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'Slut walk' hits London streets

2011-06-11 21:42

London - Thousands of women took part in a so-called Slut Walk in London on Saturday, insisting that they should be able to wear as much or as little as they like without facing sexual harassment by men.

The colourful march saw most people wearing everyday clothing but some wore provocative outfits as they marched on London's central Trafalgar Square.

Slut Walk was first held in Toronto earlier this year after a police officer caused outrage by stating that "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimised" during a speech to university students.

The protest soon spread to cities around the world where women joined in huge numbers to challenge the mindset that victims of sexual assault should bear a degree of responsibility on the grounds that they were "asking for it".

The London march kicked off behind a banner reading "Slut Walk London: because we've had enough".

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Others carried placards reading "It's a dress, not a yes"; "Women against rape"; "No means no" and "Hijabs, hoodies, hotpants, our bodies, our choices".

One sign read "We are all chambermaids" - a reference to the Dominique Strauss-Kahn sex case.

The former International Monetary Fund chief has pleaded not guilty to seven counts of sex crimes, including attempted rape, against a 32-year-old woman cleaning his New York hotel suite.

"It's not the victim's fault if they're raped. Some men think they own the right to women's bodies," said 25-year-old student Sofia Capel.

"I reserve the right to dress as I like. It's unusual for us in England to demonstrate like this, but this is too much, what this policeman said," said a casually dressed Rachel Sullivan, 35, who works with adults with learning difficulties.

A man and a woman, walking arm in arm, both wore bras and had the word "slut" written across the midriff.

Student Liz Kedde, 27, wore a see-through top over her bra.

"I think it's important that women are not seen as disposable," she said. "I never dress like this in the daytime, of course."

Several men joined the protest, among them Andy Fell, a 27-year-old sound engineer.

"I came to show my solidarity with my girlfriend, and with the issue as well," he said.

Comments
  • Lucille - 2011-06-11 22:19

    Baika you one of this sick men....

      Warslat - 2011-06-11 22:37

      @ Baika, all guys are sickos women have suspected for a long time, as a guy I confirm it. It's also incurable. While nobody supports rapists I think women should show a little common sense. Women wear low cut tops and then complain if guys look at their boobs. I think they want the attention then want the extra attention of complaining about it. Do they wear these tops so we'll look at their shoes? Sure in a perfect world anyone would be able to wear what they like without consequence but in the real world risky dressing has it's err,,,risks.

      Valis - 2011-06-11 22:48

      Warslat, you're an idiot. How about if I told YOU how to dress? What if I made you wear a full-length sack over your body every time you left the house. Jebus, I can't believe some men are still trying to make women responsible because they can't control themselves. We're not living in the Middle Ages. You are an ass of the biggest order.

      Warslat - 2011-06-11 23:37

      @ Valis, we're all "told" how to dress. If one wants to be accepted as normal one dresses to the current trends and norms. One may not be locked up for dressing differently but one wouldn't dress up as a clown to go for a job interview that wasn't at the circus. Like it or not, that is the real world. Would you let your daughter spend the weekend with a bunch of guys naked, or your mom go shopping in her bikini. I dare you to go to work in your underpants and gumboots, it's your right to do so. There's a difference between ideals and reality, if knowing this and having a little common sense makes me an idiot in your eyes, then so be it, it looks like you can only substantiate yourself by insulting others...well done.

      USSA - 2011-06-12 09:07

      @Warslat. You definitely never get laid. Stupid remarks at best. Look at their shoes then if you can't stop staring. Show some restraint when you get wood.

      BoB - 2011-06-12 13:46

      @ Lucille, you advertise so don`t complain when you get buyers.

      Warslat - 2011-06-12 21:48

      @USSA, I find it amazing that having an opinion on the dangers of "dressing like a slut" and pointing out the danger lets you draw conclusions on my life and lable me a pervert. Sluts are known for their...yodeling, cooking or promiscuity? Provocative - acting as a stimulus or incitement, esp to anger or sexual desire. If dressing provocatively gets the intended reaction, even from unwanted sources, the slut should assume at least a portion of the responsibility. USSA, because I know guys are pigs & dogs doesn't make me a pervert. (well, no more than the average guy). Try taking your argument above the "it takes one to know one" level. Perhaps one day when you're an adult, and possibly capable of conducting yourself as such, you'll understand.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 07:15

      @Warslat - "all guys are sickos".... As I guy I take serious exception to this ridiculous over-generalisation.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 07:16

      Oh P**s off, Bob. Guys like you give the rest of us a bad name.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 09:16

      @ daaivark, I profusely apologise for hurting your incredibly sensetive feelings. Most guys are man enough to take a little tongue in cheek humour, clearly there are exceptions.

      Virginia - 2011-06-13 10:31

      @warslat, I agree, women can wear what they like, but be discrentiable about their dress when going to certain places. We have all kinds of people out there with a very low standard of knowledge, they feel if a women is showing a bit of skin its a temptation for them, and then soem just need to rape for their own needs, which is m ost of the time.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 11:54

      Warslat... given the large volume of comments here, which are NOT tongue in cheek, there is really no need to get snarky. Being straiughtforward does not make me oversensitive and I get very annoyed at the perpetual generalisations generated regarding the behaviour of men. I believe I do have a sense of humour, albeit often rather strange and off-the-wall, but that being said, something should actually be amusing in the first place.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 23:35

      @ Daaivark Every day we make generalisations, we have to, it's the only way to make sense of the world. I get into a lift because it generally doesn't plummet down the shaft, killing everyone inside. I drive a car, generally it's a safe trip. If perpetual generalisations annoy you, you must suffer from many phobias. Having said that, regarding my particular generalisation...maybe it isn't funny because many a true word is said in jest, perhaps for some it's bit too truthful to be comfortable for some. As someone with a self professed "often strange" sense of humour, I'm not sure what authority you have to judge mine. I also said men are pigs, surely someone called DaaiVARK can relate to that. Finally, this thread isn't about you, your tastes, your "wonderful" humour or what annoys you. Get over yourself and back on the topic.

  • Lucille - 2011-06-11 22:19

    "those"

      Werner - 2011-06-12 02:54

      "sluts"

  • Priester - 2011-06-11 22:31

    Eish!! Sluts!!! Suppose you can wear what you want... don't complain when men including myself drool over you. You asked for it or do you want us to look the other way in which case we men will be victimized. You cannot have it both ways……….

      Valis - 2011-06-11 22:48

      Asshole.

      Priester - 2011-06-11 23:01

      @Valis, should I walk down the street in my jocks the only reason would be to draw attention, maybe flaunt what I have and accept that I would be stared at........ Does this not apply to the ladies as well? Should they "dress for success" (which I don't object to) they should accept the "stares". Off course I am not saying they should not complain in the event of them being raped. I will never support that notion as rape can never be justified but hey we men will stare………

      Moi1980 - 2011-06-13 09:01

      Looking is one thing. Touching/raping is another.

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-06-13 10:27

      Eish but I would like to walk in the middle of Tembisa at 2am with a million rand ,rolex and so forth and not get robbed. Lets hold a walk in order get our rights to walk anyway,anytime with as much bling as we want. Damn these township dwellers why won't they lets us walk where we want to walk.

      Virginia - 2011-06-13 10:37

      @Priester what a great world this would be, if we all wore "Burkas" no offense to our muslim ladies where this is a must. Sometimes there has to be some prettiness in the world, and what nicer thena well dressed women, even if she is showing a little bit of boob, its not for any male to think that this is a signal for her to be attacked and raped, yes I will say that the young ladies to day who go out late and drink must be careful of sending the wrong signals, but men in general should not take advantage of this. Sex bewtween two people should be consensual, and not be construde as rape the next morning if you cannot remember what happened.

      jowza - 2011-06-13 11:02

      nice to give it a good eye press

  • Illuminus - 2011-06-11 22:31

    Great way to fight for your dignity. All it takes is one individual to voice their opinion and suddenly a myriad of institutions are to blame...

  • White Wolf - 2011-06-11 23:14

    Pics or it didn't happen...

  • Tracey Erasmus - 2011-06-11 23:20

    If you make the man horny with the outfit take the consequences!!!!!

      Priester - 2011-06-11 23:30

      Yip I'm a man with the ever present H&H, Horny and Hungry but would never forcefully satisfy my needs. No harm in staring though. An’ if you flaunt ‘em I am bound to stare and probably get hornier! Eish life is not easy!

      USSA - 2011-06-12 09:12

      Tracey. Let me guess, you are a virgin prude who never leaves your home except if you are covered from head to toes over your perfectly miss-shaped body. Stop talking $hit!! A woman does not need to be naked to make a man horny. You misunderstand the whole principal of the slut-walk. It is simply about women's rights to dress how they wish without fear. You must be obese. Shut up please.

      K - 2011-06-12 11:05

      I agree you must be really fat!

      Warslat - 2011-06-12 23:44

      @USSA, you go on about how people should be able to dress how they like while baselessly scorning someone for possibly being a virgin, then continue by labeling her fat. So it's OK to wear what you like when you want but not OK to eat what you like when you want? By your logic you can only show skin if you're slim, if one doesn't conform to your ideas of attractiveness then all manner of insults are justified. I wonder if you realise how stupid & ironic your "Stop talking $hit" comment is, probably not. Stupid people aren't clever enough to know how stupid they are, that one of the benefits of being stupid.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 07:17

      Don't be stupid, Tracey.

  • Tracey Erasmus - 2011-06-11 23:21

    If you make the man horny with the outfit take the consequences!!!!!

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 00:18

      @ Tracey - What consequences? Be specific. It is a concern to see a post from a woman with some form of accommodationist implication. Not sure if some male role models in your life have explained that things work that way, but it certainly is a sadly deluded viewpoint.

  • Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-06-11 23:53

    This is London, I am sure that they hardly stood out at all. It seems that anything goes in this great city, where most girls look as though they are dressed for the trade. Sluts? I doubt it, but fashion at the moment seems to be that the "SLUT" look is in, lol.

      K - 2011-06-12 11:54

      I am living in London and woman here dont generally dress like 'Sluts'.

  • eugene smit - 2011-06-12 00:01

    So they want to walk down the streets like a "dog on heat" and not get what they are asking for? If you put your hand on a flame, would you also blame the flame for burning you? If you run in front of a truck and it hits you, would you blame the truck? You cannot blame the way nature works, you get what you seek. Why would any beautiful self respecting women want to bare everything and leave nothing to the imagination. Do you not know that you will never really have a mans love if he cannot respect you, but you would have thousands of mans lust who would treat you like a piece of meat?? How brain dead are people today.....

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 00:40

      @Eugene - Unlike speeding trucks and open flames, normal male human beings, at least those who belong on the right side of the prison walls, have something we like to call impulse control. And yes, you DO blame the rapist when the rapist rapes a woman who just happens to be in the rapist's presence. If the man does not possess the self control and respect to recognize a woman to whom he is attracted, decide to initiate a conversation, get to know her, develop a relationship etc, and in good time be allowed to enjoy mutally consentual intercourse with her, and at any time, back the f*ck off if she gives the signal, then he does not belong in civil society. Yes there are evil people out there who will do wicked things to women, and even to men, but they are not the norm. Should a woman or a man be assaulted in any way by a sicko, she/he is not to blame. The Sicko is to blame.

      USSA - 2011-06-12 09:16

      Eugene. No woman "asks" to be hurt when she risks to show her body more than others. The slut-walk is NOT about sluts man.

      Warslat - 2011-06-12 23:58

      @USSA Slut walk not about "sluts"...do you actually read your comments or are you really this thick? Also, notice the word "risks" in your previous statement, that's what it's all about, understanding risk...but understanding isn't your strong suit is it?

      Ac - 2011-06-13 04:28

      @Warslat USSA is right, the slut walk is not about sluts. From the article above "Thousands of women took part in a so-called Slut Walk in London on Saturday, insisting that they should be able to wear as much or as little as they like without facing sexual harassment by men." It was called a "slut walk" because (once again from the article) "The colourful march saw most people wearing everyday clothing but some wore provocative outfits as they marched on London's central Trafalgar Square." So no need to fight, I think both of you agree on most points and the difference lies in your deliverance. The only way these discriminatory views of people like Eugene can be changed is when all men and all women view each other as equals in society - gender equality, but I cannot stress enough, NOT gender homogenization, I love women, generally they are beautiful to look at and wonderful to hold, touch and feel. So I don't want them to be the same as men, but regarded as equals and protected and valued in a safe society for all.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 06:36

      @ AJ. I don't think there are many who oppose someone's right to wear lots, also a woman who wears lot's is far less likely to draw unwanted attention. It's "slutty" dressers who have a point to prove. I don't think it was called a "slut-walk" BECAUSE "The colourful march saw most people wearing everyday clothing but some wore provocative outfits, but rather DESPITE it. re USSA, I don't think our viewpoints are similar. From his many posts I gather that if USSA were to have his way only women with great figures should be allowed dress provocatively. USSA said "There is a time and place for everything. I am defending my girlfriend's rights to walk next to me in hot pants if she wants to....as long as it is done with style and class. Most importantly in this case....she has the body to do it successfully" Clearly he feels his preferences should dictate who can wear skimpy clothing and from his other posts anyone overweight can be insulted. It's pure ignorance, arrogance and devoid of logic and common sense. Regarding your 2nd paragraph, nobody said men & women were the same, nor did anyone argue they should enjoy different rights. However, men are typically physically stronger. Sadly this is something the fairer sex should be cognisant of when dressing daringly.

  • boramk - 2011-06-12 00:43

    Wait, are people actually saying its a girls fault for a sick man's desire to rape?

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 01:01

      Yup, even Tracy Erasmus above implies that girls who 'make men horny with their outfit' should 'accept the consequences'.

      Krolie - 2011-06-12 06:11

      @boramk=Well I disagree. I think women should not be provocative in what they are wearing (revealing/see through) and that includes their posture and actions - deliberately trying to attract attention - because that will obviously send the wrong message. BUT If I for instance wear a nice cool top, and you can get clothes that do not reveal but are extremele sexy, it does not mean that I am inviting any advances from men. I think the crucial thing is that if a guy THINKS the woman is trying to grab his attention in her manner, clothing etc, then he should make his intentions clear to her. When she says no, well guys, it means NO!! and basta with the rest.

      jevoixtout - 2011-06-12 19:38

      Think of it this way. Why don't prostitutes cover themselves from head to toe. They tend to show off as much as they can in public to send out the signals to men. So ladies, it's your choice to dress as you please. But don't cry foul when you get mistaken for a pro.

  • Pieter - 2011-06-12 01:47

    I am living in the rural area of the old transkei.I am told that most of the black women are wearing tight cycling shorts under their dresses, which dresses are normally quite modest. I am told that it is a last defense against being raped, for obvious reasons. i'm sure that everyone has heard or seen incidences where taxi drives, or other male members of the public, ripped provacatively dressed women's clothes from their bodies in order to humiliate them. I think it is clear that different customs and rules exist, but one thing is universally repugnant, and that is rape. I vote to reinstate the death penalty for rape.

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 11:30

      When entertaining accommodationist thoughts regarding various customs and cultures for fear of offending peoples' delicate sensibilities, it helps to ask oneself what if only one person in the world did what this custom or culture sees fit to do ie rip a womans clothes off and feel self-righteously justified in doing so. This act in isolation is patently abhorrent. So why does the fact that hundreds, maybe thousands of people do it to women on a daily basis not make it hundreds or even thousands of times worse? When practices become 'part of our culture' we tend to allow things we would normally despise in isolation. That is pretty dangerous. We need to stop accommodating cultural practices which are so obviously wrong.

  • Team Defignition - 2011-06-12 01:49

    NO!!! So some of you people are saying that, if someone dresses like a hooker, they should expect that no one would think they are actually hookers? Bit weird right? If I dressed as a policeman then people should expect me to be a policeman right? Same principle applies and that HAS to be looked upon in isolation of rape!!! Men who rape women are scum, but knowing that these scum exist and putting a target on your back is just dumb. In an ideal world we would all want to dress however we want to but the world is not fairies and stardust, it houses some sick individuals and that should be considered in the same way you lock up your house to prevent stealing. Women are precious and should safeguard themselves from the psychos that are out there. Its just the reality, unfortunately.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-12 07:56

      Team I disagree there should no be compromise on this.Even if walking naked there should be a clear message, dont rape.Question too you is just how much clothing is needed to prevent from being raped.Whats revealing to me might be different to what is revealing to you.

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 11:36

      Using the same logic, we should remove any fancy jewelry or fancy cars from society. In fact, we should make a law banning these items. These items are a 'target on our back' if we own them, because some thief or hijacker is going to want to relieve us of these nice objects, and may even kill us in the process. So the solution is to only allow gold bands for rings, no gemstones allowed, and necklaces without any form of pendant on them. Then we should confiscate all cars and force everybody to drive a white Fiat Uno. Can't have anybody making themselves a target now can we? Don't even get me started on limiting the size of flatscreen TVs to 28" worldwide. Can't have anybody outdoing their neighbours and buying a bigger TV. Heck the neighbour might fly into a jealous rage and murder your family just to get that TV with the bigger screen.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 02:39

      @ Team...agree 100% @ Epicurius You bring up the topic of jewelry, of course it shouldn't be banned, however would you walk unprotected down a darkened alley flashing this jewelry. In a prefect world you could, however in the real world it would make you a target. Would it be your fault robbers were there? No. Would it be your fault you were robbed? To some degree it would be. You flashed the bait and got a bite. Does that make bobbery forgiveable? Not one bit. It's all about risk management and a little common sense.

      Epicurius - 2011-06-13 08:48

      @ Warslat - The thing is, most often, people are forcefully relieved of items such as jewelry, fancy cars, big screen TVs and sometimes even their lives....in their own homes. Just as plain women, who don't dress slutty, are also raped, in their own homes. Agreed that the numpty who walks down Abel road in Hillbrow wearing his Breitling watch is asking for it. I will also conceed that an attractive woman, scantily dressed, walking down a dark alley in Hillbrow would likely increase her chances of being mistaken for either a prostitute or simply targetted for rape. However, I don't think this is what the slut-walk was about. The above assumption of 'she looks like a pro, so she must be a pro' is made by an alarmingly large amount of people, says a great deal about how far we still have to go to be a truly civil society. That such a fine line is walked at all times by rapists, where just the slightest trigger ie the sight of a scantily clad woman, is enough to make him go all caveman on her is also the sign of our society's true Phillistine nature. We once again have to maladapt to cater for the lowest common denominator. I agree risk management is the name of the game and I guess in some ways I am admittedly a little idealistic.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 12:06

      @ Epicurius I think we're pretty much on the same page, the only thing I'd like to clarify (and I'm sure you'll agree) is even prostitutes don't deserve to be raped. Thought I'd better mention that as Daaivark or some other overly sensetive person would desperately try read the converse into your statement.

      Epicurius - 2011-06-13 21:33

      @ Warslat - Agreed, not even the pro's deserve rape. It's shocking that we do hear about cases where it has happened and the girl has tried to press charges and the police have chased her away.

  • Werner - 2011-06-12 02:54

    Gay men are already there to make the quota for "men who don't stare". HOWEVER, they might send you home crying for pointing out your horrible fashion sense.

      tryanything - 2011-06-12 06:35

      too cold here

  • Mishka - 2011-06-12 07:37

    Thank goodness there are still men who will LOOK at women in appreciation, and not imagine that they have the right to the use of the womens body because she has a short skirt or a revealing top on. Those here who mention the word STARE are the ones to be concerned about. Leering is a more appropriate word, and I can only imagine the drool at the corners of the mouth. Thank goodness that these perverts are in the minority, and they are. There are many men who appreciate the woman, will look, but not stare or leer. A decent man would attempt to strike up a conversation with the woman, and if she makes it clear that she is not interested, move along. Thank goodness there are still many of them around. Those who feel they have the right to drool haven't moved away from the dark ages yet. Natural instinct or not, the human brain is a strong tool and should be used by men to control themselves. And men run the majority of countries - scary scary thought

  • edis_pilF - 2011-06-12 07:42

    Pohmy skanky ho's...God bless their souls!

  • soutie76 - 2011-06-12 09:24

    If you're in the wild and you know there is the odd lion walking about, you wouldn't walk around with a couple of steaks dangling off you. A predator (irrespective of species) doesn't care about what you think you should or should not be allowed to do, if they see a target they will attack it; and in the human world, dressing in a sexually provocative manner or flaunting your wealth in public is making you a big, noisy, shiny target - much like the weak antelope that strays from the herd. The human race only exists and thrives today because men are designed to want sex and women are designed to want babies - extremes on both 'sides' use each other to get what they want and on the male side some don't bother to ask. No-one, but no-one is excusing rape or even saying women are to blame if they dress a certain way, all we are saying is that whilst rapists exist (and they will unfortunately for the forseeable future, the same as murderers and thieves), protect yourself by not drawing attention to yourself. It is wrong that you should have to be restricted lke this, but there are many things wrong with this world and we all have to live within those restrictions whilst hopefully striving for that elusive perfect world.

      USSA - 2011-06-12 09:48

      BLA BLA BLA Soutie, all is correct in your comprehensive comment, but restrictive living is not up to the collective. It is a personal choice and should be respected. We are not animals, horn-dogs maybe, but we have the choice to respect a woman's wish to dress as she wishes.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-12 10:20

      soutie a rapist will rape it takes a little bit for them to get triggerd. Even where I live in a Moslem country getting dressed in a conservative western way is being seen as provocative and slutty by some men.When raped the woman getting told they have asked for it.Fact of the matter is where do you draw the line. Rape should be the crime!

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 11:53

      The thing is, Soutie76, a lion will eat you regardless of the steaks dangling around your neck. The error in your reasoning is to fail to appreciate that lions eat for sustainance and this is a normal biological function they need to satisfy. There is no malice in a lion eating an antelope. Yes, the weak, slow antelopes are thinned from the herd, the following genrations are faster and stronger, then only the faster stronger lions can catch them etc etc. The typical biological arms race. Most of us get that. Rapists, however are deviants from normal human behaviour and are not some more advanced stage of human evolution, but rather an abberation of human psychology and while they pose a clear and present danger to women and girls in our society, and women and girls should definietly be careful, we cannot impose draconian dress laws on them.

      soutie76 - 2011-06-12 15:06

      @Epicurius Apologies for using a lion as an analogy - it does indeed hunt for food, not for some deviant reason, but you miss my point... Deviants exist. Fact. And the very word 'deviant' shows that these people are not normal and don't have normal powers of self-control otherwise they would, by definition, not be deviant. Therefore protect yourself by not being a bigger target than is necessary. I never once implied we need 'draconian' dress restrictions, I am only suggesting you shouldn't try and dress to stand out in a sexually provocative way. I know deviants don't just attack women in body hugging mini-skirts the same as muggers don't just attack people flashing wealth, but as anyone with an iota of self-defence or military knowledge (or even just common sense) would tell you, you reduce the risk by not drawing attention to yourself - especially in a nightlife environment where alcohol can turn some people deviant quite easily. I personally would love to be able to drive around in South Africa with my laptop on display in the front seat with my windows open and my doors unlocked and I believe it should be my right to do so, but because I'm aware of a thing called 'reality', I don't.

      soutie76 - 2011-06-12 15:16

      @USSA From your charming avatar, I can see I'm running a risk by trying to have a sensible debate with you, but here goes anyway... I don't think you actually read my comment fully, or if you did, you certainly didn't understand it. All normal men should respect a women's right to dress as she wishes - I never suggested otherwise. What I was attempting to get across was that whilst deviants (i.e. human sexual predators) exist, women would reduce the risk of drawing unwanted attention to themselves if they dressed in a more modest fashion (and, no, I don't mean covered up from head to toe). Please see my reply to Epicurius for further clarification.

      Epicurius - 2011-06-12 16:08

      Fair enough Soutie76, points taken.

      USSA - 2011-06-12 17:38

      Hi Soutie I did not insult your avatar or opinion. Please don't insult me. I could have called you a "soutp.el, but I deemed that an insult of note. As for my intelligence, I have proven for a long time that I argue sufficiently without scrutiny like yours.

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 03:19

      @ USSA Funny that you get upset by what you percieve as insults against you. Wasn't it you who basically called me a pervert who never gets laid. Daika you named a "date-rape contender" that you "will gladly sm@ck you until you wake up!" Tracey you labelled as an obese virgin prude who has a perfectly mis-shapen body and told ther to "stop taking $hit" On top of this you try vouch for your intellect with a clumsy sentence like "As for my intelligence, I have proven for a long time that I argue sufficiently without scrutiny like yours". I'm actually embarressed for you and think your avatar is very appropriate.

      soutie76 - 2011-06-13 07:48

      @USSA People that have to tell other people how intelligent they are, are ofen not as intelligent as they think. In any event, I never questioned your intelligence, just your ability to have a sensible debate, which, having had a look at a few of your comments, was a perfectly justified opinion to take. I also never insulted your avatar, which, by the way, is the picture next to your nickname (they are not the same thing). I simply believe a middle-finger as an avatar says a great deal about the person it represents. As I suspected though, there was no sensible argument back from you on the actual subject of the discussion so I will consider the matter closed.

  • ElKapino - 2011-06-12 09:50

    Wonder why they call you a bitch

  • CPChronicle - 2011-06-12 10:09

    It is my right to walk through Khayelitsha, with my wallet stuffed full of money dangling on a chain around my neck... Women are not asking for it, and I am sure a physchologist would have a field day with this one, discussing control issues etc (you can look but not touch- I am in control of that and so on) but in the modern world you have to have a bit of commonsense. It is the same issue as with children- when I was young we used to go all over on our own, no parent in their right mind would allow that now- there are just too many nutters in the world. There is a time and a place for all things and a need for moderation in all things- wearing what amounts to undies in public places is ridiculous and we should say so, the same thing in a night club is probably more acceptable. You just have to realise in this day and age their are too many unhinged people who don't need justification to do anything, nevermind encouragement.

      jevoixtout - 2011-06-12 19:13

      I agree with you. Commonsense is not a general thing anymore. As for the control thing, exactly that. If you want to compete with men in a work place don't diplay your fuzz when bending over the fax machine and expect to be taken seriously at the next board meeting.

  • leb06 - 2011-06-12 11:15

    I think then, woman should be allowed to dress the way they want, without the pressures of harassment, but, especially the older woman, you are setting a terrible example for your kids and the youth of our nations. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but in recent years, I'm finding that when i go out, or anywhere, there are so many beautiful woman, BUT , they arent the age they appear or say they are! I know USSA is gonna bitch and moan, DICK! But its true, you cant speak to a woman without the fear that she is wayyy underage! Going to the movies, you see 10 years and up wearing short skirts, tryin to be Paris Hilton, is that where we want our world to head to??? SO yes, woman, by all means, where what and when you want, but just remember the example you are setting, there are appropriate and unappropriate times to wear certain things... Im trying to be as unbiased as possible, but in the end, it boils down to , us men wont understand!!!

      USSA - 2011-06-12 15:49

      I agree with what you say. Surprised?? There is a time and place for everything, so drop the USSA slam session. I am defending my girlfriend's rights to walk next to me in hot pants if she wants to....as long as it is done with style and class (and it can be done like that). Most importantly in this case....she has the body to do it successfully.

      KanaMay - 2011-06-12 22:39

      There are many cultures, not necessarily primitive, where (young) girls are expected, even required, to wear short skirts. If I could wear my primary school's summer dress now (enlarged & lengthened at the same rate, of course), I'm sure it would look quite provocative. Some schools actually thought that delinquent girls preferred the long skirts to hide stuff hanging along their legs, so girls were punished for wearing their big sisters' skirts without altering the hem length. If you live in a tropical island, a girl wearing long blouse & trousers would look crazier & more inappropriate than a girl in a bikini. Durban for example can be quite hot even at night, almost tropical climate in summer, so why should girls not be allowed to wear thin, short dresses without attracting danger ?! Are we supposed to boil & faint in thick dress?

      Warslat - 2011-06-13 03:32

      @ USSA You have no logic at all. All along you've been saying women should be able to wear what they want when they want, but now qualify it with stipulations like "as long as it is done with style and class" and "she has the body to do it successfully". Make up your mind moron. Everyone should enjoy the same rights regardless of age, taste or form. What I'm saying is they should be mindful of the signals they send out and dress appropriately. They have every right to dress inappropriately if they want but should share some of the blame should their attention seeking fall on unwanted eyes. Real world common sense...you won't get it.

      Sasha25 - 2011-06-13 12:28

      There is a time and place for everything!Women need to take pride in their dressing and be classy no slutty. Surely you can not dress like a slut when going for a job interview or would you allow your daughter to go to school wearing sexy lingerie.At the same time not all men are perverts and rapists but there are the sicko's out there.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-06-12 11:38

    Rape never can be excused. But to all those so indignant about male reactions : Have you ever heard of something called "body language"?

  • hafezhamza - 2011-06-12 11:52

    a woman wears such clothes and expect something not to happen.its impossible.if she has to wear modest clothes no one will even look at her.she wont have anything to complain about.if u have a million bucks of cash in your hands and you walk in a place in the night time which is crowded with drug addicts,gangsters,robbers etc.. and you expect nothing to happen than this is just being foolish.why dont they just roam around naked instead.since seeing that they are so civilised.

      Moi1980 - 2011-06-13 09:15

      It's impossible for a woman wearing a sexy outfit to expect nothing to happen??? Your mentality is just as bad, if not worse as that of the rapists. No person should have to choose an outfit based on the fear of being attacked because of what they are wearing.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 09:21

      These reactions are such rubbish and an insult to normal thinking men, who do NOT suddenly feel a need to jump up and rape every good looking woman they see in a short skirt. It is called self-control, and hey, SURPRISE, some men are even capable of exercising it. And I am not even religious.

  • Vickers - 2011-06-12 12:34

    In modern society dress code does play an important role. If I wear a rugby jersey I am not necessarily of to go and play the game, if I don my leathers I may be on my way to start the old 750, if a woman wears a short skirt and low neckline she is not necessarily a tart. BUT If I wear my rugby boots I am at the point of taking the field, if I grab the helmet the 750 will rumble down the street, And if a woman looks like a whore...??? Never before in the history of mankind did the fairer sex send so many confusing signals. Madam if you let it all hang out I will look. It is called the chivalrous reflex, no I will not throw you to the ground and ravish you, I am a civilized man and in control of my urges,(And my wife would not be impressed). But as long as you are advertising do not be horrified if you are confronted with a lot of shady characters interested in buying.

  • Team Defignition - 2011-06-12 17:49

    I'm just saying apply a bit of common sense, we all agree rape is wrong and people should wear what they want but there are sickos out there and you are tempting them. It's that simple. If its worth the probably limited risk of being raped then amen to you and I hope it all works out, it is definitely the womens prerogative to wear what she wants, we have free will after all. We good men should protect our women from these animals. Society has failed them. It's the honest sad truth.

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-06-13 08:38

    If I wear a police uniform you will think I am a police man ,so if you wear push up bra,fish nets ,short skirt and clear high heels I am going to think you are a hooker

      Moi1980 - 2011-06-13 09:21

      So a hooker is asking for rape then?

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 09:22

      With logic like yours I might just think you're an a**ehole.

  • Claude Hannah - 2011-06-13 09:38

    Some very logical arguments from Warslat and Epicurius, but I don't see the point in arguing with a troll. USSA is clearly trolling this thread. Valis is obviously just an irrational feminist. The point is actually so simple... In a perfect world, there would be no crime. In the real world though, there are criminals and it just makes sense to try and protect yourself from them.

  • craig - 2011-06-13 09:50

    lmao, just because you dress like a slut, it doesnt mean that you are a slut AND just because i act like a sexual predator it doesnt mean that i am one.

  • Jannie Swem - 2011-06-13 10:16

    well done to these women.... we should have a march like this here... unfortunately the police will have to protect them or a private security firm.... cause we all know in South Africa to a man.... No means, stuff you woman its my right..... makes me sick.

  • Taurus15 - 2011-06-13 10:35

    Why do women wear tight and revealing clothes? To be seen and admired - Period!

      Moi1980 - 2011-06-13 12:59

      Yes, to be seen and admired...a very far cry from asking to be raped.

  • jowza - 2011-06-13 10:57

    hope we have a slutwalk here in jhb

  • Xeva - 2011-06-13 11:31

    It is about some men refusing to take responsibility for their actions. Don't blame a scantily clad woman for your own lack of self control.

      daaivark - 2011-06-13 12:07

      THERE WE GO. Nice comment.

  • xip - 2011-06-13 12:47

    @Baika....how would you feel if someone raped your mother,sister or wife because the way they dresses was too hot for them. you'd tell them no to complain huh!!! you are way beyond stupid!

  • Cire - 2011-06-13 12:54

    Cool - any video of the march?

  • hp - 2011-06-13 13:02

    The bottom line is women have the right to dress as they please! We are civilized human beings, and if you cannot handle the way a woman dresses to the extent that you want to rape her, then you’re the one at fault, not her. They way she dresses can never be a justification for savage behaviour like rape!

  • blaman - 2011-06-13 15:07

    I support the idea of this walk. However , if I had a daughter I would NEVER EVER want her to dress like this. They are making objects of themselves. Women , please get some self respect and dress comfortably without provoking men. I 100% agree that no matter what a women is wearing, nothing gives a man the right to rape them. And any man that does so must be locked up and castrated. Unfortunately especially in a country like South Africa , the majority of teens listen to their hormones more than their minds. So if a attractive high school girls goes to a party wearing barely anything, I honestly fear for her safety.

  • MaraisV - 2011-08-14 14:58

    In a theoretical society, women should in fact be allowed to wear what they want, when they want to. Within limits of course, as certain situations demand certain types of dress codes. But one has to look at it objectively; as a man I know what thoughts go through the average joe's mind when he sees a girl wearing revealing clothing. With a statistical increase in female assault cases, women should definitely use their own discretion when it comes to what they are wearing with regards to where they are going and what company they might find themselves in. I think that women are, to a certain extent, responsible for looking after themselves, although the majority of the responsibility does NOT fall on them.

  • MaraisV - 2011-08-14 21:40

    drol views

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