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No Israel talks without settlement freeze

2012-02-12 21:51

Cairo - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has told the Arab League he will not resume peace talks without an Israeli settlement freeze.

Abbas is under international pressure to resume low-level border talks that began last month. However, his comments on Sunday seemed to close the door to further negotiations because Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly rejected a settlement freeze, as well as a demand to accept Israel's pre-1967 war frontier as the basis for a border with a future Palestine.

Abbas says he is sending a letter to Netanyahu with his demands for resuming negotiations. In case of a negative response, Abbas said he will resume the campaign for recognition of a state of Palestine by the UN.

Comments
  • Godfrey - 2012-02-13 04:23

    I agree with the Palestinians on this one. I support Israel's absolute right to exist but within the borders prior to the 1967 war. Building settlements on what was Palestinian land is provocative theft and makes any chance of peace in the region ever more remote. OK, the nutter anti-peace brigade can now howl at me about terrorism and Hamas or whatever else to justify Israel's actions.

      Larry - 2012-02-13 06:01

      I will explain to you quietly, Godfrey. In 1967 Israel was attacked by Jordan, Egypt and Syria - not the other way round. These agressors took up arms against Israel and thereby suffered the virdict of Arms according to universally accepted Laws of War. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt under a long-standing peace deal, ditto with Jordan; retains the Golan Heights in the absence of peace with Syria - and all the rest is history. Israel won the West Bank in war and occupies it legitimately. Just as with the Sinai, Israel wishes to return this land to the recently formed Palestinian people, but under certain conditions. The Palestinians will not be laying down the terms for these conditions. They are not in any position to do so. Their hard-line stance is ill-informed. Israel has created strategic facts on the ground to ensure that its future security is better managed territorially, and this, along with East Jerusalem, will not be relinquished. There is nothing you or the Palestinians can do about it, besides howling. Too bad.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 07:29

      I do not need a history lesson from you - I am well aware of the history of Israel. Fact of the matter and the point I am making is that Israel has no right to build settlements outside of the 1967 borders and there can never be any chance of a negotiated settlement for so long as they provocatively continue to do so. I am equally aware that the Palestinians cannot expect Israel to feel secure for so long as they do not recognise Israel's absolute right to exist and do nothing to clamp down on terrorists acts directed at Israel. "Too bad", you say I seem to remember BJ Vorster and Vervoerd expressing similar sentiments and refusing to negotiate in the 60's and 70's. And Gadaffi, Saddam, and .......................... History has a strange way of always repeating itself. Being hard arsed is a recipe for eventual disaster when you lose everything.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 07:44

      @Patrick Your last comment. Exactly.

  • Jaba - 2012-02-13 06:35

    President Mahmoud Abbas has told the Arab League he will not resume peace talks without (..........insert another excuse..........) This being the first time in history that the 'weaker' side of a conflict dictates the goal posts. if it was not this excuse it would of been another one... the Palestinians have proved time and time again that peace is not their objective by missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. to see their true objective go Google Hamas' charter... you will soon grasp that we will never see peace in the Middle East as its not an option for the Palestinian leadership.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 07:46

      The President of Israel has told the the United Nations he will not resume peace talks without (..........insert another excuse..........) This being the first time in history that the 'weaker' side of a conflict dictates the goal posts. if it was not this excuse it would of been another one... the Israelis have proved time and time again that peace is not their objective by missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. to see their true objective go Google Jewish Fundamentalist... you will soon grasp that we will never see peace in the Middle East as its not an option for the Israeli leadership. There, fixed in an even handed way.

      Jaba - 2012-02-13 08:21

      The President of Israel is only a figurehead - not a decision maker, you lack much knowledge godfrey. The Israelis want peace and that’s the long & short of it. Any other country that faced such threats (Hamas promising to kill every Israeli) would have annihilated their enemy decades ago - but not Israel (Israel does have the military might to do so but never has). If the US, UK, Turkey China atc faced a weak enemy bent on their destruction, they would of wiped them off the face of the earth - just look at what Turkey has done to the Armenians & now busy doing to the Kurds or how China has killed hundreds of thousands in Tibet without the world lifting an eyelid.. Fact is, Israel's high moral ground and value for life is the only reason why there are Palestinians today demanding a state – which they will get by the way, when they realise that peace, and not war that will lead them to freedom. For now though their religious fundamentalist’s leadership will lead them to more suffering. Self inflicted suffering is an infection that they will either die from or heal from.

      Fidel - 2012-02-13 09:08

      Yes, they want a 'piece' of Lebanon; a 'piece' of Syria; a 'piece' of Iraq; a 'piece' of Saudi Arabia; a 'piece' of Egypt; a 'piece' of Jordan and whatever is left of the 'pieces' in Palestine after they get through 'wiping Gaza off the face of the Earth.'

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 10:32

      @Jaba How should I interpret, "Fact is, Israel's high moral ground and value for life is the only reason why there are Palestinians today"? Are you suggesting that Israel has the high moral ground because they have not committed wholesale genocide on defeated foes (like the Jewish God recommends) or because when they go about one of the "punishment" incursions into neighbouring territories they don't kill everyone they encounter? And stealing land from defenceless people is highly moral? I think not.

  • Jacques Jacobs - 2012-02-13 07:18

    Untill any of you have lived there you do not have a right to comment. I lived there for five years and the Palestinians are not the 'terrorists' that Israel and the world make them out to be. They get treated worse than the Apartheid government EVER treated the blacks and you expect them NOT to lash out. Good for them for standing up for themselves in a peaceful manner for a change and demanding a freeze of development on what should be their land. Screw any of you that sit here, safe in SA and supports the opressors.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 07:49

      "Untill any of you have lived there you do not have a right to comment". Yeah, right. The rest of what you have written is equally biased and patently false. "standing up for themselves in a peaceful manner". Jeez, who do you expect to swallow that Mr "I lived there" expert?

      Jaba - 2012-02-13 08:50

      lol godfrey why the sudden change of heart? Dear Mr "I lived there" expert. How is a war between two nations worse than Apartheid? Maybe because it is! However according to the Palestinians, their self inflicted oppression will only end once Israel is destroyed. yes... the war will continue until the Palestinians change their leadership to a peaceful one. BTW, if you call firing rockets, blowing up buses/coffee shops etc, throwing rocks and planning to "kill all the Jews of the Middle East" (taken from Hamas's charter) as peaceful, than I can understand your state of mind and passion that the problem is with the Israelis. Also, if you call Israeli self defence initiatives like jacked-up border posts and huge walls instead of a fence as a border, as apartheid look-alike cruelty than the Israelis will laugh at you for as long as they are safe, your tree hugging leftist brain doesn’t seem to bug them much. I will go further to say that people like you, who cheer on Palestinians’ stubbornness at never making peace have much blood on your hands – indirectly of coarse.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 10:33

      @Jaba No change of heart. I do not support one side or the other. Both are lead by doltish, brain addled, religious loons.

      Larry - 2012-02-13 10:55

      Between 1948 and 1967, the West bank was annexed and 'occupied' by Jordan, with no complaint from so-called Palestinians. After the 1967 war, Jordan scampered back to their side of the river and the area become a stateless territory with areas under 'dispute' between Israel and the Arab inhabitants who now call themselves Palestinians. The Palestinians have nothing but can gain something IF they learn to behave. They do not have the leverage or the fire-power to effect change to their advantage, so they need to capitulate to Israels needs. Finish and klaar. Israel can sit with the current situation, continue to build as and when it pleases, until the Arabs get the message. Please get the message and stop being stupid about it.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 11:02

      @Larry I assume that also reflects the prevailing Israeli attitude. No wonder there will never be peace. Time, unfortunately is against Israel but their leaders are too dolt headed to realise it.

      Fidel - 2012-02-13 11:36

      @Godfrey Panetta to Netanyahu: Israel May Not Survive the Current Arab/Islamic Awakening "There's not much question in my mind that they maintain that (military) edge. But the question you have to ask he added is: was it enough to maintain a military edge, if you're isolating yourself in the diplomatic arena?At this dramatic time in the Middle East, when there have been so many changes, it's not a good situation for Israel to become increasingly isolated. And that is what's happening," he said. "As reported at the time, the CIA Report predicted the demise of Israel within 20 years, if present political trends in the region continued." "President Obama sent Panetta to engage in frank discussions which included the White House displeasure at Netanyahu’s repeated humiliation of the President over the past 18 months and Israeli threats to cut off Jewish aid to Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29350.htm

      Fidel - 2012-02-13 11:37

      @Larry Not if the US puts Israel on a crush diet.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:37

      @Fidel The crux of the issue is good faith on both sides. Neither believes the other is negotiating in good faith. It needs a impasse breaker and I think the Palestinians have a golden opportunity to take the lead and gain credibility and good will. Simply announce that all Palestinian parties, Fatah and Hamas, recognise Israel's right to exist within the 1967 borders and get as many Arab countries to sign up to that as possible (forget Iran - non-Arab and led by fiends). That will pull the carpet firmly from under Israeli intransigence and could well start some real negotiations towards a compromise. The alternative is continued hatred and mindless killing. Problem is have the Palestinian leaders the guts and the will to do that. I some how doubt it.

      Fidel - 2012-02-13 12:48

      I concur with you and have a suspicion that Hamas may actually like the status qou as it gives them power and access to millions of dollars. It sometimes happens that the so-called liberation movements find comfort and power during times of conflict and never wish to relinquish this status in which case they become bandits, as is being experienced currently in Africa in the Congo delta and some parts of South East Asia.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 13:58

      @Fidel Same as the IRA. Some people remain terrorists because that is all they know and that is where they earn their income. We may markedly differ on some issues but share much in common on this thorny issue.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-13 12:06

    LARRY, blow it out of another hole will you? "suffered the virdict of Arms according to universally accepted Laws of War" where do you suck this sh*t from? this has not be the accepted law of war since the second world war. Israel with US bulldozer tactics has however occupied land it is not entitled to and is the sole cause of 90% of the problems that arise in the middle east. The European Jews of the Holocaust story were descendants of the Khazar and have no legal claim to either land in the middle east of the lands of the sons of Abraham who they are not. The US did not have authority to give them land in the middle east and should have set up a homeland in German territory. This does not distract from the horrors committed by Islamic terrorists and neither should it, however one does not justify the other.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-13 12:58

      Oh dear, A holocaust denier to boot. Figures.

      Larry - 2012-02-13 13:30

      Israel has proven its ability to exist on many occasions and grows stronger by the minute. Its long-term ally the USA will offer undying support because American people love Israel. Even if this changes, Israel will continue to flourish. It does no regional exporting to hostile Middle East, and has developed a massive economy in tech and finance in which it deals with the rest of the world. Israel has more start-ups than all of Europe, South Korea and Japan combined. Even if isolated completely, it will succeed. Furthermore, 60% of all Jewish Israelis are Arab Jews, the progeny of those 800 000 expelled from neighboring Arab countries pre and post 1948. Ludlow, just get yourself a copy of the UN Convention on warfare. It is still applicable today. You guys are just hurting yourselves. Israel is strong, will remain so, and will dictate the terms of any settlement with the Palestinians, and decisively deal with Iran if it must.

      Larry - 2012-02-13 18:19

      Patrick, I fear that you are on the side of militant Islam, the same that brought the Twin Towers to destruction. Have no fear, Israel will have setbacks and the barbarian will always be at the gate. But Israel will endure. Attitude is everything, and besides there is no stronger nation in the region from a humanitarian perspective. We have plenty to teach the world, including you. Presidents/prime Ministers will come and go, but in democracy's like the USA and Israel, they serve the will of the people. Israel needs a strong no nonsense leader, and Bibi serves them well. Obama will play politics and believe me he knows that an anti-Israel administration will be booted out of office. Anyway, the Democrats have had their chance and the Republicans are coming. Israel is smiling upon all of you.

      Larry - 2012-02-14 10:36

      Patrick. I am an atheist Jew. I support Israel as the national homeland for my people.

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