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Turkey, Israel row: US told to butt out

2011-09-17 18:04

Istanbul - Turkey does not need United States' mediation to solve a long-lasting crisis with Israel over a deadly 2010 flotilla raid, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Saturday.

"We do not need mediation ... for Israel in any way," Davutoglu said during a televised press conference in the central province of Konya when asked to comment on the possibility of the US helping to resolve their differences.

"There is no such situation in which mediation is needed. The demands of Turkey are clear" if its former ally Israel wants to improve relations, Davutoglu said.

"No one should test our resolve on this matter," he said, adding that Israeli-Turkish relations might be on the agenda among other issues of a meeting between Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US President Barack Obama next week on the sidelines of the UN general assembly.

"The Americans are probably the people who best understand Turkey's position on this issue," Davutoglu added.

Israel and Turkey have been locked in a bitter dispute since May 2010 when Israeli naval commandos stormed a convoy of six ships trying to reach the Gaza Strip in defiance of an Israeli naval blockade, killing nine people.

Earlier this month Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador and froze military ties and defence trade deals.

Relations plummeted still further when Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened to send warships to escort any Turkish vessels trying to reach Hamas-ruled Gaza.

Obama will discuss the political crisis in Syria and wider turmoil throughout the Middle East in talks in New York on Tuesday with Erdogan, deputy US national security adviser Ben Rhodes said on Friday.

Obama will also likely address the rift between Turkey and Israel.

Comments
  • WATCHMAN - 2011-09-17 18:19

    Turkey your time is going to be short lived, because you come against the God of Israel. I believe it will not be too long before you get a good spanking!

      Poobie-Naicker - 2011-09-17 18:27

      Those that curse Israel will be cursed and those that bless her will be blessed!

      Liberty - 2011-09-17 18:37

      Both Israel and Turkey are allies of the US. It must be quite a tricky situation for the US

      mecan - 2011-09-17 18:45

      Israel and Turkey have been locked in a bitter dispute since May 2010 ?? You mean Turkey has been found guilty of breaking international law by the same United Nations Turkey asked to condemn Israel... and now like a silly stubborn child Turkey is now throwing its toys out the cot, and i quote, "Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador and froze military ties and defence trade deals." Israel on the other hand has done nothing since the unfortunate flotilla incident. seems like Turkey cant handle being ignored...

      pieter veldsman - 2011-09-17 19:00

      absolutly trash

      Ali Akbar - 2011-09-17 19:19

      I can see all these people voting against these very true statements are full of the devil and are cursed as the one already says! You will be very fortunate to come through the next 7 years unscathed.

      People Hater - 2011-09-17 19:33

      Bollocks to the deities involved on all three sides. Monotheism = slavery.

      BrassCopper - 2011-09-17 19:43

      Ali Akbar - don't take note of the thumbs up/down votes. news 24 website is faulty... some computers like my one at work allowed me to refresh and vote again as many times as i would want (not that i do)... obviously there are terror supporters out there doing just that... Israel has the full backing of most peaceful people out there. the comments are proof of that and i believe that if news24 ever fix this problem (that for example does not effect my computer at home by the way) you would see the real feelings on the "western" streets of the world - the support for truth is there - its just silent as their supporters are not violent as the fundamentalists of the earth are.

      Ali Akbar - 2011-09-17 19:57

      @Brasscopper - thank you dear brother.

      Bok Fan - 2011-09-17 20:28

      Amen. The future has been write and we are just living through it. In the end Isreal stands strong and all who dont proclaim that Jesus is Lord is finished

      Cynical175 - 2011-09-17 23:09

      Come guys. The US is nothing more than the lapdog for Israel. Clear case of the tail wagging the dog. Just like Tony Blair of Britain was the lapdog for GWB in the US AND Israel in all its years have NEVER EVER abided by any rules issued by the UN. AND the US has ALWAYS veto any thing that was not in favour for Israel. AIPEC rules the US government. So why should Turkey listen to mediation from the US when beforehand they already know what the outcome will be. Israel is the spoiled child that rules the house.

      negro.please - 2011-09-18 11:34

      Why did not the God of Israel save the children of Israel when they were being gassed in their millions by the other believers in the God of Israel? Clearly someone has been forsaken here and hasn't updated the story...

      negro.please - 2011-09-18 13:02

      Ali Akbar: Don't use an Arabic name as your alias because it just demonstrates hypocrisy and a closet Muslim. Also, it creates confusion as to which devil you are referring to. Your nick suggests it's the Muslim version of the devil, but your comments suggest a Christian version and it's giving me a headache trying to figure you out.

      Abdud-Dayaan Keown - 2011-09-18 22:05

      What God of Israel he deserted them don't you know your bible they were rejected when they rejected Jesus. Israel is nothing without the USA and the end of US domination in the Mid-East is near

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 07:59

      Personally I can't understand how anybody can be friends with someone who killed their God. I mean, we accept Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Is it not clear that we are more like you than they are to you? Or have you forsaken Jesus again like Judas allegedly did? You should consider Islam as an alternative my friend, we'll even allow you to keep Jesus, and include all the children of Adam.

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 08:09

      negro-please. With respect, I presume you mean the crucifixion of Christ in this silly statement? If so, you are clearly a little off focus. No-one alive today was around at this time, so to assert that people today "killed their god" is just ridiculous.

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 08:25

      Well if you're able to extrapolate from your very valid statement that today's Jews cannot be held responsible, I think you'll understand why I can similarly extrapolate that they really have no claim to the land in Israel seeing as they were not the one's kicked out from there.

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 08:38

      That I have never disputed. I am NOT a supporter of the Israeli cause, nor any other of the various warring groups in the Middle East, in the least. I just like people to try to be reasonable.

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 08:53

      daaivark: I think the wording might have given you the impression that my wish is for Jews to be exterminated. Although, in times of sudden rushes of blood to my head, I might think that or even say that, the truth is I would like an amicable solution to this unnecessarily drawn out conflict. Just to clarify my previous comment, I'm trying to say that the West should not give Israel their support to the detriment of the Palestinian people based solely on the notion that they are the chosen people of God. Why, when Britain withdrew from Palestine, did they decide that we're out of here, but we're handing this place over to you chaps to do as you please?

      Messenger - 2011-09-19 09:47

      I just do not understand why Muslims use the Bible to try prove something when they believe that it has been corrupted.

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 10:37

      First, Messenger, this is honestly the first time I can remember you're given a terse comment and not had some long-winded off topic thing to say, so congratulations for that. When did I quote the Bible in anything I had to say? As I said previously, Wikipedia Injil and you'll see that the problem is not that the entire book is corrupted, but has been altered to suit man's whims and fancies. Our holy book re-enforces a lot of what your book has to say. Would you say Christianity in it's present form is the same as it was agreed it would be at the council of Nicea? Why is there a King James version today that was edited by someone who came many hundreds of years later? In that case, we would live in a world where homosexuality would be met with stoning, just as an example. This is what you accuse Muslims of doing. The reason we are still old fashioned, is because we have the original message, not some new version and have not changed it.

      Messenger - 2011-09-19 11:28

      "The Injil (Arabic: ?????? ?Ingil) is the Arabic name for the original Gospel of Jesus, and one of the four Islamic Holy Books the Qur'an records as revealed by God, the others being the Zabur, Tawrat and Qur'an." "Muslims believe this original Gospel to have been corrupted over time." Stop dodging the question I am asking: Was it corrupted by the will of Allah or against his will?

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 11:39

      A deliberately provocative and somewhat stupid question, Messenger. How would anyone down here on terra-firma know, not being privy to the workings of earths various gods. Best you ask Allah yourself.

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 11:42

      I'll answer your question, but I don't see the point because it's just like asking did the Quran come about by the will of the Christian God? Or was Jesus a Jew or a Christian. He was a Jew! And to clarify, Jehova, Yahweh, or God as you call him is the same as Allah. We just differ in the versions of the story. The simplest example I can give you is if you had a circle of people didn't speak the same language playing a game of Chinese whispers. I'm sure you can make the connection from there. Which version of the Bible do you read and why don't you read the others?

      Messenger - 2011-09-19 12:30

      negro.please, I read the King James Version as well as the Afrikaans 1953 version mainly because of translation accuracy. However, in general, the message conveyed by the Bible has not changed and is not different in other versions. The problem I have is, if the Qur'an mentions the Zabur, Tawrat and Injil as revealed by Allah, why would he allow it to get corrupted? Is he not almighty and able to preserve his all-important word to man? Why would he deliberately lead millions of Christians astray? This does not make sense at all. See the reason for my question?

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 12:33

      Messenger, your obsession is so absurd that it is actually very funny. You sit and argue p[oints about this and that reaction or possible reactions of your deity, (Assuming that such a being exists, which I don't...) as though you are on intimate conversatyional terms. Seriously, what exactly are you trying to prove here?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-19 12:39

      @ Daaivark (and others) - check this out (and save if you will) http://detoxtv.co.uk/data/wp-content/uploads/2008/free-books/spiritism/After_the_Flood.pdf To me, that constitutes good non-Biblical, historical proof of the existence of God. Definitely proof of the Flood of Noah. @ Messenger - I second you on the KJV. The other English translations are translations, ranging from excellent to poor, of the wrong manuscripts (Textus Sinaiticus).

      Messenger - 2011-09-19 12:48

      Daaivark, this is a very valid argument in debates about Christianity and Islam, but since you are not on either side, I can understand why you find it absurd.

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 13:04

      Well daaivark, If we are able to discuss such a contentious issue in a civilised way, will you not agree that we've made some progress in the way on understanding each other? The reason I joined this debate, is in response to the point stated at the root of this tree indicating Israel has the love of the God and the world because the Bible says so. If we can debate the authenticity of the Bible and come to some conclusion, then maybe that will help in validating or nullifying that argument. Don't you agree?

      negro.please - 2011-09-19 13:41

      My last comment: Messenger, get yourself a Quraan and read through it side by side with the Afrikaans translation and understand it with an open mind. We are very quick to condemn something without understanding it fully. You've convinced me to go and get a Bible and read through it again, just so that I can make more informed comments in future. About your question at 12:30, you can apply the same reasoning in my comment before that one to get my answer.

      Messenger - 2011-09-19 14:40

      negro.please, agreed.

      Michael Matusowsky - 2011-09-19 23:21

      Religion is a man made conspiracy and is the reason people go to war in the name of god, allah ans what not. The crusades, the holocaust, the arabs against the western wall... All using religion in the name of war. Also why do christians believe the words of the new testament, a book written by MAN? I have never understood religion and I neer will. Gaith leads me blindly while science shows me directions and a map.

      amos - 2011-09-19 23:41

      Cynical175 whildt i agree with your sentiments I would like to add that it is the USA that is the lap dog of Israel. The people in power in the USA are as they used to say in the south""kept house boys or girls". The Zionist money calls the shots.

  • Romans8 - 2011-09-17 18:23

    Send another flotilla Turkey and see if it does not get sunk, because all you are doing is causing provocation. Israel has every right to control what goes into Gaza when it directly threatens her land and population. VIVA ISRAEL!!

      Bok Fan - 2011-09-17 20:29

      Second that

      Tidge - 2011-09-18 12:51

      Turkey was warned that their flotilla would be searched for weapons, any idea why they objected? Go for it Turkey, start a war!! I just hope Cyprus take the chance to kick you out their land and the same time.

  • Mr D - 2011-09-17 18:29

    Well Turkey you will have to ask this question before you push it to far; Who will the US support should you deside to have a go at Israel? and the answer is, Israel... How can you be so stupid to send your ships to a area where there is a naval blockage...ur looking for kak

      Valis - 2011-09-17 21:28

      Turkey is a member of NATO. If Israel attacks them the US has to support Turkey under their NATO obligations.

      MosesMabhida - 2011-09-18 03:12

      Turkey is going to get kicked out of NATO & the Euro zone... Turkey & Iran are one. The west knows Israel is on the front line... the west will protect Israel. from Brazil to Canada & India, from Australia to China & Japan,from Germany to the Vatican & RSA - there is a war on its way. the west will fight to protect freedom. we are with you Israel - because your home is our front line.

      Zee - 2011-09-19 14:32

      RSA? Think again my friend!

      Michael Matusowsky - 2011-09-19 23:16

      Mosesmabhida you need to understand that pur very "smart" and "neutral" government has picled the Palestinians over the Israeli's. Not like it matters though, RSA is pretty insignificant to the likes of the other BRICS countries and developed nations.

  • Monacoroyals - 2011-09-17 18:49

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4594E-9PnEg BBC’s Panorama - What happened on the Flotilla to Gaza Every human being of sound mind should know this by now. In any event, US and Israel are not the Satan that the Ayatollah of Rock'n rollah declared. With the way the Arabs behave one wonders if perhaps they are the ones who are worthy of that title. On the topic though, I have come to realise that the Israelis are demonised, many many times without justification. Clearly the Arabs have never wanted Israel to exist and have tried many times, unsuccessfully, to drive them into the sea. Now the Israelis are pretty straight forward people. You threaten them, they sort you out. Nothing wrong with defending your state and it citizens. Especially against unsavoury fundamentalists who persist on threatening and attacking Israel.

  • MosesMabhida - 2011-09-17 19:00

    Terrorist supporting Turkey is no longer an asset to NATO. It uses NATO weapons to murder innocent Kurdish civilians in Iraq - a war crime committed with NATO weapons. When will Turkey apologize for the massacre of Armenians and Cypriots? Mr. Erdogan does not like to be reminded of the massacre of Armenians. He also does not like to be asked about his government's invasion of Cyprus and the expulsion of Greek Cypriots. Mr. Erdogan is one big hypocrite. Israel must not let Turkey make the running and should sever all diplomatic ties now. Israel should then support the moves to recognise the Armenian genocide and the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus. Take the gloves off! Better an open enemy than a treacherous 'ally'

  • end of earth - 2011-09-17 19:19

    Good for you Turkey, resolve your issues personally!!!!

  • BrassCopper - 2011-09-17 19:26

    The real story. Germany, France and the UK told Turkey that they will NEVER join the EU because their culture just does not fit into European society (or truthfully what no one want to say - Europe has had enough of Islam). Turkey intern has cut its ties with Israel in order to punish Europe and the West for its racist ways... unfortunately for Turkey though - the west doesn't care much for Israel yet alone Turkey's feelings. The Winners: European Union The Losers: Turkey & Israel conclusion. Turkey has found new friends with the Arab world. Israel has found a new friend in the form of Greece. Let just hope Turkey doesn't cut its nose to spite its face - for Israel will probably give it an as$ whipping of note (according to all military analysts)

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-19 13:28

      And the evidence of the last 60-70 years or so of Israeli history

  • JasunX - 2011-09-17 20:09

    Why oh why can't we just have peace? Oh, sorry - stupid question.

  • africanwolf - 2011-09-17 20:45

    @ veld66 have you ever been there? or just watching news ? I want to see how will you respond when your house will be bombed with rockets every day and suicide bombers will explode in your public transport in the name of Allah I want to see what will you do when terrorists will enter your home, and murder your entire family including children and babies, and the terrorists will run away and hide behind civilians what will you do then?

      africanwolf - 2011-09-17 21:12

      @ veld66 If you think it is fair for the Palestinians to kill Israeli civilians , compare babies to snakes, and justify the terrorist acts, and if all Palestinians think like you, then they deserve what they get

      veld66 - 2011-09-17 21:35

      I chose Palestinians after watching & learning about their suffering in the hands of Jewish settlers!!! There is no civilians in Jewish state,, everybody is trained in army

      africanwolf - 2011-09-17 21:40

      yea sure same as there are no civilians in Palestine everyone is a terrorist and a potential suicide bomber. by the way where is Palestine? there was not such country before 1948

      Cynical175 - 2011-09-17 23:22

      @africanwolf Bit of history for you. 1946: King David blown up by the "terrorist" and future leader of Israel Menachem Begin 1954: The Lavon affair. Israel blowing up stuf in Egypt in the hope to draw the US and Britain staying in Egypt 1967: Israelian airforce trying to sink the US S.S. Liberty and hopen to put the blame on Egypt By order or of Moshe Dyan. Unfortunately for them the ship does not sink fast enough and radio communications from the aircrafts were intercepted that indentified the ship as a US flagged ship. 171 sailors died. The survivors tried to publish the event but AIPAC forced the US government to sweep it under the carpet. Want more? Not difficult to find is you realy want to know the truth.

      JasunX - 2011-09-18 05:29

      You are worse than a maggot and have no place in society wit remarks like this you probably look in the mirror every morning and hate yourself racist like you are worlds biggest problem

      africanwolf - 2011-09-18 07:48

      Israel belongs to Jews since bible time end of story. like it or not, they are there to stay all so called Palestinians(aka Egyptians Syrians, Jordanians) must go to their own countries, then there will be peace

      africanwolf - 2011-09-18 07:51

      @ JasunX have nothing to say, but copy and paste my comments? typical moron

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-17 23:10

    Turkey Invaded Cyprus! Turkey Out Of Cyprus! Turkey Invaded Constantinople! Turkey Out Of Greece!

      asim mehmet-ali - 2011-09-17 23:30

      keep on dreaming boy

  • asim mehmet-ali - 2011-09-17 23:29

    Jew-boys,get ready for the fight of your life, by the time US comes to your aide, there won't be a country called Israel left.so you better start getting ready to go back to where you come from.

      Gobsky.Raging.Bull - 2011-09-18 00:00

      U mad bro, lol. They said same thing in 1967 and 1973. History shows, if the US is on your side, you win, no exceptions regardless if there is an economic meltdown or not.

      brinjal - 2011-09-18 05:17

      This is going to happen with idiots like you?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-19 13:30

      You mean like the other 8 times the Arabs were about to "wipe out" Israel from the middle east?

      GoMan - 2011-09-28 05:49

      Right on Asim!!! Time to kick Zionist ass. Before everyone was divided, now everyone's Turks, Arabs, Iranians and Pakistanis hate Israel. The time of the pathetic incompetent Arab dictator is over. People power means a tough time for the Jewish landgrabbers!

  • THE_UN - 2011-09-18 02:32

    Israel: Greece & Cyprus along with the entire West supports you all the way against foolish & arrogant Turkey who is acting like an over-confident bully once again. They have gotten away with so many atrocities against Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds, the Armenians, and even their own people, yet they have the cheek to provoke & point fingers at Israel for protecting her people... Turkey are masters at pretending to be friends of the West... their agenda is a very dangerous one & her interests are slowly becoming clear... it is time someone puts them in their place! And if anyone can, it is Israel! Well done & good luck!

      2WhiteStars - 2011-09-18 11:09

      Agree. The EU should push them out of Cyprus - that island belongs to Greece.

      Gobsky.Raging.Bull - 2011-09-18 13:30

      It was my understanding that cyprus is a country :/.

      Messenger - 2011-09-18 15:41

      Well, Cyprus actually wanted to be united with Greece, something Turkey didn't like.

  • GoMan - 2011-09-28 05:43

    The US should stop acting like Israel's biotch and support Turkey. The Zionist attacked Turkey and killed its citizens, blockaded Gaza, attacked Lebanon, assasinated Iranians, helped Indians dominate Kashmeris, keep stealing land, occupy Syrian land and on it goes. And Obama wants the Middle Easterners and Turks to be 'nice' to them??? Stay and solve your problems at home American- you're not ready for the big leagues!!!

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