Angola gives Chinese 116 visas a day

2013-01-14 21:56

Luanda - Angola granted more than 116 visas a day to Chinese citizens in the last six months of 2012, the vast majority linked to Chinese investment into the country, Angola's state news agency reported on Monday.

Angop reported a total of 21 225 visas were granted to Chinese citizens in the last six months, amid a flood of investment into the country's energy and other sectors.

The rate of visa approvals rose to almost 2, 00 a week, according to Luzia Maria Dias dos Santos, of the Angolan embassy in Beijing.

Bilateral trade in the first six months of the year totalled $22bn, making Angola the largest African trading partner for Beijing.

More than 250 000 Chinese citizens are thought to live in Angola.

  • stanton.clarke - 2013-01-14 22:04

    This is very worrying! - 2013-01-15 06:54

      Blah Blah blah.....At least the Chinese don't refer to Africans with racist names to their faces.They are generally friendly and easy to get along with.They also bring investments to Africa while the west brings war and economic sabotage.I should know ,i do business with them.The west only exploits Africa with no returns,the Chinese exploits Africa but also provide investment and jobs.The west will rather impose sanctions on Africa to the detriment of its people while the Chinese impose investments thereby creating jobs.See the difference?? Yeah big big difference. I rather they give visas to the Chinese than useless westerners who come here exploit us and insult us to our faces.

      Jo - 2013-01-15 07:05

      Say hello to Africa's new masters :)

      nibiru.sekkiejorge - 2013-01-15 07:32 Having been to China, every time you mention jacob zuma they have a good chuckle

      abner.mophethe - 2013-01-15 07:32

      @xboxs,have ever worked in a chinese shop......u just dont knwo what you talkin about,knucklehead!how many people that work for the chinese are members of a union??what of the chinese abuses that are taking place at chinese mines all over africa???friendly se ma,man

      vaatjie.vanderwatt - 2013-01-15 07:34

      90% of those are convicts they dont want or dont have space for in China. Dinkum.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 07:56

      xboxs, you are spot on. Most of these people have a major underlying resentment with the Chinese rather than using logical reasoning. China will give Africa what Africa wants and China will get what it wants too!

      Jo - 2013-01-15 08:06

      @Fidel What, like sweat shops where kids are chained to their work stations? Go research China's human rights record. You can't afford to be so naive.

      mart.botha - 2013-01-15 08:11

      Yes, this is very worrying. Local trade unions please take note.....Chinese labour is way cheaper than local labour. How long before this 'investment' by the Chinese turns into the loss of jobs for locals. The hierarchy may benefit, the povo will lose. Sure they may temporarily benefit, but this will be shortlived. Think too why dogs are being stolen and smuggled to Angola......they eat them and use the 'fur' to adorn those clothes you think is fake fur 'Made in China'.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:28

      Jo, instead of silly two faced human rights slogans. Africa needs trade, investment, good governance, better infrastructure etc.. China is a welcome breath of fresh air after years of stale air from the west. Wake up and smell the coffee!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:55

      @Mantlekilo The charge that Chinese companies prefer to ship Chinese employees (and even prisoners) to work in Africa rather than hire local African workers flies in the face of employment data. In countries like Zambia, the ratio of African to Chinese workers has exceeded 13:1 recently, and there is no evidence of Chinese prisoners working there. Ignorance, stereo types and cliches abound! Even if the Chinese merely bring their workers and don't employ Africans, those workers have to stay somewhere, buy food and goods and that money is then recycled or a proportion is recycled into the local economy. Because of the lack of social distance, more business is being done and more technology transfer is being accomplished, with less fuss. True, my Chinese boss may work me harder and pay me less than my Western boss, but he lives exactly as I do and he doesn't pay himself forty times what I earn!

  • tim.v.wyk - 2013-01-14 22:10

    And so it carries on - on to the next easy pickings where the law is still just an idea as long as the select few in power benefit...cry my beloved Africa, cry...

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 09:23

      What easy pickings. The Chinese worked hard for decades until they had accumulated enough capital to invest it in their own country. In terms of infrastructure, Africa has made enormous progress, thanks to the Chinese "barter system" where minerals are exchanged for infrastructural developments. Yes one can say the terms of trade may be detrimental to Africans(well, what price is fair if there is not a willing buyer and seller?) but at least there are new roads, bridges, schools, stadiums, reservoirs which are in Africa for the African people to use and not stashed somewhere in Swiss banks had there been no barter! What you are recommending as an alternative to the Chinese model? More of the same aid programs that have seen billions of dollars sink into Africa and disappear without a trace?

  • edwin.dinake.1 - 2013-01-14 22:12

    Investing in Africa means improving the live's of africans and if that's the chainees intention, then they are welcome.

      wehan.victor - 2013-01-14 22:46

      Do you really think they seek to improve the lives of africans? Wake up buddy. - 2013-01-15 03:25

      They are colonizing by stealth.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 07:59

      The Chinese aren't colonising anyone. They are putting their money on the table in exchange for resources, instead of taking out guns and demanding that everything be given to them for free. They are exporting their own experience of rapid development in exchange for natural resources. Africa now has a choice of who it does business with. That has to be a good thing.

  • dylan.mugabe - 2013-01-14 22:23

    Say bye bye natural resources and hello to communism. China has one of the worst labour regulations and abuses in the world.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:05

      China is about business and not spreading communism or proselytizing any form of religion or ideology. China only wants to trade with Africa, and not make us fluent in mandarin and/or make us Ph.D in Confucianism.

  • mo.ebrahim - 2013-01-14 22:37

    Not a fan of beijing

  • belnick - 2013-01-14 22:48

    Hard workers,good business people but there should be a limit!At this rate in an african country with its rich resources its quite a worry!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 09:18

      I, for one, will start getting worried when the troops start disembarking.

  • fanie.nkosi.96 - 2013-01-15 02:55

    Give them a finger and they will take the hand.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 09:19

      These general statements about Chinese people are so crass and careless that they verge on racism.

  • - 2013-01-15 02:58

    'Die Groot Trek' - Chinese version.

  • tony.dakyns - 2013-01-15 06:49

    If you travel through Africa and see the extent of Chinese influence and what they are taking it's frightening. The Chinese are colonising at an alarming rate and are raping the continent. When the West eventaully wakes up they will find China controls most of the worlds raw materials. The greatest threat to Africa is China asthey have no regard for the environment, wildlife or the people living here.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:20

      Where is the Chinese equivalent of The East India Company, The Opium Wars, The colonisation. I don't see them. China is doing trade how it should be between two willing partners of mutual benefit. When force is used as the case of European imperialism the balance of that changes and ill benefit only the senior partner. Africa is confident that China will not colonise Africa because China understands the humiliation of colonisation!

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2013-01-15 06:50

    These stats are nowhere near accurate! There are far more many times over.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:17

      Still far more less than Europeans!

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:51

      @Clinton, I meant in reference to European presence in the continent. It's quite ironic that European descendants would want to deny a presence to other foreigners.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:59

      @sduplessis You have the temerity of an imbecile when all you can do is to penn one sentence of insult!

  • abner.mophethe - 2013-01-15 07:26

    who benefits from these chinese investments?

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:17

      The Chinese have built so many roads, schools, hospitals, railroad, apartment houses, stadiums, tele-communication system, and I don't know whom these projects benefit if not African people.

  • vivien.jefferies - 2013-01-15 08:02

    Have you ever seen the Chinese, in this country employ the locals? I haven't, only ever see Chinese on their business premises...

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:52

      You don't go out too much! I live in Cape Town and there's plenty of Chinese garment and utilities shops employing locals.

  • fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 08:23

    One can't help when reading any article with China in it, that there is a sense of dread, foreboding, in the tone of "did you hear, number so and so got eaten by the flesh eating zombies as well , what are we to do"! Chinese money has the potential to undermine the international financial institutions (World bank and IMF) that have become the bane of African countries and therefore there is is nonsense about Chinese exploitation of Africa from these banking institutions and its agents in Africa.

      Eduannn - 2013-01-15 12:13

      Haha - in the entire Africa after 300 years how many Europeans remain -6 million? And you have a problem with the 'evil' West? Now in Angola alone in less than 10 years? A quarter of a million Chinese. From the report : "More than 250 000 Chinese citizens are thought to live in Angola". I don't mind at all - being outnumbered has always been the name of the game for us as European Africans. It does not bother me in the least - as you say they create much needed infrastructure and they work hard. Let them come. However, my gut feel is they will not be leaving once settled down. Just remember this - they still have another billion in China that would love the open space of Africa to live in and once in Africa there is no law such as 'the one child policy' for them. Mark my words - they will soon outbreed the original Africans. Then we can talk again. Cheers for now.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 12:40

      "Haha - in the entire Africa after 300 years how many Europeans remain -6 million? And you have a problem with the 'evil' West?" Why shouldn't Africans have a problem with people that enslaved, subjugated, dehumanised, humiliated and exploited them. You attitude towards Africans is that of a psychopath! Most of your ilk are probably worried about how this relationship with China affects the west in the continent. I doubt it's concern for Africans. Given the foreign policies of the west, and the brutality of the US in particular, it does make sense to ally with a country whose projection of power doesn't include parking a carrier battle group off your coast.

      Eduannn - 2013-01-15 13:44

      Nope - my concern is for Africa and Africans - I am one and I live here - 10th generation and proud of it. I will not be around forever - but our children and their children will be. One day our forests will be replaced by rice paddies - will you then be happy? Here is some inside info: Do you know that most of our wooden windows and doors are now made of Oukume (an African hardwood). It used to be made of Meranti from Indonesia and Malaysia. The CHINESE are cutting down these African hardwoods with absolutely no concern for the environment. When I asked a manufacturer why he buys it from the Chinese as we know that it is not being done in a sustainable manner his answer was simply: If I don't - somebody else will! But I have no control over any of this - so I merely comment - We shall see what the future brings. At the moment it does not look too bright for our children - but I still hope sanity will prevail. Btw you can harp on the past as much as you like it still does not change my vision of what could happen if this report is true and still does not answer this simple statement: "Mark my words - they will soon outbreed the original Africans. Then we can talk again."

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 14:04

      The Chinese would have long quit or withdrawn if not welcomed in Africa and might have put their money somewhere else. Given the size of Chinese investment and engineering in Africa, some imperfection is not avoidable and nothing surprising. At least Chinese pay for what they get on a fair terms. It's also great that the Chinese are not imposing their culture onto Africans. Africa is still Africa, but with Chinese help. You can criticise what the Chinese are doing if you yourself have any better ideas, even though I will be the first to admit that we should remain vigilant. If the Chinese model for engagement in Africa ends up achieving nothing, but does not result in Africans being reduced to debt slaves, it will still have succeeded a hundred times more than previous models.

      Eduannn - 2013-01-15 16:49

      Two things: Doubt they could/would go anywhere else - I do not think any other continent in the world would allow uncontrolled Chinese influx as 'seems' to be the case in this report about Angola (and also the rest of Africa from what I understand). CHINA as far as I am aware is the ONLY country in the world that have laws for population 'control'. Yet not so long ago they hit the billion mark and now they are at 1.2 billion? Makes you think. One culture that already outnumbers ALL the different cultures in Africa combined. Once in Africa and not under direct control of their own masters in China who is to say what can happen to the Chinese population in Africa. I would not bet against an explosion of sorts. As we all know the far east is highly meticulous in their planning - who is to say that they are not already preparing Africa for themselves when they run out of space in China. My biggest concern is not for WHAT they are doing in Africa, but HOW MANY of their own they are "exporting" in order to achieve this. Who knows - we shall see. Just some thoughts anyway. I'll be long gone by the time my prediction can be tested. Btw I am not against multi-culturism at all, in fact I think South Africa can do with some more Eastern influx as well. Just call me a sceptic if you like. But I would still prefer it if we could make do by ourselves and without outside "help" / interference.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 16:57

      You are arrogantly presuming that these African leaders don't know what's good for them and their countries and you believe you know better. You are just speculating, and a lot of people have made a killing in speculating. Anyone who claims to be sure what the future holds for Sino-Afro relations should be viewed with great skepticism.

      Eduannn - 2013-01-15 17:33

      No arrogance dear fidel - the article / report was about NUMBERS - you turned it into benefits/ investments, etc. I clearly stated that the true test will come in time. I also gave you population figures. And another thing - these young strong working Chinese can all still have offspring - once born in Africa they become African citizens. All I am saying is rather be safe than sorry. I do not presume anything - but another colonization could be on the cards - it will NOT affect me (as I earlier pointed out my culture will always be outnumbered). Just as a parting JOKE - at least the Chinese will not take up as much physical space per person as those damn big Afrikaners (of which I am one). LOL Unfortunately I have to go now.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-15 17:42

      Fair enough. I've enjoyed our exchanges,and I found them very helpful. Cheers! - 2013-01-16 04:59

      You're a troll fidel.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-16 09:45

      And as it happens, trolling actually means to post off-topic and abusive nonsense. It does not mean being on-topic and having a different opinion. Is China’s presence in Africa bane or boon to the erstwhile “dark continent”? Of course it is beneficial and no one said it was perfect. Imbeciles like you should grow out of the easy name-calling by relying on more balanced analyses of the pros and cons of China's growing engagement in international development.

  • - 2013-01-15 19:39

    fidel.uncensored is that you in your picture - 2013-01-16 05:00

      Fidel is just a troll.

      fidel.uncensored - 2013-01-16 09:46

      To call everyone who doesn't share your views "a troll" says more about you than about them. Then again, it's easier to be smug than objective or constructive, right?

  • Ncube Tseke - 2013-04-02 09:37

    Beware China is re colonising Africa again using its resources, power and monies.

  • pages:
  • 1