Gaddafi 'would go in exchange for security'

2011-07-05 09:56

Moscow - A Russian newspaper said on Tuesday that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was willing to give up power in exchange for security guarantees, citing a high-level Russian official.

The report in the respected daily Kommersant, which did not identify its source, came a day after the search for ways to end the war in Libya dominated Russia's talks with Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen and South African President Jacob Zuma.

"The colonel [Gaddafi] is sending signals that he is prepared to relinquish power in exchange for security guarantees," Kommersant quoted what it called a high-level source in the Russian leadership as saying.

The source said in the report that other nations, potentially including France, were willing to provide those guarantees.

The Kommersant report also said Gaddafi wanted his son Saif al-Islam to be permitted to run in elections if he steps down, a condition the rebels might not accept.

The Libyan government said on Monday that it was in talks with opposition figures, but the other side stuck to entrenched positions on Gaddafi's fate.

Saif al-Islam told a French newspaper there was no question of negotiating an end to his father's 42-year rule, and the rebel National Transitional Council backtracked on its statement that Gaddafi could stay in Libya if he gave up all power.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-07-05 10:10

    Democracy might not deliver on all our dreams and wishes but its a hell of a lot better than the mess created by the power-mad and the ruthless in its absence.

      ratex - 2011-07-05 11:44

      In negotiations, rule #1 Always negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness. As with all things in life, there are no guarantees. lastly after what you did, why would any sane person (exc JZ), give you any guarantee?

      DJI - 2011-07-05 12:07

      The only place of security he should get is a 3x3 cell.

  • Gorilla - 2011-07-05 10:20

    This from a guy who has just threatened to attack Europe. I doubt he'll get too much sympathy. Good luck to him.

      Richard - 2011-07-05 10:26

      Gorilla - er, I think it is Europe that has just attacked Libya actually.

      daaivark - 2011-07-05 10:36

      Richard, between 30 minutes and an hour ago there was an item quoting the son as threatening to attack targets in Europe. For what it's worth.

      daaivark - 2011-07-05 10:38

      Just further down the home page.... see:

      Gorilla - 2011-07-05 11:04

      Richard. Story was in the press a few days ago. You should expand your news reads. It's never good to have all your missiles on the back on one land cruiser.

      Richard - 2011-07-05 11:35

      Yes, yes I know that Gadaffi has threatened Europe. But look at the big picture. Europe has been bombing the hell out of Libya for how many weeks now? I'm not supporting Gadaffi, but I find it very one sided that Europe is now offended at Gadaffi for threatening him after bombs have rained down on his head, some killing his children and grandchildren.

      OB1 - 2011-07-05 12:01

      you reap what you sow.

      Gorilla - 2011-07-05 12:02

      "...Europe is now offended at Gadaffi for threatening him..." Firstly. Europe is not a person, it's a place. Secondly, Gadaffi is not compliant with humanitarian norms and is killing his people if they disagree with him. He is a Tyrant. He needs to step down. There should be no grey area.

      Dominic - 2011-07-05 12:39

      Practical effect of his threat is that Europe cannot afford to leave him in power, regardless of any UN mandate.

      Richard - 2011-07-05 22:44

      "Firstly. Europe is not a person, it's a place." Point taken - my error. You know what I meant. And if you want to be pedantic, you shouldn't write 'firstly' its 'first'. Grammar lessons over. "Secondly, Gadaffi is not compliant with humanitarian norms and is killing his people if they disagree with him. He is a Tyrant. He needs to step down. There should be no grey area." Well the problem with the Nato intervention is that it assumes that the 'rebels' would get the popular vote. Unfortunately there is no evidence for this either. So murdering Gadaffi, apart from being beyond the UN mandate, is a violation in itself. Most people prefer it that way round (i.e. Nato murders Gadaffi) simply because they identify with Nato more than Gadaffi. Thats as far as the morality goes.

  • Liberty - 2011-07-05 10:22

    I am sure that France wouldn't mind arranging a police escort for Gadaffi when he leaves Tripoly for the ICC :)

  • Thats_that - 2011-07-05 10:23

    Kak! He should be tried for murdern at the Haig!

      Risen Ape - 2011-07-05 10:59

      I agree, dictators should be held responsible for their crimes. To let Gadaffi off the hook will only encourage future dictators to stay on knowing they can negotiate a way out on the back of violence.

      Michael - 2011-07-05 11:18

      @Thats_that, what about the NATO commanders who bombed innocent civilians? Shouldn't they be tried the same way as MG?

      Thats_that - 2011-07-05 12:26

      NATO commanders are fine fellows, upholdinmg the law at every turn. They are the exterminators of society. Good on them....... - 2011-07-05 14:56

      He should end up the same as saddam and his evil son....

      Blacky - 2011-07-05 18:53

      i am not supporting gadafi but if he should be tried in hague for war crimes. so tell me what did you say about bush and tony blair. if you truely care about justice for all.

  • BOFFINBOB - 2011-07-05 10:31

    He would no doubt be welcome to " see out his days " in this country. After all he is a hero to millions in South Africa & in return could become an " advisor / consultant " to Malema & his youthful comrades. A true african " role model. " What an honour !!!!!

      Honeybabe - 2011-07-05 10:37

      i pray you are just been sarcastic.

      Bowhunter - 2011-07-05 10:42

      or maby JZ can organize medical parole for him...

      BOFFINBOB - 2011-07-05 10:43

      Honeybabe....Yes, I am...Very. Sadly there is merit in my comment.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-07-05 10:45

      Oh, he is. neh BB?

      Brian - 2011-07-05 11:14

      Got a nasty feeling the meeting between the Russians and JZ was to discuss hiding this b*****d in SA

  • Gore - 2011-07-05 10:36

    These "strong man" of Africa, talking war and prepared to die for their just causes with the people. Guess what, they can not take a chance where they can actually die, sis, what a bunch of cry babies & hypocrites. This is after their followers had died in large number!!!

  • Vicker - 2011-07-05 10:40

    Hey Showerhead - nows your chance to invite Ghadaffi over to stay...Will have to use Loftus though so the Arab can put up his tent and graze his camels...

      Thats_that - 2011-07-05 12:28

      Great chirp, and more true than one might think.

  • willieman - 2011-07-05 10:44

    @Richard "er, I think it is Europe that has just attacked Libya actually"you should have included SA

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-07-05 10:45

    No. He must stand trial. And his son too. They'll simply steal the election if permitted to run. All these years and no elections - NOW all of a sudden it dawns on them that standing for election and letting the people vote is OK? Arrest them and put them on trial.

  • S Bouttell - 2011-07-05 10:51

    Headline should read,"Would go in exchange for a boat load of money, immunity from prosecution for war crimes, and a cushy house at the coast in South Africa."

  • DW - 2011-07-05 10:56

    He's been sending these signals for a while now, but every time someone tries to negotiate something, he digs his heels in. He has no intention of giving up power. I wish they would just blow up his house and him with it so that everyone can get on with rebuilding this country.

      2WhiteStars - 2011-07-05 16:26

      Agreed. This farce has dragged on for long enough now. NATO should just stop pretending and do what they are good at - blowing things up. And Casa el Gadaffi should be ground zero. See how he likes a taste of the medicine he so cruelly dished out to the passengers on Pan Am.

  • Bratboy - 2011-07-05 10:57

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Not even Gaddafi has faith in ZUMA.

  • paypalawsuit - 2011-07-05 11:34

    is it possible that the countries that would not accept the some western influence becoming unstable? is it possible that there are a third force behind all the middle east problems? maybe some powerful people sit behind all of this and not the people in those countries.

      Staphiel - 2011-07-05 12:04

      That's your wishful thinking boy. You think people in the Middle East do not deserve basic human rights that some of us take for granted. You think they are zombies ?

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      juliusedwa - 2011-07-12 12:40

      @Anton why are you always against Gaddafi? do you have any hidden agenda? go with your western and NATO to remove him

  • Duke Potgieter - 2011-07-05 11:56

    The world system is in a state of chaos. It is the time of the final judgment. The world as we know it is in a state of collapse. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-07-05 13:48

      Is it good coffee. Like, say, pure ground coffee not Starbucks fodder?

  • crocodile - 2011-07-05 11:58

    Mohammed you are correct.please advice our govt on this issues of common currency with the likes of china brazil and india that we are the smallest country and we will be punished by America exactly like Iraq and libia

  • Gandanga - 2011-07-05 12:05

    Go to Bob, you will be safe there. Mengistu Haile Mariam is there and heads the intelligence department. You will be promoted to Major General and you will be head of the armed forces in no time.

  • CharlSkeptic - 2011-07-05 13:50

    Shows you what a pussy he is. When he persecuted people, his henchmen did the dirty work. Now he's in the spotlight and wants a safe passage....

  • Civil_Rights - 2011-07-05 14:08

    Gaddaffi should be trailed at the Haig. The French eat frog legs, they are a very strange group of people. That is why it is not suprising that they would support Gaddaffi. Q: What’s the difference between a Frenchman and a bucket of crap? A: The bucket

      2WhiteStars - 2011-07-05 16:34

      What's the difference between jam and marmalade? Answer: You can't marmalade your co*k up someone's ar*e!

  • Nic - 2011-07-05 16:44

    @Thats_that: There is good killing and bad killing. Killing innocent people is killing, period. What happened to the police who killed Tatane at Ficksburg? They claim they were doing their job, but they now in the are saying this because you are not a Libyan and you did not lose any of your kids/relatives/friends in Libya, you wouldn't be saying all the k*k you are saying.

  • Nic - 2011-07-05 16:51

    Don't forget that war does not determine who is right, rather who is left. The very same TNC were on Gaddafhi' side. What would make them any different? Take a look in SA. Lekota was NCOP chairperson, the highest rank in parliament making and supporting decision for/from the ANC, but after he lost his seat, he started to say ANC this, ANC that. Watch the space, they would be a civil war in Libya after the fall of Gaddafhi. You cannot impose leaders to people, coz this is what NATO is going to do, imposing NTC to Libyan people. Watch the news then you will see how many people are still behind Gaddafhi. It will end up the same as in Iraq, where they are bombing everyday, and that makes the West happy, because to get things for free or cheap, make sure that the owners are fighting each other.

  • Blacky - 2011-07-05 19:29

    i have a question for all those who think gadafi is a bad leader and a leader who doesnt love his people and lybians are suffering for 42 years and they need their freedom now. but why is that you dont see lybians every where in europe seeking for asylum like the algerians,marrokans and tunesian are doing. and we all know it is very easy from lybia to europe.. i think its because of envy they have attack lybia. but how can 20 thousand people decide for 4 million and 800 thousand peoples life. just that they wanted to do what they see on the tv. they say the rebels are not well equipt. and not well trained to stand the pro gadafi. but look why nato is still not able to control whole of afghanistan and while they are heavily equipt. comparing them to the talibans. it is stupid what i am hearing from the news papers that the rebels are not well equipt like gadafi´s army.are the talibans well equipt than the americans?the reason why the rebel couldnt progress cause their revolutions wasnt peoples revolutions but it is western revolution for neo colonism. and the reason why americans or the nato could not win the taliban with all those hi-tech equiptments it is because the afghans doesnt like the west. you can kill the body but you cant kill the soul. you can conquer the body but not the soul and the will of the people..

  • Monica - 2011-07-05 19:38

    I hope that; who ever is in charge of this; will take Mugube as well! It is time that the world stand up against "killing the people in your country"; and you have to be the President that is ruining your country. Lock them up forever!

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