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Inside TB Joshua’s broken temple

2014-09-21 20:59

Johannesburg - Ruben Kruger, a veteran of 36 tests in the green and gold, returned after a week in Nigeria and declared that a Pentecostal preacher he called the Prophet had healed his brain cancer, City Press reports.

Temitope Balogun “TB” Joshua prayed for him in the Synagogue Church of All Nations compound while thousands of people sang, danced and wailed, Kruger said.

As Joshua bent over him and implored the demon to be gone from his body, Kruger felt the tumour leaving him. He was cured, Joshua declared, handing him oil to rub on his head.

“I no longer have to drink my chemo pills,” Kruger said on his return. “You cannot describe the feeling to anyone who has not experienced it. It was an unbelievable – or should I say believable – experience.”

The floodgates opened and the Prophet’s newest converts were white, mostly Afrikaans and relatively conservative. They swopped the NG and Hervormde churches for a Nigerian “turn-or-burn” approach to redemption.

It took me some time to understand why the Afrikaner psyche found Joshua so irresistible.

Why were they prepared to seek salvation in a country they perceived to be drowning in greed, political rot and economic decay?

Christianity Nigerian-style was worlds apart from the chains and shackles of Calvinism. Joshua unchained them. He allowed them to worship with a gusto and fervour previously thought unseemly.

That the new messiah was black and his church in Africa’s biggest and maddest metropolis only added to the allure.

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A year or two after Kruger returned from Lagos, I made the same journey. On the plane was another Springbok rugby player, 25-year-old lock Wium Basson, who was dying of liver cancer. He was accompanied by his mother, Cloeté Geldenhuys, and had to get special permission from SAA to make the journey.

I was making a TV documentary and my challenge to Joshua was straightforward: allow me to film how you heal Basson. If you succeed, I promise I will show it to the world.

When we arrived at Joshua’s compound, the TV team and I were in effect incarcerated. For two weeks, we were forbidden to leave the grounds.

We were told we could not drink or smoke, and had to attend services and events with the pilgrims.

While I stayed in a dormitory with other pilgrims, Wium and Cloeté set up camp in a private room.

The church took away the young man’s morphine and pain pills.

During our first interview, a softly spoken, affable Joshua said it would be easy to heal Wium because he had nothing but a “little sore” on his liver.

At Sunday sermons, the afflicted lined up with placards stating what condition they needed healed.

There were lines of people seeking a cure for HIV/Aids, cancer and heart conditions, business failures, wandering spouses and dull brains.

A festive, almost joyous atmosphere filled the compound as churchgoers sang, clapped and danced. Evil spirits were cast out and those set free by the Prophet writhed in the dirt while vomiting out the demons.

'Placebo effect'

Joshua prayed for every person in the line and declared them all healed. He ordered them to stop using any medication and trust in God.

Among the pilgrims was Capetonian John Rindel, who was suffering from full-blown Aids and already had dementia.

He had arrived at the church several weeks before we did, was prayed for by Joshua and declared completely healed.

He had stopped taking his medicine and showed remarkable improvement.

Scientists refer to this as the “placebo effect” of faith healing. A patient can experience genuine pain relief and other symptomatic alleviation after being prayed for.

The relief is short-lived and the patient soon returns to his original condition.

The internet is filled with reports from organisations like the American Cancer Society and the British Medical Journal that found no evidence faith healing can cure physical ailments.

On my request, Rindel agreed to go for two independent HIV/Aids tests when he returned to South Africa. Both showed he was still positive. He died a short while later.

The BBC recently investigated the London branch of the church and reported that three women had died after being “healed” and told to stop taking their HIV/Aids medication.

I challenged the pilgrims to provide me with medical proof that they had been healed. None did.

Ruben Kruger died in 2010 just before his 40th birthday.

And Wium Basson?

Joshua never prayed for him. He said God had not sent him a message to do so.

The young man left the church broken, disillusioned and at death’s door. He died a few days after returning to South Africa.

Before I left the church, Joshua handed me, and the camera and sound people, thick envelopes full of hundred dollar notes. He wanted to be sure we’d produce a positive programme.

We gave the envelopes back.

A year or so after the programme aired – and generated a massive response from people who called us accusing Joshua of all sorts of misdeeds – the preacher produced a video of a 76-year-old South African man named Moses he said he’d brought back from the dead.

Moses was among a group of South African pilgrims in Lagos when he had a heart attack in the dining room.

Videos distributed around the world showed three pilgrims, one a doctor from Bloemfontein, trying to resuscitate Moses.

They failed, the videos reported, and Moses was carried into another room. Joshua walked in, bent over him and commanded: “In the name of Jesus, rise!”

Moses opened his eyes. It later emerged that Moses had been both alive and breathing when he was carried from the dining hall. He’d been resuscitated, not resurrected, and clever editing created a fake miracle.

I understand the despair of terminally ill people and why they grasp at final straws. My father died of lung cancer and might well have made the journey to Lagos.

I am just glad he is not here any more to become a victim of a ravenous tick that feasts on the blood of the ignorant, gullible and desperate.

Comments
  • Vongani Mavoroso Mashimbye - 2014-09-21 21:14

    dont stop ur chemo therapy no matter how muchu believe ur healed dont stop!!!!

      David van Tonder - 2014-09-21 21:41

      Plrase feel free to correct me if I am wrong but if you are reffering to Kruger then you need not worry that he willl stop taking chemo since died in 2010 as mentioned in the article.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 22:06

      Nail this false profit and then go after the others. Take their taxfree billions and give to charity. List of Christian multi-millionaires- South African’s: Farmer Angus Buchan (Mighty Men) Pastor Ray McCauley (Rhema Church) “Dr” Theo Wolmarans (Christian Family Church) Pastor Andre Roebert (River Church) Pastor Attie Boshoff (Christian Revival Church) Nigerians: Bishop David Oyedepo – Estimated net worth: $150M Pastor Chris Oyakhilome – Estimated net worth: $50M Prophet Temitope Joshua – Estimated net worth: $15M Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo – net worth: $10M Americans: Apostle Kenneth Copeland net worth: net worth $769M Healing Evangelist Benny Hinn: net worth: $42 million. Senior Pastor/Joel Osteen Net Worth: $40 million. Apostle T. D. Jakes Net worth $18 million. Pastor John Hagee net worth: $5 million. Pastor Paula White net worth: $5 million. Pop phycology tele- evangelist Joyce Meyer- net worth $ 100 million Pastor Joseph Prince: $5 million Rev. Creflo Dollar Jr, Dr. Juanita Bynum, Paul Crouch, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Mike Murdock etc…….!

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 22:09

      There is a sucker born every minute and there is no shortage of sheep that flock to these Mafioso Churches.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 22:09

      Christianity was born in poverty and it has appealed to poverty stricken people ever since. Paul tells us in 1Cor: “to the present hour we both hunger and thirst and we are poorly clothed and homeless” Some people join the ANC to become rich, others become wealthy by starting Christian charismatic ministries. They know God is poverty stricken so when they need money, you NEVER see them ask God or his Son for money.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 22:17

      Put all charismatic/pentecostal preachers (dope peddlers) behind bars, they prey on the weak and sickly and sell Jesus feel good dopamine, put all Jesus addicts (charismatic Christians) on rehab course so they can be free of their bondage to superstition.

      sthembize.zulu - 2014-09-21 22:21

      I am reminded of another Prophet Kobus Van Rensburg from Stilfontein, who passed away not long ago... Afrikaners seem to have an affinity for prophets

      Punungwe - 2014-09-21 23:08

      I didn't know there was a cure for a dull brain!!!

      NoeNoe - 2014-09-21 23:51

      GREETING FROM THE PULPIT. "A big and hearty welcome to our church. In case you missed the notice that you almost trip over on your way in our bank account number is repeated for your convenience on the front page of the pamphlet you were given on your way through the door."

      Alfred Karius - 2014-09-22 05:37

      Punungwe If he could cure 'dull brain' he would loose all his followers.

      True South - 2014-09-22 11:51

      Faith healing is exactly like magic. No supernatural powers at, just well executed art to create an illusion. There is always a trick behind..., well the trick.

      RuudAwakener - 2014-09-22 13:33

      Isn't "Prophet" Koos van Rensburg the guy that declared he'd healed Joost?

  • duplooyr - 2014-09-21 21:15

    Yeah, right...

  • Nomcebo Slindy Malinga - 2014-09-21 21:17

    Jac why were you quite all along? Or u r just looking for attention nje? And made up stories?

      Mercy Kubayi - 2014-09-21 21:29

      So true my sista,why were this attention seeking journalists quiet all along? My condolences to every one who lost their beloved ones.much as all the hijacked planes victims and plane crashes.we are victims every time. Death is every where.stop blaming the man of God.those people that died were looking forward to receiving. And none was forced to go to naija.my apology if I aws harsh

      Bento Maepa - 2014-09-21 21:32

      With all due respect he is not. He ran this story on SABC years ago, I saw it and did not know what to believe then. I wasn't sure if it was the same Pastor when these news came out recently, now I know it is.

      Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2014-09-21 21:48

      Next time, Idiot, before you type read the story. Better for everyone

      Jacques Otto - 2014-09-21 23:28

      Have you followed Jacques stories activly for many years or is this the first time you see his name on an artical. Jacques stated the program he made was aired and after one year from airing, it created massive response. Sorry Nomcembo but you ask questions when the awnsers you request is in the artical. All the people Jacques stated in his artical has been documented traveling to see Joshua. Most of them even reported back. All of them however died. So again... I ask you... the celebraties Jacques highlighted who has been documented and reported back and who subsequently died....aare these made up stories in your opinion. Dont put your faith in man who uses GOD to become rich. In West Africa companies struggles to market brands based on cost. They struggle to place billboards and advertise yet Churches have hundreds of boards up costing from USD 400 - USD 3000 per facing per month over a 12 month contract. When you see these boards the Profet has his pircture on it strapped in Golden Jewelry. The message on the board is about the the Profet and the Church mirricals. It has no message of GOD or Jesus. It is self promotion instead of God's promotion. Serioulsly wake up. The people seeking to be healed is charged. Do you remember when Jesus raised Lazarus. He immidiatly after he raised him said that will be USD 500 Lazarus. Then Jesus used this money to place a billboard and open a hotel...we know if this was the case no one would have followed Jesus. Yet people follow Joshua

      Jacques Otto - 2014-09-22 00:01

      Sorry Mercy. So we should not blame the man of God. Ok so then who do we blame. You state those people were looking to receive. Ok so in your opinion they are to blame. They were sold a fraudulant story which they believed. They stopped their medicine based on Joshuas command as the word of God and died. The people in the Hotel which collapsed owened by Joshua and charged for the stay died. No let me ask you this...Say you have Diabetes. The Doctor states no need to take your medication as you are healed. YOu end up dying. The Doctor is charge with neglagance is he not. If a hospital mis diagnoses and some one dies they are sued correct. If you buy a car pay the dealer but never get handed the car but your money is taken, the dealer is charged with fraud. If a pharmaceutical company makes a cure for is disease and you take the medicine and die as the medicine was not researched or has a bad reaction they company is charged correct. No...in your opinion we should rather blame the people who took the medicine. We should blame the person who bought a car and never received it. We should blame the pateint for listening to the doctor and we should blame the patient for going to hospital when he was sick. This man should be charged not with fruad but with murder. His false prohpecy is killing people. His sub par hotel killed people. O sorry he is a man of God so it is ok and he must be left alone. Do you think God shares your opinion that Joshua cures in His name but the people die

      Alfred Karius - 2014-09-22 06:03

      @Nomcebo Slindy Malinga & Mercy Kubayi If there was a thread of truth in TB Joshua claims to be able to resurrect the dead and heal the sick and injured why doesn't he resurrect all those killed in his building and heal all those injured with his magic supernatural powers? Why are the injured being sent to hospital?

  • Wehr Wulf - 2014-09-21 21:18

    Dude, the charlatan has cured you of nothing, no matter how much you want to believe it. Stay on the medication!

      Lesley Smith - 2014-09-22 16:21

      The charlatan's name is TB which says it all, a disease, these people play to peoples insecurities.

  • WG Morgan - 2014-09-21 21:19

    Some sanity prevails. These charlatans are a blight on humanity. This Nigerian is just another crook. Prove me wrong!

  • theunis.d.schalkwyk - 2014-09-21 21:20

    Its sad to see how people in total despair get conned by such an ass. He has no regard for peoples lives. Only interested in lining his own pocket.

  • Darel Krupanandham - 2014-09-21 21:20

    Great - was waiting for news like this. I can finally cancel my medical aid. TB joshua can take over every medical case - no need for hospitals any more! TB - sounds like a disease!

  • Sim Youngmind Mtukwana - 2014-09-21 21:20

    that stupid prophet killed our people

      Mercy Kubayi - 2014-09-21 21:41

      The stupid prophet never held anyone at gun point from their countries.every one went on their free will.please save the acts.

      Vuyile Vuyi - 2014-09-21 22:37

      they will hate u if u are saying the truth, it's better to say nothing. saying nothing even when innocent children are being killed

      Vince Sineke - 2014-09-22 00:25

      God will Judge you harshly for the words you said to his servant, saying he is stupid.....the sad thing is that all mankind one day will die and you will go to hell if you don't get born-again and live as the Spirit of God guides you,weather u belive or not all i want is you to hear that.

      Craig King - 2014-09-22 06:56

      It is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.

      Chez Kri - 2014-09-22 15:08

      @Craig. So well said. @ Vince; he is YOUR god, YOU go to hell. Me? I'll be worm food, or in my case just dust on the ground coz I want to be cremated.

      Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-23 01:52

      He is message of devil.

  • YellowSubMarine - 2014-09-21 21:21

    God gave us brains to develop meds! dont stop taking them!! what ever you believe!

      Jacques Otto - 2014-09-21 23:29

      correct

  • Victor Fedrick - 2014-09-21 21:23

    God is great

      Dana Malan - 2014-09-21 22:05

      Santa Claus is greater!

      Motubatsi Chemist Mauhice - 2014-09-21 22:36

      all the time

      Inga Haindongo - 2014-09-22 12:42

      please don't forget the tooth fairy

      OldNick - 2014-09-23 20:04

      The Tooth Fairy is great!

  • Sello Nocturnal - 2014-09-21 21:24

    Why cant just people believe that god will heal them instead of believing in peoples so called "powers"

      Jacques Otto - 2014-09-21 23:42

      Exactly Sello. Your relationship and faith is not through man but with GOD and Christ directly. I dont get it. These people believe this man through GOD will heal them but they dont believe it will happen through direct faith. What their actions is showing is GOD works through Joshua and wont awnser you. I find it one step futher from GOD. Rather take the USD 400 as "donation" and the airplane and hotel cost of about USD 1500 and give it to the hungry who are praying for food. Sorry but how does these Pastors or Profets get so rich. What happens to the money the poor donate to the Church to be used as a good cuase. It is mostly banked by the pastor how else is is getting the income. I lived in West Africa and even brought the Nanny i had back to South Africa. She gave me an envelope every time i traveled back to give to the Church pastor. It was her full pay. The Pastor is a multi millionare and she has nothing. She says it does not matter if he keeps the money as that is his problem she gave and this means her faith and sacrifise is shown. MMMMM....honerable but i am sure God will agree rather to give the money to who needs it as the sacrifice is the same but at least impacts the lifes of people who need it. I just dont get it

      Nichola Smith - 2014-09-23 22:44

      Religion ... load of absolute man made nonsense! Everyone of the hundreds and possibly thousands. They should all wipe each other out in one war and let the reasonable man get on with healing/building this planet.

  • nelmari.eksteendekock - 2014-09-21 21:24

    Excellent article, thank you!

      Mercy Kubayi - 2014-09-21 21:34

      Attention seekers articles.why keep quiet all along.every one ran a risk of being kidnapped by boko haram or some kind of danger.went there at their own risk.death is eveywhere.

      sthembize.zulu - 2014-09-21 22:06

      Mercy this article is old news, a couple of years ago

  • RabbleRouser - 2014-09-21 21:28

    ALL faith healers are fakes. Not one of them has ever cured anybody. They are just confidence tricksters using religion to fleece money out of people. Gullible fools and their money soon part company into the bank accounts of the faith healers. That explains why they can sustain fabulously wealthy life styles. Benny Hinn, TB Joshua, Peter Poppof, and a litany of others use the same ticks to con the gullible faithful.

      Orssah Makgoleng - 2014-09-21 21:45

      Rabble..Last time I checked a person doesn't or can't heal but only the power of God is able

      Harry Hluza Hlungwane - 2014-09-21 22:02

      Have you ever had them ask money from any sick person. Never comment what you don't have facts off!

      Sardick Swarts - 2014-09-22 00:48

      This man is a fake he is not from god

  • ndlelenhle.nyathi - 2014-09-21 21:29

    all the televangelists are the same they are used by satan in the name of Jesus. the reason for them to do what they do is to get wealth and fame through desperate and gullible poor people. Apostle s prophets and pastors is just status and profession now. it's very cosmetics

      Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-21 21:41

      Yebo, Ndlelenhle that's true; they are rule by devil. Not forgetting what CHRIST has said in MATTHEW 24 and 2THESSALONIANS 2

  • Helen Sanya - 2014-09-21 21:31

    Only God knows who are his!

      OldNick - 2014-09-23 20:11

      And does he occasionally like to let buildings fall down on them and squash them? He could at least have warned the good profit or someone there beforehand, or does he just perhaps have a wicked sense of humour? I would prefer not to know or be known by such a wicked and cruel deity thank you.

  • Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-21 21:33

    What i want to know; TB is going to support the families who lost their love ones?

      Vuyile Vuyi - 2014-09-21 22:46

      did he kill their loved ones?? don't try to be funny, idiot

      Sim Youngmind Mtukwana - 2014-09-23 09:01

      oh yes he killed them indirect.........

  • Leon E Young - 2014-09-21 21:33

    The eternal curse of man-religion!!!

  • Gerhard Uys - 2014-09-21 21:34

    You sound like a sincere and reliable person. If this article is true then sigh God help us. So tired of such hypocrisy feeding off people's fickle beliefs. Flip man.

  • Danielle van Wyk - 2014-09-21 21:36

    But he died in the end?

  • Dean Isaacs - 2014-09-21 21:42

    There's a reason no faith healer in the world has ever healed an amputee, that is, prayed for a missing limb to grow back, and the limb has returned. The reason is faith healingnis a con.

  • Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-21 21:44

    This man had millions collect from the poor; he must pay condolences to the families who are in need. What goes up comes down, if really is a man of GOD.

  • sizakele.mthembu.18 - 2014-09-21 21:46

    Stop writing nonsense about the Man of God, if you don't believe in him just keep your mouth shut and live other people who are his followers to keep on doing so. Don't speak for us.

      Yandisa Mtanyana - 2014-09-21 21:58

      Man of which god again?

      David van Tonder - 2014-09-21 22:02

      The problem Sizakele is that this man and others like him uses these stunts to trick susceptible people into beliving that he can perform miricales. If he was a real prophet he would have spent his fortunes(15 million USD according to Forbes) on the poor and spent his time healing the sick.

      Harry Hluza Hlungwane - 2014-09-21 22:16

      Tell them Sizakele sikhathele ngamanyalaa abo labantu. Writing adulterated information May God reach to those who touch His anointed and harming His prophets!

      Johnny August - 2014-09-22 05:11

      stop being too angry

  • Michael Pitt - 2014-09-21 21:48

    What a utter load of rubbish

  • Bradly Minnaar - 2014-09-21 21:49

    Hey tb dnt worry bout the haters....they just doing what they do best

  • Hauke Liefferink - 2014-09-21 21:51

    Jesus and TB are equally fake. Neither believe in science. Neither could diagnose epilepsy. Mistook it for possession. Esqueleto from "Nacho Libre" was a greateran than the aforementioned. When he was quizzed about his faith, he stated clearly "I believe in science". Follow Esqueleto not fake prophets like Jesus or TB.

  • michael.allnutt.10 - 2014-09-21 21:52

    Hypnosis is the key here.....energy transference between the facilitator and subject is possible with or without verbal suggestion by the laying on of hands....mind over matter.....in some cases can work....in others not....depends.

  • michael.allnutt.10 - 2014-09-21 21:52

    Hypnosis is the key here.....energy transference between the facilitator and subject is possible with or without verbal suggestion by the laying on of hands....mind over matter.....in some cases can work....in others not....depends.

  • Michael Pitt - 2014-09-21 21:54

    I cannot believe people actually believe this, I'm actually at a loss for words, and they make millions off gullible and people that have no where else to turn

      Johan White - 2014-09-21 22:02

      Micheal looking for attention

      Michael Pitt - 2014-09-21 22:12

      You need to be healed Johan

  • Thabo Victor Ramakgaphola Buthani - 2014-09-21 21:54

    Mediated reality, so this article is sustpect because the angle is negative and seeks to discredit the prophet. Naysayers like you are not surprising.

  • Thabelo Shoeshoe Moshoeshoe - 2014-09-21 21:55

    they all fakes,no man can heal i tell u,especialy if hez nigerian,cmon ppl!

  • Swanepoel Remona - 2014-09-21 21:55

    If only life were that simple. God promised eternal life for the soul, he also gave man his own will. That is why He can save a soul, which is all he promised. If he could control the flesh, would he allow murder, war, child abuse and every other pain and suffering humans have to endure. No human can have the power of healing. Trust God for your spiritual needs and the educated for your human healing.

  • Robert Bissala - 2014-09-21 21:59

    just filed the empty space you bloody attention seekers. You better run a history of your own life this will be more interesting than speaking about someone greater that you

  • Lunga Ntulini - 2014-09-21 21:59

    Surely he gonna have more powers now that he made that sacrifice. ..

  • Jamill Ahmed - 2014-09-21 22:00

    It took one building and 80 something lives to expose this fruad to the world paying people to lie what a shame

      Stevo Zenith Sr Rayner - 2014-09-22 03:27

      What a shame really.

  • Paulson Meziri - 2014-09-21 22:02

    Unbelievers has succeeded in getting a great opportunity to discredit anything that has to do with Christianity. This same people who don't believe in anything still they don't have enough rather full of envy and jealous. Building can collapse anywhere in the world, Malaysia airline dissappear with nearly 300 people, the world did not crucified Malaysia govt. The writer is enemy of the faith.

      Iden Yu Msi - 2014-09-21 22:09

      I'm a Christian. Please don't associate rubbish with true Christianity. Its not unbelievers against Christians. Its unbelievers against false prophets. This writer is a 'protector' of true Christianity even if he might be an unbeliever. Christianity is truth - and what is not true will be shamed. When an unbeliever tries to shame fake Christianity , fake Christianity will be shamed. When an unbeliever tries to shame true Christianity, the unbeliever will be shamed. This proves the fake from real.

  • David Campbell - 2014-09-21 22:03

    Iyoo....batho ne

  • Tumi-Gladwin Nkoane - 2014-09-21 22:04

    TB JOSHUA DOES NOT TELL PEOPLE TO STOP MEDICATION AND YES SOME GET HEALED AND SOME DONT.....THATS BETWEEN GOD AND THE PERSONS FAITH....A MAN OF GOD CAN DECLARE YOU ARE HEALED BY FAITH BUT ONE CAN BE HEALED. I DONT UNDERSTAND YOU SIR, IS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING GOD CANNOT HEAL....WELL FOR SOME OF US HE HEALED US

      ThinkingApe - 2014-09-22 19:34

      ."WELL FOR SOME OF US HE HEALED US" Not of a dull brain he didn't.

  • Philip Zaayman - 2014-09-21 22:07

    Het julle niks beter om op 'n Sondagaand op News24 se "website" te plaas nie, nou "copy" julle maar die ou nuus wat ons al vanoggend in Rapport gelees het, hoe dom kan julle wees!

  • Ashley John Hattingh - 2014-09-21 22:07

    TB Joshua belongs behind bars

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 22:12

      All gospel peddlers belong behind bars. They are dope peddlers and their followers Jesus dope users belong in rehab.

      Vuyile Vuyi - 2014-09-21 22:55

      is it?? ohhh i forgot he is not white???

  • Harry Hluza Hlungwane - 2014-09-21 22:09

    Anyone sent by Satan will comment nonsense about men of God! This fake journalist kept quite all along and only thought of talking now? He's just like his demonic brother that claims TB Joshua bribed him and others. Sies man. You're disgusting parasites who want popularity at the expense of other people. May you quickly go rot in hell

      Karabo Mokubung - 2014-09-21 22:29

      I doubt if u know satan u talking about... I wonder why didnt god of TB Joshua just destroy this satan so that he stops sending people to comment about "man of god".

      Karabo Mokubung - 2014-09-21 22:31

      I doubt if u know satan u talking about... I wonder why didnt god of TB Joshua just destroy this satan so that he stops sending people to comment about "man of god".

      Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-21 22:50

      @Harry Hlungwane> You are still young boy, this is long way; stay calm; there's man of GOD and there's an massenger of satan; you can't distinguish between the two, if you not dwell by CHRIST. Cause an angel of satan came as angel of light quoting the very same word of GOD; but slightly.Read with MATTHEW 4

      Robert Magaya Cele - 2014-09-21 22:58

      That is what rudeness you are taught in your demonic church.be patient son; allow the Word of GOD to penetrate your hard and stiffness head. Only GOD who heal people not superstitions.

  • Philip Zaayman - 2014-09-21 22:10

    Het julle niks beter om op 'n Sondagaand op julle "website" te plaas nie, nou "copy" julle 'n berig wat ons al vanoggend in Rapport gelees het, hoe dom kan mens wees!!

  • Harry Hluza Hlungwane - 2014-09-21 22:14

    Was death never set that people are mortal ? I have personally seen people prayed for from different sickness and got their healing through their faith! If you approach God without faith its meaningless to God n yourself

  • sthembize.zulu - 2014-09-21 22:15

    SA also had a prophet Kobus Van Rensburg, an Afrikaner to whom people flocked to be healed from aids and everything else.

      Michael Wingnut Campbell - 2014-09-22 08:17

      Ya it's quite funny that when when Kobus had cancer, instead of praying to God, he flew around the world to the best medical experts money could buy to try cure his cancer and thankfully it didn't work. Good riddance to him and hopefully TB Joshua will follow soon.

  • Ruth Clemente Marais - 2014-09-21 22:16

    Not all people can and will be healed.........ONLY faith and God can heal people. You are so right Tumi.

  • Bento Maepa - 2014-09-21 22:17

    People stand up and claim certain powers, people stand up and say certain things without stopping to think. When circumstances change and they are proven wrong and when what they claimed or said is held before their faces they will cook up the most unbelievable excuses ever heard before - just to save face. Not to mention their overzealous followers - those will kill for them.

  • Johann Enslin - 2014-09-21 22:20

    The sheep wil believe what they want.

  • Kelvin Phiri - 2014-09-21 22:21

    I certainly believe that faith is a sensitive issue that needs to be handled with care, Don't discourage those who could reach fo their spiritual hunger, if you're satanic please stay awy from TB Joshua business. Conflicting reports are that some people are healed and others are worthy after seeking devine intervention from the Prophet. Who says the truth is not known, leave the faithfuls to meet him, you who are pagans stay away from him fair & square,

  • xirhandziwa.guwela - 2014-09-21 22:25

    God gave everyone a free will to choose. No1 is forced to believe in God through Christ who strengthen us. People who believe in God and His servants whom He send to earth to show the way shall not perish. Time will tell if Prophet TB Joshua is a fake or not and trust me it won't take long. Please stop persecuting the servant of God. Don't persecute n touch the God's anointed one. I choose die believing that TB Joshua is a true servant of God and that everything is possible through Christ than to believe in muti or any other spirits that are not through Jesus. The last week Friday happening gave those who didn't know how to attack TB Joshua an opportunity to throw insults and attacks at Him. God shall vindicate him.

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2014-09-22 05:17

      you too stupid to understand and vulnerable. if he is so holy why did he offer journalists money to not report about people who died at his church. anyone who biys people is evil in the eyes of God.

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2014-09-22 05:18

      you too stupid to understand and vulnerable. if he is so holy why did he offer journalists money to not report about people who died at his church. anyone who buys people is evil in the eyes of God.

  • Ruth Clemente Marais - 2014-09-21 22:25

    People expect to be healed by God, but then forget about God. Have faith in God.....not only when in trouble. God is always there.

  • Ruth Clemente Marais - 2014-09-21 22:26

    Well said Harry.