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Woman ticketed in France for veil

2011-04-12 14:53

Paris - Police say a woman was ticketed in a suburban Paris shopping centre for wearing a face veil, in the first public sanction under a new ban on the garments.

Regional police said on Tuesday the 27-year-old was stopped by police in the mall parking lot in the town of Mureaux. She was handed a ticket that requires her to pay a $216 fine or register for citizenship classes within a month.

Police say the Monday exchange was brief and calm and the woman was not brought to the police station.

France's ban on veils such as the niqab and burqa came into effect on Monday.

Though such veils are very rare in France, many Muslims see the ban as a stigma. President Nicolas Sarkozy says such veils imprison women and wanted a ban to uphold equality and secularism.

Comments
  • Zee - 2011-04-12 15:16

    For a modern day 'democratic' country this reeks of stgmatism and intolerance of religious beliefs. In a 'free' (very ironic) country, in a public place there is hardly any evidence to support that fact that she was imprisoned, downtrodden or treated as a second class citizen. France had better re-evaluate its legislature or else i motion that we move to fine people wearing fez's or yarmulke's! A clear case of Sarkozy suffering from small mans syndrome and trying to impose himself. Its disgusting!

      Michael - 2011-04-12 15:48

      In Saudi Arabia, all women, whether Muslim or not, are by law required to cover their hair, necks, arms, and legs. If you want to go to Saudi Arabia, you have to follow their laws. Now, Zee, why can France not pass its own laws. Instead of forcing women to cover themselves, they are forcing women not to cover their faces. Whether the reason is for security or not doesn't matter. France has the same rights as Saudi Arabia to set its own laws. The simple matter is that if foreigners do not like the laws of France, they can simply pack up and go to some Muslim country where they can cover themselves with whatever they like.

      Point Blank - 2011-04-12 15:53

      I agree with Michael, respect the laws of the country you in. By all means, voice your disapproval but until you can change them, abide by them. Finish and Klaar...

      Helen - 2011-04-12 16:01

      you forget something-that under that veil could very well lie a bomb! If the muslim countries accommodate us with our short sleeves and bare legs, then by all means France may accommodate the burqa or niqab. It works both ways, Zee!

      Helen - 2011-04-12 16:01

      you forget something-that under that veil could very well lie a bomb! If the muslim countries accommodate us with our short sleeves and bare legs, then by all means France may accommodate the burqa or niqab. It works both ways, Zee!

      buzz - 2011-04-12 16:16

      Zee, if you owned a bank in france, would you be happy for prople to enter your bank completely and fully closed off for identification? There are security issues you know. There could also be dynamite under there - as has actually happened - but now people must sacrifice their security because you feeled all sensitive? Go fly yourself a kite.

      Psalm - 2011-04-12 17:49

      @ Zee, Clearly you know next to nothing about the French and their way of life and especially about this law. Yarmulkes are hardly a logical comparison (unless in the world of the insane) as the law outlaws facial coverings, excl sunglasses, etc. Furthermore, the law applies to ALL facial coverings - so claims of stigmatisation are OTT and dishonest. The French are clear on their conditions: hidding your face with a cloth because you think that the infidels are sexual deviants is not a sign of belonging in France - pay a fine or attend citizenship classes (as you clearly don't know French values or, if forced by hubby to wear the black tent, hubby will a HEFTY fine and also go jail as he is a domestic tyrant). Wearing a baclava because you want to hide your face while attacking non-whites ain't gonna fly - the cops will ensure that. Of course those muslims who wish to claim "victim" status are always free to move to the Islamic paradise of Saudi Arabia where disdain for women is a religious and legal duty. Oh, BTW, about 80% of the French SUPPORT the law. That's democracy. The law was passed almost unanimously (I think 1 vote against it). Supported by ALL parties in parliament.

  • sbouttell - 2011-04-12 15:20

    Neither the Fez nor the Yarmulke obscure the wearers' entire face. The parda, completely obscures all features, and makes identification impossible. Fanatics have made our world difficult to govern, and now civil liberties are taking second place to publice safety.

      sbouttell - 2011-04-12 15:21

      *public*. sorry.

      Zee - 2011-04-12 15:32

      I agree that the world is a tough place to govern but that doesn't make this decision just or correct. There is a larger philosophical debate that underpins this but at a basic level it infringes on personal and religious beliefs.

      sbouttell - 2011-04-12 15:41

      @Zee. It has been argued successfully, that the full facial covering is not a matter of religious belief, but that of cultural following. The Koran says women are to dress demurely, not to hide themselves completely.

      Helen - 2011-04-12 16:04

      you forget something-that under that veil could very well lie a bomb! If the muslim countries accommodate us with our short sleeves and bare legs, then by all means France may accommodate the burqa or niqab. It works both ways, Zee!

  • Frikkie1234 - 2011-04-12 15:40

    This is a very sensitive debate always, but is there any mention in the Quran about wearing full body coverings by woman, probably not, so I hardly believe its a religious issue but more an issue of oppression disguised in the veil of religion, after all anyone who has been to Dubai will know having your head as a woman uncovered is a very big no no. As far as I know France is a Christian country and as for equality or stigmatism, if you want to live in France you obey by her rules, if you don’t like it when France is not the home for you and you free to explore alternatives like emigration to Saudi Arabia.

      Zee - 2011-04-12 16:15

      Hi Frikkie - no it does not, women are not requires to cover their entire face in Islam. These people are fanatics practicing a Wahabbist, extreme form of Islam, like the Taliban does. Most Muslims are moderate and choose not to go that way thankfully. PS. Zee please get another nickname - why News24 allows multiple registrations of the same nick is beyond me!

  • fandash1 - 2011-04-12 15:44

    What amazes me is that immigrants move into a new country and then have so much to say about the laws in their adopted country. If life is so bad in their adopted country then why leave their so called home country in the first place? As John Howard of Australia once said, Australia is based on Christianity and Christian principles and if you cannot embrace that then go back to where you came from and don’t bring your bad attitude into Australia. Time for more people with backbone like him, to be elected into office. Well done Sarkozy.

      craftcrazy@24.com - 2011-04-12 15:49

      Right behind you on this one! I totally agree with John Howard and wish the rest of the world would stand up for their Christian beliefs. If you don't like the laws... go home!

  • Vernon - 2011-04-12 15:49

    good..finally...when in rome do as the romans do...these arabs are evil ....wherever they go they wanna rule...truth is the presidents excuse is not needed at all. all he needs to say is "they are criminals and mass murders. who knows what they hiding under there"

      Point Blank - 2011-04-12 16:04

      Right! It is about time people stopped running after arabs and muslims demanding their way of life... time to start confoming to others way of lives as well and if you don't like it, go back to your goat herding oppresive countries....

      Paco7 - 2011-04-18 14:15

      vernon u are an ignorant moron

  • Eric - 2011-04-12 15:50

    Why do all except, that in the religions and traditions from the Middle East i.e. Islam & Christianity, should dictate “way of life” in all country's around the world. I say well done Franco for setting your own identity!!!!

  • Eric - 2011-04-12 15:50

    Why do all except, that in the religions and traditions from the Middle East i.e. Islam & Christianity, should dictate “way of life” in all country's around the world. I say well done Franco for setting your own identity!!!!

  • roswell - 2011-04-12 16:02

    I agree with Frances decision. If you want to live there then follow their rules

  • roswell - 2011-04-12 16:02

    I agree with Frances decision. If you want to live there then follow their rules

  • James - 2011-04-12 16:24

    @Zee. There is nothing disgusting about it. We have to draw the line somewhere, this is but a minor step compared to those law's forced apon populations in Muslim country's. Either there is religious freedoms for all(Worldwide) , or there are rules. Evidently, Muslim country's seek to implement these 'rules', and take the attitude "when in rome do as the romans do".

  • James - 2011-04-12 16:39

    Religious right has overstayed it's welcome. Religious groups world wide are declining at a alarming rate. For the next generation of kids, this BS won't even be an issue..have fun wile you can!! haha

  • brinjal - 2011-04-12 17:56

    Go to any muslim country & you have to abide by their rules, they need to accept Frances'rules if they want to live or visit there.

  • WATCHMAN - 2011-04-12 19:26

    Even the muslim woman hide behind masks. They want to live in other countries, then they should do so under those countries laws! She was probably a terrorist anyway!!

      bilo - 2011-04-12 20:27

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