Gaddafi son arrest reports 'baffling'

2011-08-23 09:58

Tripoli - "Don't worry, it's an armoured vehicle," the driver tells the three reporters in the back of the BMW as they set off to interview Saif al-Islam, whom Libyan rebels claimed they had arrested.

Being invited to interview the influential son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was surprising enough as the world was told he had fallen into the hands of the rebels when they surged into Tripoli on Sunday in a final drive to oust his father.

Even more baffling was that International Criminal Court prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo had confirmed the arrest and said he was in discussions with Libya's opposition to secure the Saif's transfer to the ICC, where he faces charges of crimes against humanity.

Driving through the darkened streets of the capital, which the rebels claim is 95% under their control, merely adds to the sense of mystery.

With little lighting due to power cuts, the empty streets where fighting had raged on Sunday and Monday between rebels and Gaddafi’s forces look unfamiliar and foreboding.

During what turns out to be a trip of just 2km- between the Hotel Rixos where many foreign media are housed and Gaddafi’s Bab al-Azizya compound - the driver becomes erratic, sometimes snuffing the headlights, other times accelerating wildly, or suddenly slowing.

Finally the vehicle arrives at one of the entrances to Gaddafi’s sprawling residence, which bears the ragged scars of repeated bombings by the warplanes of Nato, which is backing Libya's rebellion.

The driver is forced to drive on the pavement to avoid a concrete barrier.

The guards open the gates. The journalists are in the heart of Bab al-Aziziya where rumours are circulating of imminent fresh bombings by Natojets.

Dozens of pickups and 4x4s, on which machineguns or anti-aircraft guns are mounted, line the route.


The car eventually stops in front of the "house of resistance" - the ruins of a building bombed in 1996 by American warplanes in raids which killed Gaddafi’s adopted daughter.

Several dozen regime supporters, thinking Gaddafi’s son has come, begin chanting slogans and waving the Libyan flag.

"Allah, Muammar, Libya and that's it," they chant, brandishing pictures of Saif and his father before peering into the vehicle and finding journalists, but still not moving away from the car.

Saif, sporting a khaki T-shirt, arrives in an armoured 4x4.

"Get in, quickly" one of the men accompanying him tells the journalists pointing to another 4x4.

The vehicles stop after a few hundred metres next to an empty field lit by lamps.

Everyone gets out and Saif accompanied by his guards goes into the meeting with the journalists.

Some loyalists attach a green Libyan flag behind the chair where Saif is to sit. On a coffee table, they place a small Libyan flag, a Koran and a copy of Gaddafi’s Green Book, the 1975 text in which he laid out his philosophy.

"Did you see the fighting today?" Saif asks with a smile.

"No we only heard the sound" of fighting, replied one of the journalists, who like about 30 other members of the foreign media are confined to a hotel which has been deserted by staff and has seen no electricity or water for two days.

  • Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 10:08

    WHO IS BAFFLED? I AM NOT BAFFLED? Libya has not fallen to the imperialists!

      TshepoTheGreat - 2011-08-23 10:12

      shut up you blaady fool.... the blood thirsty gadaffi's will spill their blood in libya if they dont surrender.... We want gadaffi's head on a stick... Viva to the revolution Viva.... in saying that the western media is dam usless for getting this story wrong.... The rebels must also execute all gadaffi spies within the rebel movement

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-23 10:12

      I didn't know Libyans are imperialists...

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 10:19

      I am not baffled! And I will never shut up!

      Ed - 2011-08-23 10:23

      Hilary darling... you obviously are NOT too sharp. if you were a knife, you would be the butter knife. 95% of the country and city of Tripoli controlled by the rebels, sounds pretty much to me like the Rebels have won. i mean, 95% is quite a large majority.

      The_Rock - 2011-08-23 10:24

      You Nigerian we all know why you are so pro gasaffi.

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 10:26

      Ed darling, you are the one who is not sharp. In fact, you are stupid, foolish and idiotic to still believe the same dishonest media that lied to you all along.

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 10:32

      You like to talk about Nigeria as if South Africa belongs to you. I know how you came to South Africa.

      Tolerant - 2011-08-23 10:33

      It is Libyans against Libyans with Nato's planes help. It is just a matter of time and Gaddafi's illegal rule will be oevr. Democracy is spreading in Africa.

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 10:35

      Who are you to think you can teach Africans democracy?

      TshepoTheGreat - 2011-08-23 10:40

      wena hilary tula wena!!! you got too much coke up your nose and you saying funny things.........

      Malope - 2011-08-23 10:42

      @Hilary. I would be surprised if you were baffled. You sound dump enough to be baffled by anything.

      jevoixtout - 2011-08-23 10:49

      The stench of a troll is overwehlming here.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 10:54

      Hilary Ojukwu, Hilary, relax, you just have to find another issue to propagate your radicalism. Its not happening with Libya....... Baffled??? The only thing that baffles me, how ANYONE can support a MURDERERS LUNATIC !!!!!

      TshepoTheGreat - 2011-08-23 10:58

      @jevoixtout i think you are smelling your top lip

      McDaNife - 2011-08-23 11:05

      I think we will have to wait and see who has taken control of Libya, these unconfirmed reports are rather baffling

      Ayoba - 2011-08-23 11:12

      Did you here that NATO is not sure who the rebels are? They say they might be Alqaeda forces but they are not sure. Imagine if they find out later that they were helping Alqaeda to overthrow Libya. Lol!!!

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-23 11:29

      @Hilary, you bloody drug dealer, leave our land & go fight for your hero. Nobody here likes, wants or respects any nigerian, we know what you are & how corrupt & shallow you are. If ever The Black, English, Afrikaans, Left wing & right wing in South Africa were ever united, its in the fact that WE DONT WANT YOU OR YOUR KIND HERE!!!! GET OUT!!!

      African_meisie - 2011-08-23 11:34

      No offence but if someone did not teach africans democracy and all other things related to the western world you would not be conversing over the internet with people. You would still be in the hut, and be a subsitence farmer. Africa started evolving when europeans came to it's shores. Africans did not go there and change their continent. This may sound racist but it's not, it's just the facts. You are able to have the life you have because of the imperialist. There was serious errors made with colonising Africa and the aftermath after the colonialist pulled out, but basically if you are african with an education conversing over this internet you kind of owe the imperialist, even if they went about it completely incorrectly.

      roboman1 - 2011-08-23 11:39

      Hilary, Libya is ruled by a lunatic, unstable mentally imbalanced lunatic, how can you wish that on the poor Libyans? If I was Libyan i would thank the Imperialists for their support but make sure they do not stay in my country, but i would nevertheless be grateful that they exorcised me from just another dictator. It seems from comments made by other people that you are Nigerian, well nigeria is ruled by Africans for Africans and is reasonably successful, and it has a democracy. Not without problems, but also with successes. (All countries, including the Imperialists have problems!)But do not wish the maintenance and support of another Dictator in Africa, Mugabe, Gadaffi etc, they cause to much hardship and suffering in Africa on Africans, we do not need them Chuck Malema into that distasteful stew as well.

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 14:03

      DABOSS247365, you can see how stupid you are. The first point is that South Africa is not your land. I know the history of South Africa too well, so I refuse to be intimidated by your racist taunts. Secondly, Hilary Ojukwu is not a drug dealer. Look at you, you criticise Gaddafi for being undemocratic. Now you have shown that you are worse than Gaddafi and this is the problem I have with you and your NATO BRIGADE. Whilst you people claim to love democracy, you conspire to suppress people who disagree with you. Please, go back to school.

      beicime - 2011-08-23 14:32

      Gaddafi stated that it would go "house to house, room to room" to kill rebels and the imperialists stopped him. Now, dear Hilary, if your life was at stake would you mind to be saved by an imperialist? Hilary, stop being racist and get a life.

      Hilary Ojukwu - 2011-08-23 14:47

      beicime, what point have you made now? You only vomited the same old lines that the imperialist NATO used to justify the confusion they have caused in Libya. You know what, if standing against NATO means that I am a racist. Then, so be it.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 17:17

      aka, Hilary, Your comments are soo simular to the ones , that stopped a while back!! They were also not only radical, but also full of racism and hatred, But this word "vomiting" , gives you away....... That person also could not make one comment without filth. I don't believe you are Nigerian, maybe, a brother from the states??????????

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-23 10:19

    So where's the other son? Why isn't he parading himself on TV?

      Ayoba - 2011-08-23 11:19

      Because He is at home watching TV.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 11:28

      He might be dead !! His lovely brother Saif , would be the cause of that!!

      Goldenk9 - 2011-08-23 13:27

      Because the TV Station is now in the hands of the rebels, sorry, the

  • Bush Lair - 2011-08-23 10:26

    It's good, the western propaganda has been exposed. From day one of the Libyan invasion by the western imperialists, all what we have been hearing and seeing on propaganda media CNN,BBC, Sky, Fox were lies. Now every "normal minded" african can see who the real enemy is. I urge africa to help Gaddafi defeat these terrorist that are sponsored by America, France and UK. This is the time to unite against recolonisation and imperialism. Down with the west. Africa unite.

      Tolerant - 2011-08-23 10:34

      Gaddafi is the terrorist, not the West.

      Malope - 2011-08-23 10:40

      No Bush Lair, it is time to kick out all tyrants. People think that tyrants that spit out anti West rhetoric are better leaders themselve, and they're not. the ati-West rhetoric is used mainly to hide their own tyranny. Syria is next, then Zimbabwe and....

      MSGRule - 2011-08-23 10:58

      Maybe you should go re-colonise the bush that you left behind

      open-minded - 2011-08-23 11:02

      the WESt and EU have always impose their ideas to African people, how the African people should live their lives...they always impose "DIVIDE AND RULE" tactics to cause division across the world...Why is USA not a member of the ICC?...why?..

      Anton - 2011-08-23 11:02

      Bush Lair, Africa Unite !!! What are you on about ???? In the North-East of Africa is the biggest crisis Africa has experienced in many many years. Tens of thousands of Africans have died!! Millions more of Africans are close to starving to death. The whole world, especially the West, is going out of its way to help these people. THE AU HAS AFTER FIVE MONTHS , STILL NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET TOGETHER, TO SEE WHAT AFRICA CAN DO. Africa Unite !!! Don't talk rubbish !!!!

      ekse - 2011-08-23 12:34

      man, I think NATO&Co has been in Lybia for a while now. How about lending a hand to Syria (either side that suits them) as the Lybian rebels have captured 95% of Lybia and Gadhafi's son (wait, did the rebels make him available for the interview? lol). What is happening with the $32Billion seized in the US and more in Europe (France, Italy, etc)? Currently used to finance rebels? I will not be surprised. We seriously need to acknowledge that the current war in Lybia is not about some mad-man who pushed people around or hell, instructed soldiers to rape and kill. Similar to the Iraqi WMD that started the WAR and suddenly were no-where to be found. .

  • Andre - 2011-08-23 10:27

    In war, nothing is clear untill te very end. As with Hitler, dictators will hang on untill the very end, even if it is clear that the end is very near. They seem to live in a dreamworld, a world which only exists in there own imagination. They will control troops, brigades wich do no longer exist. Any small victory they will see as their victory over the enemy. But in the end, the results are always the same, they will cease to exist. Gaddafi's rule is over, this is te fact. Like Hitler, he may hold on for a couple of day's, maybe weeks, but the result will be the same... This is the end game. For the same of all Lybians, may it be over soon

  • Asterix De G - 2011-08-23 10:42

    I'm no Ghadaffi supporter, but also I am not blind to see how quickly American-Western-Allies rushes off to "save" an oil rich country, but their eagerness eludes them when there's no oil. Their track record is evident. Another Iraq? It's sad that Imperialism is still alive and well in this supposed democratic world we live in.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 11:12

      Asterix De G, Oil===American-Western-Allies ??? It are the Chinese, who are flying in and out of Benghazi. While the whole world is sending messages to all involved, to spare the lives of ,ordinary, Libyans, China send a message this morning: "PLEASE, LOOK AFTER OUR INTEREST !!!!!!!!

      slg - 2011-08-24 07:12

      Asterix, please, we've covered this many times. Libya produces just 2% of the world's oil. If it produced more it would have been difficult for the rest of the world to help Libyans free themselves from Gadhafi's 40-year tyrannical rule. The oil is owned by Libya, now and forever more. The new government will enter into contracts with the highest bidders from all over the world. Libya will receive 60% to 70% of the revenues, maybe more. Oil producing countries are among the wealthiest in the world. Gadhafi diverted billions of dollars to his own bank accounts, and stunted Libya's growth. One person should never be in charge of a country.

  • onmyway - 2011-08-23 10:44

    This is some of the worst article writing ever! If the article werent so cunfusing, we might have abetter idea of what is going on in Lybia...LOL

  • Sisie - 2011-08-23 10:53

    It was his double - fooled everyone. Or maybe he was photo shopped.

  • ChrisKhoza - 2011-08-23 10:55

    Nothing's baffling here. Unless if you're prepared to believe the Western propaganda. Yes, they can defeat him in the future but currently all the reports we are getting about what's going down in Tripoli are nothing but fallacy. The appearance of his son should tell us something. Yesterday's reports were that his son was captured, which was also confirmed by ICC, and that in 15 hours Tripoli will be under the control of rebels. All this false reporting have been exposed yet people still continue to believe what is fed to them by the Western-led media. I'm no Gadaffi fan but that doesn't mean that I'll accept to be fed pure lies...

  • African_meisie - 2011-08-23 11:03

    He is one arrogant person...

      slg - 2011-08-24 07:07

      He blew his load and ducked out of Dodge as quick as he could. He's not a threat.

  • thelamer - 2011-08-23 11:06

    Well ex. Croatian president Mesic claims that several weeks ago Gadafi stated he was ready to give up his position if NATO stops his attacks and that such info was dispatched to NATO members - did the NATO "support" stop? If the info is true then what were the true goals of NATO there?

  • Jay - 2011-08-23 11:17

    what was happening on tthis story just goes to show that all the news we get is hearsay not confirmed news, because the whole day yesterday every news agency reported that Gadafi s son had been captured, well there he is now giving the same stupid journos an interview,,,thats why i hardly believe anything i read especially from the shady journos here on news24...please stop giving us news on what you heard but please base your reports on actual events that you witnessed yourself....what happend to good old journalism where journalists use to run side by side with soldires during a war, giving us the viewers actual scenes from the battlefront, i will tell you what happened, journos nowadays have become sisies, wusies,panzies,chickens...all they did in Libya is sit in their hotel rooms and wait for some stupid liers to come and tell them wat was happening on the battle...dont be a journo if you are a la resistance viva la Gadafi viva la free Libya down with the oil seeking NATO..we cant allow this to happen in africa where all these countries can enter our airspace and kill women and children at la resistance

  • yufanyi - 2011-08-23 11:19

    Bush told the world that Saddam and Iraq war wil take 3days.The international community told us yesterday that Libya will be free in 15hrs and that the integrity of the Gaddafi's son's be protected.In ivory coast we heard they gave us fake info.The problem is not the tyrant now,its a matter of interest,they should allow every citizen make his choice.You cannot come as liberators and only 100 of people are seen instead of millions when it is called liberation.

  • nn.prv - 2011-08-23 11:27

    "Eish ..It's not this one yu dumb rebel" ' "Ok lets go try and catch his father then" LOL

  • marco - 2011-08-23 11:43

    Wow isn't this quite something hey.Yesterday on SkyNews,BBC and CNN they one and all said that SAIF,Libya's most influential man,had been caught by the Rebels.Subsequently all the talk afterwards were about how he should now face charges of crimes aginst humanity at the Hague and Obama boldly declared that Gaddafi's regime had come to an end. Funny how pathetic NATO truly is.NATO decided to take sides with the Rebels in fighting Gaddafi so they must forever live with that.Nobody in their corporate media tells about the Rebels brutality,only baseless claims about Gaddafi slaughtering his own people is what you always hear in reports. Do people really know about the black oil workers from Sub-Saharan Africa that were kicked in the chest and executed by Rebels from Benghazi who mistook them and falsely accusing them of acting as mercenaries for Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.These were just cheap labour individuals doing what they was there for in Libya-an honest day's work.And yet do the media ever report on these incidents by Rebels. How do you know that these Rebel thugs will at any point in future ever respect Democratic Rule any better than Gaddafi would at the minute?Respect for human rights,a free press,free speech,free public debate,pluralism,access to justice,broad participation in political processes etc. Sure Libya under Gaddafi had never done any or all of the above Democratic Ideals but these Rebels it seems are hell-bent in carrying on with the trend and not bucking it.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 11:54

      Marco, All this cruelty and madness , can come to a very quick end. These murderers tyrants/war crimninals/thugs from this gaddafi family, must get out of Tripoli, dead or alive !!! Only than, the killing will stop !!

      marco - 2011-08-23 12:55

      @Anton- You talk like NATO does "gaddafi family,must get out of Tripoli" and go where exactly hey.Do you have any idea what you're talking about.Where must Gaddafi go and who in their right mind would take the "MAD DOG" of Africa in?Like so many others you all get swept up into this frenzy "feeding" by the media on Gaddafi that he must go,Gaddafi must do this,Gedaffi must relinquish power etc.The last thing the international community ever wanted is civil war in Libya and that's exactly what you have now.NATO's pretext for war in Libya-UN Resolution 1973 to avert a humanitarian crisis and to protect civilians-has been proven fraudulent.I take it that rebels driving tanks,flying fighter jets and carrying RPG launchers were classed as "protesters" or "civilians" right?NATO's Imperialistic-Speak for all uber-protector rationale is deadly flawed here in Libya & everywhere else in the world. NATO's main problem in Libya is the tribal system which is still a fundamental part of Libyan society.Over 140 known clans or tribal networks exist in Libya. •Warfallah in Western Libya of around one million people in areas of Baniwalid,Zamazam,Bey,Sirte,Sabha,Dernah. •Al-Magarha in Central Libya or the desert area between Cyrenaica and Tripolitania. •Az-Zuwayya in Eastern Libya and also the arabized Western Berbers. Mua'mmar al-Qaddafi did retain enough support among critical tribes and institutions throughout his time in power despite the fact everybody else in NATO wants him out of power.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 13:43

      Marco, A good address for gaddafi would be the ICC in The Hague !! That"s about the only people in the world, who will welcome him. And whatever thoughts you have re Nato, let me remind you, that at the beginning of this conflict, there were UNARMED demonstrations in Benghazi , against gaddafi. And what did he do ?? Did he than say, that he would hold elections? ( the first in 42 years !!!) No, he had his security forces shoot at these demonstrators, with live amunition, and the killing had started. Further, gaddafi than said: "The blood of these rebels (aka the opposition) will flow in the streets of Libya" and "We will go house to house and flush out these rats" These words were spoken, while there were no foreign arms, nor Nato involved in this conflict. Only than, did the LIBYAN OPPOSITION look around for help, against this monster. Africa , as usual, looked the other way. Only Than, did they accept Nato's offer to support them.!!!!! THESE ARE THE ACTS OF THIS CONFLICT. And, its unfair to question the oppostion , at this stage, if they will respect human rights, free press, free speech, free public debate, pluralism, access to justice, broad participation in political processes etc... They say they will, now they will have to proof this. But one thing is for sure , gaddafi had FOURTY TWO YEARS, to implement these basics human rights,and he NEVER DID !!!!

      marco - 2011-08-23 16:49

      @Anton Again you show just how stupid and naive you truly are and then have the nerve to post this:"THESE ARE THE ACTS OF THIS CONFLICT".Well then lets look at your comments in more detail shall we.You said "there were UNARMED demonstrations in Benghazi,against gaddafi".Tell me what exactly would you have done had it been your position as ruler of a country that's being threathen by regime change individuals?Gaddafi reacted to it as do all governments do from around the world and that is narrowly targeting the armed rebels who fight against his government.The consensual reality of your lurid claims about Gaddafi is significantly flawed.Whether they'd be the British Prime Minister,David Cameron,the United States President Barack Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy all would've done the same thing with UPRISINGS in their respective countries-not call for Regime changes.So why do such in Libya the minute a Revolution,Arab Spring uprising or any other K@K happens?Explain that please if you will. The other bold and pathetic claim you made is this:"We will go house to house and flush out these rats" These words were spoken,while there were no foreign arms,nor Nato involved in this conflict"...How pathetic can one get I ask.Hundreds of special forces personnel from the US,Britain and France arrived on February 23 and 24 in American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk.To do what?Western forces were reportedly preparing to...

      marco - 2011-08-23 16:50

      set-up training bases and get local militias set-up by the rebel forces for an effective control of the oil-rich region and counter any push by pro-Qaddafi forces from Tripoli.So the initial reaction from NATO was lets protect the oil and our interest.NATO have said that Moammar Gaddafi had become overly possessive of his oil by making bigger demands for up-front payments from Western countries for drilling rights and greater profit-sharing.Forget the argument you making about protecting civiians and providing humanitarian aid for the Libyans. The next claim you make is Africa looked the other way.Why am I not suprise to read that as it's the common stereotypical reply from a racist white.Both NATO and the "rebels" have rejected an African Union peace plan which included a cease-fire.And you said Africa looked the other way-what's this then this peace plan?How is that looking the other way?The rebels had rejected the peace proposal instead they wanted NATO to hand over control of Libya to them.How is that the Rule of Law or any indication of Pro-Democracy Libya in action?How is that even in any way different from what Gaddafi's done up until now?Has these Rebels thus far been able to demonstrate broad-based public support throughout the country for their position?NO they haven't as simple as that.The African Union had ask for an end to the war and to bring about a peaceful agreement by both sides.Is regime change instead of peace in Libya the price to pay?

      marco - 2011-08-23 16:51

      Millions of innocent civilians will be caught up in the middle of an intensifying civil war. Lastly you say:But one thing is for sure,gaddafi had FOURTY TWO YEARS,to implement these basics human rights,and he NEVER DID !!!!" How do you know that these Rebels will either do that for which you're calling for?Is the battle for Libya the clash of a brutal dictator against a democratic opposition,or is it fundamentally a tribal civil war? Nobody really knows the true nature or intent of these mysterious Rebels do they?The Rebel's governing council is composed of secular-minded professionals—lawyers,academics,businesspeople—who talk about democracy, transparency,human rights and the rule of law.But their commitment to those principles is just now being tested as they confront the specter of potential Qaddafi spies in their midst,either with rough tribal justice or a more measured legal process.Like the Qaddafi government, the operation around the rebel council is rife with family ties.And like the chiefs of the Libyan state news media,the rebels feel no loyalty to the truth in shaping their propaganda,claiming nonexistent battlefield victories,asserting they were still fighting in a key city days after it fell to Qaddafi forces,having said that they've caught Saif Gaddafi yesterday only to be proven wrong and making vastly inflated claims of Gaddafi's barbaric behavior. To me these Rebels and Gaddafi are one and the same barbaric professionals on an evil mission in Libya.

      marco - 2011-08-23 16:58

      For your sake I sincerely hope that Gaddafi does end up in The Hague so he can expose all his friends and their sordid relationship with him over the years up until now.Famous people like lets see:Tony Blair,former UK Prime Minster,who took an interest in advising Libya on oil revenues and finance in 2009 and had tea with Gaddafi in a bedouin tent in the desert,the London School of Economics that got paid by Gaddafi in issuing PhD's out for his son and some other K@K they were involved in,how Saif al-Islam ended up being a guest in 2009 at Waddesdon Manor,home of financier Jacob Rothschild,4th Baron Rothschild,having tea parties with Lord Mandelson and Nathaniel Philip Rothschild.So yeah please let Gaddafi go there to the Hague and tell the world all there is to know about how you always are way above suspicion we Western Nations.

      Anton - 2011-08-23 17:29

      Marco, Marco, Give it a break, you go on and on about the past. Forget about what happened five years ago , last year ,last month, last week, or even yesterday. Concentrate on what's happening today !!!! Gaddafi and his rubbish sons, are on the way out. LEAVE THE PAST, LOOK AT TODAY AND TOMORROW !!!!!!! A LIBYA WITHOUT THESE gaddafi THUGS!!!!

      Ingwe - 2011-08-23 17:55

      Anton you cannot reason with Marco you will just get one diatribe full of drivel after another. Sorry but you are wasting your time with him. he sits behind his computer cutting and pasting from web sites and he thinks he knows it all. i would love to see his reaction if he was in Tripoli now, the sad thing is he does not understand that the majority of the people of Libyan have had enough and they are willing to die so that others can have freedom

      marco - 2011-08-23 18:33

      @Ingwe Tell me something why do always stick that big,fat,ugly elephant size looking nose of yours everywhere where it don't belong hey.Grow up you pathetic son of a ***** and **** off please there is ****all for you here.You ****ing inbred tosser!!!!!

      Ingwe - 2011-08-23 18:52

      Hey Marco is that all you got, LOL You are just embarrassing yourself now and showing everyone who reads the drivel you post the sort of person you really are.

      marco - 2011-08-23 19:09

      @Anton Yeah lets concentrate like you say on the here and now shall we.These untested Rebel Forces you so badly want to take charge of governing Lybia have had no experience running a complex tribal Libyan society,it's Sufism and Esotericism have they?Peacekeepers from NATO will likely be deployed in developing government agencies and political parties as that is all NATO knows to do.Yet that's exactly what NATO said it wouldn't do from the very beginning of their assault on Libya.Questions though remain and that is what happens if Libya falls under the wrong regime post Gaddafi?An unstable Arab Country and oil producer is far more costly to NATO and the world than any kind of aid package anybody can offer post Gaddafi.As we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq,regime change is not an end of a matter,and can lead either to deadlock,or to more extreme forces seizing the opportunity.Both Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were unpopular regimes,still there was no opposition with a widespread support to replace them was there once they were gone?Tension within the Libyan rebel ranks,between life-long opponents of Gaddafi and those who have recently defected,could foreshadow a similar disaster in Libya.Can't say it won't happen here now can we?

      Anton - 2011-08-23 20:27

      Marco, After reading your comment to Ingwe, let's just leave it

      slg - 2011-08-24 07:04

      Marco, Libya's tribes are not Nato's business. They have no business deciding anything, or doing anything about them. Nato is charged with eliminating Gadhafi's ability to use Libya's military against Libyans. That mission is almost complete. Libyans will decide their future, a future in its fullest expression denied them by Gadhafi.

  • luvnevafails - 2011-08-23 12:01

    Love never fails

  • ihatum - 2011-08-23 12:35

    prop-aganda, that's what.

  • adam ahmed - 2011-08-23 14:48

    imperialists are waiting to rape libya for its oil

      slg - 2011-08-24 07:06

      See below

  • adam ahmed - 2011-08-23 14:48

    imperialists are waiting to rape libya for its oil.

      slg - 2011-08-24 07:05

      Boring. You're out of date Adam, by about sixty years. Get with it man.

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