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Israelis being fooled on Iran: ex-security chief

2012-04-28 14:33

Jerusalem - Israel's former security chief Yuval Diskin on Saturday accused top ministers of misleading the public about the chances any pre-emptive military action against Iran's nuclear facilities succeeding.

Diskin singled out Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak for criticism over their increasingly bellicose comments in the standoff with Iran over its nuclear programme.

"My major problem is that I have no faith in the current leadership, which must lead us in an event on the scale of war with Iran or a regional war," Diskin said in comments carried by army radio and the Haaretz newspaper.

"I don't believe in either the prime minister or the defence minister. I don't believe in a leadership that makes decisions based on messianic feelings," he said.

"Believe me, I have observed them from up close ... They are not people who I, on a personal level, trust to lead Israel to an event on that scale and carry it off. These are not people who I would want to have holding the wheel in such an event.

Nuclear race


"They are misleading the public on the Iran issue. They tell the public that if Israel acts, Iran won't have a nuclear bomb. This is misleading. Actually, many experts say that an Israeli attack would accelerate the Iranian nuclear race."

Diskin, who stepped down as head of Israel's Shin Bet domestic security service last year after six years in the post, was addressing a public meeting in Kfar Saba in the Tel Aviv suburbs.

In March, former Mossad chief Meir Dagan also spoke out publicly against a military option on Iran. He told US network CBS an Israeli attack would have "devastating" consequences for Israel and would, in any case, be unlikely to put an end to the Iranian nuclear programme.

On relations between Israeli Jews and other groups, Diskin said: "Over the past 10-15 years, Israel has become more and more racist. All of the studies point to this. This is racism toward Arabs and toward foreigners, and we are also becoming a more belligerent society."

Diskin also said he believed another political assassination, like that of then prime minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 by a Jewish extremist, could occur in the future.

"Today there are extremist Jews, not just in the territories but also inside the Green Line - dozens of them - who, in a situation in which settlements are evacuated, would be willing to take up arms against their Jewish brothers," he said.

Comments
  • Lulama - 2012-04-28 15:22

    isreal as a nation should not used force to solve problems that are supposed to be resolve diplomatically. what isreal should do is a give and take situation so that there will be peace,installed of isreal treating the arabe as if they are criminals and terrorist in their own country

      Benn - 2012-04-28 19:00

      One misguided opinion does not equal a right. You cannot deal diplomatically with thugs who have undertaken to destroy you. You deal with international barbarian terrorists as exactly that- you destroy them- period.

      Ask - 2012-04-29 05:45

      @Benn - are you referring to Israel being international barbarians...

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:33

      That's your level of thinking Joe? It's low.

  • Ask - 2012-04-28 16:44

    Hello Fred, Hello Jaba, Hello Boom - three Amigos... can we have a rebuttal please...

  • Bongani Mlambo - 2012-04-28 19:20

    I am one of those who acknowledges that indeed the holocaust happened. In 1984, during the struggle years I visited the Buchenwalt Concentration Camp. It was indeed a sad epoch for the world. At the same time I am worried about the rumblings in the Middle East. May the leadership in the region cross the Rubicon for peace sake, I pray.

  • tnmunyai - 2012-04-28 23:28

    Halala! Israel former security chief Yuval Diskin said in past 10-15 years Israel Jewish became more racists toward Arabs and other foreigners. What about SA Jewish(DA's). African people be careful. A mozambique cobra wil remain the most dangerous snake even if you take it to other country. To vote for DA is to open the gate for Jewish to come to our country in bulk. They are planing to invade our country through a ballot paper. I am not a prophet. Look to what happen in cape town, It change to be a teritory of Israel. It is like Gaza in Palestina.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 01:15

      You're not a prophet that's for sure. You're a disgusting racist.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 01:16

      You obviously don't know the role the South African Jewish community played in bringing an end to Apartheid. I recommend educating yourself.

      Ask - 2012-04-29 05:58

      @tnmunyai - and Fred... I hope you realise that Judaism is a religion and not a race and to make comments like that against Jews is racist attack 'religiously'. If Jews come here in bulk I think SA would prosper; if Zionists came here in bulk, I would worry even though they do have quite a presence, thanks to the ANC. Fred - FYI very few Jewish people contributed against Apartheid, the vast majority exploited the situation like everybody else... get your facts straight, I was around during that period...

      Fred - 2012-04-29 07:44

      I recommend checking your definition of race in the dictionary There's a strong relationship between Jewish and "black" South Africans. Always has been, especially under Apartheid. It was Jews who gave Mandela and Sisulu work when they graduated as lawyers, and helped Mandela escape when he was on the run. Key people in Mandela's inner circle were Jewish. Bram Fischer, Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson were three of the five members of his defense team at the Rivonia Trial. Wolfie Kodesh was his accomplice in early bombing activities before the Rivonia Trial. And there was Joe Slovo of course.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 07:48

      That should be Oliver Tambo, not Walter Sisulu

      Lenzi - 2012-04-29 15:07

      @ askjoe. well said!

      Ask - 2012-04-29 15:56

      @Fred - I said a few Jews were assisting the fight against Apartheid and you named the 'few'... 10 out of 140000... you do the maths... There was also a strong relationship with African Americans and some Jews in the American South... they assisted in some way with the black liberation struggle... The majority did enjoy Apartheid and benefited financially in a big way...

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:18

      Those were the most visible. To suggest you know what the other 120,000 did, and that they enjoyed Apartheid, is the height of arrogance to say the least and ignorance. The relationship between SA Jews and the liberation struggle was very similar to that with the SA Indian population.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 01:57

      @Fred - Yebo gogo... I hope you understand; I know you an Israeli agent paid for every entry... living in the US... I WILL be arrogant on this point... I've seen how they exploited the Apartheid situation to there benefit... What exactly is your point about the Indian population... since when have they become part of THIS discussion... Freddy 'dear'... Wake up and smell the Brazilian coffee imported from Israel and exported to the US...

      Fred - 2012-04-30 03:17

      Funny!

  • Fred - 2012-04-29 03:15

    News24, is this a reliable report? The last story about what Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz said was faulty.

      Ask - 2012-04-29 06:00

      you obviously, know the truth, instead of telling that it is a 'faulty' correct it, so that we may fire the editor...

  • Dave - 2012-04-29 08:14

    I cant believe people who have been wronged in the most brutal way by the Nazis can perpetrate athrocities against the palestinians.Continual occupation of Palestine is making the the world unstable.Israel defied the UN resolutions on countless occations but expect the world to support them.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 08:36

      It sure appears that way sometimes. But you have to look behind the presenting face. Who's funding the Palestinians to attack Israel almost daily, and why? And what would you do if you were attacked in your home almost daily?

      Dave - 2012-04-29 11:29

      @Fred, Israel is treating the UN contempt.Why is it allowed to defy the resolutions for its withrawal?The palestinians dont have army like Israel so any country that is willing 2 defend them is branded terrorist sponsors.Israel musnt 4get the wheel is turning.

      Dave - 2012-04-29 11:29

      @Fred, Israel is treating the UN contempt.Why is it allowed to defy the resolutions for its withrawal?The palestinians dont have army like Israel so any country that is willing 2 defend them is branded terrorist sponsors.Israel musnt 4get the wheel is turning.

      Fidel - 2012-04-29 11:41

      Dave, spot on. That is exactly what I do not understand about Israelis. The saying "who knows it feels it" seems not to apply to them. It is like they are divorced from their own suffering even though they remind the world every opportunity they get, like Fred reminding us daily on these threads. Surely they must be psychopaths!

      Ask - 2012-04-29 15:58

      @Fred - your comment 'And what would you do if you were attacked in your home almost daily?' this is what you can't get through your thick skin... you threw the Palestinians out... they want there homes returned... so they fight... Asked and answered...

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:25

      A simple, and faulty, version of the situation.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:28

      Dave, because the Palestinians, incited and funded by the self-serving, unelected dictators of the region have continually attacked Israel. End of story. They have to stand on their own two feet and choose peace. When this happens, they'll have peace.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:31

      Fidel, you're a stated racist who refers to Israel as "the Nazi bastard child". You have very little if anything to offer this discussion that is insightful.

      Dave - 2012-04-29 17:40

      @Fred Israel is acting exactly like nationalist govt telling liberation movements to choose peace while occupied the townships with the army.Withdrawal is the only answer.A powerful Jewish lobby groups in the US are encouraging the right-wing govt in Israel to act with impunity.They know that any move from international community will be vetoed by the US.

      Dave - 2012-04-29 17:40

      @Fred Israel is acting exactly like nationalist govt telling liberation movements to choose peace while occupied the townships with the army.Withdrawal is the only answer.A powerful Jewish lobby groups in the US are encouraging the right-wing govt in Israel to act with impunity.They know that any move from international community will be vetoed by the US.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 18:34

      You're missing important parts of the story and superimposing what you know from South Africa. Israel was invaded twice, full military invasions, by it's unelected neighbors. It managed to survive and push the invaders back. In accordance with the rules of war, it got to keep the territories. It could have gone much, much further, but didn't. Moral of the story: don't invade your neighbor.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 18:38

      In the interests of peace, it is willing to create a Palestinian state with its neighbors. But it's the Palestinians have to first decide Israel has a right to exist. A right to exist. Get it? The Palestinians, incited and funded by the self-serving dictators of the region, want to destroy Israel and are crying foul at the same time saying that Israel doesn't want peace and won't allow the Palestinians to exist.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 18:43

      This is called playing the martyr

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:41

      It's a big, tragic, child-like manipulation being played out by grown-ups with guns and bombs, supported by cruel, unelected dictators. Thankfully, the people are speaking, removing these dictators. When they're gone, the incitement and funding should dry up. A more-clear opportunity will emerge for the Palestinians and Israelis to create peace.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 02:41

      @Fred - Don't jump the gun... I think Israel's biggest mistake is NOT funding and keeping these dictators in power; as long as they are there... you will have free reign of the area... they are going through a clean up process... Beware the circle... and it started turning... You going to come back to me and say..."I told you so..."

      Fred - 2012-04-30 03:19

      I'm not understanding what you've written. I believe when the dictators are gone, the inciting of the Palestinians to attack Israel almost daily and their funding will dry up. At that point, there will be greater opportunity for the Israelis and Palestinians to create peace.

  • Dave - 2012-04-29 08:14

    I cant believe people who have been wronged in the most brutal way by the Nazis can perpetrate athrocities against the palestinians.Continual occupation of Palestine is making the the world unstable.Israel defied the UN resolutions on countless occations but expect the world to support them.

      Fidel - 2012-04-29 11:42

      Israel is a rogue terrorist military outpost!

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:32

      Another wild assertion, Fidel, with no substance.

      Rob - 2012-04-29 17:07

      @ Anthony...WHO are you having a go @ here ? Dave's post is misguided, Fidel, is just being Fidel & Fred is....correct as usual. Why the " drama queen " post ?

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-04-29 17:44

      Fidel, As there are hundreds of thousands Jewish people in SA, you are nothing morethan a pathethic figure, to continiously hurting and insulting them. You just don't have the intelligence to make ANY comment without it dripping with RACISM AND HATRED !!!!!!!!

  • Lenzi - 2012-04-29 12:18

    Bravo Mr Diskin, you are perfectly right there does exist an extremist Jewish minority hell bent on war which bases their leadership on as you say "messianic feelings" one simply needs to read what goes on in news 24 comments regarding Israeli related issues and you get a clear indication on what the mindset of a religious "supremacist" is like. Sadly this one uses the old testament to Justify their master race beliefs.. read the comments on http://www.news24.com/World/News/Obama-gives-147m-aid-to-Palestinians-20120428 to see what i am talking about. It is very important the world understands this is only a politically influenced minority of Jews and not a majority.

      Ask - 2012-04-29 16:05

      Touche... here is an interesting quote... "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 16:33

      As pointed out previously, that's a doctored quote Joe. So much for your insight and knowledge.

      Ask - 2012-04-29 17:47

      @Fred - you pointed out nothing, you merely, as usual, make statements... why don't you check it out... you seem to have alot of time on your hands.. I have hundreds more, if you care to check them out... just say the word... and I will post them.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 18:41

      I have. They all come from the same group of websites thick with agenda. They're so obviously wrong.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 02:28

      @Fred - here is a more recent quote, probably a few days ... from brother Diskin... this is amazing... same article, different countries have extra news on this issue... why has the SA news excluded the following statements. "Many saw Mr Diskin's comments on the government's dealings with the Palestinians as even more significant than those on Iran. While Mr Netanyahu has insisted the peace process is stalled because he does not have a willing partner, Mr Diskin declared: ''This government has no interest in talking with the Palestinians, period. ''It certainly has no interest in resolving anything with the Palestinians, period.''"

      Fred - 2012-04-30 04:54

      I need to hear the interviews myself. Unfortunately news reports are notoriously incomplete. The Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz interviews distorted what he said. He actually said he believed Iran was intent on having nuclear weapons and was moving in that direction. The story reported he said the exact opposite.

  • Iqbal - 2012-04-29 18:46

    @Fred. Your ignorance never fails to amaze me. You proudly mention the names of Arthur Chaskalson and Bram Fischer in your post. Indeed these were true heroes. Why don't you follow their example in being outspoken critics of Israel. Do you even know what their views are on Palestine? If you did you wouldn't have dared mention their names in your mail as most zionists would call them "self-hating-Jews". Shame, you are an embarrassment to the Israeli/zionist PRO campaign and you are doing a poor job of it. Most of the Jews that sincerely fought against apartheid are well known and outspoken critics of Israel. Very devious of you to associate yourself and your racist/zionist ilk with these brave heroes when it's convenient for you.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:25

      Actually, they're personal friends. They're critics of Israel's building policy in the West Bank and Gaza, not of Israel generally as you purport. Unfortunately you're still inverting reality, and allowing yourself to be played by the brutal regimes in the region, who are fast being removed by their populations.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:26

      Braam Fischer is no longer alive. His family are personal friends.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:36

      And it's actually manipulative of you to use them to support your anti-Israel agenda. I recommend informing yourself further about what is really happening in the Middle East, and to look deeper. You're missing important parts, and arriving at the wrong conclusions.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 21:07

      You should be supporting the people of the region, who are creating greater freedom for themselves, not the oppressive regimes manipulating the Palestinians, and trying to prevent these freedoms for their own selfish gain.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 02:03

      @Fred - you have some nerve in telling Iqbal who he should be supporting... I thought he made that abundantly clear... the only oppressive regime in Region is 'Israel' and fyi...Israel is not interested in peace... the only peace they are interested in is a piece of this land and a piece of that land...

      Fred - 2012-04-30 03:23

      The Palestinians openly declare they want to destroy Israel. They teach their children at Kindergarten level to grow up and fight Israel. They attack Israel almost daily. The dictators in the region invaded Israel twice, full military invasions, in the 1960's. I think it's clear you're focussing on part of the story only, and arriving at the wrong conclusion.

  • Iqbal - 2012-04-29 19:13

    I agree with askjoe and others. You make wild unsubstantiated statements and make a fool of yourself. The overwhelming majority of anti apartheid heroes agree that the struggle against racism and apartheid is not over until Palestine is free. It is patently clear that you know nothing about apartheid and the struggle, so do not associate yourself with it. Israel = Zionism = Apartheid = Racism = Barbaric repressive/oppressive regime. Ask any one of those that fought against apartheid (regardless of religion) and they will all agree with this.

      Fred - 2012-04-29 19:29

      This is your opinion, Iqbal. I very much hope it's not true, but unfortunately my experience of the current level of thinking among the new generation of "struggle proponents" leaves much to be desired. In any event, it wouldn't make them right.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 02:06

      @Fred - well at the moment what the Zionists are doing aint right either... so speak to your people and if you need the sea opened again... (like we say in SA; in Afrikaans) we can make a plan...

      Fred - 2012-04-30 03:24

      I'm not Jewish, Joe, and I'm not an agent. Funny!

      Ask - 2012-04-30 05:19

      @Fred - I know you not Jewish... if you were Jewish, you would have had brains... don't worry, nobody is perfect...

      Fred - 2012-04-30 05:52

      You're like an eel. You implied it above.

      Ask - 2012-04-30 08:47

      @Fred - I never implied you were Jewish... I implied that you were a Zionist... big difference...you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist... I'm merely giving you a dose of your own medicine...

      Fred - 2012-05-01 15:37

      "Zionism (Hebrew: ???????, Tsiyonut) is a form of nationalism of Jews and Jewish culture that supports a Jewish nation state in territory defined as the Land of Israel." Apart from members of the ZCC in Southern Africa, an unrelated organization, Zionists are Jewish people.

      Ask - 2012-05-01 17:54

      @Fred - you have been reading... I'm slowly becoming impressed... Not all Jews are Zionists... these are the GOD fearing ones... the Jews that subscribe to Zionism are the Calf worshippers...

      Fred - 2012-05-01 21:01

      Why would you want to fear God, Joe? God is love and forgiveness. There's nothing to fear.

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