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Netanyahu rejects Obama's Palestine call

2011-05-20 22:49

Washington - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly told President Barack Obama Friday that Israel could not accept his call to return to its "indefensible" 1967 borders to forge peace with the Palestinians.

In a dramatic Oval Office appearance after two hours of talks, which ran considerably over time, Netanyahu warned that a "peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle Eastern reality".

"The only peace that will endure is one that is based on reality, on unshakeable facts. I think for there to be peace, the Palestinians will have to accept some basic realities," a grim-faced Netanyahu said.

"We don't have a lot of margin for error, because Mr President, history will not give the Jewish people another chance."

Netanyahu said he would work with Obama to seek a secure peace for Israel, but also warned that Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas would have to choose between a new unity pact with the militant group Hamas or peace with Israel.

"I hope he makes the right choice," said Netanyahu, after aides had said before the meeting that the United States did not understand the realities on the ground facing Israel at a moment of extraordinary instability.

Throughout the Israeli leader's animated statement before the cameras, Obama watched Netanyahu impassively, from a nearby chair a few feet away, with his hand over his mouth.

Earlier, Obama had admitted that Israel and his administration had some "differences" over the way forward in the Middle East, and argued the "Arab spring" was both a moment of opportunity and peril for peacemaking.

He said that it was possible for the United States, the Palestinians and Israel to shape a deal allowing the Jewish state to secure its borders and not be vulnerable.

And he agreed with Netanyahu that "the Palestinians are going to have to answer some very difficult questions about this agreement that's been made between Fatah and Hamas".

Obama had said on Thursday that territorial lines in place before the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, combined with land-swaps, should be the basis for talks on a peace deal with the Palestinians.

Netanyahu has long opposed such a formulation, saying it would isolate major Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Comments
  • Marcell - 2011-05-21 03:43

    BO is sucking up to the arabs again. Oil?

      slg - 2011-05-21 03:49

      This is silly Marcel.

      louis - 2011-05-21 19:24

      Nice to see an Israeli PM standing up for himself though. Theyre usually so meek and apologetic. Why do people think that the 1967 borders are no longer in force? When they were there, the Arab peoples on every side of Israel tried to take advantage of the precarious position that those borders placed Israel in. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq all attacked Israel, but Israel won. Now the Arabs want that land back. They arent even pretending that this time is different. Have a look at a map. Whatever you think of Jews [and some people here dont seem to think very much of us], you cannot deny a country the right to defend itself, especially against such hostile 'neighbours'.

  • slg - 2011-05-21 03:46

    Unkess Netanyahu changes, he's going to get swept aside. The future has already been decided and his vision is out of sync with that.

      Cornix - 2011-05-21 04:22

      What future?

      ANTIZIONIST - 2011-05-21 15:25

      Could not agree more with you.The Israelis will very soon realise they are cornered and will be coming out guns blazing(nothing unusual)...God protect the innocent!!!

      customdesign - 2011-05-21 18:33

      time will tell

      slg - 2011-05-22 01:47

      Antizionist, I said Netanyahu not "the Israelis".

      Patrick - 2011-05-22 05:56

      Jewishness is a tendency towards segregation and a form of a supremacist ideology fuelled by choseness. No one is criticising Jews as people. And no one,except the Jews only cells,believes in trying to silence anyone. I believe in freedom of speech. I believe that vibrant discourse is crucial for any political or ideological movement.

  • Patrick - 2011-05-21 05:46

    This is the beginning of the end for israhell... soon it will be a faint and, pleasurably, distant memory. VIVA PALESTINA!!!!

      Grayman - 2011-05-21 07:21

      @Patrick: You might do well to read some historical books on Israel and the Israeli people. They go back thousands of years. Time after time Israel has been invaded, the people taken into exile, their cities destroyed, yet they have survived and prospered. It would be presumtious of me to take sides in the current territory dispute but it would be a sad day for the world if either the Israelis or the Palestinians were to become a faint and distant memory. May sanity prevail and a peaceful solution be found.

      slg - 2011-05-21 15:23

      The only one being disgusting is you Patrick. Vile in fact.

      ANTIZIONIST - 2011-05-21 15:58

      Israel ?....what is that?....cowards that used to stay in the Middle East ?

      customdesign - 2011-05-21 18:33

      Patrick- ur an idiot- look at history- what you said has be rehashed for centuries- and Israel is still here and will be when your body is rotting in a forgotten grave

      louis - 2011-05-21 19:31

      Just read the hate that is spewed on this site towards Jews and you can get an inkling into who wants peace and who doesnt.

      Cornix - 2011-05-21 21:17

      When will the enemies of Israel ever learn? Do they want another good beating? Why do they keep on provoking Israel like naughty children? God is with Israel! I am not a Jew, but a friend of the Jews. Down with anti-Semitism!!!

      slg - 2011-05-22 01:48

      It is not Patrick. You're being hateful and delusional.

      slg - 2011-05-22 01:49

      Antizionist, you are being an ignorant fool. You have no idea what you're talking about.

  • Ram - 2011-05-21 08:12

    Patrick - God said to Abram " I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse. So, if you want to be blessed you should believe God and be careful not to curse Isreal.

      Patrick - 2011-05-21 08:40

      Abram? Sounds like a Buy-Bull story.

      Truthseeker2 - 2011-05-22 22:59

      israel is an imposter state. the ashkenazi/european jews plundered and pillaged the land of palestine to create the rogue state that is called israel today. the ashenazi jews are not semites i.e not from the bloodline of the israelite people from the time of Moses. the true progeny of the semitic/ancient israelite people are the native palestinians. the ashkenazi jews must vacate from the territories they have stolen in palestine and return back to their actual homeland which is where the khazar empire was located in the caucasus region. God has promised the holy land to those who are just. The jews currently ruling over the holy land are murderous, barbarous criminals. Their oppression will however be coming to an end soon for the return of Jesus the messiah is around the corner.

  • ayubmy - 2011-05-21 09:08

    As a non white , I lived during apartheid in South Africa. The reality is that the Palestinians are bearing a thousand times a harsher life under isreali ocupation. Dont be fooled by what the western media tells you. Ask your fellow Christians, Muslims living in Palestine what life is all about... its a misery for them.

      Patrick - 2011-05-21 09:42

      Well said Ayub. ... the israhelli apologists will not see through the religious fervor that mists their minds to the complete horror of the Palestinian prison camp. On the other hand, Christians are physically spat upon DAILY in Tel Aviv and told to "get out". That is the mindset that pervades the interlopers of is-ra-hel.

      customdesign - 2011-05-21 18:30

      ayubmy- why do you describe yourself as a non-white? Does everything you are relate to what white people are? I don't call my self a non-black or a non-coloured or non-indian -get some self respect man

      Cornix - 2011-05-21 21:27

      "Christians are physically spat upon DAILY" Those "Christians" are so provocative.

      slg - 2011-05-22 02:01

      Because you're a non-white who lived under Apartheid, you see it that way. But you're missing a lot of the story here. As a start, look at the map. Israel is a tiny, tiny piece of land. Look at the huge amount of land that makes up the Middle East. There is plenty there to create Palestine. With the sweeping changes taking place in the Middle East that are replacing the tyrannical leaders who were using the Israeli issue to keep themselves in power, the chances of a peaceful and solution is increasing exponentially. It's early days still, but the trend is clear. Israel is there to stay. And the chances of a Palestine being firmed is increasing daily. The tyrants have to go. And they are.

  • Aldawaimeh - 2011-05-21 11:23

    Grayman.Do you want a history lesson i can give you some of the jewish history: 08/06/0065 - Jews revolt against Rome, capturing fortress of Antonia in Jerusalem 10/08/0070 - "2nd Temple" of Jews is set aflame (approx) 21/10/0335 - Constantinople emperor Constantine the Great rules laws against Jews 10/03/0418 - Jews are excluded from public office in the Roman Empire 09/11/0694 - Spanish King Egica accuses Jews of aiding Moslems/sentenced to slavery 18/05/1096 - Crusaders massacre Jews of Worm 25/06/1096 - 1st Crusade slaughter Jews of Werelinghofen Germany 16/07/1099 - Crusaders herd Jews of Jerusalem into a synagogue and set it afire 14/02/1130 - Jewish Cardinal Pietro Pierleone elected as anti-pope Anacletus II 26/03/1147 - Jewish community in Cologne fast to commemorate anti-Jewish violence 03/09/1189 - 30 Jews are mnassacred at King Richard I (lion hearted) coronation 16/03/1190 - Jews of York England commit mass sucide rather than submit to baptism 16/03/1190 - Crusades begin massacre of Jews of York England 17/03/1190 - Crusades complete massacre of Jews of York England 18/03/1190 - Crusaders kill 57 Jews in Bury St Edmonds England 15/07/1205 - Pope Innocent III states Jews are doomed to perpetual servitudea and subjugation due to crucifixion of Jesus 01/11/1210 - King John of England begins imprisoning Jews 02/01/1235 - Emperor Joseph II orders Jews of Galicia Austria to adopt family names 25/05/1241 - 1st attack on Jewish community of Frankfort-on-the-Main Germany 15/04/1250 - Pope Innoncent III refuses Jews of Cordova Spain to build a synagogue 23/07/1253 - Jews are expelled from Vienne France by order of Pope Innocent III 05/08/1264 - Anti-Jewish riots break out in Arnstadt Germany 09/02/1267 - Synod of Breslau orders Jews of Silesia to wear special caps 10/05/1267 - Vienna's church orders all Jews to wear a distinctive garb 01/09/1267 - Rabbi Moses Ben Nachman establishes a Jewish community in Jerusalem 19/06/1269 - King Louis IX of Frances decrees all Jews must wear a badge of shame 23/05/1275 - King Edward I of Engld orders cessation of persecution of French Jews 10/05/1278 - Jews of England imprisoned on charges of coining 17/11/1278 - 680 Jews arrested (293 hanged) in England for counterfeiting coins 12/10/1285 - 180 Jews refuse baptism in Munich Germany, they are set on fire 24/04/1288 - Jews of Yroyes France are accused of ritual murder 12/07/1290 - Jews are expelled from England by order of King Edward I 18/07/1290 - King Edward I of England orders expulsion of Jews 09/10/1290 - Last of 16,000 English Jews expelled by King Edward I, leaves 30/06/1294 - Jews are expelled from Berne Switzerland 24/06/1298 - Rindfleish Persecutions-Jews of Ifhauben Austria massacred 25/06/1298 - Rindfleish Persecutions-250 Jews killed in Rothenburg Germany 23/07/1298 - Rindfleish Persecutions-Jewish community Wurzburg Germany annihilated 23/07/1298 - Jews are massacred at Wurzburg Germany 19/10/1298 - Rindfleish-140 Jews of Heilbron Germany are murdered 22/07/1306 - King Phillip the Fair, orders expulsion of Jews out of France 21/08/1321 - 160 Jews of Chincon France, burned at stake 24/06/1322 - Jews are expelled from France for 3rd time 21/09/1348 - Jews in Zurich Switzerland are accused of poisoning wells 15/11/1348 - Rudolph of Oron claims Jews have confessed to poisoning wells 09/01/1349 - 700 Jews of Basel Switzerland, burned alive in their houses 30/01/1349 - Jews of Freilsburg Germany are massacred 13/02/1349 - Jews are expelled from Burgsordf Switzerland 22/02/1349 - Jews are expelled from Zurich Switzerland 21/03/1349 - 3,000 Jews killed in Black Death riots in Efurt Germany 22/03/1349 - Townspeople of Fulda Germany massacre Jews (blamed for black death) 30/04/1349 - Jewish community at Radolszell Germany, exterminated 28/05/1349 - 60 Jews murdered in Breslau Silesia 24/08/1349 - Jews of Cologne Germany set themselves on fire to avoid baptism 24/08/1349 - 6,000 Jews, blamed for the Plague, are killed in Mainz 10/09/1349 - Jews who survived a massacre in Constance Germany are burned to death 29/09/1349 - People of Krems Austria accuse Jews of poisoning wells 01/11/1349 - Duke of Brabant orders execution of all Jews in Brussels, accusing them of poisoning the wells

      Patrick - 2011-05-22 05:46

      Countries the jews were kicked out of... you have to ask yourself WHY??? Why have they been kicked out of countries so many times? No other nation ON EARTH has any such record. YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE 250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage 415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria 554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France) 561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France) 612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain 642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire 855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy 876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens 1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz 1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France 1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany 1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria 1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England 1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France 1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again) 1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany) 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary 1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary 1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium 1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia 1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg 1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany 1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France 1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons 1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne 1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy 1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz 1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg 1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands 1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands 1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria 1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France 1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau 1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg 1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz 1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz 1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw 1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy) 1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain 1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy 1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania 1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples 1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal 1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg 1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre 1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg 1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia 1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg 1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa 1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg 1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples 1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples 1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia 1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa 1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria 1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro 1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague 1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria 1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague 1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg 1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States 1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg 1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands 1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary 1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria 1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi 1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort 1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms 1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev 1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine 1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland 1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg 1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus) 1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania 1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa) 1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna 1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna 1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir 1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia 1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg 1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus) 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia 1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia 1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania) 1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux 1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia) 1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw 1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace 1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia 1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia) 1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen 1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria 1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen 1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia 1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1] 1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania 1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia 1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow 1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews) 1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas 1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

      slg - 2011-05-26 01:26

      Where do you live Patrick? Address please.

  • nateco - 2011-05-21 12:43

    It is very fortunate that none of you have any say as to what is going to happen in the middle east! You are a bunch of hateful and blinded individuals who have no place in any free society.

  • Wayne - 2011-05-21 13:51

    Good one Israel. Taking kak from the Muslims is not a negotiation...American or the Palestinian terrorists.

      Patrick - 2011-05-22 05:36

      Oi! The ZioLoons come out to play.

      ANC Ancestor - 2011-05-23 02:37

      @Patric I cannot understand your hatred for the Jews. I don't know much about Jewish history, but I do know WWII history very well, and how the Jews were treated by the Nazis was nothing short of a disgrace to put it mildly, yet you seem to approve of it. How did a Jew wrong you that you hate them so much? I personally know Jews and they are kind, descent and smart people.

      slg - 2011-05-26 01:29

      Well said ANC. Patrick is a loser with half a brain-cell. That's why he is so prejudiced. He doesn't realize that he himself has a Jewish heritage. We live multiple lifetimes in all kinds of cultures and religions.

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