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Vatican hits back against WikiLeaks

2010-12-11 16:01

Vatican City - The Vatican hit back on Saturday after cables released by WikiLeaks indicated it had refused to co-operate with an Irish probe into child sex abuse by Catholic priests in Dublin.

The Vatican press office expressed scepticism at the reliability of the reports in a statement that referred to "the extreme seriousness of publishing such a large amount of secret and confidential material, and its possible consequences".

"Naturally these reports reflect the perceptions and opinions of the people who wrote them and cannot be considered as expressions of the Holy See itself, nor as exact quotations of the words of its officials," it said.

"Their reliability must, then, be evaluated carefully and with great prudence, bearing this circumstance in mind."

A cable from the US embassy in Rome, carried by The Guardian, had said requests for information by Ireland's Murphy Commission "offended many in the Vatican... because they saw them as an affront to Vatican sovereignty".

First priority


The Murphy commission's findings, published in November 2009, caused shock across Ireland and the worldwide Catholic community by detailing how Church authorities covered up for paedophile priests in Dublin for three decades.

Dated February 26 2010, the cable quoted US diplomat in Rome Julieta Noyes as saying: "While Vatican contacts immediately expressed deep sympathy for the victims and insisted that the first priority was preventing a recurrence, they also were angered by how the situation played out politically."

Apart from the "affront to Vatican sovereignty", the cable said Vatican officials were annoyed that Dublin "did not step in to direct the Murphy Commission to follow standard procedures in communications with Vatican City.

"Adding insult to injury, Vatican officials also believed some Irish opposition politicians were making political hay with the situation by calling publicly on the government to demand that the Vatican reply."

Ultimately, the Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, wrote to the Irish embassy and ordered that any further requests go through diplomatic channels.

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms the disclosure of what is alleged to be classified State Department information. We will not comment on the content or the authenticity of that information," the US ambassador to the Holy See, Miguel Diaz, said in a separate statement.

Diaz hailed the Obama administration's "robust foreign policy that focuses on promoting America's national interests and leading the world in solving the most complex challenges of our time".

Lobbying

"The Embassy of the United States to the Holy See has engaged in ongoing efforts with the Vatican to turn interfaith dialogue into actions in many of these areas, for the sake of the common good," he said.

Another cable concerning the Vatican revealed by WikiLeaks on Saturday showed that Britain feared Pope Benedict XVI's invitation for disgruntled Anglicans to switch to Catholicism might spark anti-Catholic violence at home.

A 2002 cable published by the New York Times revealed that US diplomats believe some top members of the Vatican's hierarchy still harbour anti-Semitic views.

Other cables said the Vatican agreed to help the US in behind-the-scenes lobbying of states to join the Copenhagen Accord on climate change, and was instrumental in securing the release of 15 British navy personnel detained by Iran in 2007.

Comments
  • droplet - 2010-12-11 16:27

    we have a right to know these things. all you people that are being embarrassed by these leaks: shame on you!

  • Carl Muller - 2010-12-11 16:47

    A 2002 cable published by the New York Times revealed that US diplomats believe some top members of the Vatican's hierarchy still harbour anti-Semitic views.

  • Bob - 2010-12-11 17:16

    Those priest will deny it......they have had a liking for lil choir boys for centuries.....they probably keep a few in close attendance at all times......&$*&$ F*CKERS

  • Balstrome - 2010-12-11 18:09

    What else do you think these guys could have said? Admit that they did not want the investigations to continue? What are you, nine ?

  • Stollie - 2010-12-11 18:20

    If you gather all the priests in the world together in one place and throw a stone into the crowd, you'll be hard pressed to hit one that hasn't had his way with little boys and girls... While they're all gathered together, and since you're already throwing stones at them you may as well throw a few thousand more and stone all the sick bastards. Roman Catholicism is fundamentally flawed in that, simply put, human beings weren't made (by evolution) to keep in in our pants, and it seems that even so called "righteous" men will go to extreme lengths to satisfy their human urges. Actually... religion in general is fundamentally flawed in that it is insane and it fosters hate and intolerance. Wikileaks is awesome, Assange is a babe.

      derek55 - 2010-12-11 20:12

      Most of those posting comments are assuming that all the info "leaked" by wikileaks is the Gospel truth. The possibility is that it is twisted truth and sensationalism. The world is so corrupt and demented that the sooner Our lord Jesus Christ comes to judge the better. I am ready, are you?

      Balstrome - 2010-12-11 22:13

      Well, the leaked cables have more truth in them than the combined religious texts, of the whole human history. Ever notice that there was no lasting evidence for any of the your Jesus's miracles, I wonder why not, maybe they did not happen at all...What do you think? Wait you don't, think that is, you have faith. Grin

      Stollie - 2010-12-11 23:42

      @derek55 I'm afraid i am not ready... i am not ready to throw away all sanity and logic and quiver in my boots. YOUR jesus christ may judge me as much as he likes, i am not scared of any fictional character judging me. It's like asking me if I'm afraid of Lord Voldemort or Gandalf... um no... they exist only in great works of fantasy literature (another example of such a fantasy book is the bible) and in people's imagination... last I checked figments of the imagination didn't judge. So if you would kindly take your religion and keep it to yourself and stop trying to force it on me or anyone else... I'd really appreciate it. I'm sick of "christians" trying to shove their crap down everyone's throats. GOOOO AWAY! @Balstrome *tips hat*

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-11 23:57

      @derek55,,Im ready to be judged,unlike these Atheists on here..Just one big BANG,and then theyre back on their knees praying to Jesus for help..Atheists are a bloody joke and cannot be taken seriously by anyone.

      Stollie - 2010-12-12 01:17

      @Pop Idol Hahahahahahahahahahaha you funny bunny!

      likeme - 2010-12-12 08:48

      What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without proof! And I'm referring to all religious faiths. Superstitious ignorance! No child should be exposed to any form of "sky fairy nonsense" until they have reached an age of reason, and then as adults left to make choices if they so wish. Chances are, very few would "convert" and that is exactly why these monotheistic religions start their indoctrination process at early age. Smell the coffee, please, and study up on what science has to tell us about our evolutionary history! Virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection etc.,were reported by people, who at that time, could be compared to many of the indigenious tribes of parts of Africa who still believe in ancestoral spirits, (and their sangomas who throw bones etc.,) in this day and age!

  • Pop Idol - 2010-12-11 20:49

    People think that these "leaks" are the absolute truth,whereas its just some peoples opinions.We have heard things of the USA,China,Mandela,Malema,North Korea,,YET,,,NO mention of Israel...now isnt this i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-i-n-g?..The biggest threat to peace in the middle east since 1948 which is Israel,gets NO mention...Hmmmmmmm....me thinks they are behind all of this misinformation

      axeinformation - 2010-12-11 21:42

      you my friend isn't really thinking. Do some research and you'll see that there is a lot of cables released about Israel. have you actually checked all 250K of leaks personally? The associated websites and media report only the leaks of interests to them or to the specific country they reside in.

      Balstrome - 2010-12-11 22:15

      @axeinformation. That would mean that Pop Idol would have to actually read the cables, and you know that, that requires ability.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-11 23:32

      @axeinformation,,,,anything about israel must and should be shown on Tv too highlight what an apartheid,racist and demonic state Israel really is,but they didnt...What are they hiding?? Why hasnt israel made headlines?? They mentioned Julius Malema,whos rather insignificant to the world,but nothing about Israel??? Hmmmmmm

      Stollie - 2010-12-11 23:47

      um... as of 23h43 on 11 December only 1295 of the 250 000 have actually been released... please visit http://www.wikileaks.ch/cablegate.html for confirmation. That's only about 0.5%... Please also visit http://www.wikileaks.ch/tag/IS_0.html which actually lists all cables regarding Israel that has currently been released. Please do us a favour and don't even become a journalist, your investigative skills suck.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-11 23:56

      @Stollie,,and u call that rubbish a leak? HAHAHAHA,,,its JUST someones opinions on Israel...PROPER leaks are the locations of US nukes in Europe,,THAT is a leak,not this rubbish u speak about..I would make an excellent journalist..I wanna see REAL leaks on how Israel is systematically committing a genocide of palestinian people and how they plan to steal palestinian land..If u cant provide a PROPER leak to me,then shut up and ship out of this blog sight

      Stollie - 2010-12-12 01:26

      @Pop Idol My my you're an angry and judgmental little tiger. Doesn't your religion teach you to play nice? I thought you weren't supposed to call anyone names or judge, sis on you, you bad christian. Why don't you write WiliLeaks a letter, or perhaps someone in the US dept of defense and ask them to pretty please send you some info on Israel and Europe based nukes, because in your opinion Wikileaks is doing a rotten job of leaking their secrets. I think you should go read your bible to calm down a little, or pray to jesus to give you the patience to deal with us meanie yucky atheists.

      Stollie - 2010-12-12 01:32

      @Pop Idol By the way, when I call you angry little tiger, this is the image that pops into my head. VERY scary! Now that DID manage to make me shake in my boots. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Angry_tiger.jpg

      Truthseeker2 - 2010-12-12 07:35

      @Pop Idol: i agree with you. it certainly is fishy that there aren't any cables released exposing israeli misdemeanours. there are reports though that Assange made an agreement with israel not to release anything damning about them. it's also interesting to note that the wikileaks cables are been released through mainstream media organisations of the like of the New York Times which is known to be zionist controlled. wikileaks is probably another elaborate propaganda/misinformation campaign engineered by the US-Israeli ziocon establishment to help further their goal of global domination.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-12 12:54

      @Truthseeker2,,,,Amen to you

  • croix - 2010-12-12 04:23

    The quibbling doesn't do much to alleviate fears and disruption of young, abused lives. The only thing that matters here, is : What is the Roman Catholic church going to do (i) to prevent further acts of vile indecency by its clergy, and (ii) how is the church going to fix the young lives they virtually 'destroyed'? Strange to see the denialism and scurrying in all the 'pig pens' around the globe. Go, Wikileaks - you good thing!

  • Lusatrade - 2010-12-12 07:59

    Vatican just once again trying to cover its ass and hide the rot and abuse of children by its clergy for decades

  • Lusatrade - 2010-12-12 08:00

    Vatican just once again trying to cover its ass and hide the rot and abuse of children by its clergy for decades

      oxygen - 2010-12-12 10:25

      The vatican needs fumigation - a good, strong, insect repellent such as DDT should do the trick. Preferably in their faces and up their red robes.

  • exocist - 2010-12-12 11:02

    WHY DO ALL OF YOU THINK OR ASSUME THIS IS A RELIGIOUS THING, THE ONE BLAMES THE OTHER, CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IS NOT ONLY THE PRACTICE OF THE CLERGY IT IS JUST AS RIFE IN SOME HOUSEHOLDS,EVIL EXISTS IN CHURCHES AS WELL BELONGING TO A "CHURCH" DOES NOT EXEMPT PEOPLE FROM EVIL, A CHURCH IS ONLY A BUILDING MADE OF BRICKS AND MORTER IT DOES NOT PROTECT YOU NOR CAN IT SAVE YOUR SOUL WHEN THERE IS A NATURAL DISASTER CHURCHES GET DESTROYED JUST AS OTHER BUILDINGS, THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED IS TO LIVE A LIFE AS CHRIST DID PURE AND HOLY, RESPECTING HIS FATHERS LAWS, PEOPLE PUT THIER FAITH IN MAN ( PRIESTS, MINISTERS )AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING THE PRIEST SAYS COMES FROM GOD, NO PRIST CAN SAVE YOU, ONLY THE GRACE OF GOD DOES DON'T YOU REALISE THAT EVEN POPES WILL BE JUDGED, PLEASE PRAY AND READ YOUR BIBLE (NOT THE MODERN ONES, THEY HAVE BEEN REWRITTEN AND TAMPERED WITH )READ THE KING JAMES VERSION IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT

      kbsummit - 2010-12-12 11:43

      While I do not support religion, but a relationhip with Jesus Christ I agree exocist with your response to what it seems has become a religion bashing forum, again! Without doubt evil is evil whether it be clergy, fathers, mothers, teachers, etc it must be rooted out and rejected. The Bible clearly states that what is hidden will be uncovered and opened for all to see - wikileaks is possibly that vehicle to bring these things into the open so that people will repent of their sin and turn to God. It is impossible for man to save himself. He only digs deeper holes for himself - we only need to look around us and see the continued deterioration of the world as we know it. Then they blame God when it all goes pear-shaped!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Stollie - 2010-12-12 14:16

      Lets have a look at the numbers shall we... approximately 4392 of priests in the USA have been accused by over 10 600 victims (I am using the US as an example because more exact figures are available), that's about 4%. Let us compare that to say... the adult male population on earth since you say that child abuse happens across the board. The current estimate of humans on earth is 6,887,200,000, then lets roughly estimate that 50% of babies born are male... coz that's what your mortal enemy Darwin reckoned, so around 3,400,000,000 are male. It is estimated that 27% of humans on earth are under the age of 15, so lets assume that boys younger than 15 haven't yet figured out how to wave their manhood around (which is probably not true in this day and age) so the adult male population is 2,482,000,000. Ok, now what is 4% of that? 99,280,000. So that means if abuse occurs as much in any other part of society as it does in the Roman Catholic church that around a hundred million men are child abusers? Get real. These priests are in a position of power, and because they are "men of god" they are trusted by their victims. Let's see you try stay celibate for 60-70 odd years. And can you please stop typing in capitals? All your religious shouting is making my eyes and head hurt. So this is a clear indication that the percentage of monsters in the church is significantly larger than in the general public.

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-12 17:00

      @Stollie,,,oh u silly lollie,,,this is what u said "approximately 4392 of priests in the USA have been accused by over 10 600 victims " Read that again wont you?? ACCUSED...Now that u got that through your thick head,these people still need to be PROVEN in court to have committed these acts...If the church never had money,u wouldnt have so many priests accused of these things,believe me...Its all about the money...Now Stollie,please stop being a silly Lollie,ya making a fool of yourself in front of everyone here

      Stollie - 2010-12-12 21:00

      Fair enough, 1872 have been found guilty, lets redo calculations. That's 1.7%. Let's look at adult male population... 42,216,000 still paints a grim picture. The point is my friend, and this has been proven, religion has caused more pain and suffering over the past two thousand years than should be accepted and allowed. And just by the way, only 345 of the 4392 priests are subject to abuse claims that can not be substantiated. Fight me on this all you like, but it's written down in the history of the world in the Crusades, in the witch hunts during the Inquisition, the holy wars currently raging all over the middle east, even YOU trying your very bestest to tell me how wrong and stupid and silly I am is an attack only me,a and my own moral values, which i rate much higher than those who bow their heads in church every Sunday. Lucky for us all I'm used to bible bashing psychos, even though it is getting a little annoying. If you want to keep arguing, go ahead, but I'm not really sure what your ammo is, I have given you all the facts. Would you like to see your angry tiger picture again? Grrrrrrrrrr!

      Pop Idol - 2010-12-12 23:00

      @Stollie, the silly Lollie,, this is what u said "is an attack only me,a and my own moral values," ,I suppose u are an Atheist? Atheists have no morals,since morals come from God.We get OUR morals from God,as written in the bible and these laws have found its way into secular laws such as thou shall not murder,steal,fornicate.Since you dont believe in God,as an Atheist you therefore cannot have morals,because where do u derive your morals from then? Lastly,Atheist movements such as Communism have actually killed more people during its existence from 1918-1990.Take those murdered and multiply it by 2000 years,and u will see that Atheists such as yourselves have murdered much much more people than "holy wars"...You my friend,have no morals,and since u have no morals,i shudder to think where u will stop or start at anything in life..Get my point?? Great stuff ,now run along now you stollie,you silly lollie

      Stollie - 2010-12-13 02:25

      @Pop Idol Yawn

      Isuru - 2011-07-26 10:02

      @exocist ther's no such thing as evil.... it's plain stupidity and ignorance combined with youthful psychological damage. The references are not to the church the physical building, it is to the church the institution..... Oh, and the King james version was designed to rid of the various political divide in england/scotland that was caused from the religous divide in the 1600's. It was law.

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