Saudi woman to get 10 lashes for driving

2011-09-27 21:17

Cairo - Saudi activists say a court has sentenced a Saudi woman with 10 lashes for defying the kingdom's ban on women driving.

Activist Samar Badawi says Shaima Ghassaniya was found guilty on Tuesday of driving without the government's permission.

No laws prohibit women from driving, but conservative religious edicts have banned it.

The ruling comes just two days after Saudi King Abdullah announced that, for the first time, women have the right to vote and run in the country's 2015 local elections.

Najalaa Harriri, who is also facing court for driving, told The Associated Press she needed to drive to take better care of her children.

Tuesday's verdict is the first of its kind in Saudi Arabia. Other women were detained for several days, but had not been sentenced by a court.

  • Moon God - 2011-09-27 21:36

    Ludicrous! Saudi, it's time to leave your backward ways behind and catch up with the rest of the world, for goodness sake.

      Shazred - 2011-09-28 10:45

      @ Sharief.... You are such a sexist ass... Go back if you want to live like that and agree with woman abuse, there is no place for people like you in this country...

      avanhuyssteen72 - 2011-09-28 10:56

      Moon god, In Saudi they don't have much crime, aids is not an epidemic and women don't get raped. VIVA Saudi. Won't mind to live there.Only the men can't drive so who is teaching the women??

      riyaad - 2011-09-28 11:42

      Its funny that all of you are against Islam, look at all your Pastors and priests that researched the religion of Islam, they all embraced it, ask yourself why??? Let me tell you, its the only religion that still has every word as it was revealed, we stick to our morals and they ways of the prophets(may peace be with them all), we try our utmost to live the way you portray the prophet in your bible, ask yourself, was Mother Mary oppressed? Our women are only wearing clothes that you portray mother mary to be wearing, so if we oppressing our women then why are you people oppressing mother mary???? think about it, the reason why you all dont accept Islam is because of being afraid to leave the bad you are commiting, Islam does not allow the drinking of alcohol, one of the greatest addictions in your religion, look at the rape cases in saudi compared to SA, makes you want to rethink the law, does it not??? Dont make comments you have no clue about, read up on the religion and i promise you, it will make you think. all the best.

  • bakkebul - 2011-09-27 21:36

    Just doesn't make any sense!!

  • Daniel du Plessis - 2011-09-27 21:44

    The deathely silence from the usual mob of Middle Eastern "human rights activists" is scary.

      Oxygen - 2011-09-28 09:36

      @Sharief Are you completely mad?

      Snowcap - 2011-09-28 10:10

      Dead right Daniel. The usual double stamdards. As for Sharief, he is referring to the fairly regular fatwahs issued by the supreme Muslim council who actually have the final say on any matter, political or social. While I was still resident in Saudi some years back, Saudi women for the umpteenth time agitated for driving rights. God knows, they have very little rights anyway. They were supported my moderates, but the aforementioned body responded with a fatwah (religios decree) which said that for women, driving was a sin - essentially because they would have to uncover their faces, like their counterparts in other Islamic nations who allow women to drive. This would allow men who are not their husbands or family memebers to see their faces, which leads to sin - flirting, adultery, etc. So Sharief is in agreement that for women to drive is a sin. I bet that least one of his mother, mother-in-law, sister, daughter or wife drive, which would make him a miserable hypocrate. Additionally, in Saudi Arabia, a man's vehicle and his driving rights are very often an extension of his male ego and they are not about to surrender that. As an aside, when driving in Saudi it is very common to come across underage boys driving their mothers and sisters around. They are as young as twelve and can hardly see over the steering wheel and dashboard. They sit on piles of cushions and can only just reach the pedals. What do the cops do? They look the other way. I am an eye witness to this.

      Isgaak - 2011-09-28 10:30

      You are all sick you f@#ck##g low scum. You go on about law and order in this country ( SA ). Here is a country where law is law and it means law. I have visited that country quite a few times and I see how people are scared to break the the law. The police reminds me of the old boere police. The Saudis dont care about opinions of non Saudis. So why cont you all go steel some cables, kill the police, or rob the casinos.

  • slg - 2011-09-27 21:57

    They'll be allowed to vote in 2015, but can't drive and will be lashed in the meantime? Chauvinism never did and never will make sense. Disgusting. Saudi's you can do better. This is shameful.

      slg - 2011-09-28 05:56

      This is the society Osama Bin Laden came out of. The Taliban and Al-Quaeda are far more extreme than Saudi Arabia. Incredible to think there is worse. There is. They are. Far worse.

  • granadilla - 2011-09-27 23:07

    Without the governments permission? did she not have a license? was she not allowed to get one? women should not be discriminated against. the media should highlight all the fools that sentenced a woman to 10 lashes for driving! and then lash them

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 11:02

      Sharief, I hope you treat all your wives equally & the ball n chain that is secured to the stove is of equal length...

  • KD - 2011-09-28 07:25

    Disgusting!!! What a bunch of savages!

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 09:36

      Savages are people who eats other would u like if u are called a savage..

      Victoria - 2011-09-28 11:50

      Sharief, you are SUCH a pratt!!!! You are clearly a narrow-minded bigot who has chosen to ignore the role Mohammed's sister was given in his war-mongering! Get a life!!!

  • Tony - 2011-09-28 07:49

    The law is the law - think of the things we can't say in South Africa anymore!

      LittleMiss - 2011-09-28 08:00

      yet we still have people saying those ''things''? and look no one's being lashed or put away?

      st14338637 - 2011-09-28 08:09

      Like shoot the boer?

      Telara - 2011-09-28 08:19

      There is no law banning them from driving, it's a religious edict that does. So it comes down to religion oppressing these women, same as pretty much every other religion...2nd rate citizens as always.

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 09:52

      Tony,people in this country is so prejudice that 1 day they say 1 thing the next day they say another..freedom of speech i suppose,the thing is society is so messed up that we will rather allow our girls to become prositutes or homosexual and we will allow them to drink alcohol yet when Islam diciplines women its big woohaaa...i guess we all human

  • LittleMiss - 2011-09-28 07:57

    how truly sad!!! i hope this woman's courage is enough to empower others!!!

      Victoria - 2011-09-28 11:52

      Sharief - then leave. Go back to wonderful Saudi Arabia if it's so perfect. We don't need your idiotic ramblings here.

      Shazred - 2011-09-28 14:14

      @ Sharief... Then leave, do us all a favour and leave. We don’t need your sexist kind here. The fact that woman have freedom to do as they choose, and wear what they choose, and become what they choose you have a problem with that, somehow it threatens your manhood well guess what times have changed, and woman are strong by nature. You mention drugs etc. What about the men that turn out that way, is that O.K because they are a man. Well as far as I am concerned it is bad whether it’s a man or a woman. Look at the high schools in SA today, and look at what nationality a lot of the girls are that are getting into drugs and alcohol, and then come and preach to us. A lot of the girls are Muslim, and they are rebelling against your stupid laws.

  • Anti Theist - 2011-09-28 08:15

    This is nothing more or less than a RELIGIOUS issue, when is the world going to wake up and realise that RELIGION is the enemy!! How many more women need to be lashed, how many more suicide bombers have to kill innocent people...I ask you; how much more of this BULLSH1T will it take b4 people wake up!?

      GLY - 2011-09-28 08:25

      Anti Theist. I wonder why you have such an issue with religion. You cannot objectively take the actions of a minority of extremeists and ingnore the majority of the comformists. Religion has changed many lives for the good. it is just that these people do not make the headlines. Forming an opinion on an issue by just seeing the minority extreme is not balanced. Look at both the good and the bad.

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 10:00

      These are all singns of the end...God warned us that the day will come when women will want equal rights,they will want to have their freedom,the time is now and when its too late to repent unfortunately HELL will have more women then men,something to think about Anti-Theist(u such an adiot for thinking religion is the enemy,gee whiz)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-28 11:01

      If you don't like God, emigrate to North Korea and see what an antitheist utopia is like

  • IsThatAFact - 2011-09-28 08:26

    If you can try and watch the DVD The Stoning of Soraya M. That should open your eyes a bit.

  • capetonian - 2011-09-28 08:33

    Fundamentalist religious extremism!! I agree with the comments above...where is the local Muslim outrage about the patriarchial attitudes towards women in these Middle Eastern countries? But, let anyone dare bring the name of their "prophet" into disrepute and all hell breaks loose!! Jihads, death threats etc. The sooner religious instruction is removed from the syllabuses of schools in secular states the better!

  • Rich - 2011-09-28 08:35

    Can the Gift of the Givers not go to Suadi and slap the Leaders around!! Maybe this will "aid " those poor females.

      tictoctictoc - 2011-09-28 08:43

      @Rich, it seems to me that there are 2 countries in the world that the USA fear to rebuke, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia. These 2 can pretty get away with murder!

  • Anti Theist - 2011-09-28 08:38

    @GLY Believe me, I have looked at the good and the bad. The bad FAR outweighs the good. One cannot/should not be so naive as not to realise that organised religion has been responsible for more deaths in the history of mankind than anything/anyone else. I dont deny that religion does do some good, but it certainly does NOT have the monopoly over it. Anyone can do good without being religious, but it takes religion to turn a perfectly sane, good individual into a suicidal killer.....IN THE NAME OF GOD!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-28 11:31

      @ Antitheist - I'm Christian, I've been to church 1x all year - organised religion saves nobody; accepting Jesus is what saves. Whatever your views on this is indeed your views, and your right to have those; but logically, if there is a God, but certain people who believe in Him act badly; then does that make God bad, or the people bad? And if they are bad, that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. (a bit like saying that Carlos Tevez is a brat, therefore Roberto Mancini doesn't exist! Well, not quite, but you get the idea) But you'll work it all out one day, whatever views you choose to hold. Personally I am the product of two very atheist countries, hence was an outright atheist, till I became Christian with all my heart. It's done me the world of good... and some call me a nut for having views but hey it goes with the territory :-)

  • zackie - 2011-09-28 08:48

    did she have a licence to drive?

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-28 09:29

    Good grief this is absolutely ludicrous! The emancipation of women must happen worldwide!!!!

  • Thomas - 2011-09-28 09:59

    WTF!!!! Dark ages if you ask me.

  • cat - 2011-09-28 09:59

    @Sharief, your true Muslim male colours are coming out... On the one hand, your religion tells you to put women on a pedestal as they are mothers (clearly this wouldn't apply to me as I chose not to ever engage my uterus) but on the other hand, women must be kept under lock and key so as not to encourage any kind of 'sin' ?? They are revered in Islam but oh, hang on, they're not allowed to pray next to a man in a mosque because they will distract the poor man's attempts at prayer....Shame Sharief, according to your religion, it appears that as an adult male you can't do much let alone think for yourself.

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 10:31

      Its fine,u can either agree ir disagree with me but 1 thing is certain...We donot oppress women,we do not keep them under lock and key,we do not abuse them,this is all media thrash trying to potry Islam as women oppreses...teh thing about women and men praying seperate is more for concentration purposes,anyway u have ur opinion

  • Anti Theist - 2011-09-28 10:13

    @Sharief You envoke my pity...which shall not be given...keep living in your dreamworld you silly amoeba!

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 10:53

      Amoeba...u can call me all the names under the sun,but i will continue to defend Islam,now that is what OUR JIHAD is,not killing innocent people or commiting suicide like the West tells u..have a good day Anti Theist

  • spcwzrd - 2011-09-28 10:15

    To Sharief...You are trying to justify a religion which punishes woman for the sins of men.

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 10:37

      Islam is not a religion but a way of life..the media makes it seem like we oprress women,every Mulsim man or women will agree with me,go out and ask Muslim women if they are being ill treated by Mulsim men,i dont have to tell u anything,go,do ur research...We are all created equal by God,and only God can judge us or punish us,the crap we hear about women being punished for the sins of men is absolutely ludacris...Saudi does not allow women driving,thats their problem,but go out and find 1 story of women oppresion and get back to me,if u dare!

      spcwzrd - 2011-09-28 10:51

      Sharief...why do they need to be cover men aren't even says so in other news articles on the same thing...they are not allowed to drive because they would have to uncover their faces, which would lead men to be lead astray...if this isn't punishing woman because of the sins of men then I don't know. It is also apparent from your comments, that you see woman as the root of all evil and not men never do things that could be considered a sin....yet men seem to be the most sinful and morally corrupt.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 13:36

      Sharief, Isn't a Muslim who drinks & eats pork still a Muslim ?

  • barryjoelm - 2011-09-28 10:23

    Sharief "Savages are people who EATS other people"??? Maybe you ought to go back and finish school.......... If you are the only pro Saudi/Shariah supporter on this story, then I'd have to score it: Muslims - 0, Lions - 10.

      Sharief - 2011-09-28 10:44

      Whatever..maybe i ought to back and get my school fees!I was only trying to tell that guy that is t's not nice to call people savages..i was only saying if Saudi does not allow their women to drive then thats their problem..South Africa has laws,so does Zimbabwe,every one to their own

      Kerpal - 2011-09-28 11:04

      doesnt mean that hes the only guy replying,that hes the only guy supporting it. u make it seem like the amount of support the subject matter gets on this forum will be the deciding factor as to whether shariah is right or wrong.. guess what. the saudis dont give two hoots about u guys opinions. so keep tallying the score.. as long as it makes u happy that u winning :)

  • Anti Theist - 2011-09-28 10:49

    @Sharief, Are you really that stupid!!!? did you not read the headline of this story...there's your 1 example of women being opressed!Clearly your religion does make you naive and stupid....good luck with your martyrdom...I hope it comes soon!

  • Anti Theist - 2011-09-28 11:28

    @Matt, really!? Is that the best you can do...North Korea...I suppose youre going to remind me of hitler next, who (by the way) did everything he did in the name of god! Every belt buckle of the german armed forces bore the words: "Gott mit uns"-god be with us...anyhow, it's a futile excersise trying to debate with indoctrinated religious fanatic. Just carry on believing in fairy-tales if that makes you happy...

      geeghey - 2011-09-28 11:52

      @ sharief- with every comment on every article you just prove over and over again what a moronic oxygen thief you are!

  • TRUE Red - 2011-09-28 11:43

    for those asking "where are the muslims who condemn this ?" Are you aware that there are currently 48 000 PRACTISING MUSLIMS who are being "detained" in Saudi Arabia for doing nothing wrong other than speaking out against such "crimes" as per above ? Make no mistake - what the Saudi government / kingdom does has NOTHING to do with what the Quran or Hadith states, but rather their interpretation of it, much like Al Qaeda The Quran & Hadith states we should protect & treasure our women, not oppress them. There is also nothing wrong with TRUE Jihad, i.e. DEFENDING ones self on the battlefield, not blowing up innocent people & expecting Jannah (heaven) Yes, the west have killed MUCH more innocent muslims since 9/11, but it still doesn't condone "terrorism" It's such a pity that THIS government is such a joke, as 1) it is our holy land & 2) reflects badly on the rest of the billions of Muslims around the world

  • Nico - 2011-09-29 05:11

    You guys who are so enamoured with Islam forget that there is no evidence that Mohammed told the truth about his so-called revelations from God. The Quran contains a lot of concepts that was lifted from the Bible from Christians and Jews who tried to bring him to his senses. There is no evidence of Mohammed's divine encounters he claimed; and if one tried to disagree with him, he was summarily murdered. The Bible, on the other hand, is full of prophecies that came out exactly as prophets, who lived thousands of years apart in different places, predicted. No, my friend, you are being misled with Islam. It is indeed a way of life, sorry, not life, death. We believe in the sanctity of life, you believe in the sanctity of death, which was a character trait of Mohammed. Anyone who really studies the Quran, will reject it immediately.

  • naeem.cassim - 2011-12-04 07:18

    I suppose the common thread in all the posts is that the western ideology and the saudi law are two that shall never meet! It is conservative but yet any country that can deal with crime and the enforcement of law to such a degree where it is safe makes one wonder that perhaps something is being done right ! I dont agree with the fact that woman should not drive but is that a religious hiccup or a traditional Arab view only ! No one has the answers or the means to influence the KSA monarchy so visit it at your own prerogative , mind you the Millions who returned from Haj this year probably have noticed the improvements in the transport, in the facilities and yes in other ways that we who have not visited will comment on in ignorance !!

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