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Syria: Obama decries 'outrageous bloodshed'

2012-02-10 08:59

Washington - US President Barack Obama on Thursday decried the "outrageous bloodshed" in Syria as government forces launched a deadly blitz on the protest city of Homs.

Government troops trying to crush opponents of President Bashar Assad have killed at least 400 people in a relentless six-day onslaught on Homs, opposition activists say. Rights groups estimate that more than 6 000 people have died in the nationwide crackdown since mid-March.

In comments after White House talks with Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti, Obama also reiterated calls for Assad to leave power.

"We both have a great interest in ending the outrageous bloodshed that we've seen and see a transition from the current government that has been assaulting its people," Obama said.

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  • Fidel - 2012-02-10 09:09

    The world decries the outrageous bloodshed in Iraq, Afghanistan,Yemen, Pakistan, Libya and Syria. Speaking with forked tongue is evidence of delusional (diseased) mental processes; left untreated, the patient’s condition degenerates into full blown madness and ultimately death. America arrived at the door of “full blow madness” when it embraced George Bush jnr and his world view…Oh, I almost forgot to mention - there is no cure…

      Fred - 2012-02-10 09:22

      The delusional, mental processes are clearly yours, Fidel. You're undermining the support that Syrians so desperately need with your deranged view of the world. And your thoughts are beyond distorted and inverted.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 09:33

      It is Obama and you who are delusional. The US has no moral authority to decry any killing by anyone as they have gone on a killing spree non stop for the past 10 years now with no signs of letting up. It is this kind of disconnect from reality that reminds me of someone who is psychotic.

      Sanesh Allopi - 2012-02-10 09:41

      Agree that the US is not perfect. But if u were to compare its policies, constitution, values etc with most of the areas mentioned, there is little doubt that the US is the country that most people would identify with. Lots of people have an issue with the US's interference, but I always try and think of where the world would be now without an America. Nazi Germany would have won WW2, entire ethnic groups and races would be wiped off the Earth or enslaved. America does defend its wealth and Allies and takes stesps to safeguard oil supply etc (this BTW benefits more than just the US), but personally I still think that we're better of with them than without. In the case of Syria, we can try and over-complicate the situation with tons of analysis of why it's in the state it is and who is responsible BUT the simple most important thing is that 1000's are dying and all the US is asking for is for that problem to be addressed. Why would anyone make that out to be a bad thing ?

      Fred - 2012-02-10 09:42

      Other way around again, Fidel. Just flip your ideas and you're right on a truer reality.

      Leon - 2012-02-10 09:49

      dude stop smoking that green sh@t

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 09:55

      @Sanesh You watch too much Hollywood movies, like Independence Day, where American soldiers save the world from Aliens. It was the Red Army that defeated Germany, without it Europe would have/had been overran. Most people? who are those people, Africans, South Americans, Indians, Arabs or Muslims,Vietnamese, Serbians, Cambodians or Fillipinos. It is only the white Europeans who hold America in high regard. Most of the people of the world have been on the receiving end of American Imperialism. If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past century, this is what crawls out. Invasions, bombings, overthrowing governments, suppressing movements for social change, assassinating political leaders, perverting elections, manufacturing "news", death squads, torture, biological warfare, depleted uranium, drug trafficking, mercenaries, etc. Calling the US imperial history anything not being perfect is hilarious, and would certainly mark you out as a child in grown-up company. Your Ma'm are befallen with US exceptionalism!

      Pierre - 2012-02-10 10:05

      Fidel is correct. There is a quite a bit of hypocrisy here. The US has killed between 10 and 20 times more people in Iraq alone than what Syria is doing. I do not remember any of you speaking out then.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 10:09

      @Leon Supercilious wannabe smart-alecky one-liners do not an argument make. Away with you!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-10 10:45

      @ Fidel. Not getting involve too much with the for or against USA in this comment. Only a correction. The reason why so many German soldiers died with the invasion of Russia was due to unpreparedness for the Russia winter and the fact that Russia burned down everything while pulling back deeper in cold Russia. This action cause a big blow to Germany. Why were they unprepared? Mussolini bit off bigger than he could chew and they first had to assist him and they run out of time. Who kept Mussolini busy? Americans, GB and Allies. The Russians was only strong on the ground and due to numbers, but If the west did not help to destroy the air attacks they would have died like flies....and , with no disrespect, they partly did. The Russians was the closes of the "Big Boys", but they contribute less than the others. They were not the best army and had to rely on numbers. That fact that they were able to race to Berlin to claim half was mostly due to the Americans's air strikes. I am also not to fond of the USA and differ a lot from them, but I must agree with Sanesh. We are better off with them than without them. our own continent, with all these minerals, would have suffered if Germany won.( this is now if you look at their track record against different races) The fact remains that USA 1st look after their own people before others and this logic is there since the begin of times and all countries do it. Like it or not.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-10 10:47

      Please , 'American Exceptionalism' was coined by Stalin (the guy who killed untold millions in Gulags) to chastize american communists for not falling inline to his own communist doctrines . Notebly any country subscribes to exceptionalism. Please name one country that can stand up against the killing without someone saying its , hypocritical ?

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 11:03

      @Coetzee Fair enough re Russia and WW11, and you call losing over 20 million of your populace a less contribution. I direct these remarks to readers who have to deal with the cheerleaders who turn into a stone wall upon hearing the United States accused of acting immorally; America, they are convinced, means well; their motives are noble. And if they do something that looks bad, and the badness can't easily be covered up or explained away ... well, great powers have always done things like that, They're no worse than the other great powers of history, and a lot better than most. You tell this to the people who have been at the receiving end of American hegemony. @Ninja Non imperialistic countries have more legitimacy to criticise than the US could ever have. The US right wing admits that they believe in US exceptionalism. They see nothing wrong with that. A foreign policy of domination and exploitation.

      Justin - 2012-02-10 11:35

      Fidel, you are a bigot! You hide behind freedom of speech to spew your rubbish! Go to Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan and try your freedom of speech there! If you were ask any Syrian now, if they wanted the USA to help them, do you think they would NO? Do you think they would first pull out the record book to track America's Human rights history or would they just say " get us the hell out ". If you are so anti America and Hollywood, you should not be using Windows or Apple nor Drink Coke or Pepsi!! So Please STOP talking CRAP!!!!! Away with YOU!!!!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-10 11:41

      @Fidel. 20mil. targets do not contribute to win a war. The target that illuminate the shooter does. Said with no dis-respect against people who lost their lives. Your statement was that the Red Army won the war. That was wrong. Yes, I know the American's also P" me off sometimes, but there will always be super powers doing it to another. I just do not understand why a nation put him selves out as a sucker and when get the scorn of theses offended they cry high and low. You do not take one on and when get smacked you pretend to be holy and try to convince the spectators it was never you who were the aggressor. People need to understand that the world, like it or not, gets build on survival and greed. It took a clever player, if not strong, to secure your space. This does not make anything right, where a superpower overplay his hand, but remember his people comes 1st. USA could for the same effort and money started years ago to take over strategic countries and bomb all who develop any weapon that got opposed them. They did not. When spending so much money of your own budget on the rest of the world, you must understand that they want to have a say in it. If one does not like it you must not take their monies, create your own wealth and become a power on your own. Believe me, there is a lot of things and ways, that I don't like and they are the source of it, but I can't ignore there good contribution as well. I agree, blind support is foolish.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 11:48

      @Justin No matter how many bloodcurdling adjectives you try to pack into your post, I'm not sure anyone else will be bothered about missing out on the 'opportunity' to provide a cover for American hypocricy and barbarity.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 12:07

      @Coetzee Principally, one must come to the realization that the United States strives to dominate the world. Once one understands that, much of the apparent confusion, contradiction, and ambiguity surrounding Washington's policies fades away. If it has always been part of history for some to dominate others, conversely there are those who have resisted domination. I am an African whose history has been dominated by westerners for over 400 years now and am I supposed to be ok with this. I bow to no-one in my dislike of American imperialism!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-02-10 12:14

      @Fidel. I think we have a problem. This time I will be dominated with you. We need to learn Mandarin.lol.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 12:40

      @Coetzee Ni Hao, I sugget you all start learning mandarin. China is the world's only hope of challenging the Western elites. We need a bit of soft balancing. I appreciate your comment. It's always good to discuss differences of opinion, rather than simply seeking to dismiss other people's views because they don't happen to conform with one's own preconceived ideas.

      Fred - 2012-02-10 14:06

      Pierre, you're seriously confused. Almost all the civilians killed in Iraq have been by car bombs and suicide attacks by the murderers you support. Dude, get your facts straight, mainly for your own good.

      Pierre - 2012-02-11 02:52

      @ Fred – You are the confused one. If you cared to do a basic google search you would have seen that statement of yours is rubbish. Up to a 1/3 of killings is a direct result of American action. Then the car bombs etc are a result of the war. America is also responsible for deaths caused by the instability of the war.

      Fred - 2012-02-11 10:03

      Pierre, that's a typical irresponsible and wrong analysis and understanding of whats been going on in Iraq, so obviously wrong in fact that your view has very little impact. Every right thinking person knows that civilian casualties caused by NATO have been minor, and the vast majority have been caused by car bombs and suicide attacks. That you hold NATO, in fact one country of NATO, the US, responsible for the suicide attacks and car bombs which they have nothing to do with and which are caused by Al Quaeda and the Taliban, absolving the latter of all responsible is so obviously wrong to be laughable if it was not so stupid and tragic. Again, your view is weak and irrelevant because it is so wrong.

      Pierre - 2012-02-11 14:44

      @ Fred - None of your ramblings are reflected in the media or other documented form. You are just one of those with no argument that think by calling people names you have some point, but you don’t. From your commentary I conclude you don’t read much. Rumsfeld himself acknowledges 30000 estimated civilian deaths during the initial invasion alone, mostly due to the US bombing. (This is already about 1/3 of total recognised civilian deaths of the entire war). That number however excludes the later attack on Fallujah and other military action including civilian casualties at US checkpoints. (To translate that for you, the total number of civilian deaths directly due to US action is then more than 30000.) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War) Then how can the US possible NOT be held accountable for the political instability. They caused it when they attached Iraq, an attack based on false (or falsified) information on WMD. I am not particularly against the US, I admire them for a lot, only I believe humans need to set up international law under which ALL countries are accountable and judged equally.

  • Dean Hart - 2012-02-10 10:06

    So tell us fidal are you trying to say that because America are involved it's alright what the syrian government are doing to their people over 6000 people killed by security forces!!!!!!!!!!! It's disgusting and he will inevitably pay for these heinous crimes against humanity!

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 10:24

      No, I am saying that the US has no authoirity to lecture anyone about killing as they have been responsible for the worst killings in recent years with no justification whatsoever, but because they are Americans and they can do what they like. Maybe the US would be in better shape if it stopped making sanctimonious hypocritical statements about freedom and democracy, stopped starting wars all over the globe, and minded its own business.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-10 11:23

      Really! Thats just opinionated lies mixed with half truths without context. I hear very little critisism of Russia's veto hypocracy, who invaded multiple countries , refused independence of eastern european countries , slaughtered millions of their own , invaded Goergia ect. Or China, who through their Govt negligence resulted in over 70 million deaths last century . Hardly the ones you'd expect to have any veto power .Reality is they have and so does America who by any comparison is hardly the war mongering death dealer made out to be.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 11:38

      The US is so morally screwed-up, especially in its foreign policy, that, it can make war and hypocrisy appear virtuous. Since the Second World War, the US has: - Attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, most of them democratically-elected. - Attempted to suppress a populist or national movement in 20 countries. - Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries. - Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries. - Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders. I think Syrians has a bit of catching up to do. And having said that, why on Earth should the world or Syria listen to the US? They've done nothing to ear their respect and have no power to demand it.

      Tommy - 2012-02-10 12:06

      There's a classic moment in the movie "Saving Private Ryan" where the captain tries to justify the loss of his men in war. The conclusion was that the loss of one man could mean that because of his actions leading to his death (war), could potentially save the lives of 10, 20 or a 100 other people he was fighting for. Now I'm just thinking, how many would have died if the USA didn't get involved in some of the world conflicts compared to how many did actually die. Also remember, USA military involvement means action against political and military targets. No USA military involvement normally means military action by leaders against their own civilian population.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 12:33

      The only justified intervention was WW11, all other proxy wars have American intelligence agencies involved in them. These interventions had nothing to do with saving the lives of poor brown people but ensuring that markets could be accessed by the American corporations on the most favourable terms to them. America hasn't shyd away from installing and protecting brutal dictators who have brought unwanton suffering to their own citizens. All summed up by US president Roosevelt describing one of the worst Latin American dictators, Somoza of Nicaragua with the words - "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch." Bear this in mind - most of Africa's coups were sponsored by western governments. Assasinations? Yes, from Nkruma to Lumumba - western governments. Idi Amin, Mobuto, Blaise Campoare of Burkina Faso, all brought to power in a western backed coup.

      Fred - 2012-02-10 14:07

      Fidel, one just has to follow your comments across stories to realize it's really you who is morally screwed up, and totally wrong.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 14:19

      Name calling is silly. If you don't agree with my views dazzle me with your own counter-arguments. I have provided you with facts that can be colloberated. Just because you are wrong and brainwashed, doesn't mean that I am wrong, It means that you are wrong and brainwashed. "Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief." - Frantz Fanon

      Garth - 2012-02-10 15:15

      @fidel - I disagree with almost every post of yours. Your generalisations are laughable and should be taken with a pinch of salt by all readers. Your puerile, anti-American `because I'm a brown person', one-eyed ideas are amusing, childishly naive, yet amusing. You read as though you have swallowed the handbook on anti-American ideologies and digested the African Union's version of the OAU's anti-Israel manifesto. Comment on the below: "We both have a great interest in ending the outrageous bloodshed that we've seen and see a transition from the current government that has been assaulting its people," Obama said. Oh and beyond the gulf wars, name one war that the Americans started post 1914. Started mind you; not joined, participated in or reacted to extreme provocation.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 15:52

      First of all I'm not trying to convert you so I don't care whether you take me seriously or not. Do your own research and lets see how dedicated you actually are to finding the truth. I'm under no obligation to educate you. Your problem is that you are faced with evidence which overturns your beliefs. Must be hard, but you really have to learn to form your opinions around the truth, not create the truth to fit your opinions. It stops you going mad!

  • Dean Hart - 2012-02-10 10:09

    An Pierre To try an justify that what's happening in Syria with the disgusting behavior of the united states is truly sad!! This is not about finger pointing it's about human rights an they are definitely being violated in Syria!

  • Deon - 2012-02-10 12:08

    This is sad. If the UN don't stop them killing each other no one will. Least of all China and Russia.

      Tommy - 2012-02-10 12:27

      I almost want to say it is blood on the hand of Russia and China.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 13:13

      The insurgents need to be encouraged to seek peaceful solutions with the Syrian government, they are not going to shoot their way to power. With each day passing with their refusal to sit down with their government, their actions are becoming even more irresponsible. Imagine if Africans had taken up arms and marched to the Union Buildings shooting their way through anything that resembles authority. How do you think botha would have responded, thrown roses?

      Fred - 2012-02-10 14:10

      Fidel, another totally confused and wrong idea. The Syrian regime, distinct from a legitimate government, is trying to shoot itself into holding onto power. This isn't going to work. Bashar Assad and his cronies will be out, regrettably violently like Gaddafi, by their own choice and before the year is done.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 14:26

      I hold no brief for Assad and you seem to have fallen to the trap of assuming that it is him only who wields power in that country. There are Syrians who equally support that country's government and they have a right to be heard. Replacing one faction or heavily armed thugs with another which is less armed is no solution. Negotiations is the solution as it saves lives and prevents weapons'proliferation.

      Garth - 2012-02-10 15:24

      @fidel - where is it that you missed the part about failed negotiations. Decades of failed negotiations. Start your research in January 1982. `. . . if Africans had taken up arms and marched to the Union Buildings . . .' other Africans would have shot them.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 15:46

      It is quite amusing that in the absence of a coherent argument and so you're forced to rely on attempts at ridicule and insults to try to cover that up.

  • Fred - 2012-02-10 14:21

    The sick thing about what Fidel and Pierre and a few others are doing is decrying, opposing, undermining a totally right stand being taken by the President of the US against the killing fields in Syria to the detriment of innocent civilians, peaceful protesters (only now starting to take up arms after eleven months of slaughter), women and children. Their views must be opposed in the strongest possible terms, and exposed for the deceit, hypocrisy and cruelty that they truly are.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 15:07

      Doctrines of social justice are vacuous without humanity. Saudi Arabia is one of the most favoured 'democractic and human rights observing' friends of the 'free world' in the middle east. It was through Saudi Tanks (USA made) killing unarmed civilians that recently Bahrain has been saved ( and the fifth fleet). What did the US say regarding that?

      Garth - 2012-02-10 15:21

      Agree with Fred. Merely because the American Governments have a less than gleaming image, this stand by Obama is not wrong. Nor is it hypocritical or sanctimonious. It is a justified statement from a world leader in conversation with another world leader.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 15:54

      "less than a gleaming image" is an understatement, and you know this.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-02-10 16:04

      @Fidel The bellicose comments here actually lend your posts further credibility.

      Sanesh Allopi - 2012-02-10 18:50

      @Fidel - can I please ask that your response to me isn't an insult again. I will not respond in kind. Please tell me why it is such a big problem if anyone (Obama included) object to the blood-shed in Syria. Whether they have a right to or not does not matter to me. What is important is that as many people as possible take a stand against it. This does not mean a violent (military) stand. What is wrong with anyone calling for an end to this ? Please do not reply with more vitriol against America. Please do not let your hatred of the US prevent a unilateral call to end the killing. From my perspective anyone (Obama included) who seeks a stop to this kind of killing should be applauded, not criticised.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 19:06

      @Sanesh If you want to debate me, have the courtesy to debate what I actually say, not what you want to refute. Where in my post did I say that I have "such a big problem if anyone (Obama included) object to the blood-shed in Syria." Do you have a problem deciphering print? This is what I wrote initially: "The world decries the outrageous bloodshed in Iraq, Afghanistan,Yemen, Pakistan, Libya and Syria." How do you understand this statement.

  • nowicki1 - 2012-02-10 18:47

    @Fred, "Almost all the civilians killed in Iraq have been by car bombs and suicide attacks" - honestly??!? Are you joking? Sigh how can we even argue with someone like you, its like talking to Bill'O Rielly...

      Leon - 2012-02-10 19:50

      O GEEE another snotnose who think he knows everything

      nowicki1 - 2012-02-10 20:04

      I am interested in geo politics and have researched into it for the past 3 years, so yeah I guess I know a little more than the average bloke, definitely not everything, although I'm trying my best.

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 20:22

      Problem with people like you Leon is that you watch too much television, which dulls your mind, reinforcing the mythical quality of the "American way of life". Read a book, newspaper, hell, a COMIC book would be a step in the right direction!

      Leon - 2012-02-10 20:46

      fadel mmm in Iraq the tv channels was no good and i will go and see if i can get a newspaper but the problem with Afghanistan is the newspapers is not in engrish but maybe i can ask one of the taliban blocks to translate for me

      Fidel - 2012-02-10 20:54

      Good night to you too Leon!

      Leon - 2012-02-10 21:15

      yes good night fadil and sweatdreams for you too o and one of the american soldiers say good night too

      Fred - 2012-02-11 10:08

      Yes, honestly. But for someone who puts out that many Jews and Rabbis hate Israel (yes everyone. Nowicki believes this) it's not hard to see the you would see it the other way around, the wrong, distorted way that is.

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