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Russia: West distorting Syria deal

2012-07-03 22:55

Damascus - Russia accused the West on Tuesday of seeking to distort an agreement for a political transition in Syria, after international peace envoy Kofi Annan said a ceasefire was imperative.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov hailed the Geneva accord based on proposals by Annan as an "important step" but said that Western capitals had read more into the final statement than what was written on paper.

"These [Geneva] agreements are not there to be interpreted. They mean exactly what is said in the communique and we need to follow the agreements that were made," he said.

His comments came soon after Annan spokesperson Ahmad Fawzi told reporters a "shift" in positions by Russia and its diplomatic ally China at the Geneva talks should not be underestimated.

On Saturday, world powers agreed a plan for a transition in Syria that did not make an explicit call for President Bashar Assad to quit power, but the West swiftly made clear it saw no role for Assad in a unity government.

Meanwhile, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said Russia will not attend a "Friends of Syria" meeting in Paris on Friday aimed at coordinating Western and Arab efforts to stop the violence in the country.

"Russia was invited. They made it known that they did not want to participate, which is not a surprise," he told reporters. Russia, a traditional ally of Syria, and China did not attend any previous meetings of the group.

In Washington, state department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said the Russians were free to decide whether to attend the Paris talks or not.

"It's their choice. We think this is a very valuable forum that brings together a much larger group of countries. The door is open to them if they want to join. It's up to them if they don't," Nuland told reporters.

"From our perspective, [this] meeting is important and will add energy and lift to this effort to come to a post-transition strategy" in Syria.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will lead the US delegation, an official said, with Nuland saying more than 100 countries would be attend the talks "to support change and democracy and pluralism" in Syria.

The Paris meeting will be the third such gathering after one in Tunis in February and another in April in Istanbul called for tougher action against the Assad regime.

Arms

UN human rights chief Navi Pillay warned that foreign arms deliveries to both government and opposition are fuelling a conflict that rights monitors say has killed more than 16 500 people since March last year.

Pillay said both sides were guilty of "serious" rights violations, adding that "any further militarisation of the conflict must be avoided at all costs".

But a pro-Damascus Palestinian militant leader said the Lebanese Shi'ite militia Hezbollah and Iran would fight alongside the Syrian regime if it is attacked by foreign forces.

In the event of "a foreign attack, we discussed with our brothers (in the Syrian regime), with (Hezbollah chief) Hassan Nasrallah and our brothers in Iran, we will be part of this battle," said Ahmed Jibril of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.


Comments
  • Tommo - 2012-07-03 23:24

    This is waist of time. And people are dying. We need organize a group of willing states to enter Syria and stop the killings. Period.

      jans.opresser - 2012-07-04 01:10

      sure thing Tommo,since you want people to die for defending a useless cause of supporting terrorist,YOU LEAD THE ASAULT ON DAMASACUS!! and you can expect to go to war with nuclear armed russia who will defend assad at all cost! just dont expect your commrads from the ANC to run and help you!

      jans.opresser - 2012-07-04 01:11

      assault!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 02:38

      Couldn't agree more Tommo. The problem is the almost total lack of leadership in the freer world. Neo-Communist states are being allowed to determine the freer world's response to the heartless actions of an unelected dictator. Counting the days to the end of Obama administration.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 03:21

      The Russian regime would drop Assad like a hot potatoe were it forced to make a choice. The weak leadership in the freer world is not making this happen.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 04:28

      Fred, ""drop Assad like a hot potatoe ...."" Exactly, and to suggest like this "brotherfullofhatredandeversoconfused" that 'nuclear' Russia will go to war, is silly talk, like radicals/extremists been doing for the past 60 years. Russia is not the main problem, as over and over again ,they have shown not to have a spine when it comes to their foreign policy. The problem is the USA, whose 'the leader of the free world' is at present, 'more word than deed'

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 06:48

      Firm of jaw and resolute of appearance, they strides onto the battle field aware others are watching them. They quickly assess the situation and without consideration for their own safety, THEY PRESS ENTER! So when do we charge boys?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:27

      The idea is to avoid the need for a battlefield, which strong, wise leadership would do.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-07-04 10:00

      Really no need to do anything but watch as the people take down Assad , when there is freedom they will know who stood for them and against .This is a popular revolt , no doubt , you cannot sustain this conflict as a opposition army without masssive and comprehensive support from the local populace to feed and shelter you. The simple exercise of realistic accesssment on the ground operations of this would have to lead you to these conclusions . Yes , some other states may be complicit in supplying arms but the overwhelming arms coming in from foreign countries are for the Assad regime(via Russia) and the free Syrian army is using siezed russian made Syrian regime arms and smuggled in weapons . Talk about Lokerbie , US foreign policy history , ect is completely irrelevent to the situation . I'd love the riddle explained in the 'Foreign forces' hypothesis of how they would operate inbetween the Syrian people ,maintain logistical support across borders and not use weapons that are common place in Syria (No M16 rifles there)as well as the plethura of army defection testimony. All the evidence points to a popular revolt.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-07-04 13:46

      Fidel it is never too late and seldom too early.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 14:53

      Keyboard warriors sitting safe at their keyboards are unlikely to want to shed blood for political change. It all sounds wonderful, but you are all too comfortable. It is nothing but chatter, like hens in a hen house! Che put his chattering to action.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 18:00

      Che would have been embarressed by your CRAP and BS !!! He would have dropped like a hot patato, and told you to go back to your cozy home, and entertain your radical friends, with your cheap stuff !!!

  • Mphotse Mpofu - 2012-07-04 04:05

    they attacked, toppled and murdered gaddaffi claiming he had killed civilians the syrian government has massacred tens of thousands pple and still they cant invade them?! surely we not stupid

      mundu.olewega - 2012-07-04 04:47

      Gaddafi needed to be killed. And he did kill lots of innocent civilians. Remember Lockerbie? Damn Mpohotse you're dumb.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 06:31

      The official verdict on Lockerbie is the biggest crock that the US and UK governments have put before us in recent years, besides the Iraq war of course.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 07:12

      No , it was a defect coffee machine, on the Pan Am flight, which made it fall out of the sky.....!!!!! You radicals are soo pathetic in your little extreme world, you have lost any sense of reality. All you do, is make up your own stories, and entertain each other !!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 07:34

      Mebo's owner, Edwin Bollier, has claimed that in 1991 the FBI offered him $4 million to testify that the timer fragment found near the scene of the crash was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya. http://i-p-o.org/IPO-nr-Lockerbie-5Oct07.htm Former employee of Mebo, Ulrich Lumpert, swore an affidavit in July 2007 that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 timer in 1989, and had handed it over to "a person officially investigating the Lockerbie case" http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/sep/02/theairlineindustry.libya Dr Hans Köchler, one of the UN observers at the trial, expressed serious doubts about the fairness of the proceedings and spoke of a "spectacular miscarriage of justice" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/1872996.stm Megrahi's lawyers claim that vital documents, which emanate from the CIA and relate to the Mebo timer that allegedly detonated the Lockerbie bomb, were withheld from the trial defence team. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7023397.stm http://www.news24.com/World/News/US-paid-Lockerbie-witness-2m-20091003 But in a trick honed by infants the world over, you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears?

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 08:23

      It reminds me of all these 'credible' reports that Elvis is still alive. And is it not odd, that the same ones who doubt the Lockerie verdict, ALSO doubt that 9/11 was caused by terrorists. Radicals are masters in making up their own stories, and ALWAYS have sooo much evidence !!!!!!!!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:26

      Unfortunately you're being stupid. Your analysis is flat-out wrong, except the part about the fewer world allowing Assad to murder Syrians.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 08:37

      @Anthony To call everyone who doesn't share your views "a radical" says more about you than about us. Then again, it's easier to be smug than objective or constructive, right? If you are just going to equate critical thinking to being a radical, then you are free to be willfully ignorant.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-07-04 13:49

      Fidel Gadhafi paid compensation to the families of the victims thus admitting guilt and liability.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 14:35

      Abdelbaset al-Megrahi never wavered in his denial of causing the Lockerbie disaster. Gaddafi was a pragmatist who calculated that the sanctions were costing Libya more than the $10 billion required to compensate the victims' families, and this money could be recouped by other means. He never accepted guilt for Lockerbie and was planning to recoup this money, from western corporations who had oil contracts in that country by increasing the royalties charged.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 06:18

    More than 100 countries would attend the talks and yet Iran which has a direct interest in Syria is not welcomed. The U.S. is a nation of foreign policy retards. Distortions, lies, etc, are all tricks of the trade for the guardians of the Dictatorship of Capital. If the west wants to see a cessation of violence they should order the CIA and friends to stop stoking it.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 07:07

      That's right, countries whose export terrorism, should not be welcome at any conference. So, Iran is not welcome. Actually Russia should not be there either.They are the ones who sold the military hardware, PLUS send Russian advisers/experts, to this assad terrorist, so he could MURDER 15000 Syrians, mostly unarmed civilians. The Russians are good for nothing, and EVIL !!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 07:14

      I feel there's something there that a certain pigheadedness is hiding very well. Russia and Iran are behaving in exactly the same way the US behaves all over the world. It's called protecting your interests.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:22

      The Iranian regime that adjusts elections to hold onto power is not Iran.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:23

      The Middle East has allowed itself to be retarded by unelected, self-centered, corrupt and cruel leaders. It's awakening now, at last.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 08:30

      Fidel, Again, you do what radicals are sooo good at, confuse an issue. We are talking here about Syria, in 2012 There are not many places in the world, where the West has good relations, and that government, puts their terrorist army onto rooftops, shooting with live amunition at unarmed civilians. Or has their airforce bomb, opposition strongholds, nor has airforce helicopters shooting live amunition at unarmed civilians. Not many; ACTUALLY NONE !!!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 08:54

      @Fred You are nothing but a pawn (Sock puppetry) who insidiously posts information which is pure propaganda. @Anthony Ah to see the mote in another's eye and not the beam in one's own.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 21:02

      Shame Patrick, Getting angry ?? Ask the madam if you can go for a walk on her estate !

  • Nasser - 2012-07-04 06:47

    Hillary looked the other way when her wahabi friends in Saudi sent tanks into Bahrain to quell the popular uprising there. Now Saudi is arming the rebels in Syria. Maybe Hillary is a closet wahabi working hand in glove with Riyadh to turn the whole region into a medieval theocracy!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:21

      Maybe not.

  • price.moyo.9 - 2012-07-04 06:49

    Rassia? Is this the same country that has one person been president then prime minister then president AGAIN!! N this in a coutry of more than 100mil people? What a world we hv, to these guys money comes before peoples lives. Its them and china who r the killers.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 07:23

      It's the same right enjoyed by any British politician who, as long as they remain the leader of their party, and as long as they continue to win elections, can stay in prime ministerial office until the day they die. Considering the killing that has taken place in the past ten years, who are the real killers?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:37

      Yes, the Russian and Chinese regimes. Russians and Chinese people the world over should feel deep remorse about what they're allowing their governments to do. They're complicit in the killing of Syrians by the thousands and the destruction of Syria.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 21:40

      The US isn't involved. That's the problem. Russia is.

  • price.moyo.9 - 2012-07-04 07:37

    Fidel.mgoqi. How good are u at history? Russia n china blocked many un resolutions against the sudan regime. Are in doubt that the sudan regime killed thousand black sudanese in darfour? These two countries hv again and again protected mugabes regime, or are u in doubt the mugabe has killed thousand of black zims since 1981!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 07:56

      Omar-al-Bashir's government is responsible for the strife in Sudan and the AU has taken a reconciliatory approach to the conflict, which China and Russia supports. The 1981 "massacre" has nothing to do with China or Russia. Go ahead and select a historical episode arbitrarily and then try to make 'a point', it's a fun game and it fools nobody (but yourself).

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 08:36

      He's awful at history. He distorts it to comply with his twisted will and corrupt imagination. To him the election-swaying Russian regime is legitimate, even when the international observers conclusion on the last Russian election was, "it's not that difficult to hold free and fair elections. Putin didn't." His heroes are the neo-Communist Chinese and Russian regimes, and the truly oppressive Iranian regime.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 08:45

      Your comment reminds me of the standard lazy attempt to discredit someone's point of view by implying they are positing the existence of a conspiracy when they have done no such thing.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-04 18:29

      You're fifty years out of date. You live in the distant past. Your views are defunct, totally irrelevant and faulty to current times. It's obvious.

  • malcolm.dale - 2012-07-04 08:55

    Democracy and pluralism!? What do they mean by the latter? Didn't we have this at one time in South Africa? I mean a "Plural" society? How can you have democracy and a plural society? Beats me!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 09:17

      That depends whether it is cultural or political pluralism. Democracy and political pluralism are not mutually exclusive.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-07-04 10:15

      In the syrian context it means to incorporate the aspirations of all , this being both Shi'te & Sunni , compromising the majority and the other different groups in a interdepentdent society .

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 10:51

      Syria has been a relatively peaceful secular country for most of its different minorities to live, including huge numbers of Iraqi Christians turfed out of their own country since its "liberation". Where are people like you going to be when the beards turn up to throw these people out of Syria?

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-07-04 11:04

      Many , many people have been displaceed by the revolt. One always has sympathies with these people (at least 36000 refugees in Turkey), perticularly the minority groups but freedom from tyranny after 48years is clearly not negotiable for the Syrians . When the beards show up , 'we' will continue to support the Syrians and a democratic , secular state free of oppression. Peace under oppression is not peace.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 11:10

      It will be good to see the end of all dictatorships in the Middle East, but the way forwards is through gradual reform. You cannot seriously believe the intervention of the west is going to achieve that? It hasn't done so in Iraq, Afghanistan. Libya is still a mess. You cannot speed up historical democratisation using bombs. Assad should certainly speed up reforms ASAP, but there's no way he should give in to armed gangs of beards in the pay of Saudi Arabia. This is not a "left" or "right" view, but common sense.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-07-04 13:34

      I could argue/debate a bit on that but i agree that western intervention in perticular alone will not achieve this , it has to start from the ground in those countries . There are certain countries where this process would simply not happen ( i would include Iraq & afganistan amongst those) and the army is used to quell these movements . Without some sort of intervention , the tyranny would continue ad infinitum . Then its the contrast of not doing anything for the sake of stability which has also been tried and then there's the accusation of propping up tyrants , using sanctions also punishes the public so targeted sanctions are used ect (ergo the damned if you do , damned if you don't dillemma). Saudi Arabia is a prime example of , how do you deal with them ? Leave them be? wait for popular uprising ? start progressive policies? Its really a case of dealing with each case as a seperate issue and either having good reasons or bad reasons for policies towards those countries. I think commiting to either total intervention or no intervention is not going to help anyone and foster self determination. I believe that the uprisings are the will of the overwhelming majority in Syria ,( we differ in opinion there) the Ba'athist party had 48yrs to start these reforms and the people are impatient and the narrative to far along now to think Assad (individually) can remain as a legitimate representative. It really is a deal breaker.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 14:10

      The west should realise that "democracy" is not a straight subject, especially when you are talking about populations, not cleansed territories (like in US case - when they had exterminated almost all Indians). Slow reform is less glamorous, but infinitely to be preffered to slaughter. We need only look to Rwanda to see the consequences for a ruling minority when it loses power, especially if it has initiated violence in an attempt to keep power. I am NOT saying dictatorships should not be dismantled, but how that is done, and at what speed should be a prime consideration. Throwing bombs at a problem may not be the answer. The first chapter of Paolo Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" sums it all up. If I am oppressed the only model I have of how to behave once I get out from under is....my oppressor. Works anywhere. The elements of enforced change identified by Naomi Klein in The Shock Doctrine apply equally here.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 14:57

      Fidel, One part that you don't want to understand, is that it is NOT foreign countries that are pushing for change, it are the people themselves. It clearly shows, that you don't have a clue of what was/is happening in North Africa or the Middle East !!! It is not that America or Europe just one day decided to have a few regime changes..................!! That is the radical's lazy mind of interpeting these events. It was the Tunesian population who demanded change !!! It was the Egyptian population who demanded change !!! It was the libyan population who demanded change !!! And it are the Syrian population who demands change !!! NOBODY CAN STOP THIS, It is ONLY the radicals who with their stupidity and ignorance continiously want to accuse the West for orchestrating these uprisings. It is an insult to these nations people. You can quote Pinocio if you want to, but it is not going to change any reality !!!!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 17:50

      Do you think the key to a successful conversation is the ability to moderate the discussion with savvy - which takes lot more energy and mental bandwidth, than merely countering opinions with more opinions to justify the original position? You don't need to agree, just to reflect on what has been said and then offer your own comments that go beyond simply the profane and the vitriolic.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 18:06

      For a while you started talking a bit normal, like most of us, and now suddenly, in the last few days, here we go again, with 50$ words, and poetry. What is wrong with you ?? Have you got some inferiority complex ???

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-04 19:24

      In case you hadn't noticed, Ninja and I were discussing the merits of wholesale political changes to countries that have no democratic history. But this debate was too much for you, so you had to wade in with you repetitive invective, devoid of any logic or substance. Merely countering opinions with more opinions to justify the original opinion. You don't contribute, you just bitch and moan, like a pregnant cow.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-04 21:12

      Patrick, As I said yesterday, I prefer this silly childish humor of yours, anytime above that HATRED AND FILTH !!

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