Majority of Palestinians back UN bid

2011-09-19 20:49

Ramallah - A large majority of the Palestinian public - 83% - supports the plan to seek full UN membership for a Palestinian state, an opinion poll released on Monday showed.

The poll, carried out by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research (PSR), found Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza back the bid despite fearing the serious economic consequences which could follow the membership request.

Fully 78% said they expect Israel to suspend crucial tax and tariff transfers and increase restrictions on the Palestinians in response to the UN campaign, with 64% also expecting Washington to impose punitive financial measures.

"A semi-consensus is evolving over the issue of seeking UN membership and recognition of Palestinian statehood, despite the fact that a large majority believe that the step will lead to greater hardships on the ground," PSR said.

The poll found little expectation that the UN bid would be successful, with more than three-quarters of respondents - 77% - saying they expect the United States to veto the request.

Most said they supported the campaign of support rallies which are to take place this week, with 54% saying they expected to join in at some stage.

The Palestinian Authority has insisted the rallies will be peaceful and not stray outside of areas under their control, dismissing out of hand Israeli fears of mass unrest.

The poll, which surveyed 1 200 people in the West Bank and Gaza and had a three percent margin of error, was conducted just before president Mahmud Abbas flew on Sunday to New York to submit his formal state membership request.

Abbas is to address the General Assembly on Friday, after which he will submit the request for the UN to admit a Palestinian state based on the lines that existed before the 1967 Six War, encompassing Gaza and the West Bank, including annexed Arab east Jerusalem.

  • Arno Young - 2011-09-19 22:36

    "In Gaza, where the Palestinians have had a chance to see exactly what will happen in an independent Palestinian-controlled territory, a full 49 percent want to leave."

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 10:23

      Only if you believe the Zionist trash thats being bandied as fact by IsraelToday. What is the reason that they want to leave, it is because of Zionist policies that is hell bent on keeping them in servitude, Zionists bombing water plants, power stations, hospitals and schools

      soofie habib - 2011-09-20 11:48

      The quicker the pallestinian trash leave the better They are just SQUATTERS in Israel!! and must go back to the huge Arab states where they came from! Viva Israel!

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 17:41

      soofie habib you show your complete ignorance of the region, most of the Zionists that are there now comes from Europe or the former Soviet republics, that makes them SQUATTERS too and they must then go back to where they come from and stop the hatred they are spewing on a daily basis

  • montana - 2011-09-20 00:17

    what a joke. look at history- these displaced palestinians should be living in jordan, not in Israel. amazing how every arab nation attacked the tiny Jewish state seeking its destruction, and Israel came on top- it always will

      Durbsdude - 2011-09-20 06:43

      Even with all their gobbing off about how tough they are, not one of the Arab states has made a single dent in the Israeli resolve. It kinda makes one give little notice to those that threaten and sabre-rattle because they're just bags of hot farts really.

      kubs - 2011-09-20 08:37

      Israel came out on top cos it had military support from the US..they basically like a lowlife thug on the street who threatens u with a gun and mugs u..the time for talking for decades with Israel is over..lets see how they protect themselves against a nuclear weapon from Iran..Israel have been assasinating iranian nuclear scientists by shooting them in the back like the cowards they are..that wont stop it

      MosesMabhida - 2011-09-20 08:53

      Kubs I am not sure if you are aware of this fact, but if Israel is hit by a killer weapon - their final form of defence is too make the whole area from Morocco to Pakistan uninhabitable for 2 thousand years. Reading your post makes me realise why they have so many missiles pointed at spots around northern Africa, Middle East and South West Asia. If they go you go is their policy. Imagine no more Hajji? Kubs, your people’s uncompromising stance mixed with Israel's firepower will bring planet earth to its knees. I wish you people would just get along

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 09:13

      Kubs actually you are wrong about that. For example in 1948, in the first war against Israel, there was no support from any other state when all of the mighty Arab armies of all the surrounding states attempted to destroy Israel and its people. You are also wrong about the military capabilities of countries like Syria and Jordan when compared to Israel. Those countries have the same military capability as Israel, supplied with military hardware particularly from Iran. I also find it ironic that you are so pleased that Iran will be able to destroy Israel with a nuclear attack, but you see nothing wrong with the thousands of Iranians killed by the dictator Ahmadinejad, nor the thousands of Syrians killed by Bashir, supported by Iran. Your mind is very confused, my man. Very confused and hate-filled and consumed by irrational lust for destruction.

      kubs - 2011-09-20 09:36

      @BA..If someone hijacked ur car and drove it past ur house everyday and threatened u with weapons if u wanted to do anything about it..for decades!..I suspect that u might also have a lust for destruction..thats wat u dont understand or u simply just glad to see that Russia also supports a Palestine state..China will too..israels days are numbered

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 10:20

      The only reason Israel survives because of its big daddy the bully USA

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 11:02

      Kubs you make statements which are wrong and then you try to play the man not the ball, without knowing anything about me. You said, "Israel came out on top cos it had military support from the US" and the fact is that Israel certainly has not always had the support of the US. And the US does not fight Israel's battles for it. It does use US military hardware, but then the Arab states use military hardware supplied by Iran, Russia, and so forth. In fact, even Gaza is supplied with missiles, rockets and light and heavy artillery by Iran. So your statement is just not true. Finally, you and Abdud-Dayaan seem to be sorry that Israel has survived, and you want the death of all Jews. I have seen your comments about the Holocaust before. Your reaction to the conflict is an unreasonable, hate-filled one. There can never be a solution if that is what you want. What is there to discuss or negotiate on that basis? Both sides have suffered and both sides are fighting and both sides have legitimate concerns, rights and obligations, but you cannot reach any resolution by singling out only Israel without acknowledging the responsiblity of the other side and without being balanced and fair. Don't expect any Israeli or Jewish person to give you anything when all you want is the death of every Jewish person.

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 12:15

      Sorry pal i do have a lot of Jewish friends and we get along very well its the Zionists and not ht e Jews that is a problem they not interested in peace. The money the USA spend on Israel is astronomical, if it wasn't for that funding then the Zionists wouldn't be able to do what they are doing. I don't hate Jews or want to see them all killed as you put it. I HATE ZIONISTS and the way they have hijacked the JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL and US FOREIGN POLICY and i HATE FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS that spew hatred that is incompatible with ISLAM and the QURAN. Once the world start putting the ZIONIST on the same footing as AL QUEDA then peace will prevail and sanity will return

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 12:49

      Abdud I don't think you are my pal. I was referring to Kubs when I was talking about the comments he has made about the holocaust, but let me ask you, who are "the Zionists" that you hate? Al Queda is a clearly defined terrorist organization, but who are "the Zionists"?

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 18:16

      You have said the following: " Finally, you and Abdud-Dayaan seem to be sorry that Israel has survived, and you want the death of all Jews." I don't want the death of all Jews or feel sorry that Israel exist. The Zionists is a minority of extremists amongst the Jews the same as Al Queda is a minority amongst the Muslims and it is by time the world see these Zionists for what they are TERRORISTS in the same mould as Al Queda.

  • Durbsdude - 2011-09-20 06:39

    Well Pakistan is a member of the UN. Why shouldn't the UN add another terrorist state to the list...

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 07:06

      You, my friend, are a prime example of why I think social media is a step in the wrong direction. You're allowed to air your opinion exactly as you hear it from the voices in your head without even considering processing it with your unbiased intellect first. You should ask twitter to remove your "follow Durbsdude" button because if anybody wanted to listen to the trash you just said then I'm willing to believe that the world will end in December next year because it just shows the human race is lost.

      mecan - 2011-09-20 08:12

      I agree with Durbs’. If you want to be part of the UN – you have to renounce terror first. They must accept Israel's existence so that Israel would be able to vote yes for them to join the UN. However, how does one expect Israel to allow Palestinians’ a country if their sole purpose (at the moment) is the destruction of Israel? Have you read Hamas’s charter – Hamas’s charter is a written document calling for the killing of all Jews in the Middle East. The main problem with the Palestinians is that they speak "peace" in English & violence in Arabic.

      Durbsdude - 2011-09-20 09:12

      Some people don't want anyone to dare have a different opinion. Look at Yemen. negro.please is clearly a disciple of that school of thought that says free speech is not an option...

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 09:19

      Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. But if you just make a statement like that without trying to convince us with specific points, how am I supposed to agree with you? It's similar to just putting out a tweet saying "got robbed today by a black guy. all black people are rogues"

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 10:24

      The USA, UK are also terrorist states

  • BrassCopper - 2011-09-20 08:19

    If the Palestinians stop terror and vote to live in peace with Israel, all these pathetic propaganda will disappear into history... I’m glad most normal people are able to see above all this blind hate towards Israel. If the Palestinians truly wanted peace, they would have had peace generations ago. However, their hate blinds them, and their religion proclaims them to fight till the end, and their leaders ride the gravy train to Swiss bank accounts on their own people's shoulders…

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-20 10:18

      It's the Zionists that dont want peace they continue to spew hatred in their obsession that they are some uber race they must stop their illegal occupation and their detention without trial and their assasinations. Does it sound familiar it should the Apartheid regime was the same and what happened to them.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 10:26

      My only consolation to our brothers in Palestine is that the Nazi's thought they were the Aryan race, and the Afrikaaners here thought they were God's chosen people, but in the end they fell to the voice of justice. Without moving too much off the topic, I'd like to point out that America supported the Apartheid regime. Enough said about that, no need for anyone to respond to it lest we go off on another tangent here.

      Vredehoek Rentals - 2011-09-20 11:47

      What terror - if I take away your house, harass you everyday, take away your decency will you take it lying down. You'll reach the point where enough is enough.

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 12:20

      Tell me Vredehoek Rentals - are you referring to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were expelled from Arab states and whose houses were taken away, or the survivors in those states who cannot practice freely and are harassed, murdered and terrorized?

  • Libertador - 2011-09-20 10:12

    Israel has to stop this expansionist attitude and agree to live within the 1967 borders. This has been set out in UN resolution after UN resolution and has been accepted by the Arab League as a basis of any future peace agreement. The Arabs have accepted that Israel isn't going anywhere, isn't it time that Israel accepted that neither are the Palestinians?? “We ….are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 11:12

      Libertador on the contrary. Hamas has not accepted that Israel is not going anywhere. The fact is that even Abbas has stated within the last few weeks that he will not recognize the state of Israel even if the UN recognizes a state of Palestine. Hamas officially calls for the total destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. They have not changed their position. What is there to accept? The PLO was founded in 1964, at least 3 years before "the occupation". The Palestinians have in law and in fact sovereign control over their territories and Israel has withdrawn from Gaza and the West Bank. There is no "occupation" in law or in fact. There is no "expansionist" attitude in fact. Israel has on many occasions offered the Palestinians the pre-1967 borders, with the requirement of concessions on the Palestinians' part too, like a cessation of violence, recognition of the state of Israel, and no right of return, but the Palestinians refuse to give Israel any concessions. These are all facts. Not opinions. You can verify them yourself from any non-partisan historic source.

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 11:14


      Libertador - 2011-09-20 13:57

      Abbas has said that they will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Israhell' recognition as a Jewish state means that 100s of 1000s of Palestinian who were kicked out will have no recourse in claiming part of their land, whilst the same hypocrite zionists are still bleeding Germany today for the so called holohoax. Who knows it feels it!

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 14:05

      Libertador, when I prove to you that your statement is factually incorrect, you resort to the ridiculous assertion that the holocaust is a fiction. Every single legal case that has ever been brought in any court of law against a holocaust denier has resulted in victory against the holocaust-denier, because the holocaust did happen. You can ask any Jew with a tatood number on his or her arm from one of the concentration camps about it. You would like Israel to accept a Palestinian state but the Palestinians do not have to recognize the State of Israel. It is amazing to me that you see nothing wrong with that confused, hate-filled logic.

      Libertador - 2011-09-20 16:34

      And how many jews were exterminated in the holohoax, 3 million or 6 million?

  • Vredehoek Rentals - 2011-09-20 11:45

    Why is it that only the US and Israel does not support the Palestinians call for statehood. Even the EU is in agreement of it. Me smells a rat as usual. But then again you're a fool to believe Israel's comments that a majority does not make it right. What BS.

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 12:17

      Hamas also does not support the call for statehood. And there are many states in the EU as well as other countries besides the US that do not support the Palestinian call for statehood. In fact, Israel has on many occasions signed agreements that would create a 2 state solution. Please refer to my comments above in response to Libertador. This accusation of apartheid is a slander and a lie. It is factually incorrect. It has no justification. It is propaganda and lies spread by those who like easy sound bites but have no idea of history, geography, facts or truth.

      Libertador - 2011-09-20 14:02

      The amerikan congress is owned by jews, AIPAC, so are all other aspects of amerikan politics. *"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - "Israeli" Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio “You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache"

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 14:15

      Libertador, I am wasting my time, I know, with someone who is a proud and blatant Jew-hater, with your made-up quotes taken from white supremist websites. There is no discussion of facts or logic with you. you are a confused, hate-filled person and I feel sorry for you.

      Zee - 2011-09-21 14:51

      So why do you have a problem with white supremists but not Zionist supremists?

  • Vredehoek Rentals - 2011-09-20 11:50

    Have you seen the Afrikaners on Carte Blanche living in Israel. As soon as RSA was liberated they moved on to their next Apartheid land. How can you live with so much hate in your heart.

      Moon God - 2011-09-20 12:21

      “You will indeed fight against the Jews and you will kill them to the point where the rock and the tree will say: ‘O Muslim! O ‘Abdullaah (slave of Allaah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.’ Except for al-Gharqad for it is from the trees of the Jews.” And you ask the question: "How can you live with so much hate in your heart?"

      Monacoroyals - 2011-09-20 12:33

      Afrikaners go to the Holy Land for religious purposes. If all Afrikaners’ are racist then all Arabs are terrorists. Even though most westerners agree with the latter it’s still a generalization and is wrong. Under Arab rule the only religion that was allowed to practice in Jerusalem was Islam… this is what true Apartheid is – the Arab world is full of racism and apartheid to Christians, Jews, Hindus Buddhists, women, gays and other small minorities.. Now that the Jews captured Jerusalem back after 2000 years in exile - every religion can practice as there is freedom of religion in Israel for the first time in centuries. The Jews went home – and there is nothing you, nor anyone can do about that – because that tiny piece of land is theirs, while the other 99.97% of the Middle East is yours… learn to deal with it.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 13:02

      My deepest sympathy in this conflict goes to the Palestinian Christians. The rest of the Christian world is absolutely convinced by evidence, selected for them from the Bible that suggests the Jews have a right to be in Palestine. Have they forsaken their own brothers and their Lord Jesus Christ in favour of the Jews? I mean for crying out loud, these are the people that chose Barabbas to be freed and Jesus to be crucified. Are you so sorry about what you did to these Jews in World War 2 that you feel you owe them something? Oh and in case you were thinking it, call me anti-semitic, but not racist, because Judaism is not a race! Christians are being played with complex mass psychology and don't even know it.

      BrassCopper - 2011-09-20 13:07

      Palestinian Christians support Israel - that is the sad fact on the ground

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 13:17

      Negro.please - firstly I don't think much of your name. I don't know what you intend by it, but it sounds like you are a racist. Secondly, you seem to think it is ok to be anti-Semitic. You certainly don't deny it. Thirdly, why do you say that Jewish people do not have the right to be in Palestine?

      Messenger - 2011-09-20 13:21

      negro.please, there are Palestinian Christians who support Israel: They are being mistreated and persecuted, by who? Jews? No, Muslims.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 13:33

      BrassCopper: If Palestinian Christans support Israel, why is there something called a Palestinian Christian? Should they not already be in Israel? If they were being mistreated by muslims all these centuries, why are their churches and holy shrines preserved to this day? BABaracus: I really don't care what you think of my nick. If by calling me racist, you mean white, as is the dreary argument that preoccupies South Africans, then you'll be surprised to know that I'm not. The nick is intended to colloquially indicate that I would like to disagree with you. You are old, I can tell. Can't disagree with your second point. They don't have the right to be there because Jews at the inception of Israel were not the ones that were dispersed originally. Surely you see the stupidity in asking the San to come and eject the white people from Cape Town? Well, I could go and make a propaganda video and put it up on the internet, that's not difficult to do. This is the complex psychology I am talking about.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 13:40

      Messenger: Got my Bible yesterday. Looking forward to the read :)

      WATCHMAN - 2011-09-20 13:47

      @Negro-Please, you would be well informed to go to the site of and read of how he, his mother, brothers and sisters were mistreated by his own family whilst his father was in prison in Israel. Yes by his own Muslim family, which caused him to turn to Jesus and Christianity. Read the book.

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 13:53

      Negro.please the reason Jews (those that follow the Jewish faith) need a Jewish state is because of people like you - people who freely admit to being anti-Semitic, in fact seem to think it is something to be proud of. The use of the word "Negro" is pejorative, regardless of your race, and I certainly do not equate "racist" with white. That was not my question at all. I don't care what colour or religion you are, I care that you are an anti-Semite. So let me understand your argument. You are saying that unless a Jewish person could somehow prove that he was a direct descendant of a Jewish person living 2000 years ago in Israel, he has no right to live there? And yes, I do see the stupidity of asking the San to come and eject white people in Cape Town. So by that rationale, the vast majority of Palestinians were not born in 1948. They were therefore not born in Israel. Therefore by your rationale, it would be stupid for them to eject Israelis who were born in Israel. Your logic dictates the exact opposite of what you are arguing.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 14:30

      BABaracus: Moving away from the racist issue, for verification of which I suggest you watch more black comedy, my issue is the CREATION of the state of Israel. If the original settlers came in and assimilated with the already existing population without the need to draw borders based on the assumption that they are God's chosen people, then we would not have this problem today. The word Sabra, meaning a person born in Israel, would have no need to exist. The fact of the matter is, Jews have been causing trouble everywhere they went, and experienced anti-semitism, hence we would have a holocaust to justify the creation of Israel. The same thing is being experienced in Europe today where the Muslims are judged because the don't assimilate to the satisfaction of the locals. Now, as to the source of my anti-semitism, it stems from the fact that a non-Jew will come and bomb you and you know he is your enemy. A Jew on the other hand will shake your hand and treat you as a friend but have a knife behind his back. Better the enemy you are aware of than the enemy who pretends to be a friend. Classic example, Bernie Madoff; takes billions of dollars from Americans and promises them great success and in the end when he gets caught, he doesn't know where the money is. I put it to you that that money has been funneled to Israel. So much for that initial handshake and promise! If everybody else is allowed to generalise, based on one video or website, I'm sure I can too!

      BABaracus - 2011-09-20 14:35

      Negro.please - Again, you make an illogical argument. You saw that Jewish people cause trouble wherever they go and don't assimilate (just like the Muslims), but you object to a Jewish state where Jewish people can all live together and stop causing all this trouble you talk of. I digress to add that the deliberate exclusion of Jewish people both physically (to ghettoes) and profesionally, was hardly a choice made by Jewish people themselves, and indeed many modern Jewish people consider themselves to be fully assimilated into the societies in which they live. Be that as it may, I prove to you that your arguments are illogical and all you can do is make Jew-hating comments. There is nothing to discuss or debate with someone who is a blatant Jew-hater and proud of it. I feel sorry for you because you have a confused, hate-filled, prejudiced mind, and I can only repeat that it is people like you who make it clear why a state of Israel, to protect and enforce the right of the Jews, is required.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 15:15

      BABaracus: That's one way to avoid the issue and admit you don't have any more ammunition to justify the oppression of the Palestinian people. But I'll respect your choice to withdraw from the discussion, just leaving you with the following answers to your statements. I'll keep them childish so you can easily understand them. My argument is illogical to you because you have blinkers on. Israel is a Jewish state, the people in there are not Jews, but follow some convoluted form of Judaism which makes it ok to have a nudist colony type gathering on the dead sea shore (google it). Your premise that they have been suffering for 2000 years because of forced segregation does not explain why the list of richest men in the world is littered with Jews. You've proved nothing in this debate except that you are a product of the Muslim hating propaganda that Rupert Murdoch has fed to you. If I don't explain my Jew hating (your words), how will you see my point. I 've been sitting on the sidelines listening to Muslim hating for the last 6 months. It's my turn now. The truth has to be spoken, even if it hurts your feelings. If you believe the truth is false, you should stay and debate it. I would throw words at you, however, it seems like there is no well publicised common term to describe a person who hates Muslims (who number 1 billion+) but there is one to describe hate towards Jews (who number ~15 million). You do the decide if you are being hypocritical or not. Cheers.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 15:19

      You might want to visit and follow a similar discussion there. If you believe the Lord Jesus Christ is your saviour and Messiah, I suggest you read your holy book and get the view which you should be holding regarding the Jews. Messenger's link also points out they are not the children of Israel, but rather you are. Well, that's the updated view at least.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 15:26

      As retarded as it is to post links on an opinion related forum, I have to, to guide BABaracus to look in the right place for an answer:

      Fragile - 2011-09-20 15:32

      negro your propaganda is old and tiresome.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 15:48

      Fragile: And so is the 2000 year old claim of homelessness that led to the state of Israel, but you don't hear me saying something that does not add to the value of the discussion. I'd say to you go and sit in the corner, but I'm afraid you might get lost on the way.

      Fragile - 2011-09-20 17:58

      you & your hot air...and so is the 64 year old claim of homelessness by the Arabs who own 99% of the land mass that is the Middle East. Israel the size of the Kruger is still too big for you racists. your a lost fart.

      negro.please - 2011-09-20 18:31

      2000 trumps 64, so you lose again. One fool leaves and another takes over. There should be an online IQ test on here for the people at sign-up for this forum. And a willingness to give their land to Julius Malema just because he said so. Oh, and giving yourself a thumbs up only shows us how much you love yourself. Or is that how much your hand loves you?

      negro.please - 2011-09-21 09:59

      Fragile: Sorry man, I can see now I was wrong and how I made that mistake. ARABIC 2000 = Latin MM and ARABIC 64 = Latin LXIV. So since LXIV has more digits, it must be bigger. Bloody misleading place value system. I guess you think 1 Rand is worth more than 10 Rand because it's made of metal, right?

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