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Teenage girl dies in Japan 'exorcism'

2011-09-27 12:36

Tokyo - A 13-year-old girl suffocated after she was strapped down and doused with water by her father and a monk who were trying to expel an "evil spirit", Japanese police and media reports said on Tuesday.

The two men, 56-year-old monk Kazuaki Kinoshita and the girl's 50-year-old father Atsushi Maishigi, were arrested on charges of inflicting injury resulting in the death of Tomomi Maishigi in Kumamoto in the country's south.

"The two are suspected of having conspired in what they call 'waterfall service'... They allegedly strapped the victim to a chair with belts and doused her face with water," on the night of August 27, a local police spokesman said.

She was confirmed dead early the next day when her mother called an ambulance after the girl fell unconscious.

"The cause of death is suffocation," the police official said.

News reports said the two men poured water over her as an "exorcism" with the father holding the girl down while the monk chanted sutras.

Reports said the girl's parents had turned to the monk after the youngster had suffered several years of mental and physical ill health that doctors had not been able to resolve.

The monk, who belongs to a religious group deriving from a Buddhist sect, said that the girl was possessed by an evil spirit, the private network TBS said.

Her parents had taken her to one of the group's facilities equipped with a water pump and made her go through the dousing practice about 100 times before, the broadcaster said.

The pump pulls water from underground and draws it to a height of 2.5m from where it falls on the person sitting below, TBS said.

Comments
  • Stephan - 2011-09-27 12:48

    Who wants more proof that religion is a farce and brings out the worst in humans?

      rog - 2011-09-27 12:54

      religion is an act of traditions.Faith and believe is what counts.Give it a try Steve.

      Tresc - 2011-09-27 12:59

      What a narrow minded point of view! No one will ever be able to prove religion exists, just as no one will ever be able to prove that it doesn't exist. So why attack somebody on their beliefs if you have no proof that what they believe in is nonsense but merely a judgement on what you think!

      Ace - 2011-09-27 13:01

      Stephan, you are uneducated in the religion department so don't comment on religion and think you have proof of anything.

      Mzungu - 2011-09-27 13:19

      Actually Tresc, religion does exist, and its really not difficult to prove? Whether a deity exists is what the question should be, though I suggest you rather contemplate whether you are of a suitable intellect to be discussing a matter such as this.

      mbube - 2011-09-27 13:28

      @rog Faith and belief is what was wrong here. Instead of following proven ways they instead had faith that they would 'cure' the kid, because of their belief in things that do not exist. No, belief and faith are just as dangerous as religion.

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 13:38

      Religion is ultimately dependent on belief in invisible beings, inaudible voices, intangible entities, undetectable forces, and events and judgments that happen after we die. It therefore has no reality check. And it is therefore uniquely armored against criticism, questioning, and self- correction. It is uniquely armored against anything that might stop it from spinning into extreme absurdity, extreme denial of reality and extreme, grotesque immorality

      jweer42 - 2011-09-27 14:03

      @ zaatheist ... so is atheism for that matter (STALIN, Mao Tse-tung, Castro, most African leaders, Pol Pot, ... )

      Tolerant - 2011-09-27 14:14

      I will take a religous person everyday before an atheist.

      Nuraq - 2011-09-27 14:15

      @Stephan - If all the horrors in the past that have been committed in the name of a god or a religion are not enough to convince the believers among us, then one girl dying at the hands of two mindless idiots will certainly not have any effect either. @Tresc - It is not for us to prove the non-existence of your god. The burden of proof here lies with you. The reason, of course, that you are so eager to shift this burden is that evidence for your argument is in extremely short supply.

      Valis - 2011-09-27 15:00

      Wow, look at all the god-botters getting upset just because their absurd beliefs are being shown up for what they are, Bronze Age superstitions. You people believe in talking snakes and an invisible man in the sky who can do magic yet you have the audacity to berate anyone who questions your ridiculous superstitions?

      Krush - 2011-09-27 15:49

      People like to blame religion for their own moral decay. It's like saying all guns are bad because people use it to commit murder. Doesn't make the gun bad, only makes the person who used it in such a way to commit murder bad. How about standing up and taking some responsibility for your own actions.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-27 16:10

      OK here's one I thought of earlier (and type out today) Chap lives in Hillbrow. He's broke. He needs to survive. He's about to turn to crime, even violent crime. Do you: a) direct him to the nearest church, to be told that God loves him more than anything, through God can turn around his life and has plans for him; b) tell him he's just an animal, there is no God so just do what you want to do Chap experiences personal loss/tragedy. He's all on his own, really depressed and is considering suicide. Do you: a) tell him that God loves him, and through God all things, good and bad, work together for good; b) tell him that there is no God which loves him, nobody loves him but hey life sucks, so just get on with life bud - maybe spend thousands on psychology Chap turns to alcohol. He becomes an alcoholic. Do you: a) tell him about God, refer to Proverbs 23, so he can turn his life around; b) tell him there is no God, "do what thou wilt", there's no ultimate judgment anyway of the drunken fornication, fighting and what-not that could ensue I have personally encountered people of the 2nd and 3rd examples within the past 4-5 months, and know of accounts of the 1st example. There IS a God and He loves you infinitely! And yes, with God all things DO work together for good (Romans 8:28).

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 16:33

      @jweer42 A poor statement. None of the people you mention did did so in the the name of atheism. But here is one that did so in the name of the Christian imaginary god. "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler, Christian Mass Murderer I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord" --Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." —Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf He was also a creationist and evolution denier The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 16:34

      @Matt Are you really suggesting feeding the poor bloke BS is helpful? Come; come. Brain addled slavish puffing up the ego of an imaginary sky fairy who grants wishes is just transferring the addiction. Anyway, your selectively quoted and read bible. That book is a work of fiction; a book compiled from the plagiarised texts of ancient religions by bronze age sheep herders; translated from Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek texts to Latin and edited by the Catholic Church, translated into English and re-edited by the Church of England as instructed by King James to conform with his views, and interpreted to fit the preexisting values of anyone who quotes from it,.

      sardonicus - 2011-09-27 16:45

      @Matt: I don't like your god. Shiva promises me nirvana.May Shiva expose Jesus for the liar he was ;) He's a zombie, the undead or living dead or whatever you want to call him. He is completely impotent and could not help himself when the Romans came a knocking. If he were God, not only would he have defeated the Romans for his beloved Israel, he would have come off that cross in such a blaze of glory, not die there pathetically like the weakling he was. He is not the son of God because there is no god. If Jesus came in the same tradition as the sons (of God as in the Old testament) before him, he would be accepted by the Jews who are still the strictest monotheist in the world today. Fact is once Paul of Tarsus hijacked this poor carpenter's movement, Christianity as you call it was born. When the Edict of Milan was put into law, his Christianity dominated until all other sorts were put down and out of 30 gospels only four were kept as true. The Jewish god being a false god originating in the polytheist Canaanite pantheon, one among many, can in many ways be compared with Allah. El is his name and many are named after him, Gabri-EL, MichaEL, IsraEL! His is about as real as Allah the moon god. The entire Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions are based on these lies that were preached as truth. Just think if El didn't make it out of Israel. What if today the Messiah comes around preaching, honestly, I'd dismiss him for a nut job, I'd give him 50c and tell him to bugger of.

      janalbert.vandenberg - 2011-09-27 22:00

      @Matt: Your approach to tell someone in pain that God loves them is commendable, and if that brings peace of mind to someone, and helps them survive, I will be more the pleased. However, and in this I may be wrong, but I will say it anyways, I would tell a person that his/her life is precious, in the here and now, and they cannot know as yet how, in the complex network of interactions that us humans play part in, they may make an important contribution. To a child to be loved? A parent in need? We all take part in this wonderful gift of life. Whether you believe that God had given you this gift, or whether you consider it evolution, the fact is once you recognise how precious it is, that should already be something to hold on to. It may be that the knowledge of God's love brings someone back from pain; but then again, so can the realisation that we are responsible for making the best of what is given us. Should we accept the responsibility because God requires it of us, or because we require it of ourselves? And whether it is God's love that brings change, or that defiant human spirit, that deeply felt need to make the better of a bad situation, is it possible that both methods is capable of bringing happiness? After suffering cancer Lance Armstrong proves that the human spirit is resilient, and he does not conform to any faith.

  • Cuba12 - 2011-09-27 13:00

    This "Waterfall Service" sounds an awful lot like the water-boarding technique that Dick Cheney was such a fan of

  • Tolerant - 2011-09-27 13:07

    Mental health diseases should always be treated as a chronic disease, no quick fix exist.

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 13:41

      The scary thing I find about religion is that such huge numbers of unquestioning gullible people exist on this planet. They are victims of blatant fraud on a fantastically large scale. Yet they refuse to countenance any questioning of their 'faith' and are happy to remain willfully ignorant of the truth. Its is scary because these people kill and are killed in the name of their gods. Clever people invent gods to exercise power over the gullible thus making it easier to extract money from them.

      Verbatim - 2011-09-27 13:49

      @atheist - "willfully ignorant of the truth" - so what makes your version of the "truth" more credible? Get it?

      MagdaKus - 2011-09-27 14:00

      Look, many religious people would have worked with mental health professional on something like this. An exorcism would only be attempted once physical & mental reasons for the condition have been excluded. I am only speaking for the Catholic take in this (which does not include drowning/suffocating for the record)- but I understand that some other denominations/faiths that have been around for a while probably have a similar approach. Of course nothing precludes prayer. On the other hand my psychiatrist cousin admits that there are cases that defy medical logic.

      GLY - 2011-09-27 14:03

      zaathiest Oh please tell what is the truth then.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-27 14:12

      In the bad old days of +- 1000 years ago, some "drs" bored holes in someone's head to try and get the demons out, very few survived.

      Nuraq - 2011-09-27 14:22

      Thank god I am an athiest.

      Valis - 2011-09-27 15:02

      "Mental health diseases should always be treated as a chronic disease" Agreed. People who believe that magic is real and that there is an invisible sky-fairy *are* mentally ill and need treatment.

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 16:03

      @Verbatim Please change my mind. A bit of verifiable evidence will be helpful. I have been waiting for decades. Help me here!

      zaatheist - 2011-09-27 16:07

      @ToleranT The burden of proof always lies with the party making the positive claim. A positive claim is one where an assertion is made, such as claiming that a god exists as you are attempting to do. If a UFO nut claims that alien spacecraft have visited the earth, and a skeptic says “I don’t think so,” the UFO nut can not demand that the skeptic “prove him wrong.” It just doesn’t work that way. I'm sorry but religion IS a joke when you think about it. There's obviously no god, as there is no Apollo, no Thor, no Vishnu, no Rama, no Wodan. no Isis, no gods at all. And an afterlife is also a joke too, about wishful thinking and fear of dying. Believing in gods was very common among our primitive ancestors who didn't know any better. We KNOW better - and laugh at the fools who still believe in gods like they're hypnotized. They have no interest in the truth otherwise they'd be at least a bit sceptical, but they're not. They're so certain. The truth is more important than any religion; that's why we cannot help laughing at it, because it brushes truth and enquiry aside - in favour of ancient superstition

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-27 16:16

      "The scary thing I find about religion is that such huge numbers of unquestioning gullible people exist on this planet. They are victims of blatant fraud on a fantastically large scale. Yet they refuse to countenance any questioning of their 'faith' and are happy to remain willfully ignorant of the truth." Says he, who believes he evolved from a rock 4.4bya. We can very easily write your exact same paragraph about you! (btw it's not willfully, but willingly ignorant, see 2 Peter 3:3-5 - oops, that passage was directed at you wasn't it...)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-27 16:21

      "Please change my mind. A bit of verifiable evidence will be helpful. I have been waiting for decades. Help me here!" No you haven't. There is so much out there that you could learn from; so many sources (not even referring to the Bible). But you'll say NO if the Bible said YES no matter what it is about; you'll write off evidence as biased; you'll deny history as false because it supports Genesis... At least be honest mate. You don't WANT evidence. You just want to stir up trouble on here to annoy people. If you do though, here's a free book on me: http://detoxtv.co.uk/data/wp-content/uploads/2008/free-books/spiritism/After_the_Flood.pdf The worst you can learn from it is history. Non-Biblical, Pagan sources confirming the veracity of Genesis 10+11 and witness accounts of a whole host of things which support the Bible and destroy the other theories. Now watch him complain about the source, mock us further, spout more hatred, instead of actually READING it...

  • Verbatim - 2011-09-27 13:26

    hmm..waterboard for the soul eh?

  • Future Human - 2011-09-27 13:42

    Without Humans there is no religion!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-27 15:07

      Profound.

      Imfene - 2011-09-27 16:35

      Deep

      sardonicus - 2011-09-27 16:57

      But without religion there is liberty and freedom for all.

  • Bed Rock - 2011-09-27 13:53

    One can make buckets of cash out of religion, that's why most people believe in it.

      JMan - 2011-09-27 14:08

      Amen.

  • ConcernedMom - 2011-09-27 14:42

    Let go of religion and embrace God. Religion is man made, with all his ego and imperfection. Don't follow, run in the opposite direction.

      ousie - 2011-09-27 15:12

      Religion is man made? By extention, so is your god. man wouldn't need to make a religion if it had not invented a god. On the flip side, if there was a god, surely religion would be god-made? You see, religion just never makes any sense.... But then again, if you are religious, you are oblivious to logical arguments in any case... Oh well...

  • zaatheist - 2011-09-27 16:31

    @jweer42 A poor statement. None of the people you mention did did so in the the name of atheism. But here is one that did so in the name of the Christian imaginary god. "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler, Christian Mass Murderer "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." —Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf He was also a creationist and evolution denier The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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