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Obama backs same-sex marriage

2012-05-09 22:19

Washington - Barack Obama became the first US president on Wednesday to say publicly he was in favor of same-sex marriage, in a high-stakes intervention in a pre-election debate roiling American politics.

In what supporters will hail as a historic moment in civil rights history, Obama changed his stance, after previously saying he was "evolving" on gay marriage, a fiercely divisive issue in US politics.

"I've just concluded, for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married," Obama said in an interview with ABC News.

The president said however that a decision on whether to legalise gay marriage should be left to individual states. He also talked about how he and his wife Michelle had squared his decision with their faith.

"We are both practising Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others," he said.

"But it's also the Golden Rule, you know - treat others the way you would want to be treated."

Obama, who previously backed strong protections for gay and lesbian couples but not full marriage, said his position had evolved after talking to his two daughters Malia and Sasha who had friends who had same-sex parents.

"It wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently. It doesn't make sense to them and frankly, that's the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective," Obama said in the interview.

Obama came under increasing political pressure on gay marriage after Vice President Joe Biden said on NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday that he was "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex marriage.

Key blocs oppose

Some political analysts have warned that Obama could be entering a political minefield, with some key voting blocs in swing states that he hopes to court in November's election opposing gay marriage.

On Tuesday, voters in North Carolina, a state Obama narrowly carried in the 2008 election, approved a state constitutional amendment forbidding gay marriages, civil unions and domestic partnerships.

The measure was passed by 61% to 39% after similar state constitutional amendments had been approved in some 30 US states.

The amendment solidifies and expands already enacted North Carolina law forbidding same-sex marriage.

Religious conservatives will likely condemn Obama for his move, which will set up an interesting bout with Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney for the affections of independent voters on the issue.

Romney said on Wednesday he did not "favour marriage between people of the same gender," and also opposed civil unions.

Republican strategists have in the past used gay marriage as a "wedge issue" to inject cultural issues into narrow elections in swing states.

But there are signs that broader public opinion on gay marriage is moderating, though conservative groups are redoubling efforts to thwart the pro-gay lobby, seeking constitutional bans on gay marriage.

In a Gallup poll conducted between May 3 and 6, 50% of Americans said they backed gay marriage, while 48% said it should not be legalised.

Major turning point

Gay rights supporters praised Obama for his move, which may have the potential to fire up his political base, which had been less excited about his re-election bid than it was about his first candidacy four years ago.

"President Obama made history by boldly stating that gay and lesbian Americans should be fully and equally part of the fabric of American society," said Joe Solmonese of the Human Rights Campaign.

"His presidency has shown that our nation can move beyond its shameful history of discrimination and injustice.

"President Obama extends that message of hope to a generation of young lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans, helping them understand that they too can be who they are and flourish as part of the American community."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg also praised Obama's move.

"This is a major turning point in the history of American civil rights," Bloomberg said.

"No American president has ever supported a major expansion of civil rights that has not ultimately been adopted by the American people - and I have no doubt that this will be no exception."

Rea Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, said: "Congratulations, Mr President, for making history today by becoming the first sitting president to explicitly support marriage for same-sex couples."

Comments
  • Innocent - 2012-05-09 22:29

    MR Obama he clever as approach national general election,he is looking a vote for gay and lesbian,that why change singing tune.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-05-09 22:49

      Innocent, Looking for votes.......? Off course !! Still a great decision !!! ""Treat others the way you would want to be treated""

      xozamandi - 2012-05-09 23:07

      Ino well spotted mate, that's exactly what I was gonna say, pressure is mounting no more talking about Iraq and Afghanistan coz he has failed on that...

      Juan - 2012-05-10 02:37

      I think that's hardly the case. America has a very large conservative voter base and he is likely to lose votes rather than gain votes overall. People should not be dictated to by government or religious institutions who they want to choose as their partners, that is every individual's right to choose for themselves. This is progressive thinking by President Obama and fully within the spirit of a free society.

      Juan - 2012-05-10 02:46

      @xoza that's not the case at all. He promised that he would pull the US troops out of Iraq and he did so. The draw down of troops in Afghanistan are also in effect, and America have made significant inroads in weakening the Taliban and Al Queda under his administration. Where exactly has he failed?

      Colin - 2012-05-10 02:54

      Looking for votes? In bible bashing America? Is there not a reason that no president before him has taken this stance in bible bashing America?? Besides isn't the point of your campaigns and debates before an election to garner votes? Just don't think this one will win many in bible bashing America!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:37

      Well he has lost my vote!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 05:11

      Exactly the opposite. This may cost him the election.

      Pagel - 2012-05-10 07:20

      @Sipho: You have a vote?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:34

      Yes, my vote of confidence!

      Dinonofopico - 2012-05-10 18:37

      @Juan he spent 5trillion in three years and his predecessor spent it in 8 years. he promised to decrease the deficit by the end of his first term but he did not. Al qaeda was already weak when he came to power dont fool yourself. The american economy is not better than it was, it remains more or the same as it was when he went to office. The stimulus has not been successful as he said it would. he over promised and he could not keep the important ones

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 20:02

      //The american economy is not better than it was, it remains more or the same as it was when he went to office.// In the middle of the worst world wide recession for almost a hundred years, I'd say that's fairly successful. Certainly way better than his predecessor taking a surplus and turning into a multi-trillion debt mountain without a recession.

      Dinonofopico - 2012-05-10 20:28

      "In the middle of the worst world wide recession for almost a hundred years, I'd say that's fairly successful." @sunshine--successful not improving the situation you said u would? I dont consider that successful. The bottomline is he said he will improve the situation within four years look at his campain speeches. And his predecessor was a war president how can u keep a surplus if u r at war?

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 21:33

      Haha find me one politician who kept all their promises. How can one President fix his globalised economy in a world wide recession? He's done a lot better than Europe.

      Schmee - 2012-05-11 09:22

      Sadly this open-minded stance is going to cost him the election.

      Johan - 2012-05-11 12:17

      LOL @ Sipho - So I assume you do not back the ANC then? It was the ANC that legalized same sex marriage in our country years ago! Anyway - Why are people so obsessed with gays anyway. Leave them, they do not affect society and people worry too much about what goes on in others lives.

      jmlongwe - 2012-05-11 20:33

      I have no problems with gays but they must just take responsibility for whom they are. No one was born straight or gay, you were an empty vessel, everything you are today is what you learnt, hereditary. Should we now say that a criminal is born a criminal? No. If even animals as you claim show gay tendencies does not mean they were born that way. EVERYTHING is learnt via observation or experimentation, so you either oberved it and liked it, or you experimented and liked it, full stop, take responsibility for your life.

  • thb.herbert - 2012-05-09 22:43

    realy? Yaa neh

  • arne.verhoef - 2012-05-09 22:45

    Bravo!! Well done Mr. Obama!

      zaatheist - 2012-05-10 03:54

      There is no difference between the current homophobes and the christian racist bigots who supported slavery 150 years ago and Apartheid more recently. Christian racists now wish to apply the same discrimination against homosexuals and other people who differ from them. The bigotry and cruelty is identical. “Nothing optional—from homosexuality to adultery—is ever made punishable unless those who do the prohibiting (and exact the fierce punishments) have a repressed desire to participate. As Shakespeare put it in King Lear, the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offense for which he plies the lash.” -- Christopher Hitchens

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:41

      atheist, you are confusing the issues, apartheid and homosexuality are two different issues, as you like reading books, perhaps read the Bible as well?

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-10 05:20

      No he isnt Sipho, he is making a very valid point. Its about freedom, and freedom is holistic, its not self righteous and selective. Who are YOU to take away another man's freedom, Sipho?

      Marion - 2012-05-10 07:35

      @Sipho - I read my Bible. I talk to God then I listen for God's guidance. Not once has He told me that homosexuals are an abomination in His eyes. My gay friends are some of the nicest people I know. Go watch this video if you are one of those concerned about the effects of gay marriage and adoption on children of GLBT's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQQK2Vuf9Q Insofar as penises and vaginas go, what two consenting adults do sexually has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:45

      Sipho, Really? What's the difference ? Both are genetic in origin.

      zaatheist - 2012-05-10 08:02

      @Sipho I bet I know your bible better than you do. Do you deny that the Apartheid government used the bible to support their racism? DO you deny that you god in fact support slavery. When some religious people want to use ancient texts to justify acting upon their prejudices, citing the book of Leviticus suits them just fine. On the other hand, when such people want to indulge in practices prohibited by those same ancient texts, ignoring the bible suits them just fine. For example, Leviticus. Particularly the bit about no tattoos. It's amusing stuff. I frequently wonder why, among the many rules and prescriptions therein, Christians don't sacrifice oxen or go to the "priest" to be inspected for "white marks". It's all there, right next to the warning regarding the abomination of homosexuality

      Dinonofopico - 2012-05-10 18:18

      "There is no difference between the current homophobes and the christian racist bigots who supported slavery 150 years ago and Apartheid more recently" @Zaatheist Abolitionists were Christians and mostly fundamentalists and evangilicals. YOu dont know much or nothing about christianity as you think u do. Please next time you start bashing "evil christians" get you fact staight How the hell can one be something and do the opposite? how good and bad live together? Slavery was opposed by christians in america and the uk. John newton oppossed slavery after being a christian.

      Benn - 2012-05-10 18:56

      Zaatheist- Do you really think that the Living God cares what you, a whimp, thinks of Him. Each one of us will stand before Him and you will confess that He is Lord, guaranteed.Then you can tell Him what you think of him, but my guess is that you are going to be very quite, until you see your destination.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:07

      Yeah but which god Benn, there are so many?

      Benn - 2012-05-11 06:02

      Sure, and my grandfather is the pope. I said the Living God.

      TheMark - 2012-05-11 10:54

      Benn, You would really make my live easier by telling me which exactly is the living God, because I can't seem to find Him. And yes, I am knocking, and I am seeking, but no answer yet...

      Gordon - 2012-05-11 11:35

      Benn - took them bloody long enough!! Pretty tough to claim the credit!

  • Lerato - 2012-05-09 22:51

    I'm sure he would love it if both his daughters turn to be married lesbians

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-09 22:52

      Im sure he will, they will still be his daughters, right?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:03

      Why do they want to marry? What can they produce out of a marriage like that?

      Charlie - 2012-05-10 07:30

      Sipho, I can not help but notice that majority of the homophobic comments come from the African community... Also happens to be the mentality of those who thinks that they will 'cure' a lesbian by raping her...

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:36

      Well Samurai I have been accused by arne to be a white male so ....

      Marion - 2012-05-10 07:42

      @Sipho - If marriage is only for procreation I guess that you never just have sex for fun. Marriage is a life-long (hahaha check the divorce rates between heterosexuals) commitment to someone you love. A commitment that you will not engage in relationships outside that union. Talking about divorce rates, isn't it also against biblical principles to get divorced? Or is 'who God has joined together let no man put asunder' just another man-made law?

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:36

      @Sipho - Wouldn't be surprised if you're one of those men who likes to watch threesome porn movies... or lusts after your neighbour's wife or sexy teenage daughter... or thinks about another woman (man?) when 'making love' to your own girlfriend/wife...

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:21

      Who says I'm a man?

      Marion - 2012-05-10 10:24

      @Sipho - your name does troll.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:08

      Sipho, //What can they produce out of a marriage like that?// Love

  • lwando.poni - 2012-05-09 22:51

    The only question one should ask themselves is who they think they are to deny other people's rights. Its sheer and utter arrogance that you think you can dictate what others can do with their lives, get over yourselves, you're not that important.

      nikki.bodenstein - 2012-05-09 23:11

      Well said.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:08

      Iwando this is making a mockery of those of us who do believe in the sanctity of marriage - the union between one man and one woman!

      Charlie - 2012-05-10 07:30

      Yeah, Sipho. As your president so clearly displays and 'respects'

      Munga - 2012-05-10 07:34

      I think people must know what's rights we are two group of peoples on under the sky let those believe wrong as right do so and those believe right as real right do so because each of them has his /her reward or punishment upon them not done by people but done by GOD(JEHOVA)

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:36

      Well at least he doesn't have a taste for men!

      Pulverturm - 2012-05-10 07:38

      Sipho, doesn't our current president then make a mockery of it too? Are you against polygamy too or is it just homosexuality that reserve such backward thinking for?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:46

      Spho, The sanctity of marriage? Whahahahahaha

      lwando.poni - 2012-05-10 08:17

      @Sipho, and who exactly decided that? South Africa is not a Christian state as some of you believe, its a DEMOCRACY. If you want to preserve marriage so much why arent you picketting against people who divorce?... people's arrogance amuses me.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:09

      How is Love revolting?

      Johan - 2012-05-11 12:23

      Sipho and other - Homosexual people can produce children. But I am so thankful that many people these days, do not have kids. People seem to think that "god" put us on earth to multiply. We live in a rotten, overpopulated planet at the moment. People, especially in Africa, just pop out babies, for the sake of ... well popping out babies. Children get abandoned, left on the streets and turn to crime. It is not our right or duty to just pop out kids. We need to think before we bring children into this world. And homosexuals who do not have children, is better in my eyes than a woman who has 6 kids that begs on the street corner.

      jmlongwe - 2012-05-11 21:26

      So if i decide to marry my dog, because i love him, lol wont you deny me my rights or judge me?

      Charlie - 2012-05-25 07:48

      mangz, if your dog is a CONSENTING ADULT - sure, why not?

  • CAPEGTOWN - 2012-05-09 23:02

    Sexuality does not define what type of person you are, I'm really surprised by some of the comments below. I thought as a rainbow nation we would've learnt that we should not judge people according to their appearance! Massive respect for Obama, like Mandela, he'speaks from the heart and is willing to voice his opinion, no matter how controversial.

      nikki.bodenstein - 2012-05-09 23:12

      Couldn't agree more.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 05:13

      Sipho, you're a bigot and a racist. There is no place for this in SA and the world. Enlighten yourself.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:31

      fred: any proof that I am a "racist"? ... and why am I a bigot? Everyone else is giving their opinion? I think the truth I speak is what is getting you!

      Munga - 2012-05-10 07:13

      We don't judge you if my self I judge about this is death penalty but because we don't judge you you still alive is only JEHOVA is going to Judge one day keep on doing that you believe in it!!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-10 07:48

      @Sipho - big·ot (b g t). n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. What they do to each other has nothing to do with you. What do you think heterosexuals do to each other when having sex? Missionary position only?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:48

      Sipho, Hollow statements. Back up your so called truth. Homosexuality is no abomination, and I can prove that. But first, I want your proof.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:32

      It seems most people reading this newspaper are gay ... or is it easier to just agree to everything ?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:38

      Sipho, Pointless red herring. Now back up your truth with some evidence

      Carla - 2012-05-10 11:11

      @Sipho - if your child comes home one day and tells you that he/she is a homosexual, what will you do?

      atholl.hay - 2012-05-10 13:50

      Do not lower yourselves to engage with this idiot troll who calls himself/herself Sipho and spews his/her ignorance and bigotry from behind a false Facebook profile.

  • nikki.bodenstein - 2012-05-09 23:10

    well done Mr. President! it's the right thing to do!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:44

      He lost my vote!

      morne.jordaan.7 - 2012-05-10 06:44

      Wow Sipho, I'm sure that's a big loss for him... Personally I think it is the correct decision by Obama... Don't judge someone because something they do is condemned by your religion... Or because it is outside your comfort zone...

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:49

      Sipho, I'm sure he won't mind.

      John - 2012-05-10 12:25

      Sipho...STFU are you even american to vote? Stop trolling

  • rowen.loretz - 2012-05-09 23:16

    God created marriage between man and woman. Man has created same sex marriage. I don't support his views, that does not mean i hate gays or lesbians as I too am not without fault and I too have sinned. I just don't think we should turn something God created into this. Now go ahead and thumbs down me.

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-09 23:21

      Your username describes your mentality. "Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience" So why bother with you?

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-05-09 23:30

      You don't hate gays but you don't think they should have the same rights as straight people...

      Tumisang - 2012-05-09 23:30

      I thumbs up you on this one....very good point...

      mbossenger - 2012-05-09 23:36

      "God created marriage between man and woman" - please substantiate this assertion

      Will - 2012-05-09 23:49

      Man also created divorces - but I bet you don't have an issue with that.

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-05-10 01:16

      @Mbossenger-For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is aginst nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men commiting what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due(Romans 1v26-27). You shall not lie with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal to defile yourself with it. It is perversion (Leviticus 18v22-23)

      Juan - 2012-05-10 02:54

      Man created pretty much everything; marriage,divorce and even the bible or the quran. The desire to be with the soulmate of your choice, now that's something that God created, and it's "hardwired" into our brains.

      zaatheist - 2012-05-10 03:59

      When some religious people want to use ancient texts to justify acting upon their prejudices, citing the book of Leviticus suits them just fine. On the other hand, when such people want to indulge in practices prohibited by those same ancient texts, ignoring the bible suits them just fine. For example, Leviticus. Particularly the bit about no tattoos. It's amusing stuff. I frequently wonder why, among the many rules and prescriptions therein, Christians don't sacrifice oxen or go to the "priest" to be inspected for "white marks". It's all there, right next to the warning regarding the abomination of homosexuality At some point in the future, an entire nation of people will look back and wonder how could people be so blind, as to deny others the rights they themselves enjoy.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:49

      @atheist I'm asking myself how two men together can "enjoy" themselves ... sis man! There's nothing nicer and more enjoyable than a man and a woman "together" !

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:33

      You know arne.verhoef your reactions to comments show you really have a problem ... did you not receive enough love as a child at home perhaps? Please allow people their opinions!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:24

      My opinion is you're a bigoted, ignorant person who is dimmly lit. Anyone who has such hurtful prejudice has a long way to go.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-05-10 13:05

      Arne Verhoef - i am allowed to express my opinion and so are you. That does not mean you can go and call me an idiot. It seems you have 'issues' cause your name appears all over this forum.

      CAPEGTOWN - 2012-05-10 19:04

      @ekblimsemvirjou - Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. How many of your christian priests have dabbled with same sex pedofilia.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-05-10 20:29

      @ Will...yes man did create divorces, does not mean God did. Like i said before, i am not without fault...Jesus still loves you gays..., but it is important to live by God's way and not OUR way.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-05-10 20:32

      @ CAPEGTOWN ...man made religion too. I will rather not reply to the others cause their arguments are invalid.

      Phoenix - 2012-05-12 00:21

      Man created God. Your argument is invalid.

  • Kwajo.m - 2012-05-09 23:24

    They have arrived and the end is near

      mbossenger - 2012-05-09 23:45

      The gays are going to cause the world to end?

      johanttblom - 2012-05-10 00:59

      Yes don't you know we have super powers :P

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:50

      Lol....yes I'm teleporting there right now.

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:28

      @Kwajo - get ready to put your head between your legs and prepare to kiss your butt goodbye when Apophis passes the earth... For it has arrived and the end is near... well, it could be.

  • Piet - 2012-05-09 23:35

    Sies ! I think you will b the first and the last !

  • Peter - 2012-05-09 23:45

    I just wish that we had a president who was as wise as Obama.

  • diran.pillay - 2012-05-09 23:53

    if he's trying to get votes from the american people ? This was a bad move for Obama

  • Tshepho - 2012-05-10 00:06

    Obama is risking a loss in presidential election by supporting homosexual 'marriage'.i think he is treading dangerous ground.i supposed he was a christian.there are people who want to ridicule marriage,even here in rsa.marriage is between a man

      maree.dupreez - 2012-05-10 02:52

      You are probably one of those South Africans who believe that gays should not have the same rights as hetrosexual South Africans and that our country's constitution should be altered accordingly? So much for our country fighting for equality for centuries! Shame on you Tshepho.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:52

      @maree what right are you talking about? Isn't it about the despicable act rather? Two men together, sis man, nothing as nice as a man and a woman, those who don't like that surely have a screw loose!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:25

      More ignorant and immature prejudice from you Sipho.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:40

      ok fred tell us what do you and your male partner do?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:55

      Sipho, Inbox me for the details with photo's and videos. lol

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:03

      @Sipho - If my husband and I were introduced to you would you be trying to visualize what we do when we have sex? I hope the answer is no. Why do you focus so much on the sexual relationships of gays? Why don't you focus on the love they have for each other? Also, how would you know that there is nothing as nice as a man and a woman together?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:37

      Lol marion "love" you mean lust! I "love" my brother, doesn't mean I want to have sex with him, with gays it is about LUST and nothing else, they are afraid of the other sex! Self gratification!

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:44

      @Sipho - oh pure heterosexual male, I guess you've never lusted after a woman hey! Particularly one who was not your wife/girlfriend.

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 09:25

      Sipho, That is pathetic reasoning.Love is universal.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:27

      Marion : lust for the same sex .... like you unnaturally have for your girlfriend, did your ex abuse you too much and you found salvation in the "arms" of a female ... shame!

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 09:57

      Sipho, Like you are abusing your literary faculties right now?

      joanne.fairbrother - 2012-05-10 10:37

      @Sipho You seem a little too obsessed with gay sex. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:27

      Sipho, //with gays it is about LUST and nothing else// How would you know that if you're straight? Maybe you're not telling us everything.

  • arne.verhoef - 2012-05-10 00:19

    "Homophobia:The fear that a man might treat you the way you do your women"

      zaatheist - 2012-05-10 03:56

      Great quote

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:53

      Arne and zaatheist. obvious both of you have fear of the opposite sex, go for some psychological counselling, you may find that people of the opposite sex are ok!

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-10 05:30

      Sipho, shame, its obvious that you have fear of your own identity. A white afrikaans man masquerading as a black, xhosa one? Hypocrite! Why to you take homosexuality so personally? What they do behind closed doors is none of your business. Then again, you refer to "what they do to each other" so often, that I am starting to think you are merely surpressing your own nature as homosexual, as you fear it might conflict with the way your 'righteous' volk live. Dont be ridiculous man.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:45

      Arne, my sista you may think what ever you like, the fact remains that the act between two men (or two women) is an despicable act! Cannot get away from that! If the majority stays silent well then ...

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:26

      That is your "fact" Sipho, a hurtful, ignorant one at that. Hopefully some day soon you'll wake up and grow up.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:42

      fred ... wake and grow up to do what? to have sex with a male? isn't that what it is about with you? dirty lust? go and find yourself a beautiful woman! or are you scared of the opposite sex?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:55

      Love it Arne

      Carla - 2012-05-10 11:19

      @ Sipho - I personally don't agree with polygamy, but I would never presume to deny practicing polygamists the right to get married or have children. Judge not lest ye be judged...

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 17:32

      Wake up and grow up to be more mature, understanding, non-judgemental, loving, and knowledgeable about humanity. You're a brash, hurtful, ignorant teenager at the moment.

  • faureteggin - 2012-05-10 00:26

    Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet - Seth Rogen Historic move by Obama.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:54

      ...historic move out of the oval office!

  • Candice - 2012-05-10 00:47

    I think its important to always treat people with love and respect... I personally have not and will not support same sex marriages.. Its troubling to read that the president is a "practicing christian" (not sure what that means) but its goes against the Bible and he should know that. Dont say things like that if you know nothing about Christ and the Bible....

      iain.cluett - 2012-05-10 00:50

      @Candice. Do you support slavery?

      gavin.dandridge - 2012-05-10 01:33

      You clearly know very little about the Bible...

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:58

      I agree Candice but for the poor fools who do not believe in GOD or the Bible: why are there humans, male and female? And created (or evolved for the unbelievers) in such a way that the man fits into the woman? Surely two men do not "fit" and two women?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 07:59

      Sipho, We are not Lego's FFS.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:39

      Sorry what is FFS?

  • Sibusiso - 2012-05-10 01:18

    Bravo Obama, soldier for democracy. I'm a christian and I'm scared of burning in the fire of sulphur, but that doesn't mean I should force other people to believe in what I believe in. If you choose to sin, that's between you and your God, that's if you have one. Bravo obama, democracy for all

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 04:59

      Sibusiso ... nothing to do with democracy ... just imagine all the diseases possible with this "new found freedom"

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-05-10 05:32

      You are a Christian? Really? Suggest you then search the word WATCHMAN in your Bible and make a study thereof. Start with Ezekiel and get rid of the mark of the beast.

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-10 05:53

      kobus, hoe christelik van jou, jou profeet het saam hoere en melaatses, kriminele en ander ongelowiges gestap. Dus haal daai balk maar uit jou oog uit, en moet nie jou verdoordelings uitmaak asof dit jou god sn is nie.

      alan.troy2 - 2012-05-10 06:04

      @Sipho, I'm not sure how allowing 2 people to MARRY will cause diseases?? Something strange about your logic. If you are so concerned about disease spreading, why not start be speaking out against our pervert president, who despite his 9 wives, still finds time to sleep with his friend's unmarried daughter and then thinks he can shower off the AIDS.

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 06:05

      Sipho - gays have new diseases heterosexuals don"t have?

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-05-10 07:04

      @Arne, Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that count darkness as light, and light as darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Quite amazing how some men so easily bow in front of the statue of Daniel for the favor of men and forget about God and His statuettes.

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:02

      kobus, What about Apartheid then? Was Isaiah quoted for them as well? Or, divorces, or using polyester, or buying newspapers on Sunday, or allowing amputees into church?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:41

      @The(Devils)Mark, you want to make this an apartheid discussion? Stick to the topic "Man on Man" and "Woman on Woman" Ugh ...

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:47

      @Sipho - wonder if your sex partner thinks 'ugh' when you want to have sex with her but submits anyway while she lies back and thinks of Frans?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 09:28

      Devilsmark....lmao.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:29

      marion at least I have a partner of the opposite sex, do you or are you scared?

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 10:00

      "marion at least I have a partner of the opposite sex" - who charges by the hour...

      Marion - 2012-05-10 10:30

      @Sipho - just because I defend gay rights doesn't mean that I am gay, or is it beyond your intellectual capacity to comprehend that a heterosexual can defend their rights? @mbossenger - brilliant.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:33

      //just imagine all the diseases possible with this "new found freedom// Now Sipho thinks there are heterophobic diseases lol

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:35

      Mboss - judging by my credit card bill my partner charges by the lifetime :(

      Schmee - 2012-05-11 09:42

      Thanks guys, I'm crying with laughter. Marion you are brilliantly sharp today.

  • luvuko - 2012-05-10 01:30

    The point that people miss entirely here is whether gay people should have the same rights as married heterosexual couples have. And just like Obama i was brought up with the saying 'do unto others as you would have them do to you'. I couldn't care less what they do behind closed doors and quite frankly it is none of my business, but they should have equal rights as by vurture of being fellow man. Well done south africa for being way ahead on this one.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:43

      Sorry Luvuko, it is realy not about rights, it is about the dirty unnatural lifestyle of these people ...

      luvuko - 2012-05-10 11:02

      Then stay out of their bedroom.

  • ntshembovernon.ndlhozi - 2012-05-10 01:53

    This is crap

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:00

      You're right especially man on man!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 06:03

      So is woman on woman okay then, Sipho? Double standards much?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:45

      well mbosser not much chance of crap with woman on woman now is there? Still sick though!

      Riaan - 2012-05-10 19:34

      Sipho You must be doing it wrong then. LOL

  • simba.lumbe - 2012-05-10 01:57

    Well done B.H. Obama! Continuing to make history and this move, albeit creating a political minefield, has shown him to be a politician with a little more "daring principle" than many of his popular-vote-hungry contemporaries. And this applies equally to Democrats and Republicans. Let's face it, the entire gay community in the US could never numerically swing him a victory come election time, even if some argue that it's a move to "add to the numbers". Fact is, there is a greater chance of denting his support base in highly conservative swing states and religious circles, which could actually cost him the election altogether. Maybe I'm just impressionable, but to step out of the safety zone and stand out for what is right, regardless the political consequence - and a potentially huge one here - is just admirable. Same sex civil liberties will take long to fully enshrine across the world, but the struggle for freedom has never been a one day fix. It's a one step, one day, one mindset at a time affair. And to all those screaming in outrage and pulling the religion card, that debate is old, tired and stale like the mundane race one many are quick to rummage for. Asking for the law to recognise your union with someone you love, regardless of orientation should never be debatable in the first place. It's barbaric and retrogressive to think the human race is made up of a homogenous social-cultural construct. The winds of change are indeed blowing with more gusto! Well done!!!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:15

      Ok not the religion card ... a man "evolved" to fit into a woman right, but there are psychophysically disturbed people who think that man on man or woman on woman is how it should be, sick ... these people need some serious counselling! I think they are just scared of the opposite sex!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:33

      The one who needs serious counselling and maturing is you, Sipho. This much is clear. You have a very shallow understanding of human beings, and are deeply prejudiced, more so than just about any Apartheid supporter I met during the long dark days of Apartheid. And this is saying something. You are the same as the most stringent supprter of Apartheid. Think about this.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:47

      shame fred, still scared of women? Nothing as nice as a beautiful woman! overcome your fears, they do not hurt you know, be a man!

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:03

      Sipho, Be a man? Does that mean bliksemming them when they disobey you? Love your (lack of) logic....

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 17:34

      Sipho, I am married with four children. Always been heterosexual.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:39

      //psychophysically disturbed people// Sipho why do you think Psychologists don't agree with you on that?

  • ross.devine.9 - 2012-05-10 04:40

    @Tumisang - If you are going to attempt to have an intellectual debate, for the sake of all our sanity, be so kind as to address your spelling and moronic abuse of grammar.[My comment on this subject] Everyone on planet earth, regardless of race, gender, religion or sexual preference should have the same rights. Period!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:20

      Yes, Ross the same rights, but why take away the sanctity of the marriage which is between one man and one woman (from the beginning of time)

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:35

      Gay marriage is no threat to marriage between a man and a women. None whatsoever.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 07:51

      fred it only sickens society more than it is ... anyway why do you want to be "married"? A sick need of "want to belong"? Go and see a psychologist ... he may be able to cure your sickening lust!

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:06

      Sipho, N. You are a sick, egotistical, bigoted, ignorant foolish brute in dire need of a basic education and lesson in humanity. Start at preschool.

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 09:30

      Sipho, Like I said, inbox me for all the details you so desperately wants to know. I maintain my analysis on you.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 17:38

      The thing that sickens society and humanity the most, by far, is hurtful prejudice that you are choosing. By far. You are about as far from powerful and loving as one can be. I hope, for your sake, the sake of humanity and the wife and children you say you have, that you choose to grow up and mature soon. Right now you're darkening our world, not lightening it.

  • mpendulo.simelane1 - 2012-05-10 04:42

    The kingdom of God is at hand...!!

      Zing - 2012-05-10 07:41

      hand-job?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:07

      Say whaaa?

  • mpendulo.simelane1 - 2012-05-10 04:43

    The kingdom of God is at hand...!!

  • Vickela Mumby - 2012-05-10 04:45

    For the love of power,#shame on u obizzie!#

      Marion - 2012-05-10 08:51

      @Vickela - there is a strong possibility that he will lose states that he won previously and, consequently, lose the presidency. That is not 'for the love of power'.

  • Vickela Mumby - 2012-05-10 04:46

    For the love of power,#shame on u obizzie!#

  • Vickela Mumby - 2012-05-10 04:46

    For the love of power,#shame on u obizzie!#

  • Lazarus - 2012-05-10 05:19

    Leaders and people who promote this behaviour are misleading the nations.This is criminal.

  • Mario Da Silva - 2012-05-10 05:20

    Obama and Biden have no balls!!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-10 05:21

    fools

  • Edwin - 2012-05-10 05:24

    ''but it's also a golden-rule, treat others like you would want to be treated''. I dont support and dont oppose but i think Obama has a skill to eliminate discrimination.

  • Edwin - 2012-05-10 05:25

    ''but it's also a golden-rule, treat others like you would want to be treated''. I dont support and dont oppose but i think Obama has a skill to eliminate discrimination.

  • Edwin - 2012-05-10 05:26

    ''but it's also a golden-rule, treat others like you would want to be treated''. I dont support and dont oppose but i think Obama has a skill to eliminate discrimination.

  • Cronje - 2012-05-10 05:31

    Tumisang, you sound like the type who would support 'corrective' rape of women too. Your type is an abomination.

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-05-10 05:31

    But how does one dude kiss the other? I can never get past this......How Obama uses the Golden Rule is way too hypocritical n cheap, it's an excuse.....0 points!!!!!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 05:37

      You are right! Disgusting! Nothing as nice as the sweet lips of a woman!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 07:37

      Fine, but being hurtful as you are makes you ignorant and racist. You should move to Oranje. You have the same mentality. Narrow, superficial, hateful, hurtful, and ultimate;y stupid.

      Zing - 2012-05-10 07:49

      Troll alert. Sipho? From Laerskool Handhaaf? That's pretty gay coming from a white woman. What are you trying to say here?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:42

      Actually, it is quite easy. And surprisingly, it comprises the exact same motions involved in heterosexual kissing. I wonder why...

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:55

      Sis Mark ....

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 09:59

      No, sis on you Sipho.

      joanne.fairbrother - 2012-05-10 10:29

      @Sipho. With the way you carry on, you're likely to turn women lesbian in the droves. You certainly aren't convincing me to turn straight. Sies on you.

  • Cronje - 2012-05-10 05:32

    Besides: it takes 2 of you to make 1 of us. Put that in your (nyaophe)pipe and smoke it.

  • alan.troy2 - 2012-05-10 05:56

    Awesome news! I am amazed that in 2012 this is still an issue in the USA. At least in South Africa we realized that all human beings deserve the same rights and that includes the ability to marry whoever you want regardless of their skin color or sexual orientation. To all the Tumisangs, Sipho and everyone else on this thread that are getting upset over two adults who love each other having the same rights as they do. Sorry guys but we all deserve to be happy in this world. Don't impose your religious beliefs on other people, just because they were imposed on you. There are 6 billion people in this world each with their own religion, ideas, opinions and beliefs. If you don't like gay marriage, don't get one!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 08:40

      All species have male and female? Oh dear....

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:44

      Sipho, Read up on snails....THAT will blow your mind, and probably be the work of some Satanist movement, neh?

  • Ted - 2012-05-10 06:22

    Why would a black president say? Its because he has the experience to break barriers. He has redefined the campaign by a single statement. Clever boy. He knows that discussion about the economy is too risky, so he recasts it into something completely different. Till November, the discussion will be about gays, not the economy. The far right christians are vocal but few, so he has done the maths. He will still have his base, and with just this statement, he has captured a large chunk of the middle. Check approval ratings next week! In November I will pay my DSTV subscription for the first time in a while.

  • kemsleys - 2012-05-10 06:24

    You are either born a man or a woman. Being born a man trapped in a wonans body or a woman trapped in a mans body is completely from the pit of hell. My God has never ordained same sex marriages as He never commanded it. I will never conform my belief and values to please people, as I do not please man but Praise and Glorify God.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:02

      I agree well said! I do not believe though that one is born trapped in the opposite sex' body ... I think it is made like that by people around you, all to do with lust etc in later life

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 08:38

      Well then why did your god make people gay?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:45

      I do not speak idiot, please rephrase in English.

      Karen - 2012-05-10 12:50

      @Kemsley It how u Perceive ur GOD.. My GOD loves me for who i am as I am child of GOD. Funny how your GOD allows you to Judge. PS i dont need a marriage to be committed to my WIFE, LOVER and Best Friend.

  • Munga - 2012-05-10 06:27

    Obama must support that because he is also evil working under satanic rules otherwise he shouldn't become a president go to hell

      Dean - 2012-05-10 16:02

      Wahahahahahahaaha!!! It ceases to amaze me that there are people as stupid as you still around.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 18:06

      ?

  • aomtshiselwa - 2012-05-10 06:31

    Just thinking os Sodom and Gomora. This political stance where he is using his wife and children as scape goats. May be he will soon allow Human beings to marry their animals and even allow Marijuana to be used legally etc. Who is next?

      arne.verhoef - 2012-05-10 07:35

      Marijuana should be legalised. As should gay marriage. Have you ever heard of the term 'personal freedom' Mr. Andile?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:04

      shame arne, awake again, have you made an appointment yet at the psychologist to try and become a "normal" human being, obvious you are very far gone wanting to smoke marijuana ... get a life woman!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 08:37

      aomtshiselwa - are you seriously comparing homosexuality with bestiality?

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:47

      aomtshiselwa, Animal are unable to give consent, unlike homosexuals. That should be quite obvious.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-05-10 18:07

      More hateful ignorance from you Sipho. You hold yourself back when you choose to be this way. Terrible.

      Kevin - 2012-05-11 20:28

      I agree entirely with aomtshiselwa's sentiments...and as for arne.verhoef, personal freedom does not mean subjugating the rights and freedoms of the majority of people to the whims of a minority...and what do you mean by legalising gay marriage...making it legal to have Jim ram John up his anus? Would you be happy to have this prescribed as acceptable to your son or daughter..?

  • aphiwe.ngxoni - 2012-05-10 06:32

    Why did Obama marry a woman instead of marrying another man.He must not take a world down the drain.What a world without a population?What a population without man and woman marriage?This thing of gay and lesbian is a spirit from satan to destroy the living people,because there will be no kids if we all become gays and lesbian,because no one can make a child.Marrying people should have kid or more.

      Marion - 2012-05-10 09:06

      @aphiwe - there's no risk of the world's population dying out based on the simple fact that there are more heterosexuals than there are GLBTs. No one is asking you to 'become' gay. Despite what all you homophobes think, being gay is not a choice. No one would choose to be gay when they have to contend with hate-filled bigots every minute of their life.

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 09:57

      Well said, Marion. Apparently people choose to be gay just so they can be persecuted by people like aphiwe.

  • AG.Mogotsi - 2012-05-10 06:48

    bad political move there.. rather continue ur silence than bow to pressure from opponents who publicly okay homo mariages.. there goes thousands of votes out

  • cdwilson3 - 2012-05-10 06:58

    Poor political move, but then I guess anything for votes, no matter how wrong it is.

  • Fredster - 2012-05-10 06:59

    He is pleasing man in stead of Gad

      Zing - 2012-05-10 07:50

      wtf is Gad? Please tell me there's not another new religion in town!

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:07

      Gad - Pagan god

      Schmee - 2012-05-11 09:32

      It stands for Generalized Anxiety Disorder which is basically what you have to live with if you are obsessed with God.

  • Imtiaz - 2012-05-10 07:07

    It is the law of nature to procreate with the opposite sex even animals follow it so how can humans,the most intellectual of beings,can indulge and condone this behaviour

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:08

      Tell that to arne.verhoef! She doesn't believe me when I tell her!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 08:36

      Are you aware that homosexual behaviour is observed in about 4000 species of animals?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 08:58

      my boss ... but they're not getting married!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 09:07

      Sipho misses the point again - I was responding to Imtiaz's post about the "law of nature."

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 19:52

      Sipho the heterosexual animals don't get married either.

  • Comfido Nziyane - 2012-05-10 07:09

    no wonder rumours alleged he is a soul giver, a satanist, how can a president agree 2 sumthng which is against da bibble!

      nilsgerber - 2012-05-10 07:14

      Have you seen our President? Polygamy?\r\nAre you a Theologian? Or are you only speaking on what someone told you?

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 08:35

      What's da bibble?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:02

      another word for BIBLE my boss ....

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 09:08

      What authority does da bibble have?

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:35

      For believers the Bible is the FINAL authority, if you do not believe(anything) then well ... off to Hell!

      mbossenger - 2012-05-10 09:55

      Sipho - eternity in hell would be a picnic compared to eternity in heaven with the likes of you.

      Dean - 2012-05-10 16:06

      It's always the God-botherers with this type of backward thinking.

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-05-10 07:10

    First he was sitting on the fence - Gutless, now he has come out in the openn insupport - Hoping to corner the Gay/Lesbian vote no doubt. Both very good reasons to vote for the other guy...........

      TheMark - 2012-05-10 08:48

      Mitt Romney?! That nutcase?

  • grant.schaefer - 2012-05-10 07:14

    Obama will say anything for votes now, it's election time (as would any president, thats shameful politics). The nature/nuture debate has been going on for decades.My observation on this point: I have many gay friends - what I have noticed is that all have had sex with the opposite sex, then decide to be gay (a decision/choice)- it would make sense that if they were born that way they would from the onset be attracted to the same sex. This may not be in all cases but a simple observation.Obama I hope you can score some points off this as you will need every bit of luck on this election - your economy is in tatters - reminds me of Nero playing his fiddle as Rome was burning - Good Luck!

  • vinny.damoyi - 2012-05-10 07:21

    Why is anyone trying to debate with Black Christians on this issue.?its a waste of time.they have already proved how retarded they are by falling for this christian nonsense.how can we expect them to fathom that what people do in behind closed doors has flipp all to do with them. I dont agree with this life style myself but im not living it so why should it be any of my business.let people live how they want to live,life is short, if it harms no one so be it.

  • Marion - 2012-05-10 07:23

    @kobus - Judge not lest ye be judged.

      Sipho - 2012-05-10 09:38

      @Marion: do not give yourself over to sinful lusts. As you're quoting from the Bible go and check out Romans 1:24 and further!

      Marion - 2012-05-10 10:35

      @Sipho - how about you get a Bible with the words actually attributed to Jesus written in a different colour and then quote me his words about homosexuality and not Paul's.

      Sunshine - 2012-05-10 20:10

      Agreed Marion, homosexuality was accepted in the Roman Empire. If Jesus had a problem with it he would have said something. I wonder why he didn't Sipho?

      Kevin - 2012-05-11 20:35

      @Marion...try reading Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13