Libya's NTC pledges 'moderate' Islamic rule

2011-09-13 09:37

Tripoli - Libya's new leaders pledged "moderate" Islamic rule even as their fighters were accused by Amnesty International on Tuesday of committing possible war crimes.

A defiant Muammar Gaddafi, meanwhile, vowed from hiding to battle on until victory as his forces launched surprise fight backs on three fronts.

Interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil received a hero's welcome when he made a public speech in Tripoli's main square late on Monday.

Thousands celebrated last month's fall of the Gaddafi regime in Martyrs' Square, two days after Abdel Jalil, the head of the National Transitional Council (NTC), arrived in Tripoli from Benghazi in the east.

Moderate Islam would be the main source of legislation in post-Gaddafi Libya, he told the crowd.

"We will not accept any extremist ideology, on the right or the left. We are a Muslim people, for a moderate Islam, and we will stay on this road," he said.

In a new report released on Tuesday, Amnesty International accused Gaddafi’s regime of crimes against humanity but also said NTC fighters had committed possible war crimes.

While the London-based rights group's report consisted mainly of damning examples of violations by Gaddafi’s regime, it said the NTC appeared unwilling to hold its fighters accountable for human rights violations.

Amnesty said in the first days of the uprising against Gaddafi’s rule groups of protesters killed a number of captured soldiers and suspected mercenaries.

Serious human rights abuses

"Some were beaten to death, at least three were hanged, and others were shot dead after they had been captured or had surrendered, the report, "The Battle for Libya - Killings, Disappearances and Torture," said.

"The NTC is facing a difficult task of reigning in opposition fighters and vigilante groups responsible for serious human rights abuses, including possible war crimes but has shown unwillingness to hold them accountable," the report said.

But Amnesty acknowledged that the war crimes allegedly committed by the now governing opposition were of a "smaller scale" than those carried out by Gaddafi’s regime, which it says may be responsible for crimes against humanity.

Gaddafi, meanwhile, in a statement read out on Syria-based Arrai Oruba television, vowed to defeat those behind the "coup" that ousted him.

"It is not possible to give Libya to the colonialists again," the one-time strongman said.

"All that remains for us is the struggle until victory and the defeat of the coup," added the former leader who has gone underground since Tripoli fell to rebel fighters late last month.

On the battlefield, Gaddafi’s remaining forces launched ferocious counterattacks on Monday on the oil refinery town of Ras Lanuf in the east, on the road towards Gaddafi’s hometown of Sirte, and at Bani Walid southeast of the capital Tripoli.

  • Ferger-Burger - 2011-09-13 09:50

    How do the words "moderate" and "islam" get grouped together? That's an oxymoron.

      Buic Unix - 2011-09-13 09:55

      cruel kindness :D

      Julian - 2011-09-13 10:21

      Go to Malaysia or Turkey, and you'll get your answer

      Tolerant - 2011-09-13 10:34

      We have many moderate, islam here in our country.

      whereu - 2011-09-13 10:50

      Agree with you Ferger-Burger. A few extracts from the Koran are included below to demonstrate your point. Many claim that there are moderate Muslims, and this, IMO opinion is true. However they are moderate because the don't follow Islam's directives, not because they do. We should not judge people by what they claim to believe, but by their actions. On Quran 48:29 - "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained" Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      Valis - 2011-09-13 13:15

      News24 is lying once again. Go find Mustafa Abdul Jalil's REAL statement, not the watered-down version proffered here. He states explicitly that Libya will be run under SHARIA law! Do you get that all you rebel lovers, SHARIA law. So sig and all the other Al Qaeda/Rebel supporters, you are supporters of the most brutal, bloodthirsty tenets of Islam. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:44

      Valis, you're being an illogical nut still. You supported Gadhafi. So what exactly are you saying? As usual you're not making sense. All human being deserve a voice (not a gun). The right to vote in free and fair elections, protected by a bill of rights enforced by an independent judiciary, should eliminate the extreme and cruel aspects of Sharia. We may very well witness the rise of a modernized and more humane version of Sharia. It's hardly likely that Libyan women, who make up 50% of the population and were instrumental in overthrowing Gadhafi and his apprentice sons, will accept anything less. The Libyan people will decide, not a brutal, maniacal decimator who you loved and supported.

      Messenger - 2011-09-13 16:35

      Slg, Valis is right. Just look at Iran. It went from dictatorship directly to a theocracy with Shariah law implemented. No democracy. "The right to vote in free and fair elections, protected by a bill of rights enforced by an independent judiciary" - Is this something Iranians enjoy? "We may very well witness the rise of a modernized and more humane version of Sharia." - Nah, don't think this is possible at all. Do you really know what Islam is about? Just note, I'm not a Gaddafi supporter at all, but I do not foresee any democracy for Arab states, maybe "democracy" yes.

      slg - 2011-09-13 17:56

      I hear you Messenger. But Iran is a corrupt theocracy run by a few hundred thugs who rig elections and brutalize the population. It's not a good example, for sure. I really feel new, better ways are going to be put in place when it comes to government in the Middle East, better than many places in the world, better in some ways even that the oldest democracies. Have you heard the voices of the new generation who are driving the changes? They're awesome, inspiring, Soulful, brilliant, just, real. It is highly unlikely they're going to allow anything but what they want. They've just overthrown three dictators. They have immense power and momentum.

  • Buic Unix - 2011-09-13 09:53

    It is clear that the imperialist are waging war against Libya, just like they accused Iran, Iraq and the palestines, etc fro crimes they did not commit. Making the victim the criminal and the criminal the victim thus painting a picture to give us the wrong idea. Let Libya deal with their issue the way they see fit.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-13 10:34

      So Gaddafi was a saint? I don't think so.

      Buic Unix - 2011-09-13 10:42

      Tolerant>>Who is a saint ??

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:46

      You've obviously missed the whole Arab Spring to date by blinding yourself with the victimhood of "imperialist" thought. Are the Arab League and Turkey "imperialists" too? They pl;aged a major role in the Intervention in Libya. You don't understand what is really happening.

      Libertador - 2011-09-13 15:45

      Who is this Arab league slg, you have avoided this question many times?

      slg - 2011-09-13 18:01

      The Arab League is 350 million people of the Middle East. The new liberated Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, one hundred million strong, are part of the League.

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-09-13 10:29

    Funny how dictators and tyrants all spin the same BS when there's a revolution against them: "don't give the country back to the colonials"! It's not a colonial take-over, it's a revolution, Mr Gadaffi. And you lost it.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-13 11:18

      What exactly did he do wrong? As far as I know, these "revolutionaries" are borderline fundamentalists. You see dictator, you assume "evil bastard". The US is a democracy and well .. ahem .. slippery slopes are mighty slippery.

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 11:24

      @werner.smidt Another clear-thinking commenter on news24 WOW. There is hope for the human race after all.

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:47

      Werner, well at least you admit you don't know. How about Googling "Gadhafi" for five minutes.

  • TRiP - 2011-09-13 10:34

    In all countries, State and Church should be separated. If not, it becomes a horrible cocktail as history has proven.

      MagdaKus - 2011-09-13 10:55

      Where do you draw the line at what is "church"? Ideology like Stalinism/Communism, Fascism, and others have been just as cruel & destructive & immoderate (all I am saying do not limit your concernt to theist ideologies- humans will use any "higher" excuse to justtify what they're doing wrong...

      whereu - 2011-09-13 10:56

      Agree TRiP, but I doubt that this will happen in an Islamic country. Islam, IMO, is a religion as well as a political system that has practically no tolerance of those who are no followers – they call them Infidels.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-13 11:19

      I think there's even a text in the Bible that strongly suggests it.

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:49

      Provided there is a clear bill of rights and independent judiciary, a religious theocracy can work, I believe.

  • betha - 2011-09-13 10:38

    i smell a genocide

  • Illuminated - 2011-09-13 10:44

    wow great track record to start with not even in charge yet and already they're accused of war crimes... yip this is a better alternative to Gadaffi... funny , they said how long ago that they "have Gadaffi surrounded" and that "Lybia will be theirs in 3 day" and still no Gadaffi to be found.. shows you how western media can lie so blatantly... if they lie about that imagine what else they're lieing about...

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:51

      You're hardly a bell-weather for humane government Illuminated. Unless you've changed, you supported Gadhafi and his brutal sons, would continue to deny Libyans the right to vote, and believe Osama Bin Laden was made-up by the US. Talk about delusional and wrong.

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 14:44

      @slg Osama Bin Laden was very real - nobody says the US made him up - BUT - the US did make things up about him, just like how you seem to make things up. Talk about delusional and just plain stupid.

      slg - 2011-09-13 14:57

      Jasun, Illuminated believes he was made up, as do others on this forum and elsewhere. They post regularly here.

      Anton - 2011-09-13 17:09

      Illuminated< Very few believed that this gaddafi guy was such a lousy bastard , to tell his supporters to fight till the bitter end, end than himself and his rotten son , go and hide in a hole. But, don't worry, they will find these scumbags, dead or alive1!!!!

      tryanything - 2011-09-13 17:28

      Has wayne caught pigspotter yet?

      Illuminated - 2011-09-14 12:41

      slg you are proof of how people will make up complete lies about a totally different topic to some how prove a point about another topic. pls find posts where i said bin laden was made up? as Jasun says delusional and just plain stupid.. just to add, please explain what brutal things they did as i dont see free education, healthcare, housing, no tax, no debt, free farm land, getting paid to study etc as brutality? plus they were given the option to vote but dont want it as Gadaffi would bre voted back into power and thus not giving the world bank and other the opportunity to destroy Lybia. but you are too dumb and brainwashed by CNN to think for yourself

  • stephen scott - 2011-09-13 10:54

    A moderate Muslim? Is that someone who half believes the Quran?

      whereu - 2011-09-13 11:04

      Stephen Scott, its someone who claims to be Muslim but doesn't follow many of its directives, especially those that express hatred to Infidels. That is those who don't suffer from Infidelophobia.

      tryanything - 2011-09-13 17:29

      You get to keep your head but not your hands that it??

  • Joe Soap - 2011-09-13 11:00

    It's sad to see how full of ignorant racists this site is, and in this day and age. Every hateful and obnoxious comment in an article gets hundreds of "likes". As a "white" south african myself i just feel embarrassed and disgusted day after day. No wonder this country is not progressing as it should. Speaks volumes of the readership of news24 itself and its moderation

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 11:21

      Joe Soap - you my friend, are a friend indeed. A clear-thinking white-commenter on News24 (which is pretty hard to come by). It's people like you, that prevent me from becoming a racist.

      Ferger-Burger - 2011-09-13 11:36

      @Joe Soap.....where do you see anything racist in this commentary. Is it racist to question a religion?....I know quite a few "white" muslims...along with "coloured"; "african"; "asian"; "hispanic" etc. maybe do a bit of research before you pass comment. It's your type who perpetuate racial stereotypes. You lose.

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 11:41

      Ferger-Burger It's not so much the questioning as it is the ignorance and non-contextual thinking.

      Ferger-Burger - 2011-09-13 11:49

      @JasunX....@JoeSoap clearly referred to race. That is what I responded to. Don't try deflect his/her total lack of knowledge by skirting the issue here.

      daaivark - 2011-09-13 11:52

      YES, Jasun and Joe. Excellently stated. Ferger-Burger: The "I know....." attempt at defence against intolerance is an old trick and has no basis in logic. There are various degrees of knowing, to start with. Knowing the man who works in your garden in no way makes you understand his life or empathise with his position. I know many people whom I don't like, unfortunately. So "knowing" someone 1) does not make you an expert on his/her circumstances, nor 2) does it make you any more or less tolerant.

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 11:53

      @Ferger-Burger The Word Racist: is often used to define people who, not only have a problem with another race, but who have a problem with the beliefs of another person in general. That's why I said, contextual-thinking.

      JasunX - 2011-09-13 11:56

      @daaivark - thanks mate, nice to know we can agree on certain things :P

  • Crispy_Duck - 2011-09-13 12:53

    They're going to face the same issues that all liberation governments face. I wonder if they will be able to make the transition or fail like so many others before them. It will be interesting to watch Libya for the next few years....

  • Valis - 2011-09-13 13:15

    News24 is lying once again. Go find Mustafa Abdul Jalil's REAL statement, not the watered-down version proffered here. He states explicitly that Libya will be run under SHARIA law! Do you get that all you rebel lovers, SHARIA law. So sig and all the other Al Qaeda/Rebel supporters, you are supporters of the most brutal, bloodthirsty tenets of Islam. Hope you're proud of yourselves.

      slg - 2011-09-13 13:52

      No need to obsessively keep posting this Valis, It's been dealt with the first time.

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