Africa's youth should rebel - Thabo Mbeki

2012-03-17 18:13

Johannesburg - The youth of the African continent should prepare themselves for a rebellion against their older generation and claim their leadership role Thabo Mbeki said on Saturday.

Mbeki who was addressing the Youth 21 global leadership forum in Nairobi, Kenya said two thirds of the continent's population was the youth and that in 2045 they would be the leaders responsible for the two billion projected continental population.

"To ensure that [the youth] actually exercises the leadership everybody rhetorically accepts and proclaims is its due, the youth must organise and ready itself to rebel, so to speak!"

"It would obviously be unnatural that I, a member of the older generation, would easily and willingly accept that younger people, my own children, should, at best, sit side-by-side with me as co-leaders, fully empowered to help determine the future of our people," he said.

He said the new generation should define its unique and historic contribution to their societies' development, otherwise it ran the risk of betraying its mission which would condemn the continent to "the out-dated views and prejudices of the older generations".

He said the continent's future depended on achieving the objectives in African Youth Charter of "peace and security, democracy and good governance, economic growth and development and gender equality" to which all African Union member states were bound to.

For the youth to take up their leadership role, it was imperative that Youth 21 global forum establish how the older generation should enable them to "discharge their obligation to exercise leadership" and "organise itself to play this the in struggle for the realisation of its goals," said Mbeki.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-17 18:23

    Thabo is bitter and angry. But luckily we know he was not promoting the Malemas of this world. He can't POSSIBLY be THAT angry.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 18:50

      He was in Kenya.

      Anthony - 2012-03-17 19:05

      ""He said the continent's future depended on achieving the objectives in African Youth Charter of "peace and security, """democracy and good governance""", economic growth and development and gender equality" to which all African Union member states were bound to"" Well Thabo Mbeki, YOU have been a lousy example to this, YOU are the cause that Mugabe is still there, And YOU are the one who wanted this criminal gadaffi to continue terrorizing the Libyan population !!!!!

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 19:13

      @ Hugo He was speaking (in his own mind, but still) to the whole of Africa. One would have expected him to draw a distinction between legitimate and intelligent youths on the one hand and the rest like we see represented by the Malemas in this country. Is it possible that Mbeki can be so unthinking in his utterances? He does after all carry the trade mark "South Africa" wherever he goes. The Malemas are also trade marked as South African. One has to draw conclusions if one has to. And we are forced to given the background and what seems to brewing in this country. At least we have to consider the possibility of an anger out of control. We can only hope it is not the case. But Mbeki is after all considered by some as an intellectual. The latter label clearly calls for his consideration of all relevant implications and the absence of ambiguity in his proclamations. But we might as well also consider that he is financially safe and assured of an overseas living out of the rest of his life if things go terribly wrong in this country. Most of the rest of us are not so lucky.

      Ben - 2012-03-17 19:51

      You gain popularity by saying what the people you are speaking to, want to hear. Why this man wants to be popular nobody knows.

      Squeegee - 2012-03-17 19:57

      Highly irresponsible.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-17 20:05

      get lost Mbeki you idiot. You just bitter about being kicked out of office as were useless anyways and you were too "silent" you starting to speak up....hahaha

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-17 20:08

      I hope the rebellious youth through bricks and petrol bombs at your house too Mbeki

      Smell - 2012-03-17 21:01

      Thabo Mbeki remains the biggest disappointment the ANC has served up since 1994. A man with his pedigree and intellect could have served South Africa so much better. Perhaps there will be an autobiography one day to enlighten us why he remained so bitter and twisted when others around him like Mr Mandela, Mr Zuma and even his brother Moeletsi Mbeki managed to transcend that. It is outrageous that he espouses the objectives of "peace and security, democracy and good governance, economic growth and development and gender equality" on an international stage, when providing security for South Africa's citizens has been one of the biggest failures of our ANC government. And why did Mbeki not raise those objectives with Mugabe who has been doing exactly the opposite in Zimbabwe since 2000? Why did Mbeki go on an official visit to Haiti to celebrate their independence from the evil colonists when Haiti is the best example of governance failure in the Western World? What on earth compelled an educated man to suggest garlic and beetroot for HIV treatment and deny his people antiretrovirals resulting in the death of 300,000 Africans (that is ten times the death toll resulted from Apartheid). How can he sleep at night? Mr. Mbeki has some good qualities, but there something seriously amiss with him.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 22:06

      cracker he was physically in Kenya, so I dont know what you mean when you say " in his own mind..."

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 22:24

      @ Hugo was he referring to the youth of only Kenya? He is stirring. Can't you sense the obvious? He knows just as well as the rest of us that in South Africa the ANCYL is on a confrontation path with the ANC. As a so-called intellectual you simply do not make such misstatements on purpose. He was addressing his call to the whole of Africa's youth and he knows that there is a connection with the ANCYL in South Africa. But let's make it easy on him. He should now come out and clarify that he did not mean the ANCYL under its current leadership should rebel against the so-called elders in this country. Mbeki created a certain perception with his call - a perception not unreasonable for us to adopt in our minds here in South Africa given the circumstances - so he should clarify it NOW in public that he did not have underhanded motives in mind. LET MBEKI NOW CLARIFY PUBLICLY WHAT HE HAD IN MIND FOR SOUTH AFRICA WITH HIS CLARION CALL. WAS IT DIRECTED AT JACOB ZUMA AND IN FAVOUR OF THE ANCYL UNDER THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP OF MALEMA OR NOT. So we can all understand that we may have misunderstood. FAIR OR NOT?

      Sheda - 2012-03-18 10:29

      Sounds like a man with no balls and scared of his children because of the mistakes he has made. My "children" want me to lead and one day their children will want them to lead. All in good time as experience can never be replaced by the petulance of youth. Shame Thabo, I never liked you and now I do not even respect your thinking.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 11:50

      Smell yours is the only sensible critique of the man.However please be informed that his only gripe was the use of AZT to 'subdue HIV/AIDS'.The problem with AZT is that it is toxic and genrally known as a DNA terminator.i.e it will kill DNA structure of viruses,bacteria and humans.It was discarded as a cancer drug,why was it used in 'HIV' patients.If you look at the AZT container you will notice that it has the manadatory skull and bones signalling 'danger'.It is written danger in six languages!!Why then are our people fed this thing???.As for beetroot and garlic, he merely meant that Africa's disease source is malnutrition,lets go back to proper nutrition.You comment was quite intelligent.Please do more research on HIV/AIDS and AZT.Would love to hear your take.

      Evaline - 2012-03-18 18:54

      @ Hugo "If you look at the AZT container you will notice that it has the manadatory skull and bones signalling 'danger" - The same is true of certain chemotherapy drugs. This is also the case with many current and highly effective antiretroviral drugs. While they produce less side effects than AZT and other early HIV drugs of the 1990s, they are still highly toxic. Yes, AZT was initially used as a cancer drug. This was because during the 1970s there was the theory in the scientific community that cancers were caused by retroviruses, as was the case with the majority of cancers found in birds. Because, AZT is a nucleoside analog reverse-transcriptase inhibitor, which inhibits reverse transcriptase, the enzyme that retroviruses use to replicate themselves, it was believed that it could be used to halt the progression of cancers. The reason AZT was discarded as a cancer drug is because studies later revealed that unlike avian cancers, the majority of human cancers were not cause by viruses and of those that were, the viruses were not known to be retroviruses. The reason AZT is used in HIV patients is because HIV is a retrovirus, whose progression can be altered by inhibiting the enzyme reverse transcriptase, which AZT does. I may be wrong but you give the impression the use of AZT in HIV patients is some ploy by pharmaceutical companies to force the use of an outdated, ineffective cancer drug on HIV patients, which is definitely not the case

      Smell - 2012-03-18 19:54

      Hugo, Evaline answered your question well, Mr. Mbeki's problem was that he took advice from a conspiracy theorizing crackpot, Matthias Rath, rather than the mainstream medical profession. And that his catastrophically incompetent Health Minister, the late Manto Msimang, went along with it. Matthias Rath even denied that AIDS was caused by HIV infection. Thanks to the mainstream medical profession (the profession that has eradicated some serious viral diseases like small-pox), HIV has now been transformed from a mass killer to a chronic disease when taking anti-retrovirals. At that point AZT, despite potential side-effects, was the only treatment option. The "side-effect" of HIV infection without using antiretrovirals is almost certainly a horrible death, with or without garlic and beetroot. It is a leaders obligation to take advice from real experts when making decisions directly affecting the survival of citizens.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:02

      “Trevor Jones, director general of the Association of British Pharmaceutical Industries...remembers the dramatic identification of the virus that causes AIDS...‘We weren’t looking for AIDS drugs, we were looking for compounds that would hit the DNA of bacteria, and we had made hundreds of these compounds. When Luc Montagnier and Robert Gallo discovered that AIDS was due to this virus, we just opened up our store cupboards and said: these should work, because they will hit the RNA of the virus. And they did,’ he said. ‘Since DNA is a ubiquitous part of life, compounds that act against it can potentially stop life forms like bacteria, like viruses, like humans. Of course, they can cause cancer as well, so balancing the risks is an essential part of the fascination.’ They settled on an anti cancer drug which had proved too toxic to use against cancer: it was AZT. It is now part of the cocktail of treatments that has changed life utterly for huge numbers of HIV positive people in the US and Europe. [So, AZT was too toxic for short term use as chemotherapy, but perfectly acceptable for long term use against HIV!] ” After all, HIV is present in only 1 of every 10,000 T-cells, which are vital to the immune system; but AZT kills them all

      Evaline - 2012-03-18 20:41

      @Hugo The reason AZT was considered "too toxic" for use in cancer patients was that AZT DOES NOT target the UNDERLYING CAUSE of cancer (because cancers in humans are not caused by retroviruses) or have any effect on the progression of the disease and therefore has no use or even benefits that could outweigh the severe side effects. In HIV infection, however, AZT does target the underlying cause, which is the retrovirus HIV by disrupting its ability to replicate by inhibiting the enzyme reverse transcriptase. While it may cause horrific side effects, it most certainly halts the progression of HIV. You should also consider that in the early 1990s, when AZT was first used in HIV patients, there were already numerous chemotherapy drugs available that were effective in treating cancer (and even alternative treatments to chemotherapy, such as radiation), giving cancer researchers and patients the "luxury" to discontinue use of AZT as a cancer drug. HIV patients, on the other hand, were not as fortunate as HIV research was in its early days and AZT and other early antiretroviral drugs were the only EFFECTIVE treatment for HIV at that time.

      Smell - 2012-03-19 05:49

      Mr. Mbeki's pied piper, Matthias Rath, has some very unusual ideas which seem to border on the insane. He apparently claims that the pharmaceutical industry "controls" (not just influence) world politics. He has linked the pharmaceutical industry to starting the 2nd World War, 9/11 and the Iraq War “to divert attention from” what Rath considers “the failures of drug companies”. Now I do not believe large companies are forces for good (they want to make as large a profit as possible ), but linking the pharmaceutical industry to the mentioned events seems absurd. I think it is reasonable to rather assume that Nazi ideology and aggression precipitated WW2, religious extremism and chronic Middle East issues precipitated 9/11, and access to oil and a genuine desire to instill democracy in the Islamic world to counteract fundamentalism had much to do with the Iraq invasion. Mr. Rath also blames the pharmaceutical industry for starting Apartheid with the help of former Nazi officials “as part of a global conspiracy to conquer and control the entire African continent." That could perhaps be a good plot for the next James Bond movie, but really, there are way more plausible alternative theories than that. However, I am suspicious that it is this very political fabrication that seduced Mr. Mbeki in following the wrong advice, resulting in the preventable deaths of hundreds of thousands of South Africans. And I have yet to hear Mbeki apologize to the families of the victims.

      Evaline - 2012-03-19 05:59

      @Smell I agree.

      Martin - 2012-03-19 07:13

      All these so called leaders can do is talk, condem this and that, incite violence, yada yada, but they cannot create any action at all besides a strike.

      Janice - 2012-03-19 07:38

      No wonder the whacko got fired!!!!!!!

      Phuti - 2012-03-19 07:53

      I'm glad that the man clearly identified himself clearly unlike the current President whose motto is no known clearly.

      Hayden - 2012-03-19 10:09

      Mr Mbeki, i suggest you start with our own YOUTH LEAGUE.

      Kraken - 2012-03-19 10:30

      Most ANCYL members are yearning for a "struggle" or "revolution" because they missed out on the actual struggle for apartheid. They were brought up and raised with this attitude and mentality. I have no idea what it will take for them to snap back to reality, but someone needs to put them in their place.

  • Lyndatjie - 2012-03-17 18:24

    In the hands of the intelligent this means to CHALLENGE the older generation in a respectful manner... in the hands of Julius Malema the Moron this means to BULLDOZE in and grab without guidance. Thabo Thabo Thabo... chose your words wisely - you are not only speaking to the intelligent youth of today - you are also speaking to the mentally challenged. Ai!

  • boltonbarry - 2012-03-17 18:25

    Do I detect a little sour apple moment from Mr Beetroot and Potatoes

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 18:49

      who is that?

      colin.dovey - 2012-03-17 19:57

      1. Beetroot = Aids/HIV denialist = Thabo Mbeki 2. Potatoes = His sidekick, national police commissioner Jackie Selebi, would not sanction any crime prevention initiative because he did not want photos of wanted people printed in The Criminal Record, as it would bring too much emphasis to crime levels. Obviass?

      Paul - 2012-03-17 20:00

      It's definitely not Johnny Porra from the cafe on the corner...

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:24

      Paul lol Xavier- do some research on HIV/AIDS

  • Trevor - 2012-03-17 18:31

    Thabo is just doing to Zuma what Zuma did to him, inciting the Youth to get him back to power..."African Leaders" are so predictable you can see the crap LONG before it arrives...pity their voters are to blind and stupid to realise they being used time n time easy to control/manipulate you.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 18:49

      No he is not. He was addressing youth in Kenya.and no,he doesn't want to return to power,the constitution does not permit

      Nyaziwe - 2012-03-17 19:48

      Go and control DA succession my foot!!!

      Thando - 2012-03-17 20:29

      Trevor if Thabo wanted to do that he would have done it long ago, i honestly dont think he would like to come back to power as Zuma & co. mesmerized everything!

      Jacqui - 2012-03-18 12:14

      Hugo, when Zuma is finished with the constitution, it won't exist anymore.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 12:44

      What do you mean by Zuma being finished with the constitution? do you know that these constitution is considered progrssive because it can be changed with the times and that it has been changed 16 times already.

      Christian - 2012-03-18 17:04

      That's why some people questions the issue of having multiparty democracy with one person one vote in Africa. Ask some guys in rural areas why they voted for this or that and candidate, they will say coz my husband told me to or coz the candidate gave T-shirts and booze. What a pity!

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 18:35

      That's why some people questions the issue of having multiparty democracy with one person one vote in Africa. Ask some guys in rural areas why they voted for this or that and candidate, they will say coz my husband told me to or coz the candidate gave T-shirts and booze. What a pity! the above statement ladies and gentlemen is taken striaght out of the apartheid song book do these parrots ever have some original thought other than 'blacks cant govern,shouldn't vote,yada yuck yuck'?

      ThandaMzansi - 2012-03-19 12:17

      Hugo, the constitution can be ammended, that is true. But the changes our government want to make are NOT in favour of the people of South Africa - they are in their OWN favour. The ANC, as an organisation, is the rat on the sinking ship. They chewed the holes in the hull themselves, but instead of jumping ship, they want to stay as long as possible, so they can eat all the food, and poop in the drinking water too. Eish.

  • eddiebant - 2012-03-17 18:37

    Can see he is busy stirring.Trying to get the youth against Zuma and the present authority.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 18:48

      he was in Kenya FFS ,South Africa isn't the only country on the continent and Zuma is not the only leader,eish some people are thick

      ArchAngel - 2012-03-17 19:42

      @Hugo: since WHEN did tippling thabo care a fig about the constitution??

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:29

      Archangel Mbeki worked tirelessly for the democratization of this country.The constitution is the heartbeat of this democracy.So by taking office he took an oath to safeguard and uphold among other things the constitution on which this Republic is founded.In a nutshell,since 1996.

      Francois - 2012-03-17 22:53

      Sorry, Hugo, Mbeki only promised to uphold the Constitution when he became president in 1999. Cyril Ramaphosa was the ANC's man for writing the constitution. Mbeki speaks with two tongues: He calls for self determination, but when the Zimbaweans vote out Bob, he, Mbeki, prolongs Bob's stay by doing nothing on the 2002 and 2008 elections, but to declare the fair and free. If they were, can we please have the Khampepe report? He calls for human rights, but when that is sacrificed in the Ivory Coast and Lybia, he calls for Africa to determine its own solutions, bugger the human rights! He makes the "I am African" speech, but when other black people are killed in SA, he does not call it xenophobia, because no whites were killed, but then again the freedom charter says that South Africa belongs to black and white. He may have promised to keep up the constitution, but he did not. He is by doing nothing a mass murderer of the poor HIV positive, a mass murderer of MDC supporters, a squanderer of money, the source of bad education and he calls himself a leader? Please tell those kids in Kenya to rather listen to Idi Amin speeches, at least we knew that his yes was his yes.

      Peter - 2012-03-18 08:20

      Agree eddie, its so clear yet some people refuse to see it.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 08:48

      Francois,bull! what was Mbeki to do in Zim,is he the god of Africa??why are you people so thick!Mbeki was in charge of SA not Zim,cannot blame Zim's woes on Mbeki you idiot.Madbob and only he should take the flack.If you find two guys fighting and you try to separate them and fail,should we blame you if one of them is injured?You dont understand diplomacy do you?do you know that Mandela did the same thing with Mswati in the mid 90s?The end is what is important not the means.What was Thabo to do,take his buddied and invade Zim with knobkerries?do you knoe that a millitary effort costs cash and stalls economic activity.Do you know that Nato forces destroyed some top class infrastructure including a $30 billion dollar man-made river project(the piping system),isn't that against human rights,how are the libyans supposed to farm now considering that Libya is effectively a desert???Do you know why Mbeki was opposed to ARVs?or you are just commenting because its free??do you know that AZT was discarded as a cancer drug because of it being a DNA terminator and therfore terminator of life.Dont be dumb francois,read ! dont just swallow what your stupid media gives you! AZT is DANGEROUS!!Those who are taking it will DIE.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 08:50

      I am not going to respond to the rest of your garbage,get a crash course on African Politics and diplomacy.News 24 ,M&G dont count as sources.

      Francois - 2012-03-18 19:05

      Hugo, if ARVs were so bad, why did you not march against the TAC? Why did the Constitutional court order government to make it available? What was Mbeki to do in Zim? Certainly he could have done more than what John Vorster did to force Ian Smith to the negotiation table? He could at least have said that the election was not free and fair. He could have acted for the assets of South Africans in Zim and not let it go down the drain. What exactly is a good end according to you in Zim? How many innocent people must die at the hands of the police, army of hunger, before you see a happy ending and what does that happy ending look like. Please tell us, because those who are dying should not have done it in vain. And I did not expect military intervention in Zim, because as you said, we would have been down to knobkieries, which would not have cost a lot, but the arms deal aeroplanes and helicopters and yes the submarines and frigattes would not have helped a lot. Mbeki probably was against ARVs, because it would have cost too much, but with that two fork tongued ex president, one never knows. Now that he is not head of state anymore, can he please tell us why he let innocent people get killed and raped in Zim whilst dancing with the dictator?

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 20:19

      Francois Mbeki did haul Madbob to the negotiating table,how was the unity goverment formed again? Why did the Constitutional court order government to make it available? you do realise that constitutional court is made up of legal practitioners not scientists so their stance on ARV was most likely influenced by popular opinion. He could have acted for the assets of South Africans in Zim and not let it go down the drain. South African courts have seized some Zim assets can he please tell us why he let innocent people get killed and raped in Zim whilst dancing with the dictator? Again,People were killed by mad one,Mbeki was trying to broker peace,the senile idiot stuck to his guns.btw Zuma tried to play hard ball with him,what has he achived?as i said last time,you do not understand diplomacy especially in Africa.Most of the African dictators are guilty as sin and they know it.So by being hard on them you give them no option but to cling to power because in that way they will be protected.You have to continously assure them that everything is going to be fine,dont forget that the key is to get them to step down.Aggression has never worked anywhere,look at Iraq,Afhganistan and soon Libya.Look at Syria.How about the 'standoff' between Iran and everyone else,and the threats of war and all.Egoistic politicians spit fire and threaten war(like Botswana pres) but achieve nothing(they triple their ratings,though).The key is not personal glory but lasting solutions.

      Francois - 2012-03-18 21:07

      Hugo, can I give you one example where agression led to lasting peace? The SA courts seized some Zim assets not on the hand of Mbeki, but at the hand of private litigation. The guarantee of SA citizen protection of assets in other countries was also a court order. Then if you think that the Concourt judges are influenced by public opinion, they should not be there. In court both sides are given a chance to state their case, thus government (the one led by Mbeki) could have stated its case and based on those facts the Concourt ruled against government. Why did Mbeki form a GNU in Zim when the MDC clearly won the election and the presidential election was a farce. Mbeki could have switched off Zim's power. He could have had Bob arrested in SA. There was a lot he could do, but he played with Mad Bob. The blood of those who died in Zim will also be on Mbeki's hands. Then I don't know what Zuma archived - I don't know if he has anything to archive. Oh - did you perhaps mean "achieve"? At present it seems, at least, as if the election will not happen this year. You have every right to love Mbeki and to support him, remember he is the one that gave us Zuma as president and he is the one that, when he had all the power, gave SA the worst possible education system in Africa.

      Francois - 2012-03-18 22:50

      Hugo, another one: What is the lasting solution that will be good enough that people had to sacrifice the lives for it again? The thousands in the Rhodesian war, the approx 22, 000 in the Matabele land slaughtering, the thousands now? Sure that lasting solution must be something very good - can you please give us a glimpse of it and describe it? And SBTW, what did Mbeki do before 1996, since you, Hugo, in your wiseness said that he started to care about the constitution in 1996 only?

      Hugo - 2012-03-19 07:23

      Francois you are very selfish. if you believe in aggression,then RSA should have had a war pre 94 to see who the winner would be,neh? familiarize yourself with diplomacy.

      Hugo - 2012-03-19 08:06

      Francois yours is the typical white South African mentality.Is it because WHITES lost property in Zim,that you call for war.Why not apply the same here where BLACK people were forced out of their propety(land act of 1913).Do you think SA should have had a war,have all succesive apartheid presidents arrested considering that the UN classed apartheid as a crime against humanity? Had the international community declared war on apartheid SA,do you think we would be here?Why are you so selfish.Mandela is loved by whites because he assured them that there would be no aggression and basically laid to rest all black people's quests for justice.why was it ok when Mandela did in SA,but bad when Mbeki did in Zim.Let me tell you something Francois,black people's interests matter in this continent.Remove your blinkers and see that RSA is a product of diplomacy.

      Anthony - 2012-03-19 08:35

      @Hugo, well, yours is certainly not the mentality of most Black Africans !! Go and explain your sentiments re Zimbabwe, to the MILLIONS of Zimbabweans, who escaped the madness and tyranny of Mugabe. There is no country in the world, where so many had to run away from their own country. Go and explain your sentiments, to the thousand of Zimbabwean mothers, who had to leave their own children in care of relatives, than crawled under barbed wire to get into SA, so to earn some money, to keep themselves and theuR loved ones at home, ALIVE !!! You only want to confuse the issue, but in reality you just want to support Thabo Mbeki, who is directly responsible for so much suffering under Black Africans!!!!!

      Merven - 2012-03-19 09:14

      Mandela did not assured whites that there would be no aggression, CODESSA did. You guys are busy with aggression towards whites and have been for the past 17 years, farm attacks are a good example.

      Hugo - 2012-03-19 15:33

      21Century the situation you describe i.e en masse migration to SA from Zim would have been exacerbated by 1)millitary effort 2) economic sanctions.That leaves us with what options exactly?

      Francois - 2012-03-19 16:19

      Then Hugo onto your question for Africas21stcentury, apologies if I spelt the name wrong. Your argument has constantly be that we need to keep the diplomacy up otherwise it would have been much worse. I personally think that diplomacy is better as well, but you cannot have that at the hand of keeping a dictator in place. SA could have had sanctions against Bob himself. How about SA flexing its muscles at SADC and say that the next election will be under the supervision of the SA Army? How about SA laying a charge against Mugabe at the Hague? How about saying publicly that what he does is wrong? For Mbeki to have said that there is nothing wrong in Zim is equal to saying your mother is a virgin. If Mbeki was such a bright leader as you depict hom to be, he surely must have been able to find a better solution than to give Bob control of the armed forces? Or even if the deal between Bob and Tswangi was the best he could get, he, Mbeki could have publicly stated that when Bob transgresses it, that he is acting outside the accord. Even better, he could have had Bob and Mnangagwa arrested in SA for crimes against humanity, but then he would have looked too much like PW Botha - thus let the poor suffer. The economic sanctions against individuals in Zim is not causing famine, it is the land distribution programme - and some more is on its way with the nationalising of mines. This will be a tragedy, but Malema will learn that it is not a solution - maybe Zim is the ANC's lab!

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-03-19 16:47

      @Hugo, there are NO sanctions against Zimbabwe. The sanctions in place, are called "targeted sanctions" which prevent for instance, this rich bich Grace, going to Harrods in London, and spend 50 000 Pounds in half an hour , buying some scarves and hand bags, with money she looted from the zimbabwean population !!!!

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-17 18:40

    I hope julius doesn't hear this

      Squeegee - 2012-03-17 19:57

      Julius wrote this...

  • braamc - 2012-03-17 18:49

    You earn it and work for it if you worth it. Voetsek your thieve

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-03-17 18:55

    Now I can see where everything comes from. Someone is identifying a loophole to make a political comeback.

      Ben - 2012-03-17 20:06

      His brother has brains, he should shut up and let his brother speak.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:33

      Thabo M Mbeki has a masters in economics obtained at Sussex University.He is internationally acknowledged as the man who resored Africa's authority somewhat,in the global set up.Locally he worked an economy that was contracting to an all time high of 7% round 04/05.He is South Africa 's best perfoming Pres, followed closely by Jan Smuts.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-19 03:48

      @hugo 1stly, he supported dictators in Africa. Secondly, his economic growth period did not result in job creation. Just a few BEE people. 3rdly, Mugabe is even more educated and look at what he does. I refuted your argument in just 4 sentences. Surely you should think twice about worshiping this guy.

      Hugo - 2012-03-19 07:37

      I dont worship TM. I just think he was a great african pres.Dont thump your chest in victory just yet johncarlos(by saying you refuted my claim in four sentences)because your understanding of diplomatic work is suspect. let me briefly break it down for you. Dictators know that in a fair and just world they would have to face the the firing squad.That leaves them with two options:Cling to power and use all state resources to prolong their stay preferably until death.Also note that for some funky reason these dictators always have more than a handful of radical supporters,so killing him would turn him into a martyr.These bunch would cause trouble for everyone.The only option that will result in long lasting peace is assuring all the wrong doers that they will be given immunity from prosecution and that their interests would be considered. a good example is SOUTH AFRICA. The apartheid regime had arguably one of the most able defence forces in the world.The ANC MK would have stood no chance.Perhaps an alliance between MK,GDE and Cuba would have had some effect but where would our infrastructure had been.Diplomacy in this case proved the only viable option, no war,no expenses,bunch of criminals sitting pretty,all of them with amnesty and their wealth.Hell, some black intellectuls believe the ANC let down black peoplebut what could they have done in those circumstances.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-19 11:40

      "The only option that will result in long lasting peace is assuring all the wrong doers that they will be given immunity from prosecution and that their interests would be considered." Unless they are economically dependent on you. Mbeki had a better bargaining chip in Zim than most other countries, but chose to be soft on his friend. He's the same guy who said there was no crisis in Zim.

      Francois - 2012-03-19 18:50

      Hugo, just enlighten us on why you think Mbeki was better than Jan Smuts? Please.

  • Siviwe - 2012-03-17 18:59

    Poeple who comment in this article are a little retarded. Dont bother with the context and no noting about the youth charter and what TM was referring to ? TM has nothing to prove to SA because history has vindicated him. Africa is bigger than SA and TM was talking to African youth forum ; some nicompoops here just dont get it. African youth is docile - yet they are expected to assume leadership in the near future.TM is addressing that issue - morons

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 19:31

      @ Siviwe As an intellectual, according to some, Mbeki should know better. He should have drawn a distinction between the youth as per the youth charter and the youth as per the current ANCYL. He could easily have hinted at some kind of distinction. Like "revolution" but tempered with some...whatever is suitable. Now think about it, like the rest of the morons seem to have already managed to do. Why would Thabo Mbeki suddenly highlight the term "revolution", not only in its linguistic terms but as an active encouragement. Where in the youth charter is "revolution" the term of endearment? I have not read the youth charter you refer to, but you cleary have. So, enlighten the morons out here. Thabo is stirring!

      Gregory Jurgens - 2012-03-17 19:55

      Well said Siviwe. You are in fact correct.

      Squeegee - 2012-03-17 19:59

      "History has vindicated him.." Really? The world thinks he's an idiot who denied HIV and cause the deaths of countless thousands by denying them treatment. History will indict him for genocide.

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 20:01

      He is in fact wrong.

      Paul - 2012-03-17 20:03

      Yeah, just a pity about his (Siviwe's) grammar and spelling. Makes him look like a moron.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:39

      Squeege below is an extract from wiki(therefor not ANC propaganda) Mbeki has been a notably powerful figure in African politics, positioning South Africa as a regional power broker and also promoting the idea that African political conflicts should be solved by Africans. He headed the formation of both the New Partnership for Africa's Development (NEPAD) and the African Union (AU) and has played influential roles in brokering peace deals in Rwanda, Burundi, Ivory Coast and the Democratic Republic of Congo. He has also tried to popularise the concept of an African Renaissance. He sees African dependence on aid and foreign intervention as a major barrier to the continent's being taken seriously in the world of economics and politics, and sees structures like NEPAD and the AU as part of a process in which Africa solves its own problems without relying on outside assistance. [edit]Economic policies The CIA World Factbook says: "South African economic policy is fiscally conservative, but pragmatic, focusing on targeting inflation and liberalising trade as means to increase job growth and household income."[19] Mbeki, as an ANC insider and while president, was a major force behind the continued neoliberal structure of the South African economy. it doesnt say anywhere that he is considered an Idiot.

  • Julie - 2012-03-17 19:07

    Thabo is stirring.....

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:40

      he is stirring nothing.TM has nothing to prove to anyone.

  • Bill - 2012-03-17 19:15

    It was the youth that cost him his job as President of South Africa.................

      Kabelo Thage - 2012-03-18 02:04

      So what? That dosen't make his statement invalid. Getting rid of Mbeki by the youth was a good thing, and I am sure that his statement acknowdges this. The leaders of his era are out of touch with what's happening now, they are not using the technologies of today to better the life's of Africa's citizens.

  • ArchAngel - 2012-03-17 19:40

    Dangerous effing stuff from Tippling Thabo!! Maybe, just maybe, he is the spark that ignites the tinder-box. Dangerous indeed. Need to stock up on .223 and 12g on Monday!

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:42

      you are probably one of those that stocked on canned food pre 94 in anticipation of a race war!South Africa is a stable democracy and your wish of seeing it become like the rest of the continent will become just that ,a wish!!!

      ArchAngel - 2012-03-18 09:49

      @Hugo: I was not in SA at that time with a *victim* mindset. If I chose to do so, my family and I can return to Ireland, taking our skills and our resources with us. We chose not to do so, as we have offered up too much of ourselves to see this country handed over to the likes of JuliArseMalEnema without a fight. You talk about a race war, well you have only to open your eyes to see that there is one being waged right now in South Africa, one that is condoned and sanctioned by the very legislation you seem so proud of. You talk of Mbeki as though he is your personal saviour, but I have news for you, he has not only feet but legs and torso of clay as well. I have had the misfortune of socializing with the man on occasion and his drinking habits might explain his warped view of the world around him. One thing you should never forget, he is BITTERLY ANGRY for what was done to him by PSH and the *yoof-leak* at Polokwane and will do what he can to regain that position of headman in the kraal. He was never an upholder of constitutional values, ever, UNLESS it served to make Thabo, the hero of Hugo, look good. Rose' tinted lenses will ensure you do not see the sharpened blade until your bleed. You are a sheep.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 10:22

      Archangel nonsense!If you socialized with TM why dont you use your real name so that we can verify your claim.TM is a public figure you know.Where and when did you socialize with the man.Give us the name of event,place,date. P.S you are not the only one with skills YOU are the sheep.

  • louisdiemasjien - 2012-03-17 19:46

    We are from Africa, we are not like Africa. No one gives a flying **ck!! Lets forget of the useless continent and focus on making South Africa better. I think I speak for all when I say that we are getting tired of constantly being reminded how sorry we should feel for being better off than the rest of the continent. TM please repeat after me S-O-U-T-H-A-F-R-I-C-A

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:46

      We, true Africans have the interests of this continent at heart.The reason is simple: we dont have euro passports.So if this continent sinks it sinks with us.We are keenly aware that some use Africa 's predicaments as an affirmation of their superiority.Thank God we have true Africans among us.This is our motherland,we will do all we can to improve it,while the scoffers scoff at our attempts to do so nakupenda Africa

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 00:34

      @ Hugo The days of true this and true that are over. The Chinese are true... The world has changed. Africa is part of the rest of the planet and its inhabitants are part of the rest of humanity. Never that it was otherwise. But the reality is now reminding us of the simple truth. No more exclusivity based on subjective wishful thinking.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 08:54

      I was respondind to the one who said Mbeki should ignore Africa and concentrate on SA.

      ArchAngel - 2012-03-18 10:00

      @Hugo: *true africans?* You make me (and the world) laugh at that when I see advertisements for Government posts categorized as follows: Females: African, Colored, Indian, White. Males: African, Colored, Indian, (whites need not apply) As far as not having *euro passports* please speak for yourself however, you should fall on your knees and give thanks for those that do actually have South Africa's interests at heart, to such an extent that we shed our blood to ensure that it fulfilled it's potential. Unfortunately there are those in the cANCer that care not a fig for it's potential but rather for how they can benefit themselves and their tribes. Crime is up. EDUKASHUN is down. Unemployment is up. Health services is down. Corruption is up. Government efficiency is down. Should I continue? You are a sheep.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 10:23

      I read as far as "HUGO"

      Michael - 2012-03-18 10:37

      louisdiemasjien. have you ever been out of SA yu dam fak

      Mark - 2012-03-18 11:14

      @ Hugo - you are a real d00s

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 11:38

      Mark its not like I care

      Johann - 2012-03-18 19:08

      Baas die masjien hy loop baas maak dood daai machiene!!!

  • Buhle - 2012-03-17 19:58

    Iyho please Thabo please ne, I just hope you not promoting Malema please Thabo... Come Monday, I can just see Malema wearing a T-shirt with Thabo Mbeki on it saying WE ALWAYS LOVED THABO.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:47


  • Jenny - 2012-03-17 20:32

    I wonder how he would have liked it if someone in his own party had started talking about staging a revolution against him when he was still president. He wants to see Zuma, the ANC and SA fail - sour grapes. He may be an intellectual, but how intelligent is he really? There's a difference between the two.

      Thando - 2012-03-18 12:55

      Jenny ANC is not SA, and as for ANC failing i wonder how long is it gonna take you to see that it didn`t just fail but it failed every South African irrespective of colour because i know we South Africans when things dont favor us we run to racial issues and blame apartheid and i just wonder for how long are we going to be that naive!

      Tony - 2012-03-18 15:37

      Thabo (not Mbeki), I agree with you. Politicians should stop playing the man and play the ball. Address the issues at hand rather than jostle for position. Typical of African leaders Mbeki just does not want to let go. At his age he should be mentoring new leaders in the art of leading. However, he is going around playing childish ANC politics.

  • Sean - 2012-03-17 20:40

    Doesnt this constitute Dissent and incitement?

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:54

      read the article again.

  • Hermann - 2012-03-17 20:46

    Ag siestog, does he really think he is going to break the old weird power hungry men's tradition of power. Thabo I agree with your thinking, but Bra .... but, but ?

  • Mart - 2012-03-17 20:48

    This very statement is the crux of every single thing that is challenging peace, stability and economic freedom in the world today......"Mbeki who was addressing the Youth 21 global leadership forum in Nairobi, Kenya said two thirds of the continent's population was the youth and that in 2045 they would be the leaders responsible for the two billion projected continental population." ANALOGY : The sooner the youth realise that this squad of 30 must be whittled down to a team of 15 players of whom only 11 can take the field at any one time, the sooner we will get progress in Africa. Bottom line is this...the biggest challenge facing the youth is the number of other youth vying and competing for their spot on the team....they have to do what is necessary to reduce by half, the projected 2 billion continental population. Changing the playing field or the number of players in a team is the math, not all 30 in the squad can get quality playtime and to try and achieve this will only weaken the whole. Less people = more jobs and a better quality of life. Quite simply...we are breeding trouble. Witness a queue of 4000 youths wanting to apply for 1 of 200 positions/jobs advertised....that right there should tell us the story. Also keep your eyes peeled for the huge numbers of busses loaded with Chinese 'tourists' in our cities.....don't be too surprised if it turns out to be a new labour force sussing out the scene and plotting their colonisation of Africa.

      Bokkie - 2012-03-19 12:50

      Ja, also saw a chinese tour on Pretoria...thought the same...they're checking out where to come set up shop!

  • Dave - 2012-03-17 20:52

    He is a first class idiot. There is a reason why you must be 18 yrs old for a driver’s license and 21 to sign documents and contracts. All these laws are because as young people we have no experience, too emotional, easily influenced, hot headed and most of us very selfish. It’s only with age and having children you start to think of others and what’s best to benefit them even if it’s not going to benefit you per say. Maybe he needs to go and see what the children soldiers get up to in Africa ……To date he’s comment is at the top of all time stupid statements ever made on the continent.

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 21:55

      second best to the one above

      Ndumiso Gagayi - 2012-03-18 04:46

      Dave you are a world class idiot!! President Mbeki is talking about the youth not teenagers!!!

  • Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-03-17 20:56

    b4 u continue saying anything bring back all the people u caused their death including youth of this country by denying aids epidemic!!!

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 22:01

      Mbeki 's gripe was the use of AZT in ARVs considering that AZT goes straight for the bone marrow.Also AZT is known as DNA terminator,that is it destroys the life of viruses,bacteria ... and humans. " So, AZT was too toxic for short term use as chemotherapy, but perfectly acceptable for long term use against HIV! Trevor Jones, director general of the Association of British Pharmaceutical Industries.

  • Riette Breytenbach de Kock - 2012-03-17 21:03

    Eish, Mr Mbeki, have you now lost your Mbrainki?

  • Pat - 2012-03-17 21:19

    If not mistaken it was the bloody youth that wanted him OUT!!!!

  • MikeFraser - 2012-03-17 21:21

    We seem to have short memories. Thabo Mbeki is right. It is only when the youth of 1976 took to the streets of South Africa that the momentum for change was intensified. Before that there was a huge vacuum of inactivity in the efforts of liberation organisations to make the apartheid regime take notice of the seriousness of the situation at the time.

      Thabo Mabotsa - 2012-03-17 21:58

      As the youth we must hold our government accountable , put pressure on it to ensure that those unfortunate unemployed youths are given opportunities as well , it is time we take our place , and make no excuses for our desire to improve the lives of youth and south africans in general , Aluta Continua

      Hugo - 2012-03-17 22:02

      thank you.

      Michael McN - 2012-03-17 22:10

      By George I think you've got it!

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 00:48

      One can argue about the consequences of the youth uprising of 1976 (they were very limited by all measurements) but the fact is that no matter how hard you now raise yourself you will NOT get a job or income for your efforts. The solution lies in what the ANC is planning: a massive industrialization program but with the realization that the talents of ALL South Africans be used without racial discrimination and that we have honesty in the process. It will not be easy but that and really hard work to eliminate the useless and lazy from ALL of our service providers will just have to follow. How? Anybody with a common sense and some honesty will be able to come up with practical suggestions.

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 00:50

      Correction: No matter how much you now take part in uprisings you will not get a job or an income out of it...

      Emil - 2012-03-18 23:02

      I agree with you Thabo, but the ANC must realise that giving land to unproductive farmers and increasing BEE targets and penalties, will not uplift the overwhelming majority and will not encourage foreign investment that is so desperately needed to create jobs, and a fast growing aconomy which will enable us to spend more on improving our pathetic basic education system.

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-03-17 22:05

    The projected continent population is 2 billion? From a man who thinks Aids doesn't exist, this disease is killing the youth off.

  • Phil Bowes - 2012-03-17 22:26

    Its not about young or old but about values and leadership ethics. Lead in service of others and not self.

      Thabo Mabotsa - 2012-03-17 23:13

      Big ups phil , I agree

  • John - 2012-03-17 22:27

    If only they would realize that for good leadership you need good education... not a bunch of rebels... Africa has been destroyed and torn apart by rebel groups throughout its history

  • Thandinkosi - 2012-03-17 22:38

    The issue here is to ensure that dictators are not allowed to overstay their welcome. Many a dictators still think that they are better leaders and that they are justified to plunder the resources of their countries. I do not think the issue is about SA and ANC but africa's leaders that tend to equate leadership with Kingdom , where one is gauranteed power for life. A number of commentators are just scared of the term " revolt" . Let's hopes this is not interpreted literally by the youth including SA. How do you justify a president who has been in power for over 30 year presiding over an economy that is in decline , half the population displaced , refugees, starving and still hold his head high as leader. SA must ensure that does not happen , we therefore need a vigilant youth in the knowledge that they are the future leaders. Mbeki is therefore correct to sound these warnings otherwise our Sub-Saharan Africa will delay taking it place as developing economy. Our youth within the ruling part requested a generational mix in leadership , and after a resistance , they got their wish , which augers well for future leadership. We are seeing youth comming up in other spheres of leadership. Can we say the same across the continent ? Why are some worried that this may be construed to favour Malima ? He ( Thabo Mbeki) , himself was a victim of youth revolt , exploited at the right time by those who wanted power today, lest the landscape change tomorrow.

      Peter - 2012-03-18 08:23

      Our youth is destructive though. I have yet to hear or see something constructive coming from them. Old and young, the ANC is going to go the same direction as the rest of Africa. Power obsessed, at any cost, no interest in governing and looking after the people.

  • brainbowgold - 2012-03-17 22:54

    Herewith concrete evidence that he suffers from repeated garlic & beetroot dementia, however healthy it may seem...

  • CoronaSherona - 2012-03-17 23:13

    Dumb and Dumber. I know it is hard to tell who's playing whom but they are interchangeable puppets on the ANC's game show of ' Woo wahns to bi eh meeleonear'. A house divided cannot stand and the ANC is going to crumble into oblivion. It is however a shame that the fight Madiba fought for is not what these muppets are. Thabo, build a bridge and get over it (all the way to your mate Mugabe's place) and Mal-eh-ma, time to pack up your bat and ball because you are GAME OVER.

  • Dave - 2012-03-18 01:58

    @ Hugo, You sound like you are full of piss and vinegar…….But please by all means go ahead and prove all those people wrong that say Africans can’t run a country. In fact I beg you to do so, as I for one have also invested everything I have in SA and want nothing more than to see it succeed. Black South Africans have been handed a beautiful first world country on a silver tray, now what are they going to do with it? Run it into the ground like every other country in Africa, or show that they can do the job. Before you jump onto your high horse and brand me as a racist, look at the evidence….look at African countries, because I have and that’s where I get my opinion from. Evidence, if I could see different I would change my view.

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 08:57


  • Ndumiso Gagayi - 2012-03-18 05:03

    Tha ANC was not effective against appartheid until the youth of Mandela,Thambo,Sisulu,Gorven,etc decided to take the lead and the struggle in SA was never the same. For things to change the youth must take its place and obviously I mean the educated youth!!

      Emil - 2012-03-18 23:10

      I agree, Thando- Verwoerd and Malan were a highly educated men too, but they were disasters.Mbeki and Mugabe were highly educated and they too will not be remembered as leaders who uplifted their people. I think what we need is youth that are willing to accept that this county's has so much potential if we start celebrating our diversity and focus on building the future instead of trying to correct "past imbalences".Wealth created in the past by a small minority will not be enough to create jobs and produce food for the future.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-19 04:06

      Agree. Education, intelligence and the right intentions. Sell the right idea to the uneducated masses, not Malema-style tenderpreneur and destruction.

  • Johann - 2012-03-18 05:37

    Well typical ,not that the youth should educate and get experience but rebel against the old oder the word struggle and empower figure strongly in his speech , not enable yourself to be able to reach and make something of your lives nothing of making and effort ,in other words hard work to reach those goals. Mr Mbeki you are no leader at al you prevoke the youth to rebellion and what goes with it,no wonder you were such a sorry statesman who left a sad legasey behind .a Blatand criminal like Celebe as com of police and countles other ecsamples ,do yourself a favor shut f!!k up

  • Peter - 2012-03-18 08:19

    An opportunity to get revenge on Zuma. Zuma used the "youth" to get into power, now the "youth" will probably get rid of him. There are no morals in these so called "leaders", that is Africa's problem - they have 'leaders" who are self obsessed, they feel nothing for their people. And the youth are destructive, you never hear anything constructive from them. They have such poor role models. We're screwed really.

  • Adrian - 2012-03-18 08:23

    Thabo Mbeki has somehow lost the plot. Shame he's getting old!

  • Glyn - 2012-03-18 09:17

    Just have fewer children - problems gone! Have as many children as you can afford.

  • Teboho N Shelile - 2012-03-18 09:22

    Che Guevera, Partice Lumunba, Fidel Casrto, Nelson Mandela......Hector Pieterson changed the face of politics young as he was through rebellion. But from my generation i see no revolutionaties but gluttons with with a 'fatty waist line'

      Thando - 2012-03-18 13:27

      Teboho, Hector was just one in the masses not the one leading, read your history!

      Rob - 2012-03-18 15:33

      Agree with you, Thando. It was the person who shot Hector who changed the face of politics.

  • Vince.York - 2012-03-18 09:22

    Thabo Mbeki - have you ever done anything to stop Joseph Kony and a multitude of others of same ilk who incidentally treated even YOU shabbily here in SA, just as Kony has destabilised the continent and central African youth? Surely you know of a 'colleague' that shafted you by using and abusing our SA youth concentrating on POWER rather than the slow steady education and upliftment of the youth and TOOK YOU BY THE SCRUFF OF THE NECK & TURFED YOU OUT? For all that you do NOT support me and my sector of our citizenry - the fact that the manner in which the current encumbent has been allowed to brazenly continue with contra democratic attitudes and power aggregation no different to this Kony, but only situated here at home becoming more and more dictatorial, IS UNACCEPTABLE. Maybe stopping Kony yourself, will make up for the spineless manner you allowed yourself to be treated here at home and be the start of a resurrection against the inner core dynasty's readying themselves to do a KONY on SA? KONY 2012 - YouTube

      Hugo - 2012-03-18 10:25

      Rubbish,is alcohol now being sold on Sundays?

  • Teboho N Shelile - 2012-03-18 09:23

    Che Guevera, Partice Lumunba, Fidel Casrto, Nelson Mandela......Hector Pieterson changed the face of politics young as he was through rebellion. But from my generation i see no revolutionaties but gluttons with with a 'fatty waist line'

  • Teboho N Shelile - 2012-03-18 09:24

    Che Guevera, Partice Lumunba, Fidel Casrto, Nelson Mandela......Hector Pieterson changed the face of politics young as he was through rebellion. But from my generation i see no revolutionaties but gluttons with with a 'fatty waist line'

  • Henry - 2012-03-18 09:31

    Mbeki was at a global YOUTH LEADERSHIP forum guys, the only ppl taking it out of context and empowering Malema in this article are the readers in SA. I'm glad Mbeki left Malema out of it, it wasn't a South African press conference. I don't think Mbeki needs to turn a constructive platform into a war of words. Mbeki is a misunderstood politician, the message he is delivering is actually one hundred percent correct. Malema is jus one man, not even a youth anymore. Even the youth of SA are vastly different to the my age group 30. They want to get on with life - its the older generation holding the youth back with their vengeful politics. I agree with Mbeki.

      Robi - 2012-03-18 10:52

      Spot on Henry. Munyuki, wake up and realize the importance of leadership. leadership is not about ANC factions. It is about the whole society taking front row to determine their future. We have to interrogate whether our leaders leading us the promised future or nowhere and then contribute in influencing policies direction.Through rebellion, we can produce better planners to apply both top town or bottom up approaches to a better future for everyone.

  • nsinovich - 2012-03-18 10:14

    Thabo, the little man who spoke a lot and said nothing when he was president of SA, now inciting another to help him to get to get back his old so he can do the same again. ANC, fire the ANCYL before they fire you.

  • Ogodiseng - 2012-03-18 10:27


  • Michael - 2012-03-18 10:46

    Truth Thabo! he has a point our leaders do not have our interests at heart, they are mostly corrupt and old fashioned. The African revolution will begin

      Jenny - 2012-03-18 11:17

      So it was okay for Thabo to be president, even though he wasn't a youth? Now that he's been booted out, all of a sudden the youth must lead. Read up on the history of revolutions. They are always bloody and no-one escapes without damage. It also takes the country decades to recover from a revolution. History repeats itself tragically, because humans never seem to learn.

  • Christopher - 2012-03-18 11:24

    Everyone is a "youth" at one stage of their lives...their is a right of passage before you can just take over and have to earn that right first.

  • Darra - 2012-03-18 11:37

    But of course they should ! They need to be rid of the types who think they know too much, the types who make promises (like Zim in 6 months), and have the arrogance to talk to and face the world after all the unnecessary aids deaths, and appointing embarrassing Ministers of Health, and politicians who wont disappear into the sunset!

  • Jacqui - 2012-03-18 12:11

    For someone who spend his youth in London he should keep quiet.

  • Paulo - 2012-03-18 12:48

    His words - "rebel, so to speak!"- carry certain degree of ambiguity. They shouldn't be taken at face value. Thabo Mbeki's message embolden the latent African youth's feeling that this is "our time" - the time to take action, to make sweeping changes and history for the motherland, of any level or degree. With that no one disagrees. Mbeki may be the only African leader of his generation who had the courage to bring this, controversial, message forward. He may have his "agenda", but who doesn't? Youth uprising is not the only form of rebellion; changes in attitude, behaviour, and relationship with power and leadership are significant signs of transformation. His message got us talk.

  • Sannie - 2012-03-18 13:06

    Africa for Africans. If you are not an African, just shut up.

      ArchAngel - 2012-03-18 18:05

      Define African please, Sannie.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-19 19:49

      Define African pleased Sannie pre 94. Divine. Then define African got define.

  • Johan - 2012-03-18 13:09

    Some people can only be happy when they see the world burn....

      ArchAngel - 2012-03-18 18:08

      @Thando: Like AhMadInejad :

  • errol.wagner - 2012-03-18 13:19

    I am not too certain that the youth will be any better for they have learned from their seniors so they will be just as corrupt.