We often hear from politicians and in the news (our white euro-centric media) talk about reasons why we should go to war against Iran and previously Iraq because they have broken a UN resolution or are not complying with the wishes of weapon inspection teams. Western leaders and our White South African media often like to take the moral high ground when talking about human rights and how the wishes of the international community must be adhered to when the UN makes a decision. They use the force of the UN and the security council when they require moral legitamacy to go to war yet they are prepared to ignore or circumvent it when votes don’t go their way. They are also perfectly willing to use the UN to legitimise pre-emptive wars and as they are now doing with Iran impose sanctions for it’s pursuit of nuclear energy just because they suspect it might be planning a weapons programme despite the say so of nuclear weapons inspectors. However there is one country in the Middle East that DOES have nuclear weapons and this same country has been occupying parts of Palestine in breach of UN resolutions for half a century. In fact Israel has broken more UN resolutions that any other in UN history. This country also has the benefit that their biggest ally, the USA, will veto any serious resolution against them preventing any action from being carried out. Does this seem right or fair? Was the UN designed only to be a tool to be used by the powerful whities to legitamise it’s actions?

      Ask - 2012-04-06 10:31

      @Imraan - be careful at what you say - I think you will upset Frau Fred... who is a typical South African white village idiot... and we simply cannot have Frau Fred upset... he always calls everybody liars, confused etc... Great observation... the UN is there to protect a select few only... nothing is fair about the UN... it is about protecting a group that looks similar to each other... Iran should have Nuclear weapons - we need a balance of power in the region.

      Fidel - 2012-04-06 20:27

      "he always calls everybody liars, confused etc..." Not forgetting delusional, or some OECD BS!

      Fred - 2012-04-07 14:01

      You have a core pseudo-victim mentality. You'll have to change this if you want to see what is really happening in the world and want to have a positive impact. Right now you're stringing together the pseudo-victim's anthology of the world through, weak, distorted lenses. Your employer was created by "Western leaders" and "white South Africans".

      Fidel - 2012-04-07 14:17

      You really, really are truly insufferable!!! Same old rubbish repeated in thread after thread. The employment you speak of was imposed on Africans. The hut tax was a particular crafty piece of legislation that secured African labour by insidious means. It is a western psychopathic mindset that can steal someone's livelihood and then proceed to praise itself for having "created" employment for Africans. You can't torpedo a passenger ship and then congratulate yourself that you picked up a few survivors. On the other hand you do understand barbarity of your masters' actions, so like in Stockholm syndrome you are desperately trying to find ‘good’ reasons for their actions, thus protection your psychological health. You do a good job of expressing the psychosis that an Imperial colonialist suffers from.

      Fred - 2012-04-07 21:11

      Fidel, you'd have more credibility if you arrived at similar conclusions about the CURRENT barbarism of the dictatorial leaders and extremists in your midst who are killing, maiming, detaining, torturing and raping hundreds of thousands of mainly Muslum civilians RIGHT NOW. You don't. Instead you focus on the distant past of that part of humanity which has evolved, changed and grown from many of its mistakes. The leaders and extremists mentioned are playing out cruel and barbaric ways of being from hundreds, even thousands of years, past. You don't say anything about this. Nothing.

      Fred - 2012-04-07 21:20

      In addition, the hut tax you speak of wasn't all dark. It was intended to create productive activity, in a continent renowned for inactivity, especially among the males.

      Fidel - 2012-04-08 12:09

      Productivity for who?

  • thetroubledtroubador - 2012-04-06 12:46

    Die letzten Tropfen stinken And if this is poetry, The Nobel prize may yet be mine, Opinions, from an ex-Nazi, On 'untermenschen', 'Juden-schwein'?, Former SS volunteer, Rottenfuhrer Gunter Grass, sollte seine verdammten Mund, Because he's talking out his ass!

      Zion - 2012-04-06 14:43

      No good: No internal rhythm in the lines. Better luck next time.

  • velvybokov - 2012-04-06 15:17

    Once a NAZI always a NAZI! Did jews ever point guns at europe without provocation. Did Jews ever Gas germans or british romanians hungarians egyptians syrians lebanese or any other nation for that matter... Or was that the murdering NAZIS!\r\nWhen ppl who say \60\ year guilt trips... I respnsd to you selfish arrogant prejudiced protectors of evil... SHAME ON YOU. You think 60 year guilt will bring back thousands of families whose lineage were wiped out - FOREVER. No continuity for families... And u talk of a minute 60 years. When 6 million arabs, 6 million blacks or whites or europeans or any other nation or race is systematically wiped out, then you might qualify to say whether 60 years guilt is something israel have locked germany into.\r\nUntil then you shud shut your mouths because your need and history hardly qualifies you for the right to self defence from those who have a history of initiating aggression.

      Fidel - 2012-04-06 15:36

      First of all the six million figure is a swindle. If there is no evidence for something, there is no reason to believe that it is true. Believing in things for which there is no evidence falls somewhere between religion and insanity. Leopold's holocaust in the Congo and the slave trade are but only a few example of previous holocausts. John Stuart Mill recognised that truths not subject to continual challenge eventually "cease to have the effect of truth by being exaggerated into falsehood." In his book, "The Holocaust Industry", Norman Finkelstein writes: "The claim of Holocaust uniqueness is a claim of Jewish uniqueness. Not the suffering of Jews but that Jews suffered is what made The Holocaust unique. Or, the Holocaust is special because Jews are special. Thus Ismar Schorsch, chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary, ridicules the Holocaust uniqueness claim as "a distasteful secular version of chosenness." When one is rigidly only upholding one view it opens you up to be very easily manipulated and brainwashed by unscrupulous agents who have their own dishonest agendas (mostly politicians).

      Ask - 2012-04-07 01:34

      @velvybokov.... I agree the Jews did not provoke anyone in Europe with guns... explain 2 things - why then are the Zionists doing it to the Palestinians and why were the Jews so hated in Europe?

      Fred - 2012-04-07 14:03

      Fidel, you're talking more nonsense. This has been pointed out to you by multiple readers.

      Fred - 2012-04-07 14:04

      Joe, you're a racist and anti-Semite. There is no place for that in our world.

      Fidel - 2012-04-07 14:41

      Again, forget what I claim to know just concentrate on what I show you I know and refute that if you can. It should go without saying, that disagreement with my posts is unrelated to my credibility. Can you............?

      Ask - 2012-04-07 16:37

      @Frau Fred - Are you sure you are on the same page as everyone else. I think your head went through a time machine maybe you nose is too near your ass... Where did I make racist or anti-Semitic comments? I'm a semite, you are a boer looking for recognition... boet, you had your innings; it stopped in 1994 and like the Nazi holocaust; we will NOT let you forget it... now you 'box' - you made a statement; you either clarify it or apologise... schwein. Wake up call for you buddy... there aint no place for YOU...

      Fred - 2012-04-07 19:56

      You believe "the Jews were so hated in Europe". Can't get more racist and antisemitic than that.

      Fred - 2012-04-07 20:40

      You invert reality. You are almost always wrong, supporting the dark while thinking you're strengthening the light. I understand you can't see it, but looking in from the outside, it is obvious, not only to me but to the many others who have pointed this out to you.

      Fred - 2012-04-07 20:43

      The second message is to Fidel

      Ask - 2012-04-07 20:48

      @Frau Fred - I'm now convinced that you are bigger 'box' then I thought... The Jewish people were expelled from 79 countries in Europe by Christians, you box... this is a historical fact; if that is not hatred then what is... I'm trying to establish the reason for these expulsions... if you cannot make a decent or an articulate contribution then hou jou bek... whenever this question or questions in this vain are asked then idiots like you cry racism and anti-semitism... answer the question you twit... and btw.. it is you that is a Racist... I think you are a neo-nazi...

      Ask - 2012-04-07 20:50

      @Fred - what sh1t are you talking... you should go back to school and apply for a refund; smoke dagga with the money... you will make more sense 'You invert reality. You are almost always wrong, supporting the dark while thinking you're strengthening the light. I understand you can't see it, but looking in from the outside, it is obvious, not only to me but to the many others who have pointed this out to you.'

      Fred - 2012-04-07 23:58

      What was the reason then, according to you?

      Jaba - 2012-04-08 00:39

      why then are the Zionists doing it to the Palestinians? If they did there would be no Palestinians left. your blood libels are pathetic joe. Fidel you are the def of insanity.

      Ask - 2012-04-08 03:01

      @Frua Fred - you see what you did, you woke up Jaba; now nobody is going to get any answers; only insults... Listen 'box' my 2 questions were not rhetorical, if they were, this would imply that I knew the answers and am trying to be sarcastic. One theory is that the Christians in Europe were jealous of the success of the Jewish people. @Jaba - to answer your question - the Zionists, are exterminating the Palestinians, perhaps not at the same speed as the Nazi's... You and Fred have no answers to my questions so you hurl insults. My insults are hurled at people like Fred and now you that cannot give a DIRECT answer. The questions are simple. I will say it again... if you do NOT know the answers, at least have the humility to keep quiet.

      Fred - 2012-04-08 04:31

      ?

      Ask - 2012-04-08 05:14

      @Frau Fred - '?' this is probably your most intelligent answer to date.

      Fidel - 2012-04-08 12:11

      Jaba and Fred, both of you are unable to refute my posts and are left with insults to hide that. Can you refute what I say?

  • velvybokov - 2012-04-06 15:17

    Once a NAZI always a NAZI! Did jews ever point guns at europe without provocation. Did Jews ever Gas germans or british romanians hungarians egyptians syrians lebanese or any other nation for that matter... Or was that the murdering NAZIS!\r\nWhen ppl who say \60\ year guilt trips... I respnsd to you selfish arrogant prejudiced protectors of evil... SHAME ON YOU. You think 60 year guilt will bring back thousands of families whose lineage were wiped out - FOREVER. No continuity for families... And u talk of a minute 60 years. When 6 million arabs, 6 million blacks or whites or europeans or any other nation or race is systematically wiped out, then you might qualify to say whether 60 years guilt is something israel have locked germany into.\r\nUntil then you shud shut your mouths because your need and history hardly qualifies you for the right to self defence from those who have a history of initiating aggression.

      Fidel - 2012-04-06 18:05

      This is an interesting grief coping mechanism you developed here.

      Jaba - 2012-04-08 00:42

      fidels grief coping mechanism is hating Jews, Israel and anything western. She is sub-human

      Fidel - 2012-04-08 12:13

      Wrong, I hate zionists and western Imperialism!

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