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Syria slammed for using cluster bombs

2012-10-14 12:37

Beirut - Human Rights Watch on Sunday accused the Syrian air force of using cluster bombs against rebels and in populated areas across the country.

"Syria’s disregard for its civilian population is all too evident in its air campaign, which now apparently includes dropping these deadly cluster bombs into populated areas," said Steve Goose, arms director at the New York-based group.

"Cluster bombs have been comprehensively banned by most nations, and Syria should immediately stop all use of these indiscriminate weapons that continue to kill and maim for years," he said in a statement.

HRW reported their increased use in the past week, notably in the Maaret al-Numan area where the armed forces have been locked in combat with rebels for control of the highway linking Damascus to the northern city of Aleppo.

But cluster bombs were also being dropped in the provinces of Aleppo, Homs, Latakia and Damascus, it said, basing its findings on videos posted online by Syrian activists.

"The cluster bomb canisters and submunitions shown in the videos all show damage and wear patterns produced by being mounted on and dropped from an aircraft," said HRW, although it did not have information on casualties.

"Human Rights Watch is deeply concerned by the risks posed by the unexploded submunitions to the civilian population, as men and even children can be seen in the videos handling the unexploded submunitions in life-threatening ways."

Syria has not ratified a convention banning cluster bombs that has been adopted by 109 countries since 2008. The weapon is estimated to have claimed tens of thousands of lives since 1965.

A cluster bomb can carry up to 650 submunitions which are sprayed over a large area and designed to detonate on impact.

But between five and 40% of them fail to explode and turn into anti-personnel mines which can prove deadly for civilian populations, according to Handicap International.

The NGO says that 98% of victims are civilians, 27% of them children who mistake the objects for toys.

Comments
  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 13:06

    No surprises here !! This assad monster is a MASTER TERRORIST !!!

      philhaj - 2012-10-14 16:44

      remind me the meaning of terrorism sir?

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 16:50

      Philhaj, May I give you a few examples; A ( illegitimate ) 'leader' firing rockets into apartment blocks! A ( illegitimate ) 'leader' dropping bombs on unarmed civilians , wating in a cue to buy bread!! A ( illegitimate ) 'leader' shooting live amunition from gunship helicopters, at women and children !!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 16:59

      You cannot see that an unelected dictator and his brother who are in control of the Syrian state and its military, and who for eleven months killed unarmed demonstrators by the thousands with sniper fire, detained, tortured, raped and killed thousands more, are terrorists Philjay? I'm afraid for you and your family.

      imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-10-14 18:28

      Rebels using suicide bombers

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 20:28

      Imtiaz, Jihadists are present in Syria. The best estimate I've seen is that they make up 5% to 10% of those removing Assad and his brother from unelected power. The overwhelming majority are Syrians who have had enough of being dominated by the Assads and their minority cronies from the Alawite clan. It's important that you finally understand this, or you will continue supporting the brutal oppression of Syrians and their families by an unelected dictator and his brother.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-10-14 15:05

    I slam nato for using cakes and tomatoes to fight terrorists in iraq

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-10-14 15:26

    The human race is always undergoing spiritual change. Today Islamic countries are divided between authoritarian rulers (backed by the military) and those who believe in freedom of expression. Europe passed through this transformation from Luther to the end of Napoleon. Yet on this blog, readers, with a few noteworthy exceptions, cry, "Sort it out, Nato!" or "Death to the Imperial West!" To see WHAT is changing: that is some consolation to the suffering of these unfortunate people. that

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 17:26

      I'm with you on this Stephen. I would add however that the world has a responsibility to stand up for those being brutalized and oppressed. If a united world were to look Assad and his brother in the eyes and say no, with one voice, they would have had little option but to allow democracy and human rights for the Syrian people. Instead the neo-Soviet Russian regime and neo-Communist Chinese regime, which are themselves autocratic and brutal, have given the Assads a license to run amuck, detaining, torturing, raping a killing anyone who want to change their unelected rule.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 00:47

      So firedbrainfredfraser you will agree that people today who live in democracies should be able to call financial houses to account when their countries economy bottom falls out,but why then do they not get an audience and only get thrown in jail and brutalized by their countries police force,surely then they are being oppressed by the financial powers that be who dictate to them what they have to swallow weather they like it or not..hmm smacks of dictatorship under the guise of democracy!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 05:19

      That has to do with Syrians trying to free themselves from decades of oppression at the hands of the minority Assad family how?

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-14 16:14

    “Syria regrets the loss of innocent civilian lives and takes great care in conducting strikes against terrorists determined to use violence to overthrow its own government,” said Alwariad, a Syrian Air Force general. “NATO regrets the loss of innocent civilian lives and takes great care in conducting strikes against a regime determined to use violence against its own citizens,” said Bouchard, a Canadian Air Force general. Ex US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said cluster munitions are regarded by the US as: “Legitimate weapons with clear military utility.” As Richard Kidd, Director of the Office of Weapons Removal and Abatement, U.S. Department of State, wrote in “Is There a Strategy for Responsible U.S. Engagement on Cluster Munitions?” April 28, 2008: “Cluster munitions are available for use by every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory, they are integral to every Army or Marine maneuver element and in some cases constitute up to 50 percent of tactical indirect fire support.” It'll be interesting to hear Hillarious pontificate about war crimes being committed in Syria. Nothing can now stop the Syrian civil war, short of a ceasefire and/or negotiations. Some toads on this thread call that progress. Civil war is absolutely devastating and anyone who thinks it can be 'humane', or will 'save lives', must be living in cloud cuckoo land. History tells us that without a ceasefire the conflict will grow and grow.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 16:44

      Fidel, It is just NOT true what you say ! ""Ex US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said cluster munitions are regarded by the US as: “Legitimate weapons with clear military utility.”"" Gates was talking about using these cluster bombs, against foreign enemies. ( rightly or wrongly !! ) But here we got a terrorist using these cluster bombs on his 'own' people!! """ History tells us that without a ceasefire the conflict will grow and grow""" It it NOT true!! 95 % of the killimgs in Libya came to an end, when gaddafi went to visit the abatoir !!! And the same will happen in Syria; The moment this assad MONSTER is gone, 95 % of the killings will stop !!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 16:54

      Fidel, you continue to misinterpret and misrepresent what is happening in Syria. This is not surprising given that you hold absurd beliefs that distort your view of the world, such as Nelson Mandela is a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern-day Uncle Tom. Your exact words in the US/Mandela thread several weeks ago. Syrians are trying to free themselves from decades of brutal rule at the hands of the minority Assad family. They demonstrated peacefully for eleven months during which thousands were killed WITH SNIPER FIRE, and thousands more were detained, tortured, raped and killed. They were left with little option but to defend themselves. Wouldn't you? Wouldn't anyone? Obviously. Everyone with a clear sense of what is going on in the world knows this. Unfortunately you do not have a clear sense, having effectively blinded yourself with with deep, faulty prejudices and beliefs.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-14 18:40

      @Anthony "t it NOT true!! 95 % of the killimgs in Libya came to an end, when gaddafi went to visit the abatoir !!!" "And the same will happen in Syria; The moment this assad MONSTER is gone, 95 % of the killings will stop !!!" Deductive reasoning is stupid! Syria is not Libya. What makes you conclude positively that if Assad were to be killed or decided to retire in Monaco, that, firstly these terrorists wouldn't make extra demands, secondly that the Baath party wouldn't nominate a relative of Assad. Frankly your assertions of the facts as you see them with nothing to back them up is irritating.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 19:16

      Fidel, I am not out to 'irretate' you!!! ""firstly these terrorists wouldn't make extra demands"" It is doubtful; Their ONLY demand has been to make an end to 50 years of assad tyranny Syria is THEIR country, and don't want it further destroyed ! They have even indicated , that members of assad's regime, with no blood on their hands, can stay on !!!! ""secondly that the Baath party wouldn't nominate a relative of Assad"" Highly unlikely; This civil war has been no good to anyone, and has hurt, in many ways, also assad's party members. They will realize, like most Whites, did here in SA, that the alternative to majority rule, will be to ghastly to contemplate!!!!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 20:31

      Fidel, the Syrian people freeing themselves from the Assad family's unelected and cruel rule are not terrorists. And neither is Nelson Mandela a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern-day Uncle Tom. Obviously. On both counts. How long are you going to make a complete fool of yourself with these stubborn beliefs you continue to hold.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-14 22:21

      "They have even indicated , that members of assad's regime, with no blood on their hands, can stay on !!!! " How are these terrorists going to make this determination. They have no power to determine who stays in the Syrian government or not.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 23:34

      They soon will. Not surprising you can't see this, such is your self-imposed blindness. Deeply disturbing that you oppose the basic human rights of Syrians and their families, and support brutal oppression and autocracy. Shockingly anti-social.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 00:52

      fartanthonyfromromantica "firstly these terrorists wouldn't make extra demands"" Are you sure they wont..hmm so well informed I see making grandiose statements to support weak arguments..look idiot you will be proved wrong in time so be deluded until then if it makes you feel clever!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 01:14

      friedbrainfraser Deeply disturbing that you oppose the basic human rights of Syrians and their families, and support brutal oppression and autocracy. Deeply disturbing that you oppose the basic human rights of Palestinians,Iraqis,Afghanistan's,Vietnamese and their families,and support brutal oppression and autocracy!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-15 03:16

      Fidel, These 'terrorisis' , which by the way are called 'opposition' in every other country in the world, most certainly have a large voice in the future of THEIR country. It is assad, whose daddy came to power, through violence, who has NO say!!

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-15 03:27

      Dankie, It is just , that the track record of the violent loony left, is not very impressive !!!! You were wrong with Tunesia, than with Egypt, and ohhhhh sooooo wrong with Libya!!!! And sorry, to say; You are soooo very wrong with Syria !!! If you would stop this silly notion that these revolutions are somehow orchastrated from the West, and instead are popular uprisings, you would have a better understanding, whats been happening in N Africa, and now in the ME!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 05:20

      What are you talking about Dunkie?

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-10-15 08:57

      Anthony, I ask you again, how many members of the Syrian government do you and your terrorist friends believe that, they have blood on their hands, and what formula are you going to use to make this determination?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 13:49

      Fidel, unfortunately to you even Nelson Mandela is a terrorist, being aligned with the freer world. Your words: Nelson Mandela is a phony, a lackey of the West, a modern-day Uncle Tom.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-15 18:25

      Fidel, Maybe, if you would stop treating the Syrian population as a bunch of children, and accept that many in the opposition are far more capable of running this country than these assad thugs. In the near future, these assad terrorists, will have NO say, and for the first time in FIFTY YEARS, the Syrian population WILL hve a say !!!

  • philhaj - 2012-10-14 16:40

    what a stupid accusation considering that the rebels are getting weapons and fighters from outside,instead of calling for a ceasefire from both sides for the sake of civilians...

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 16:45

      You too continue to be delusional about what is really going on in Syria. What would you do if you were demonstrating peacefully for the right to vote and your friends and family were detained, tortured, raped and killed by the tens of thousands by an unelected dictator and his brother in control on the state and military? You're still showing yourself to be ignorant, heartless and prejudiced.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 17:53

      Unfortunately you're an ignorant racist Philjay. It is YOU who has not place in Africa, or anywhere for that matter. You certainly have no place in post-Apartheid South Africa of the ANC. Have you even read the Freedom Charter? I strongly recommend that you do, and reform your ways. You are in the darkest, most ignorant spectrum of humanity at the moment. It's not too late to change. It starts with a choice.

      philhaj - 2012-10-14 18:11

      i dont like your replys on my comments thats final and i do got the right of saying that,dont i?

      philhaj - 2012-10-14 18:27

      i guess you are right Anthony.,and to Fred sorry bro,you got a right of expressing your opinion as much as we dont agree on anything.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 18:38

      Philhaj, Kul!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 20:32

      Thank you Philjay. I understand. I've made worse mistakes in my life. Do you still hate so-called White people?

  • Sibusiso - 2012-10-14 17:00

    I have been following the comments of fred.fraser and anthonyfromafrica from the beginning of the arab springs, from the times of the Tunisia uprisings. What I can say is that these two do not support any form of non violent transition to democracy, they do not support dialogue. They always scream out that nato should use bombs to give people democracy. The only thing I can conclude is that they are cyber Jihads. They jump in joy when the opposition use al qaeda tactics of bombing civilians in syria.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 17:11

      I've never said or done that once.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-10-14 17:22

      Sibusiso, Sadly that you come to this conclusion. I would like this nightmare for the Syrian people to end this evening. And you know what, it would actually be possible; THIS EVENING!!! And the insanity is, that it all depends on ONE family; the assads !!! THIS is the ONLY demand , the opposition groups have made since the start of this popular uprising! they have even agreed that certain government ministers can stay on !! But they will NOT negotiate with these assads any longer!! For FIFTY YEARS, the 'asked' the assads to negotiate and have elctions, and fopr FIFTY YEARS, they were answered with the most evil brutality imagninable. This time , there is no going back !!!!!!! These assads MUST GO !!!!! And than the killings will stop within hours !!!!!!

      Sibusiso - 2012-10-14 17:36

      I also say Assad must go, that is my wish, but is that the wish of the majority of Syrians ?? No one knows for sure, and only elections supervised by the united nations can tell us that. I say there should be a cease fire immediately and then let the Syrians have dialogue without any influence by people like me who want Assad gone. I am sure we can conclude that the Libyan civil war was destructive, we should learn that we cannot stop violence with more violence. Giving the opposition more guns will not stop the war, it will only get more people killed and give the gun sellers more profit.

      Sibusiso - 2012-10-14 17:45

      In the beginning of the uprising I was supporting the rebels 100%, like I supported all other arab uprisings, until they started using civilians as shields, destroying religious cites and using suicide bombs like al qaeda does. Now I am not so sure if these people have the interests of the syrian people at heart or whether they are just fighting one of their Sunni v.s Alawites wars. Both sides have to compromise and come to the discussion table even if means Assad must go, but he can only leave constitutionally, not through fighter jets or bullets.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 20:42

      Sibusiso, did you not know that the majority of South Africans wanted the end of the unelected, minority, Apartheid rule? It is more than obvious that the majority of Syrians want the end of the unelected, minority Alawite rule.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 00:57

      Sibusiso these two friedbrainfraser and fartanthonyfromromantica really do think that the way to solve the worlds problems is to be the biggest bully on the playground..unfortunately they get this from reading to much US spin and their countrymen use these same tactics to force their will upon the Palestinians..but you will probably find they are small nurdie men whose only way of expressing their frustration as to their small stature is to sprout their verbal violence in this forum!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 05:21

      Dunkie, do you still believe Al-Quaida is a US fabrication to destabilize the stable Middle East?

  • tom.guy.37669528 - 2012-10-14 18:35

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/7806882/US-cluster-bombs-killed-35-women-and-children.html

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 20:38

      It's not interesting at all. It's tragic. And, with those immature anti-West blinkers you continue to choose to wear, you fail to see the essential difference between the two events: The US was targeting Al-Quaida, which has openly declared war against it, not women and children. Assad and his brother openly target anyone who wants change in Syria from their unelected minority rule to greater human rights and freedom. The US and freer world go to great lengths to avoid harm to civilians. When this happens, they are deeply remorseful. How much longer are you going to pretend to be incapable of discerning the obvious differences between the two.

      imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-10-14 22:06

      Fred, the US killed civilians in japan,iraq,afghanistan etc they are not remorseful they just say collateral damage

      ingwe - 2012-10-14 22:24

      And that makes what is happening in Syria legitimate?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 23:38

      Absolute rubbish Imtiaz. You're making yourself out to be a total prejudiced fool. You're being blind and stupid.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 23:40

      Ingwe, what do you mean? Are you in favorite of Syrians being free of the decades-old brutal rule by the unelected, minority Assad family?

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-14 23:43

      Imtiaz, you continue to amaze that you come on here and point fingers at the freer world, yet you've said nothing, NOTHING, not one word about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims killed or maimed by the unelected dictators and Jihadists in your midst. Truly, you're being plain stupid.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 01:03

      friedbarainfraser I suppose the US drone bombing of innocent Pakistanis is justifiable..you are so insignificant that you make me want to puke..crawl back into your one dimensional deluded world and create any logic their that will suit your twisted mind..I suppose you also thought the US and UK use of depleted uranium in Iraq was just fine even though children today are being born with terrible birth defects..I wish this could happen to you so you could agonize about how to end their miserable lives that their parents have created for them thanks to the mickey mouse US war tactics that frankly are"to win at all costs"cause we have so far lost every war we started!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 01:09

      friedbrainfraser please explain how you can call men who start violence but hide behind women and children when they get the response that they wanted can be called anything but terrorists...surely men march of into the fields and wage their war against the opposing forces away from women and children..oh I forgot you learn you war tactics from the IDF who will bomb civilians from the air where they cant be answered so what If some women and children get killed its "collateral damage"

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 05:22

      You're seriously confused, Dunkie.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 23:47

      friedbrainfraser is that all you have to say!!!!!!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 01:46

      Yes

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-16 09:27

      Friedbrainfred.....SAD!!!!!!!!!SO SAD!!!!!!!YOUR INABILITY TO ARGUE ALL SIDES OF AN ARGUMANT LET YOU DOWN AGAIN!!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 17:22

      Dunkie, parroting things from one's crotch is not presenting all parts of an argument.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-10-15 09:09

    The western media sources will never stop their lies no matter their stories sound ever worse than lets say a scientific research on a subject where Santa Claus exists or not. Old Soviet-era cluster bombs? To your knowledge idiots sirs Russia doesnt operate with out-of-date rusty junk anymore. If a usage of such an anachronism really had a place in Syrian bombings its rather the hand of Al-Qaeda who dont seem to be so fussy about which weapon to choose.

      shane.loxton - 2012-10-15 10:58

      Yes like the Rebels being stupid enough to use donated NATO Mortors to bomb a city in Turkey and then blame Syria for it

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 13:53

      Diana, while you defend your neo-Soviet Russian regime, women and children are being killed right now with Russian made arms supplied by the election slanting, opposition imprisoning ex-KGB officer Putin and his dour foreign affairs servant Lavrov. Instead of championing their freedom, you're defending and promoting old-style Soviet autocratic power. Truly heartless. Shane, you're as confused and delusional as Diana.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 21:34

      friedbrainfraser "Diana, while you defend your neo-Soviet Russian regime" Please do tell what do you know about The Russian Federation and how its government works. Some pointers: President Putin inherited a country on the brink of economic collapse.Russia was going through massive readjustments at the time and there was possibilities of the whole country disintegrating into chaos.President Putin single handily ran his country making all the right decisions and provided all the leadership this once great and soon to be great again, country so badly needed.President Putin worked 16 hour days to achieve this.Today The Russian Federation is once again taking its place as a real player on the world stage.President Putin has asked NATO and the US to include The Russian Federation in the AMD system being put in place in Europe today..the answer he got was no!He then asked for guarantees that Russia would never be targeted by such a defensive missile system and he got no reply.I could go into more technical details about this AMD system but you should already know all about it and how it can nullify The Russian Federations own missile deterrent system,if not ask me and I will tell you. President Putin has been insulted ignored and treated like some errant boy even to the extent that British intelligence planted some spy devices near a park near red square disguised as some rocks. President Putin is a patriot of his country who works long hours to service his people!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 21:51

      friedbrainfraser part 2 of your education. President Putin has always held his tongue and watched his words so as to show respect to his opposite members in political high office.President Putin has never insulted berated or allowed his ministers to say anything that might be regarded as an insult that might stoke up tensions with the rest of the world,he has created an economic block with his neighbours see: Regional Economic Integration Treaties (Entry into force of the Treaty for the Contracting Party) Free Trade Agreement between Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and the Kyrgyz Republic Agreement on the Establishment of the Common Economic Zone (May 20, 2004) Treaty on the establishment of the Eurasian Economic Community (June 5, 2002) Agreement on customs union and common economic zone (July 2, 2001) He has helped to launch BRICS and his leadership has allowed for a period of peace and stability for Russians so as to give them time to find their feet and become a largely capitalistic type economy trying to embrace the best the worlds models have to offer.He is a respected leader who is cheerfully welcomed by many heads of state. What has any Western leader's CV ,during the last 15 years,except maybe the long house arrest of the Mynamar's opposition leader who has recently won her release and is now entering politics a free woman,got to compare!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 21:59

      friedbrainfraser part 3 of your political lecture: Now I know you will instantly say "but what about his atrocious record in Chechnya"and I will say:He did what any responsible leader would do he brought things under control,won the battle and has since rebuilt Grozny into a modern prosperous city so that it's people can see what being under Russia's modern control and leadership will bring!At present their is only sporadic clashes between the Russian interior ministry troops and Jihadist rebels.I am sure you will agree that his success in dealing with this armed rebellion was so much more successful than anything the West has tried to do in its conflicts! All in all President Putin is a highly successful leader who will go down in history remembered for his great leadership,while his Western counterparts stare only a bleak and uninspiring mention in the history text books of the future generations!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 02:22

      "President" Putin slants elections in his favor, imprisons his political opponents, and arms illegitimate unelected minority regimes that butcher women and children in their homes. The Russian Federation is neither great, nor will it ever be for as long as it is neo-Soviet in nature. It is fifty years behind the freer world, and will remain there. Dunkie, you can't see this through pussy-drunk teenager's eyes. You have to look through adult eyes.

      Shane Loxton - 2012-10-16 08:22

      Fred once again your words are as non informative as the air in a pin pong ball, without base, backing or intelligence

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-16 09:39

      FRIEDBRAINFRED You are incapable of seeing two sides to a story,you have no counter argument to anything someone says but you expect others to address your arguments,surely this is a Western world tactic..all can say things will play themselves out as in Libya at present and the Western world will reap the wages of their sins,as it is US travelers cannot go to many countries safely!One day they will find themselves more and more isolated but then you cant blame the average American its the fault of their ruling elite who enrich themselves through their being members on the boards of many of the industrialized military complex companies!So they get richer war by war on their citizens tax dollars..see OWS movement.But you friedfred can't see many faceted angles to whats going on in the world,as a result you will find yourself abandoned... one day lost and without a cause..the worlds slowly waking up and people like you will be disgraced for you views!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-16 09:42

      friedfred "Dunkie, you can't see this through pussy-drunk teenager's eyes. You have to look through adult eyes". Your choice of words is indicative of your inability to debate your views in a winning and positive manner!

  • shane.loxton - 2012-10-15 09:37

    In Liar’s Poker The Great Powers, Yugoslavia and the Wars of the Future, Michel Collon explains how the Balkans were destabilized “to control oil pipeline routes, dominate Eastern Europe as well as weaken and get a hand over Russia” as well as” insure [the establishment of US] military bases [in Eastern Europe and the Balkans].” (Michel Collon, Liar’s Poker The Great Powers, Yugoslavia and the Wars of the Future, Editions Aden, 1998, p. 129.) “Syria, Iran and Iraq signed an agreement for a gas pipeline in July 2011, which plans to link the Iranian South Pars field – the world’s largest – to Syria and therefore to the Mediterranean Sea. Another important oil field was discovered near Homs in Syria, which could become an alternative hub of energy corridors in opposition to those passing through Turkey and other routes controlled by U.S. and European companies” (Manlio Dinucci, L’art de la guerre. Syrie : l’Otan vise le gazoduc, October 9, 2012) Although the Pentagon assures that “[t]here are no plans at this stage for unilateral U.S. military operations”, the article states quite to the contrary that a unilateral drone warfare is what awaits Africans:

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 13:58

      The real question is how long you want unelected dictators who brutalize their populations to control and reap the benefits of resources that are vital to your and the world's wellbeing. To you, even if Idi Amin was the unelected dictator of Syria, that would be better than the evil freer world assisting Syrians free themselves from barbaric and heartless rule. You still are not feeling what is really happening. I'm relieved you are nowhere near the reigns of power. The world would truly be in dire straights.

      shane.loxton - 2012-10-16 09:11

      Fred as per your last Paragraph, u should take note of my Second Paragraph to actually be FEELING the true reasons of the un rest and the very BIG picture.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 13:43

      Syria produces 0.5% of the world's oil. Neither that nor a gas pipeline from Iraq to the Mediterranean has anything to do with Syrians and their families wanting basic human rights after decades of brutal autocracy at the hands of the unelected minority Assad regime. There is a massive oversupply of natural gas in the world. The fact that you believe this is a further reflection that you are out of touch with what is going on in Syria and the Middle East at large.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 17:23

      Vox, you're part of the old, being replaced by the new. Your choice. Do you still believe the US attacked itself on 9/11?

  • derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-10-15 12:15

    Human rights watch stoking the flames of war. How can they make these accusations based on stuff posted on the internet!! Lies and more lies to justify their plan for invasion and all out war.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-15 14:02

      Derek, you are still poking around the fringes of what is happening, arriving at drastically wrong conclusions and making a total fool of yourself. Do you really think world powers are making decisions based on Internet postings? More silly than this is hard to find. If your family and friends were being detained, tortured, raped and killed you would be thinking and saying totally different things. I hope. There's no guarantee of this as you are so detached from true reality.

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 22:22

      friedbrainfraser..you just described what is happening in the West Bank...wow thanks for the insight!

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-15 23:49

      friedbrainfraser..you spell it Al Qaeda !!!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-10-16 03:38

      Dunkie, this is a thread on Syria. And it is not what is happening in the West Bank. Al-Quaida is right too. Look it up.

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