US leads mass walkout at UN

2011-09-22 19:22

New York - American diplomats on Thursday walked out of the UN General Assembly as Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a fiercely anti-American speech.

More than a dozen diplomats from other countries left the chamber soon afterwards.

Ahmadinejad attacked the US for its history of slavery, causing two world wars, using a nuclear bomb against "defenseless people" and imposing and supporting military dictatorships and totalitarian regimes on Asian, African and Latin American nations.

  • Megan - 2011-09-22 19:27

    It's time the americans just got over themselves.

      canuck13 - 2011-09-22 19:40

      Whats your point? Do you agree with Ahmadinejad?

      Yoni - 2011-09-22 19:51

      Did SA also support the American walkout? No prizes for guessing that one...

      iqanda - 2011-09-22 19:57

      Compared to the iranians and their backward beliefs i would say the americans are a lot better as a nation. Go live in these islamic countries and see how you will be oppressed.

      darkwing - 2011-09-22 20:03

      Maybe the rest of the world could join in this noble effort, then we would have a wonderful place to live in.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:12

      @iqanda, at least these people believe in something. Under sharia law criminals are treated as such. Yes, there are oppression in some Islamic countries, but speak to a couple of Muslims, you will be mostly surprised. Just like we have extreme racists, they have extreme religious fanatics. Do not make assumptions of a whole religion and countries before really understanding.

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:14

      "at least these people believe in something" Since when is that something to admire? Ahmadinejad is crazy, he is a power-grabbing dictator - nothing to do with islam.

      BOER - 2011-09-22 20:18

      Megan bet youv'e never been to America. Would you rather be involved with a rogue state like Iran? If your answer is yes then I have no hope for you.

      end of earth - 2011-09-22 21:00

      MEGAN , I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. They critisize but refuse to see there own shortcomings in their policies , their flawed thinking, their over-inflated egos to name but a few. I do not wish to generalize , but most of them cry wolf & are war-mongers. one may not entirely agree with Ahmadinejad but he has something there. Where on earth are the Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)? Some americans are paranoid. Wake up call time:

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:16

      Hisotry has never seen a nation as savage and power hungry as America

      Harvey - 2011-09-22 21:46

      Luapolku. Read.

      slg - 2011-09-22 22:20

      Meaning what exactly? What a dumb thing to say.

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:15

      I agree with Megan. Canuck, asserting that the behaviour was childish does NOT imply support for Ahmadinejad. Think, man.

      beicime - 2011-09-23 12:03

      Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-09-23 14:58

      Well go ask Ahmadinejad who won the last election there? Remember the riots , video of Neda ? The Iran–Iraq War, was an armed conflict between the armed forces of Iraq and Iran, lasting from September 1980 to August 1988, making it the longest conventional war of the twentieth century ? Go Live in the states for a month and then go live in Iran for a month , come back and let us know. American 'intervetion' is the reason you don't speak German right now, why Afgan reppelled the Soviets (Gratitude of Muhajadin/Taliban was amazing), why Japan and Germany are a success , why South Korea is an Democratic Asian tiger , why millions have been fed in Africa and around the world ect. ect. I don't blame them for walking out , to quote: " i have not past through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a witless worm "

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-09-25 00:06

      @Fraidycat - good tag. And woman are worth less than a dog. Woman are abused, if raped blamed and executed, basically woman are treated like trash, if you support that you are pretty fu%$k up my friend. Go look at the abuse woman suffer under Sharia, the acid burns they have, the mutilations and other horrors they suffer. Sharia is not the way of the future, and decent Muslims don't support it.

      pisciotta - 2012-09-25 02:25

      America is made up the best of the world. It is not easy to come to America. We are a country of Immigrants. We get the cream of the crop from most countries because they have to work hard to get here. America is the composite of every nation. More people try to enter America than any country in the world - why do you think that is so? Be proud of who you are - but don't bash America because you could be bashing some of your own countrymen who found a way to the freedom that America affords.

  • Jason - 2011-09-22 19:30

    aka retards walking out, US will never admit to their war hunger monger lust for killing innocent people and even the whole world know this, its only the media projecting that usa is good, and they them self think so as well, but at least we all know how it gonna end-with babylon falling

      Liberty - 2011-09-22 19:44

      The Iranians are no angels either. They are for opression, the west are for freedom. Innocent people die on both sides of the fence unfortunately. It's a war between those wanting to opress others and those wanting people to be free. I know which side I back, and it's the winning side.

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 19:51

      "like clinton who wanna make homosexual marriages possible?" Heh? Can't figure out what point you are trying to make here?

      Jason - 2011-09-22 19:53

      hmmhm. like clinton who wanna make homosexual marriages possible? there r those who wanna live right and don't want the west and all their whore monger sh*t, go read more news.. its only coz u believe the east oppress people, but that all propaganda to feed the wars

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 19:56

      What the hell does homosexual marriages have to do with anything? Whore monger sh*t - WTF?

      Jason - 2011-09-22 19:57

      it all comes down to religion and doing what's right..., the west is clearly christian freaks, who r gullible n like to kill ppl bcoz they think they r right, where, the east just wanna live in peace and dont want all the "babylon".lucifer, whore, homosexual stuff the west sells them.. .

      Jason - 2011-09-22 19:59

      yes, keep tuned in 2 n24. coz when the sh*t goes down...

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:00

      Jason, not going to bring religion into this debate Do you know how crazy this Ahmadinejad is? You condemn the US, so basically you are saying you agree with the Iranians? "the east just wanna live in peace" Don't really see that at all - how do you get to that exactly?

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:02

      "keep tuned in 2 n24. coz when the sh*t goes down... " Are you sure you're posting on the right article?

      lordwabbitspam - 2011-09-22 20:04

      Then why the hell are they strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians - peace my ass - more like pieces of ass raining down all over the place.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:15

      The USA must still come to terms with the fact that they are already financially bankrupt, now follows the moral bankruptcy. Why walk out - why not find a way to work with the UN and all the countries who want to see real changes happening in the Middle East. The truth is that the USA, just like the terrorists, like the warring and killing, because then they can remain the boss...

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:19

      "all the countries who want to see real changes happening in the Middle East" Which would those be? Certainly not Iran? - 2011-09-22 20:53

      Jason is not a troll, he actually BELIEVES his bullsh###We can only pity backward people like this.Think he has had too many knocks on the head as he looks like a boxer/bouncer.

      BernieK - 2011-09-22 21:13

      That bastard from Iran is a monster you idiot! Don't you get it? To hell with Ahmadinejad. He should be put on trial for human rights abuses. He is the cause of MOST trouble in the middle east. But it seems that you are one of those super liberals brainwashed by the pony press! Why don't you pack your bags and put action to words and go to Iran and live under that regime. Go, do it. Then we talk again.

      Markusman - 2011-09-22 21:41

      I think what jason is trying to say is that the US isnt as innocent as it makes its self out to be. I think we can all agree that although Iran stands miles below our impeccable moral standards, the other side is just as guilty. come now, the US supports Israel and all of its human rights abuses. the fact that the delegates walked out merely solidifies my belief that the US government believes that it is never wrong-because then it wouldnt appear so Godlike.

      slg - 2011-09-22 22:21

      Jason, your version of "the whole world" knows this. It's the height of arrogance and ignorance to make such a statement. You don't speak for the world. Not even God does.

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:16

      Are you unwell, Jason?

      Redson - 2011-09-23 08:58

      Jason, have you even been out of SA (doubt it)? I lived and worked in many middle eastern countries and the whole "good Muslim" thing is a load of garbage. Behind the scenes in muslim countries I saw more blatant use of drugs, raunchy sex and general rot than I ever saw in the west. The difference between the west and the east is that the east is better at hiding their "sin" from the public eye.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:14

      @ Jason - you do know dagga is illegal in SA, right?

      Great White - 2011-09-23 11:56

      Jason is a perfect example of why young people should not take drugs and why they should instead read more books.

      Jason - 2011-09-23 13:32

      no i am not well, i am a 4ton blunt smoker, ill kill u with my odors... ahhh sweet mary-jane.. all wet n sticky.. go read more news u gullible fools

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-09-25 04:48

      Jason, I just looked at your profile, Kiddo, you are one very sick puppy. You are the one who should be doing a news catchup.

  • phillip.havenga - 2011-09-22 19:30

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a mad fool, he needs to back off of Israel and America.

      vis vang - 2011-09-22 19:42

      Israel and America are not the only countries in the world. Its time the US butts out of everyone's problems especially oil producing nations.

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-22 20:06

      The last time 'I'm a dinner jacket' gave a speech at the UN it was all about Islam and love - this lasted 3 hours. This guy is an absolute nutter! - comparatively, Gaddafi was reasonably sane.......

      thetruth - 2011-09-22 20:17

      and u are just another blind fool,whose easy to manipulate...fool,u believe everything u hear and read...always listen to 2 sides of a story...the west are warmongers who steal 4rm sovereign nations by invading them and killing innocents,and like GEORGE"se ma se"BUSH they call it collateral damage...

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:23

      And Ahmadinejad is a saint?

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:13

      Bush and co are worse they ochestrated 911 and killed 2 million in Iraq and Afghanistan

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:17

      yet it is America that is killing civilians everyday in Pakistan with drones not to forget the horrors in committed in Iraq and Afghanistan

      end of earth - 2011-09-22 21:31

      Havenga The american admin foreign are flawed. they r prejudicial & their bias leans to the cash flow (i.e.the new idol in this world , money) america is & has been the united states of israel. they know which side there bread is buttered & know who there cash cows are. I disagree with their oath of allegiance, their foreign policy , their health insurance .Do u know one has to pay R1200.00 for 1 treatment for cancer (on a daily basis in a government hospital) incidentally if one applies for health insurance one is refused , if one is discovered to be ill or if one has cancer. So do some mental acrobats & do a rethink. the infighting within the american admin is another issue, no different from any other political scenario. It is democracy with hypocrisy. Think & observe. They r slaves to china at present (financially) but they sold arms &ammo to tiawan (china's sworn enemy) If that's not setting the stage for another war ,then what; & to end up smelling like roses, the american admin will want to (after innocent killings in war) set up peace talks. Think with your single brain cell.

      DarwinEvolution - 2011-09-22 21:31

      EVOLUTION!!! The strongest shall survive...nature has no mercy!!! If you cant keep up...FCK OFF!!

      DarwinEvolution - 2011-09-22 21:34

      What gracious man would ever make his wife hide behind a scarf!!! You people are sick mother Fckers!!! Sick it tell you!!! Freaking weird sico disgusting weirdos!!!\

      negro.please - 2011-09-22 23:58

      DarwinEvolution: Answer: The man that's not sick enough to allow his wife to be exposed to other men in such a way as to cause them to nurse a semi. Question: How does your statement relate to the speech, which was brilliant I thought.

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:18

      Darwin Evolution. Seldom was a name more off the mark. What are you smoking, lad?

      ihatum - 2011-09-23 08:43

      What the h3ll r u on about?, back off Israel, the americans have their military bases in the middle east, who's to back off?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:23

      @ DarwinEvolution - crawl back under the rock you evolved from 4.4bya :-)

  • Liberty - 2011-09-22 19:31

    That Mahoud whatever can go screw himself. Pay reparations for slavery, who the hell does he think he is?

      vis vang - 2011-09-22 19:44

      Since you asked, he is the elected President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, who was invited to speak at the UN, like all world leaders are entitled too. I think that more than 170 national representatives remained seated, thus approving of his reparations claim. Way to go!!

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 19:47

      He is a crazy despot, no better than Mugabe

      Liberty - 2011-09-22 19:51

      Yeah elected by whom I wonder?

      Dave - 2011-09-22 19:56

      visvang - where do you come with talk of reparations - its not mentioned at all in the article

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:20

      @Liberty - just like our President, he was invited to speak. Why jump on the USA bus? They did use the atom bomb, they did use is time that the USA admit that yes, there are huge issues, but we must sit down and talk. Stop the next generation of children to be filled with hatred!

      RichardS - 2011-09-22 20:46

      I think phoenetically, the president of Iran's name pronounced "Ahma-da-nut-job" ... sorry, that was a groaner,

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:19

      American soldiers in Iraq are raping and murdering 12 year old girls in Iraq, research it, its a fact

      BernieK - 2011-09-22 21:21

      Vis gevang. You are a troll - you can not be serious. Do you understand Iran? Do you know what is going on in that place? What mentality is that to support a killer like Ahmadinejad? He is of the same ilk as Malema etc. Dictators, suppressors, monsters. Follow the trail and you smell Ahmadinejad and his cronies all over the middle east. Either you are one of those brainwashed liberals or you are just stirring. Take a carefull look what countries supports Ahmadinejad. Either human rights abusers or stupid idiots that do not understand the middle east.

      DarwinEvolution - 2011-09-22 21:45

      I recon it;s time to wipe all these fcking weirdos off the face the earth...they are all mentally ill!!! They simply do not understand and respect life, and the wonders of the universe. It is time to clean the world of evil!!!

      end of earth - 2011-09-22 21:48

      Liberty how would you like to be a slave, well actually i think you are a slave to the american admin. Go fight for them please & fulfill your prejudice.

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:21

      Ai Darwin. Seeing your wonderfully reasoned remarks makes one wonder who exactly the "fcking weirdo" is?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:15

      @ DarwinEvolution - ok bud, you first

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-09-25 00:16

      Well the Japanese did sneek up on a country not involved in a war and sunk an entire fleet without provocation, killing thousands on the vessels and not the mention the innocent people on the shore who became colatoral damage. Yet this is justified how, as the USA were not at that time involved in WW1, that act is what caused them to get involved and drop an A-bomb, and yet we say Japan was blameless. Every action has a reaction, Japan acted, the USA reacted, and we all bash the USA. Really???? What would you have done better in their sted, please share!!!!

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:43

      fraidycat Its Islam that has a copyright on Slavery - not the west... the west learned this bad habit from the Arab world... the Arab world still uses slaves tho.

  • africanwolf - 2011-09-22 19:34

    Before the Ayatollas overpowered the Shah, Iran and Israel had good relationship and had Embassies in both countries. this guy is mad and does not want peace.

      vis vang - 2011-09-22 19:45

      And Israel does, while continuing to occupy Palestinian territories, and blockade Gaza. Apartheid is alive and real in israel.

      africanwolf - 2011-09-22 20:06

      @ vis vang what does Iran has to do with Palestinians? want to know? I will tell you. Israel is the only developed democracy in the middle east, exports technology and agriculture to the whole world.has one of the strongest armies in the region. and what does Iran exports, besides oil and extreme hatred towards other religions? you tell me

      thetruth - 2011-09-22 20:20

      @ wolf who says u got to have good relations with an apartheid ,terrorist state like israel...u are the real sucker who believes everything these manipulative terrorists make u believe...they are the enemy of peace and the real thyreat to peace all around the world...

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:21

      What do you expect? A wall was built around the Palestinian people - remember Apartheid, remember the Berlin Wall????

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:27

      How the hell do you get to the Berlin wall? Are you now dragging the communists into the argument?

      africanwolf - 2011-09-22 20:40

      @ thetruth you are zombied by the news my friend I suggest you go there and see both sides then you can make conclusions

      africanwolf - 2011-09-22 20:46

      @ fraidycat concerning the wall the wall is the border of Israel and every country has a border. have you ever seen a Israeli or a Jew, exploding in a bus full of people? have you ever seen a Israeli burns a Palestinian flag and calls to destroy Palestine? have you ever seen an Israeli enters a Palestinian house and kills the whole family with a knife, including babies? here is your answer for the wall, SECURITY

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:55

      @africanwolf - actually have been treated like sh*t by the jewish border police and saw for myself how they belittle women and children. Have you ever seen an israeli soldier shooting at stone throwing children with life ammunition? Ask some of our own people how they felt during Apartheid with the pass system - it would p*ss you off as well. Ask some of our people who lost their houses/land during Apaprtheid - it would p*ss you off as well. What I am saying is, we must attempt to stop the cycle of hatred caused by religious differences.

      africanwolf - 2011-09-22 21:06

      @ fraidycat What I am saying is, we must attempt to stop the cycle of hatred caused by religious differences. agree 100%

      Fragile - 2011-09-23 00:00

      Apartheid is alive and real in the arab world. When i can visit Mecca maybe i will change my mind.

      negro.please - 2011-09-23 09:53

      Fragile: Besides the fact that they are not allowed to enter as a result of previous attempts to cause mischief, e.g. trying to tunnel through to the Prophet Muhammad's grave, can I ask you to apply your mind to the following and tell me if it makes sense. Do you really need to visit a square building in the middle of Mecca to convince you that Allah exists? If you are able to believe without the need to have a physical object affirm His existence, then that makes you a true believer. The visit to the Kaaba should be seen as a re-affirmation that you have made the right choice rather than the basis for belief. Praying next to an American on your left and an Iranian on your right should show you the unity of God's message, but it requires faith in your heart first. Why do you want to go there anyway? You can switch on the Islam channel and view the 5 daily prayers from the comfort of your armchair.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:48

      Vis Vang There is no place on earth where racism and discrimination is as institutionalised as in the Arab world, against Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, women, gays and other smaller minorities...Apartheid is alive and real in the Arab world. ps. its disputed land not occupied land. And if the rockets stop the blockade will stop - the ball is in your (Islamic) court.

  • Wow! - 2011-09-22 19:36

    Arabs and Africans introduced slavery. The Europeans were a buyer of the product. Slavery still exists in Africa and ARab coutries to this day. It is well supported in the Islamic world.

      I Like Everything - 2011-09-22 19:46

      How far back are you going here?.. It's quite well documented how the Roman Empire was heavily into slavery. But I like your name, Wow!

      ar - 2011-09-22 19:52

      Wow please provide some proof of your ridiculous allegations?? What do you know of Islamt hat you make such statements - in Islam one of the greatest rewards one gets is far FREEING a slave - catch a wake up, learn your facts before blabbering nonsense.

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:04

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:25

      Exactly WOW! - ever heard of the Roman empire? Open your mind and do not simply believe everything that the US sells you.

      end of earth - 2011-09-22 21:39

      Wow , from the little i know God's Word in the Quraan ,slavery is not advocated. The Prophet Muhummud( peace be upon him) had instructed his companions & the polytheists of Arabia (@ that time) to free their slaves. In fact the Prophet & his companions bought slaves from their masters and then set the slaves free. I cannot believe i am reading such trash (my literacy levels are being threatened by an entire bunch of ill read & ill educated individuals). so please try to research before putting pen to computer

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:27

      @ ar - nope, it's well known slavery is alive and well in Arabia. You should also check all the cases in the West with Arabs living there and "importing" illegal immigrants to be slaves. Happens in UK and US from time to time.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-09-25 06:05

      Wow is right to some extent, but the Vickings also employed slavery, enslaving and later intergrating those slaves into there communities once they have served an acceptable term. On the African continent, slavery is very much alive and well, now called Human Trafficing. It is also used by the countries in the East to gain cheap labour. Don't be fooled, it is very much still in existence.

  • Frank - 2011-09-22 19:36

    Truth hurts. To be fair, Iran did release all the Brits who invaded Iran in 2009. The US have started thousands of illegal wars, dating back to the killings of Native Americans, to stealing Arizona, New Mexico etc. from Mexico, to invading Iraq based on lies! Let’s not forget the long list of war crimes committed like "operation Kill 'em all" in South Korea. As for nuclear weapons, the US is the ONLY country that have ever used nuclear weapons, and also the ONLY country that have lost nuclear weapons. It is a true shame that, when faced with the facts, leaders choose to believe what is portrait as patriotism on movies, to hard facts.

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 19:40

      The only country to have lost nuclear weapons? Where do you get that? Ever heard of Russia? When you mention something like that you might want to back it up with some proof?

      Kyle - 2011-09-22 19:41

      You do know before WW2 when USA wasn't a superpower the world was more messed up. Having a dominant country is what is keeping the world safe.

      Syndrome - 2011-09-22 19:46

      Then go live in Iran if they're such a shining model to you.

      thetruth - 2011-09-22 20:25


      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:28

      @Frank - so true, the wheel is turning for this one country world, why must we always think, eat, talk, sing, walk like americans? The banking problems caused by the USA and other so called first world countries, just underlines the fact that the world is ready for other countries to also have a say.

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-09-25 06:13

      @thetruth - Really bombed Hiroshima after a peace treaty was signed. Mate Japan signed that treaty knowing they were going to bomb Pearl Harbour. People need to be less short sighted. America only got involved after they bombed Pearl in an unprovoked attack. What happened to the rights of those innocent people that died that day. We would have done exactly the same and to say any different would be BULLSH&T...

  • paulmandlankosi - 2011-09-22 19:37

    The truth hurts

      slg - 2011-09-22 22:24

      You're delusional, like I'madinnerjacket, all the while using your American inventions, your computer, the internet, your cell phone, your car, your lights, etc. When nut jobs like I'madinnerjacket take over the world, then you'll wake up, maybe.

      negro.please - 2011-09-22 23:03

      slg: The Americans success would not be possible without the use of the ARABIC decimal place value system. They'd still be using Roman Numerals. How low-iq do you want me to make my arguments so that you agree with me?

      Zee - 2011-09-23 11:20

      slg: So your justification for anything bad America does is that they have also invented a lot of things we all use. Arabs came up with modern science and numeracy, which led to these American inventions - so by your logic if they fly planes into buildings it's ok? And you call others delusional...

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:55

      Muslims often claim that their religion fostered a rich heritage of scientific discovery, “paving the way” for modern advances in technology and medicine. On this topic, they usually refer to the period between the 7th and 13th centuries, when Europe was experiencing its “Dark Ages” and the Muslim world was acquiring new populations and culture through violent conquest. Although there is no arguing that the Muslim world was relatively more advanced during this period than the “Christian” world, the reasons for this have absolutely nothing to do with the Islamic religion (other than its mandate for military expansion). In fact, the religion tends to discourages knowledge outside of itself, which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are usually students of religion rather than science.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:56

      [Note that the country of Spain alone translates more learning material and literature into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the 9th century. As the Saudi Grand Mufti bluntly put it in 2010, "The Quran with its stories and knowledge are sufficient for us... we don't need the Torah, or Gospels, or any other book]. The many fundamentalists and other devotees who dress as Muhammad did and adopt 7th century lifestyles to some degree or another underscore the importance of tradition in Islam. The religion is highly conservative and resistant to change, which is viewed with suspicion. As scholar Bernard Lewis points out, in Islam an innovation is presumed to be bad unless it can be proven to be good.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:56

      Beyond this, there are four basic reasons why Islam has little true claim to scientific achievement: First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (One large reason for this, however, was that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period). Secondly, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when, in fact, it was a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:57

      In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim science” until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize. Third, even accomplished Muslim scientists and cultural icons were often considered heretics in their day, sometimes with good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up today as “proof” of Muslim accomplishment. But what the apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer, since he followed his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam. Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the invention of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir (and assassin, by the way), but not much else that survives in modern technology which is of practical significance. Neither is there any reason to believe that such discoveries would not have easily been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-25 08:59

      At the end of the day, the record of scientific, medical and technological accomplishment is not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a contest with the Christian world. Today’s Islamic innovators are primarily known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder. To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.

  • StanTheCaddy - 2011-09-22 19:37

    There's got to be some truth to what Iran's President said for the US to throw such a tantrum. Very mature.

  • Jeremy - 2011-09-22 19:51

    But he is right...? I dont get it

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:30

      Mostly, but your question should rather be why the USA tossed their toys so dramatically?

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:15

      Proper education is the key here, you get it if you know history and not the crap this guy is selling at the UN - hell he thinks the world is filled with stupid people

  • Redson - 2011-09-22 19:51

    What bull$#!% and what ignorant comments from the peanut gallery. Ahmadinejad obviously had the same education as many of our South African political leaders. Slavery happened. No denying it happened. It's gone and passed. Slavery has existed in one or other form in every country (some countries still practice slavery and human trafficking) Some may even say that how woman are treated in places like Iran are modern day versions... of slavery. America may support some dictatorships...but they walked out on this tool...who is a DICTATOR. The US caused two world wars?!!! Open a history book fool.I find many people jump on the American Band Wagon of Hate every chance they get in South Africa. Usually those people have never put a foot on US soil and are speaking out of complete ignorance. Most american's are absolutely anti the wars in Iraq and Afganistan... but they realize that it's also not easy to pull out of the country and abandon the people there at this point. America is a big place with different opinions with people who very much disagree with their political leaders. I wonder how the Anti-America commenters would like it if the tables were turned. If the rest of the world treated SA based our problems and the way they saw our Political leaders? -All south Africans are Polygamists -All South Africans are uneducated and even fail woodwork -All South Africans are unethical and steal -All South Africans support the dictatorship in Zimbabwe

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 19:53

      Funny how so many ppl condemn the US but what about the crazy nut Ahmadinejad?

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:20

      The world is suffering at the hands of this brutal nation yet u blindly support them, catch a wake up

      Redson - 2011-09-23 08:50

      @luapolku, you probably blindly support the ANC. A brutal party causing distruction to our own nation. How are you any different fool.

  • Dave - 2011-09-22 19:53

    Well done to the US. this idiot clearly has no grasp of history.The US never wanted to enter WWII and did so in Dec 41 - 2years after the war started. They did drop 2 atomic bombs but did so to protect their citizens in the wake of kaimkaze atttacks and die hard Japanese attacks. Get your facts straight Ahmadinejad.

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:21

      no nation in History has killed more innocent ppl then America, this is a fact, but you allow urself to get bluffed by the media

      Dave - 2011-09-22 21:46

      listen Luapolku, America has made its mistakes but im still amazed that d@rkies like you chose to appeal to america when it came to ending apartheid, but couldnt give a phuk about what the US has to say when supporting the ban on shoot the boer. maybe you should read Unlike you i am an educated person

      negro.please - 2011-09-23 01:38

      Dave: Sorry dude. It's time for Luapolku to drive the bakkie now and for you to sit in the back. And yes, the back of the bakkie is going where the front is going, so get used to it. And take those giving you a thumbs up with you!

      Zee - 2011-09-23 11:22

      @Dave: Truly an educated fool - with your generalisations and racism do you expect us to take you seriously? You clearly have an enormous chip on your shoulder. Shame.

  • bill.vanhoogstraten - 2011-09-22 19:54

    Been to Iran twice, he needs to look at his own glass house, slavery by another name, a suppressed nation, just time before they youngsters kick ass

      Fragile - 2011-09-23 00:07

      Amen 2 that

  • Davearch - 2011-09-22 19:57

    I support the Americans and Europe 100% ... who gives the food parcels, the aid, who takes the refugees, etc etc Need I go on ?

      Seth - 2011-09-22 20:24

      I wish they would stop giving parcels and rather pay there debt. Those countries do nothing but bite the hand that feeds it.

      thetruth - 2011-09-22 20:30

      @ Davearch ever heard of steal 4rm the rich and give to the poor...its still a crime to steal....Iraq until today still pays for the war America created against them....the oil flows freely and thats the revenue they use to give AID...fool,read a wide variety of articles and ur biased mentality would slowly diminish

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:31

      What aid does Iran give?

      negro.please - 2011-09-22 22:48

      Ateis: Google for more.

  • Cool Sunk - 2011-09-22 20:01

    Well done USA, you may have your flaws your racism and everything else that the world suffers, point being is that whether you are right by supporting and demonstrating against certain regimes for your own motives leaves alot to be desired... The east is a crazy place that much I will agree, living here for 7 years I understand but you guys need to adopt a certain attitude it is called, subtlety!!!

  • - 2011-09-22 20:04

    And now for the good news!! ahmadjineffenjad is going the same way as all the other arab dictators.Remember saddam hoesein when they fetched him out of a hole in the ground and the hung him? Watch this space in 4,5,6 years.The truimph of good over evil!!!

      Zee - 2011-09-23 11:25

      After invading the country illegally under false pretences? No supporter of Saddam, but waging war under blatent lies is not on either. Where are the WMD's again?

  • fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:08

    Either the truth hurts or feeling guilty!?!? The USA must start accepting that the balance of power from one or two countries has shifted to a new block of countries, who has no wish to be used as puppets. Funny how the US and their buddies only remember what is convenient...all countries have skeletons in their closets, but how we deal with problems should not be dictated by one country!

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:11

      So you support the crazy despot from Iran? - 2011-09-22 20:25

      Thank god for America otherwise we all would be forced to pray to mecca 5 times a day.They have no tollarence for any other religion and that is very wrong,no dictating from USA,radical islo@m dictates!!

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:42

      Are you guys then saying that the rest of the world cannot think or do without the USA's stamp of approval? I do not support dictators, but I also do not support the USA walking out on a UN meeting. Just worried that with this attitude, they will simply cause the generation of children to take up the extremist cause, because they see no other way!

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-24 22:48


  • jimzimbo - 2011-09-22 20:14

    Ahmadinejad is Iran's equalevent of SA's MALEMA, take note and be very aware of the danger of the popularist and uneducated vote by desperate, unemployed, hungary voters. These are dangerious ignorant politically inept poeple to everybody...including themselves!! You watching baba Zuma and co???

      negro.please - 2011-09-22 23:07

      jimzimbo: I'd disagree with you there because Juju failed woodwork and this guy is Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. So that's one significant difference. I'd give the holder of a doctorate an audience over a failed matric student any day. Wait a minute, that makes YOU more like Juju.

      Redson - 2011-09-24 19:46

      @negro.please: they had doctors in the Nazi death camps doing experiments on jews. Doctorate ? morality, social justice or even knowledge about the greater world. I've met many doctors who were very ignorant on subjects out of their scope of study.

  • Robin7 - 2011-09-22 20:16

    Didn't know the Kaiser & Adolf were Americnas?!? Did they get a green card?

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:32

      Indeed... it seems that the anti-american gang were not paying attention in school during history class.....

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:43

      More than just the USA walked out...did you catch that?

  • Adam - 2011-09-22 20:16

    I somehow agree with this fool, if you think about it he is right. As much as i hate him, he talks more sense than the American idiots who just want to declare war on OIL RICH COUNTRIES. If you think about it, all the wars that have been declared by them over the last couple of decades has got to do with that black liquid that u put in your car

      Ateis - 2011-09-22 20:18

      He is right? Just how did the US cause two world wars pray tell?

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:23

      do u doubt that they caused the wars in iraq and afghanistan

      Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:24

      When Madelyn albright was asked if it was woth it that 500 000 babies died as a result of US saction on iraq, she said yes, research it for ueselves

      Redson - 2011-09-24 19:48

      @Adam: interesting. They haven't declared war against Canada - The USA's largest provider of oil.

      Redson - 2011-09-24 19:50

      Just in case you ask for a reference:

      Redson - 2011-09-24 19:53

      People don't realize just how little oil the US get's from much of the middle east. Canada is their largest provider followed by Saudi Arabia... who they are not at war with.

  • Seth - 2011-09-22 20:19

    Death to mahmoud ahmadinejad asswipe!

      fraidycat - 2011-09-22 20:47

      Why death? So anybody who has the balls to stand against the US of A point of view should die? A bit extreme? - 2011-09-22 21:07

      @cat,ahmadjarshole would like to wipe you and the rest of the civilised world out at the press of a button if this evil person could.Its not balls its stupid ignorance,a bit like you if you support him.

      Law01 - 2011-09-22 21:17

      People, fellow countrymen, when are we going to wise up and use our intellect when it comes to Politics? Can we not see, is it not evident that The US has a history of invading other countries, it is all the same, using their Mainstream Media to brainwash us all. Why would the media portray Ahemdinejad in a good light, never they want to Prop up the Zionist Puppets, Obama, Bush and their regimes. Please read alternative media reports and decide. visit Our country could be next in line for a hit, to be on the safe side just have an unbiassed, objective mind and relaise the Zionists Plot to Rule the World. What do you have to lose??

      BernieK - 2011-09-22 21:26

      Fraiday cat - you are one hell of a stupid clot. Why do you support Ahmadinejad? Why? Go back and study Ahmadinejad. Please, just do that and then you come back and tell all of us what you think of Ahmadinejad. Go, do it.

      Fragile - 2011-09-23 00:13

      Law: "I just have an unbiassed, objective mind and relaise the Zionists Plot to Rule the World" and the starship troopers are going to take on the islamists

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:24

      Law. In our lovely country people seem to consider politics and intellect to be mutually exclusive. We tend to stop thinking when it comes to politics. Not very bright, really.

  • Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:12

    America is a cancer to the entire world

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:19

      You are smoking that ANC stuff Proper education is the key here, you get it if you know history and not the crap this guy is selling at the UN - hell he thinks the world is filled with stupid people

  • Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:12

    America caused more deaths to civilians than the entire islamic world put together

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:20

      Wrong again

  • Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:14

    America invaded Iraq under a lie, Iran did not invade any country

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:20

      They can not even if they wanted to

  • Luapolku - 2011-09-22 21:15

    America carried out 911 on its own people and used it as an excuse to invade Afghnistan and Iraq, What did Iran do

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:25

      You're beginning to sound like something from The Cat in the Hat, Luapolku.

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:22

      hell you are lost in Limpopo text books and SA education system - you will be on handouts the rest of your existence if you continue like that

  • Paul - 2011-09-22 21:19

    America is not Big Brother and they must realise it? What are they still doing in Irak and Afghanistan?

  • nazeem - 2011-09-22 21:23


      Fragile - 2011-09-23 00:15

      kept us safe from dictatorships, nazisim & Islam.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:20

      @ Fragile - oh you'd be surprised what the USA has done in the 20th Century... Chile, El Salvador, Panama, Nicaragua, Iran (pre-79), Iran-Iraq (sold them both weapons to fight each other) - they've deposed a few leaders in favour of dictators! (still I'm in no way pro-Ahmedinejad)

  • end of earth - 2011-09-22 21:45

    the americans do not cause , but they instigate (that is the operative word). they r doing that currently with china & tiawan. take the american admin at cash value not face value . look behind the scenes.

  • quintinj - 2011-09-22 21:51

    If anyone regards ahmadinejad or his statements as justifiable you seriously need a reality check, the man is no better than mugabe, at least the americans have their freedom, what does his people have? There will always be some sort of super power in the world, be thankful it's america and not something like ahmadinejad. Its easy to criticize a people, the world would for sure be lacking in many of the modern luxuries we have come to rely on if it wasn't for the us. Think about that.

      Zee - 2011-09-23 12:03

      So forgive countries for acting against international law, because otherwise we can't watch TV or surf the net?

  • DarwinEvolution - 2011-09-22 21:52


      negro.please - 2011-09-23 00:09

      DarwinEvolution: Anger makes you stupid. And I thought Atheists' beliefs were based on clear thinking and sound scientific reasoning. Stop embarrassing your kind on here.

      negro.please - 2011-09-23 01:15

      DarwinEvolution = Believer in evolution Believer in evolution = Not a believer in God Not a believer in God = Not a believer in Heaven and Hell So, which Hell is it you're talking about blowing these people into here, since there's no such thing for you? These scientists have brainwashed you my friend. If they come to you asking you to blow yourself up for the cause, say no!

      daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:26

      He was stupid from the start. That's why he needs to shout.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:21

      He could always emigrate to North Korea - a lovely utopia where only atheism is allowed...

  • Critereo - 2011-09-22 22:02

    The Iranians had a moral victory of the US and all those who could not face the truth and walked out like RATS! Yes Iran is not perfect, but if you listen carefully to what he said, the man has a point. South Africa should follow Brazil by imposing VISA's on travel for US citizens and the UK - and reciprocate that to all of these "high and mighty" countries who think they are the law onto themselves. DOUBLE standards is what Mad dog Obama and Mad dog Cameron his little bitch practices wherever they go.

      Fragile - 2011-09-23 00:16

      your the rat

      negro.please - 2011-09-23 00:32

      Fragile: No, you're the rat. Your turn now.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-23 07:13

    Rude and rather childish. Have the courtsey to allow people you don't agree with to speak, at least. Like a bunch of kids.

  • Mason - 2011-09-23 07:38

    This idiot sounds like Jacob Zuma and his little idiot Juliass...causing two world wars and a bomb ob 'defenseless people'??? I suppose the Germans had nothing to do with it then!! I suppose he is no Dickeater either! That desert Pot must be good!

  • Graham Bartholomew - 2011-09-23 07:57

    Strange, the Arab nations were taking slaves from Africa long before America was even discovered.

      negro.please - 2011-09-23 09:59

      You choose to concentrate on three sentences he made on the subject, providing his motivation. What about the more important issues he address like eliminating veto powers and nuclear arms stockpiling?

  • theodore burns - 2011-09-23 07:59

    well, he does have a point...

  • ihatum - 2011-09-23 08:41

    Who are these other countries?, it's sad most people don't see back enough and far ahead enough to realise the damage the american policies are doing to the rest of the world. At least someone has the balls to speak out.

  • negro.please - 2011-09-23 09:31

    My new homepage: His proposals for the removal of veto power for certain privileged states reflects the thoughts of most nations I think. Except it will vetoed if it's put to a vote.

  • Lehana Motloung - 2011-09-23 11:04

    I have a great deal of respect for this man. he speaks the truth bluntly and presents it with a flair of intellectualism

  • beicime - 2011-09-23 12:04

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon.

  • beicime - 2011-09-23 12:04

    South Africa only takes lost positions to be different and have its own identity.

  • JBft - 2011-09-23 15:31

    Luapolku Other than in Africa that is where every leader (poor term for the ones that govern African countries) is a destructive greedy fool. Iran is a circus country run by some religious clowns

  • Harold - 2011-09-24 18:03

    Truth hurts hey USA

  • Rocketman - 2011-09-24 18:51

    Nuke Iran.

  • peterretief - 2011-09-24 19:48

    Ahmadinejad is un-elected, murders his own people, taking cheap shots at democratic countries that show him up to be the fraud he is

  • stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-09-25 00:02

    Question, how did the Americans cause world was 1, they were attacked at Pearl Harbour by the Japanese and weren't involved in the war till that incident. Just goes to show how people rewrite history to support their bent ideologies and views to incite hatred and anger. The USA did not start the World Wars, Hitler did and thats a fact that cannot be disputed.

      Johnson - 2012-09-25 07:25

      Problem is the education systems in some countries, they teach their kids what they think they should know and not what really happened. I am sure Zimbabwe is teaching their kids about their heroes - Robert Mugabe "now imagine the picture they will have in future and the distorted minds that will come out of there.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-25 06:54

    They started two world wars - what is this man smoking, America was requested to assist in the second world war - Hitler started it not the USA - all wars where the USA was involved was to remove dictators like you

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