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Russia 'won't sell Syria new weapons'

2012-07-10 09:04


Moscow - Russia will not supply new weapons to its Arab ally Syria while fighting there continues, Moscow arms export officials said on Monday, while stressing that old contracts would be fulfilled.

"Russia like other countries is concerned about the situation in Syria," Russian agencies quoted Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, the deputy head of the Federal Service for Military Technical Co-operation, as saying.

"We are not talking about new deliveries of new weapons to this country," the Russian official said at the Farnborough Airshow. "Until the situation stabilises, no shipments of new weapons will be made."

Russia has long argued it has only been fulfilling existing contracts with Syria and is not supplying any of its most modern equipment under deals signed since the conflict began in March 2011.

Some of Russia's military enterprises are still conducting their own negotiations with Syria and strike deals that have, according to news reports, not been fulfilled up to this point.

In Washington, State Department spokesperson Patrick Ventrell said: "Obviously, if it were true, it would be a good sign but we are still seeking further clarification from the Russians."

"We have repeatedly raised our concerns with the Russian government at a variety of levels. We have expressed our belief that continued arms sales to the regime will only further throw flames on the fire," he added.

UN spokesman Eduardo Del Buey said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon "has been very clear on the fact that all countries that have some influence on either side of the problem in Syria should exercise restraint in terms of arming".

Attack helicopters

Dzirkaln was specifically referring to a shipment of new Yak-130 trainer fighters that were on display at the British air show when making his comments to reporters.

Russian media said several of the Yak jets had been recently agreed for sale to President Bashar al-Assad's embattled Syrian regime. Dzirkaln said the fighters would not be delivered.

But the arms export agency's director, Alexander Fomin, also stressed that Moscow intended to continue supplying Assad with weapons and other military equipment agreed for sale under old deals.

"Syria is our old friend, and we fulfil all our obligations before our friends," Russian news agencies quoted Fomin as saying.

Russia defended last month's attempt to ship several repaired attack helicopters and an air defence system to Syria by saying that the contract for those had been signed some years ago.

The shipments were forced to return to Russia after its British insurer learned of the cargo's true content and withdrew cover.

Comments
  • boltonbarry - 2012-07-10 09:16

    They'll probably sell them old weapons :-)

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 09:23

    He forgot to mention, that 'old contracts' will be honored up to 2028 !!! Without Russian arms and....their advisers/experts !!!, this popular uprising would have come to an end, in the first few months !!! BASTARDS !!

      bruce.gibbings - 2012-07-10 09:50

      If the CIA hadn't got involved from the beginning and armed the rebels this unpopular uprising would have come to an end, in a few months!!! Bastards!!!

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 10:16

      hey Bruce, show me where you found you info that the CIA is supplying the rebels with arms. I've read many times that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are silently assisting the rebels, but have never heard that about the CIA. I wish the US government was supplying the rebels too, since without these countries help the rebels would probably have been slaughtered already. slaughtered, and no freedom .. and whats unpopular about the uprising you muppet ?? I'm pretty amazed at the scale of it considering the brutal crackdown. is freedom an unpopular concept to you ???

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 10:32

      @Ryan Ever heard of the concept of "plausible denial"? Do you seriously think that the decadent Gulf countries are able to do anything without permission from Washington. If you thought so, you were sadly deluded.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 10:53

      ok Fidel, so you just assume. so you could clealy be wrong. I never said its impossible, I said show me where you or Bruce read that, I'd be interested to read that. AND I said, if the US are doing what Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar are already doing, then I AM HAPPY. I hope that doesnt spoil your breakfast.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 11:15

      I'm perplexed as to why I need to provide you with evidence, yet you don't seem to apply your requirement to yourself. Do your own research and lets see how dedicated you are to finding the truth. Actually, I also have no problem with arming these terrorists. It's the hypocrisy of doing that and then complaining about the body count when the government fights back that I find offensive

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 11:20

      Fidel, you have a warped way of looking at things. its not the government fighting back, its the people fighting back !!! and considering that the government started the bloodshed, they are the ones who need to shoulder the blame for the body count. but you would rather the people went back to their freedomless lives, accepted the initial couple hundred casualties and not taken a stand. youre an insensitive fool for thinking that

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 11:33

      If you can't make up what those who might disagree with you believe, and why they might disagree with you, it's easy to rattle off nonsense like that. Portraying these contras as innocent angels with integrity is pure Hollywood - both sides play dirty games and that includes the US alphabet agencies. Just because you're gullible enough to fall for the lies of the opposition doesn't give you the right to condemn those who don't.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 12:07

      Fidel, youre still not getting it. I am going to ask you 5 questions .. 1) did Syria have democracy and freedom ? yes or no ... 2) do you feel that peaceful demonstrations against the illegitimate regime were within the people's right ? yes or no ... 3) do you think the illegitimate government was right to brutally crackdown on the peaceful protesters ? yes or no .... 4) do you think its understandable that the people retaliated ? yes or no .. 5) did they have any other option ? yes or no, and describe any other options you believe were appropriate

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 12:28

      You shouldn't mistake being against the nations inciting unrest in other coutries for their own gain to be necessarily pro the incumbent regime in those countries. Not condemning is not the same as supporting, obviously not. Secular governments are important in Arab lands in which there is division between Sunni and Shi’ite. Secular governments keep the divided population from murdering one another. The terrorists in Syria are learning a brutal lesson. If you stage an uprising, and you do not have the resources to overthrow your oppressors, people, many people, innocent people will die. Their pain, their suffering, their deaths, will be squalid and pointless. This is an eternal truth.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 12:38

      Fidel, wake up. thats a piss poor excuse. if in south africa with our deep divides prior to 1994 could have a democracy, then Syria sure as hell could too.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 12:40

      make no mistake Fidel, Assad will be gone soon enough, either dead or in exile ... the peoples lives that were sacrificed will not have been in vain

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 12:46

      and if its not too much trouble, use 1 word to answer each of my questions

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 12:53

      and Fidel, seems to me that the Syria's, Zimbabwe's, Venezuela's, Myanmar's, Somalia's, Libya's, Iran's (etc), are your idea of successful countries. and your seeming reverence for their leaders. bit pathetic

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 12:54

      I am sure than Iraq has a functioning democracy as well or Afghanistan for that matter. Where are people like you going to be when the beards turn up? Assad will go indeed, but there's no way he should give in to armed gangs of beards in the pay of Saudi Arabia and Qatar (both Sunni countries I might add who are in direct competition with Shiite Iran for influence in the Middle East).

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 13:05

      oh, so because you THINK democracy might be problematic you don't even want to try ????? rather just stick with the status quo dictatorship huh ???? spineless !! and as for those problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can find far more successful transitions to democracy. once again, let me guide your attention to the place where you reside ! but ya, I'm sure with you being a non-white you'd prefer to still have less freedoms and opportunities compared to whites pre 1994. based on how you think, thats what one would have to assume. well at least your comrades and the international US led community took up the fight for you and dragged you along kicking and screaming

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 13:06

      "and Fidel, seems to me that the Syria's, Zimbabwe's, Venezuela's, Myanmar's, Somalia's, Libya's, Iran's (etc), are your idea of successful countries. and your seeming reverence for their leaders. bit pathetic" If you want to debate me, have the courtesy to debate what I actually say, not what you want to refute. "and if its not too much trouble, use 1 word to answer each of my questions" "If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack." ~ Winston Churchill

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 13:25

      If you don't understand the dynamics of fundamental Islam in the ME and how destroying Iran, via Syria is vital for western actors and the Gulf monarchies, that means you know nothing about this subject.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 13:36

      oh, so because you THINK democracy might be problematic you don't even want to try ????? rather just stick with the status quo dictatorship huh ???? spineless !! and as for those problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, you can find far more successful transitions to democracy. once again, let me guide your attention to the place where you reside ! but ya, I'm sure with you being a non-white you'd prefer to still have less freedoms and opportunities compared to whites pre 1994. based on how you think, thats what one would have to assume. well at least your comrades and the international US led community took up the fight for you and dragged you along kicking and screaming .... no response to this huh Fidel ?????

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 13:37

      no Fidel, maybe you are so obsessed with the other dynamics and conspiracy theories that you care not for the people and their rights and you make up all kinds of excuses to justify keeping them in a totalitarian country

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 14:12

      That is because I have a first rate mind that questions everything. You have to be ignorant, a fool or both not to see this coup as the coup that it is. These terrorists were manipulated by external forces under the political cover of the Arab spring to mount an armed conflict as a proxy for the GCC and the west, right out of the CIA playbook. You have approached this issue from the emotional immaturity of a 2 year old child.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 14:38

      and according to your kind of thinking, the terrorists in SA prior to 1994 were assisted by the external forces to serve their agendas too. freedom for the people of SA had nothing to do with it really either huh ?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 15:00

      Yes and No. Western major powers had an interest in SA not falling into the hands of "communists", hence it was no coincidence that SA only made progress after the fall of the Soviet Federation. Look no further than Angola and Mozambique. Your so called western democracies, especially the US government, with the exception of Scandinavian countries don't give a rats @ss about democracy or human rights, especially in the developing world. Screams of human rights and spreading democracy are to keep simpletons like you from thinking too much about what these governments are up to. Watch what they do and not what they say. History is a good teacher!

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 15:12

      no doubt there are political maneuverings behind the scenes, but to suggest that the move towards an inclusive democracy in SA was a farce for aforementioned reasons, is rediculous. like I said before, you get too caught up in all the behind-the-scenes/conspiracy stuff and you ignore the good and more profound elements, such as freedom and rights

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 15:26

      and Fidel, lets assume that this is all because of the US, that they just want to gain influence in Syria for their own agenda, are the people worse off than they were before with that tyrant Assad ? or are they actually still better off with more rights and freedoms. and secondly, are we worse off (assuming your conspiracy theories that the main reason for the push for democracy in SA was for the US to gain influence here etc)now in SA post 1994 where everyone now has equal rights and freedoms ??? (well I could probably argue we are worse off in some respects due to the incompetent and useless government we have .. but thats democracy for you, and I must accept it) so really, your conspiracy theories dont really matter

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 15:31

      Where in my post do I say that the democratic process in SA was a farce? I merely pointed out to you that western powers will choose their corporate interests first over any human right issues, like most governments do, like they did in South Africa. You need to learn and understand that intl politics are about commerce, access to resources and markets. All the other BS about spreading democracy and human rights is just that, BS. So when you hear Hillarious Clinton pontificate about spreading human rights and democracy, know that are code words for, we want that which your country posses. "The pretence of defending democracy and human rights is negated by history" The Rev. Frank Chickane

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 15:35

      Fidel if you are disputing that 1994 was about equality and freedom for all, then you are implying it was a farce !

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 15:38

      the point is that irrespective of any hidden agendas you are rabbling on about, that everyone in SA has equal rights and freedoms now. and with that same thinking, so can the people of Syria, despite your bleeting

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 15:39

      But I never said that, try to read my post again, slowly this time.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-10 15:50

      There's nothing to debate with Fidel. He obsessively holds an immature belief that the West is evil, and the autocratic Russian and Chinese regimes, which have the worst human rights records of any country on Earth, are bastions of human rights and freedoms, and the creators are luminous futures. Everything he writes, and the reality he presents, stems from this faulty core belief.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 16:34

      if thats not what you were implying, then what were you waffling about ? what is your point of saying there are foreign interests/agendas in countries ??? in case you missed it, we are talking about whether all the people of Syria and SA deserved equal rights and freedoms !!!! and I say YES. forget about all your other BS, because in the grander scheme of things, even if true, is not that important. whats more important is that the people get what they deserve. and if they do it, even with supposed Western agendas, then so f*cking what

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 17:13

      How much plainer must I get? Do I have to draw with crayons in bright colours so it clicks? I am against foreign powers inciting unrest in other countries in order to install pliable governments who are beholden to foreign corporate interests. The CIA has done this in over dozen countries since the 1950s causing instability and mayhem to those countries that refuses to be supplicants of western powers.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 17:21

      ok so Fidel says the CIA and Western corporations installed a "pliable" government in SA and is looking to do the same in Syria. even if true (its not worth debating), your precious little Russia did just the same and far more. however, the places that Russia did it in have far fewer freedoms and transparency compared to any "US Sponsored" countries. and why is it so bad that the people got freedom because of the West ??????? so get over it !

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 17:43

      Comprehension is not your forte? In future, please give it just a few seconds - in your case it might take a little longer - of thought between (mis)reading posts and responding. Thanks.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 18:43

      Fidel, I have read some amazing BS of yours, but you realy outdone yourself today. Where the heck do you get all this CRAP from ??? It is UNBELIEVABLE !! Your lapdog, Patrick might just give you an extra 'thumbs up'

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 19:14

      Anthony, you very much misunderstand my character, if you think I give two figs if 10,000 people recommended you and none recommended me.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 19:57

      Fidel, I understand your character better than you think !! And not giving 'two figs' , if hardly anyone agrees with you !! It is no coincidence, that gaddafi, assad, and Mugabe think likewise !!!!

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 09:39

    "We have repeatedly raised our concerns with the Russian government at a variety of levels. We have expressed our belief that continued arms sales to the regime will only further throw flames on the fire," he added. Tell that to the democracy loving Qataris and Saudis. The duplicity, lying and hypocrisy of US politicians is insulting to anyone with half a brain, and more shameless, than it used to be. The level of hypocrisy would be staggering if it had not already become routine.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 09:48

      Never mind Qatar and Saudi Arabia , and 'hypocrisy' WITHOUT Russian arms , SEVENTEEN THOUSAND Syrians, mainly UNARMED civilians, WOULD not have been slaughtered !!!

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 10:16

      Without this fake revolution, 17000 Syrians would be alive today. Irresponsibility is not freedom!

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-07-10 10:31

      The so-called champions of democracy supplied heavy weaponry to the mubarack regime in egypt. Now that democracy is in place,they want gurantees that treaties with isreal will be respected.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 10:46

      Fidel, ""Without this fake revolution"" Tell the Tunisians, the Egyptians and the Libyans, their revolutions were 'fake'

      Stille - 2012-07-10 11:03

      fidel - you are either incredibly stupid and braindead or a troll....go see here the fake revolution you idiot. WARNING - WILL offend sensitive people so do NOT watch if you are sensitive to blood and violence. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26a_1341848089 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34d_1341844945 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a6_1341846905 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=80e_1341333901 Idiot

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 11:08

      Fidel what is wrong with you. you can concoct all your conspiracy theories as much as you like, but even if they were true there is no denying the fact that the Syrians had no freedom, they were pretty much stuck with a dictator that would not give up power. they organized peaceful protests against his illegitimate regime, and got blown away in a way that made Egypt look minor. they then took up arms to fight for their freedom which would not be gotten any other way. what do you not understand ??? do you have a problem with the people of Syria having a proper democracy ? or do you only support tyrants ?? seriously, what is wrong with you

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 11:45

      I like your attempts to undermine by labeling me a troll or "conspiracy theorist". The staple diet of poorly constructed arguments. Your only success is making yourselves look like fools.

      Stille - 2012-07-10 12:13

      let me rephrase then....drol

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 12:32

      In my experience people resort to insults when they know they have no basis for their argument.

      Stille - 2012-07-10 13:53

      read up idiot. Reply to my statement and video proof. And your lack of brains is disturbing

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 13:58

      Idiocy comes with all traces of self-awareness removed.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-10 19:00

      To Fidel, the Arab Spring turned nightmare by Gaddafi and Assad is " a fake revolution". Sad.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-10 21:15

      If anyone wants a fake view of events in Syria and the Middle East, Fidel's your man, by his own admission.

  • ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 14:29

    so Fidel, once again, you are so paranoid about the West getting influence in Syria for some grand scale takeover of the Middle East (I know you have nightmares about this), that you don't care about the Syrian people's plight huh

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-07-10 14:49

      I have good reasons to be "paranoid" about the west. You don't know what their intentions are and yet you want to get pompous with me. You're just blinded by the illusions fed by Hillary Clinton, sanctimoniously preaching about human rights abuses and democracy. I'd have less problem with your ignorance and moral deficiency if you said that Syrians should be allowed to negotiate their future, which is my stance. But you want them to kill each other so that you can point a finger at Assad. Is war Impossible?

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-10 20:31

      ""I have good reasons to be "paranoid" about the west. You don't know what their intentions are and yet you want to get pompous with me"" WOW!!!!! This comment must certainly belong to the most insane ones you made!!!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-10 21:37

      Again, there's no reasoning with Patrick and Fidel. They have one immature core belief: the West is evil. Their entire analysis, if one can call it that, stems from this one faulty belief.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-07-10 21:55

      Fidel you try negotiating with a monster that murdered your family and friends. weirdo

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-07-11 05:55

      Let me tell you "what the problem" is Patrick; Your comments and that of your boss, Fidel, have NOTHING AT ALL , to do with any news24 article. To say that you give one iota about the Syrian people is not only dishonest, but plain absurd. The same counts for the Tunesians, the Egyptians and the Libyans. Why would you care for peoples 15000 km away, while you could not give a hoot about Africans, living on your own continent?? You, and your teacher, have repeatedly said you don't want investments of the West in Africa, nor do you want any Western aid. If this would mean, hundreds of thousands of jobs gone, millions more being hungry and dying of starvation, and millions more being sick without medication, it would leave you stone cold!!!! You don't come with any alternatives, it certainly would not come from Russia, and China just helps itself in Africa!! So you are prepared to let millions of Africans suffer, to satisfy your obsessions with the West ! And than you want to try to covince , that you give a damn about Syrians??? Do you think, this site is full of morons ???? YOU AND FIDEL , "USE" THE SYRIAN PEOPLE IN A DISPICABLE AND SICK MANOR !!!

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