NTC announces Muammar Gaddafi's death

2011-10-20 15:19

Benghazi - Veteran Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi has been killed by new regime forces in their final assault on the last pocket of resistance in his hometown Sirte, a National Transitional Council spokesperson said.

"We announce to the world that Gaddafi has been killed at the hands of the revolution," Abdel Hafez Ghoga said.

"It is an historic moment. It is the end of tyranny and dictatorship. Gaddafi has met his fate," he added.

A video circulating among NTC fighters in Sirte showed mobile phone footage of what appeared to be Gaddafi's bloodied corpse.

In the grainy images seen by an AFP correspondent, a large number of NTC fighters are seen yelling in chaotic scenes around a khaki-clad body which has blood oozing from the face and neck.

The body is then dragged off by the fighters and loaded in the back of a pick-up truck.

A stills photograph taken on a mobile phone and obtained by AFP showed Gaddafi heavily bloodied but it was not clear from the picture whether he was alive or dead at the time.

In the grainy image, Gaddafi is seen with blood-soaked clothing and blood daubed across his face.

  • Motho - 2011-10-20 15:21

    The mighty has fallen?

      Yusuf - 2011-10-20 15:47

      good riddance

      Nicholas - 2011-10-20 15:47

      Now for his part of the deal...

      Nicholas - 2011-10-20 15:50


      George - 2011-10-20 16:57

      The death of Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussein, Eugene Terreblanche and other bullies who oppress and preach open hatred of other human beings should serve a notice to the remaining fools that at the end democracy, human rights, freedom wins. All racist oppressors meet a bloody end.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 18:49

      Gaddafi was still alive when they took that picture of him you see above.The Rebels then put his live body onto a vehicle and then dragged him through the steets of Sirte.These gruesome images are been shown on almost all the News Channels.A sad end to a very cruel Dictator hey.Question though is who do the West see as their "friend" in the remaining Dictators that's left in the world?Gaddafi did take great strides forward towards making things right with the West after being a pariah state for most of his 42 year rule.Ultimately it didn't help him as it was the indigenous people of Libya that wanted him removed from power we are told and not the West or NATO.So that's what they say on the news and whether that is true or not remains to be seen.

  • Sharon - 2011-10-20 15:23

    The world is a better place for it.

  • Christo - 2011-10-20 15:24

    Justice takes a while but it was served at last.

  • tom.robbins - 2011-10-20 15:25

    Good riddance and may a few other nasty old bastard dictators meet him in hell soon. Bob.

  • Jonathan - 2011-10-20 15:25

    Mugabe should take heed!

  • Vusi - 2011-10-20 15:26

    Watch out Dictators and anyone one around here thinking that you will ever do to us what Gaddafi has done to his people!We are going to free Africa of these monsters. I hope you are reading this Julius Malema.

      Walter - 2011-10-20 15:32

      Well said, Vusi. It was a long time coming and at last he has met his end after all the evil deeds he has committed. I'm sure that this will be a lesson to many dictators and despots the whole world over who've been there too long! Mugabe is just lucky that Zimbabweans are peace loving people and have put up with his dictates for so long now!

      Vusi - 2011-10-20 15:46

      @Walter. Please don't get me started on Mugabe. I think I'm stupid at times because I can't figure out why Africa is putting up with him. Zimbabwe is a beautiful country and to sit and watch the destruction at his hands is making me furious.

      Sarah - 2011-10-20 15:52

      Don't be daft he can't read

      Vusi - 2011-10-20 15:53

      @Marco. I hope I'm not reading your post wrong, but if I'm right then I have news for you. Malema is a calculated conniver. He knows if he gets the masses behind him with whatever rubbish he preaches to them, he will get the country handed to him on a silver platter.

      Mark - 2011-10-20 16:00

      @Vusi respect for your comments, I support them wholeheartedly. Julius is after power for his own personal gain; he is using the masses to get teh support he needs. He will probably be the worst thing that could happen to our economy. @marco: you're a complete idjiot that whilst make some pertanent points are unaware of the overall corruption that the goverenment of the day, and the one that has been of the day since 1994 (that's 17 years) has been unable to address the socio-economic situation. It's easy to blame the previous regime, especially when you are unable to address the problems cause of lack of skills, complete ineptness, and the fact that through corruption, 40% of your salary goes to keeping them in a lifestyle and not towards spending that would solve the problems. R400million spent on renovations for our president could've built quite a few RDP houses. So think next time and look at what the problem is and not at the so called inequalities; welcome to a capatilistic society.

      Vusi - 2011-10-20 16:10

      @Mark. I totally agree. Me being born 21 years ago, the whole inequalities of the past isn't going to put food on my table. The past has nothing to do with my life, and I say this with all the respect to the freedom fighters. This is NOW and I better study and make sure I excel because I'm not going to sit around in overloaded taxis waiting for a corrupt government building me a RDP house. I'll buy my own house in Sandhurst within the next 10 years.

      George - 2011-10-20 17:01

      cheap armchair sellout. Malema is not anyone's authority, unless you feel like appeasing your racist handlers. Shamefull

      jomardl - 2011-10-20 17:05

      @Vusi Agreed 100% bi but Marco does have a point... dictators and madmen may get into power by manipulation and conniving but ultimately the people have to be pretty desperate and marginalized to fall for it. This is how Hitler got voted into power after WW1. The masses need real solutions if they are not going to fall for monsters like Malema his TOXIC demagoguery.

      Denise - 2011-10-20 17:24

      @Vusi - excellent! So good to hear from someone with resolve and such an amazing attitude. No matter how much has been taken from you, one thing that cannot be taken from you is your attitude. Life can throw you many circumstances, but how you react to it is still your choice. A saying goes,” Attitude is the way you mentally look at the world around you. It is how you view your environment and your future. It is the focus you develop toward life itself.” William James, a philosopher of the early 20th century, said, “It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult undertaking which, more than anything else, will determine its successful outcome.” Respect Vusi. Ten thumbs up for the way you choose to look at life. Like I will always say, it’s all about the ATTITUDE... And with that attitude alone, you can do so much.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 17:56

      Question is though:What fuels Malema's outbursts? The answer seem to be the Inequalities in South Africa.For a country that boast to have the continent’s most advanced economy and yet there are millions that still live in tin shacks which are scraps of plastic and wood laid out on their roofs to help protect against the elements which were setup in the Apartheid Era Governance but still operative as we speak with majority black South Africans,most of who are jobless and bereft of the most basic of services! Malema,the loudmouth rabble-rouser that he is,has sadly manage to refocus attention on the myriads of social and economic problems facing a country like South Africa where white people still dominate the economy while almost half of the population–the predominantly black people–still live below the poverty line.Malema outburst has since raised the questions about where South Africa and its ruling ANC are headed,more than a year after the nation basked in its successful hosting of the football World Cup. Growing frustration over poor services and the lack of economic transformation have supplanted those FIFA Worldcup successes.If youth unemployment,poverty and inequality goes forward unfixed,then corporate South Africa could head down the path of populism or popular opinion amongt the masses.That sure can't be good for the rest of us,the minority that is.Social instability in any country is never a good thing. Common sense should dictate that you’ve got to address

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 17:59

      poverty,inequality and unemployment in the country otherwise all the gains of the past 17 years will begin to unravel in the "rainbow nation" that has been the model to anyone else to follow of a peaceful transition from oppressive past to a vibrant democracy. The ANC has some real issues coming up.They hold their policy conference in June 2012 where the findings into the merits of mine nationalisation will be put on the table.And the afterwards in December 2012 the ANC will hold its five-yearly elective conference where Zuma will no doubt have to face a leadership challenge,with Mr Malema as the public face of those plotting against him. At the moment South Africa looks like country that's drifting without clear direction as its social pressures seem to mount higher and higher.Nobody in the ANC Elite Leadership is putting their foot down as it were which gives Mr Malema the scope he needs to launch his diatribes. South Africa has 2.8m people between 18 and 25 years of age that are jobless.Which put youth unemployment at 50% of the total that's unemployed.A breathing ground for Malema that is to get his messages across.The kind of information Malema will gladly run with as it takes his fancy bigtime. In 1995 the median per capita expenditure among black South Africans stood at R333($43)a month,compared with R3,443 for whites.By 2011,the figure for blacks was a bare R454 while white spending had risen to R5,668,says the National Planning Commission.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 18:00

      As long as the divisions in society remain,then what Malema preaches are unlikely to disappear.In spite of the ANC's affirmative action initiatives,black people –more than 85 per cent of the population–hold just 17% of all top management posts,while white people have 73%, according to the Commission on Employment Equity. Apartheid Era "Bantu education" system,which excluded black people from all but low and semi-skilled labour,is a particularly damaging legacy which gets blame for this wide divide in the status quo:South Africa’s education performance lags behind its poorer neighbours-PERIOD!Time unfortunately is running out for the ANC as 1million students exit the school system annually,with 65% of them without a final certificate and few with prospects of ever finding jobs. "The hourglass of patience is running out," says Martin Kingston,chief executive of Rothschild South Africa."We’ve got a situation where we have growing discontent among unemployed youth and swelling ranks of a dissatisfied population who anticipated benefits that have not been realised." Take Stjwetla township for example.Ten years ago electricity poles were planted but there is still no power supply,water still has to be lugged from outside taps and the residents speak of the years they have waited to get properly housed. Stjwetla has 1.2m households that lives in 2,700 "informal settlements". Again talking points for MALEMA!

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 18:04

      @Mark The Washington Post newspaper: South Africa loses billions of dollars due to negligence and corruption by the ANC Government. "A South African government minister reportedly spends the equivalent of nearly $70,000 of taxpayer money on a trip to Switzerland to visit his girlfriend in jail who is facing drug charges,then tells his president that he was on official business.He claims to have been on sick leave since February.Another minister and the police chief were implicated in an unlawful deal to lease police buildings at inflated prices,which then cost taxpayers more than $250 million. These incidents pale beside the sprawling,routine corruption and negligence in South African governance exposed by Willie Hofmeyr,head of an anti-corruption agency called the Special Investigating Unit.He told Parliament that around 20% of all government procurements,or about $3.8 billion,go missing each year-most of it stolen and the rest untraceable because of negligence.The South African government barely blinked since that report was made. Hofmeyr is currently investigating more than 900 cases of questionable contracts and conflicts of interest,valued at more than $635 million.The worst theft,he said,takes place at the local level,where there wasn't that much oversight. Recommendations were made to Zuma to act against corrupt ministers.And what is Zuma's response to all that?A presidential spokesman said that Zuma would respond to the recommendations when he is ready.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 18:06

      @Mark From the New York Times newspaper comes this: South Africa Slips From the Moral High Ground says ALAN COWELL. "South Africa has never liked to see itself in any way as run-of-the-mill,instead preferred to cast itself as aloof from the corruption, strife and misrule so often associated with the continent to its north.Hence Thabo Mbeki's calling the country's first democratic election in 1994 as "an African Renaissance". However South Africa have become a different under its newest coterie of the powerful around President Jacob Zuma and has since lost its claim to the moral high ground.Archbishop Desmond M.Tutu, said recently of the ANC "Mr.Zuma,you and your government don’t represent me...You represent your own interests." Corruption and patronage have replaced principle and promised transparency in South Africa.Author Njabulo S. Ndebele wrote "South Africa have become corrupted by the attractions of instant wealth, reflecting a potentially catastrophic collapse in the once cohesive understanding of the post-apartheid project as embodied in our constitution.The ANC functions as a state within the state,and it thinks it is the state." Dr.R.Simangaliso Kumalo,the head of the School of Religion and Theology at the University of KwaZulu-Natal,wrote:"Pretoria seemed to side with dictators like President Robert G.Mugabe in Zimbabwe or Col.Muammar Qaddafi in Libya blending its debts to those who supported it in the liberation struggle with a hard-nosed pragmatism.

      marco.tomaso - 2011-10-20 18:08

      @Mark "South Africa's ultimate crime -the cover-up" by the BBC's News reporter in Africa,Andrew Harding. It's not the crime - it's the cover-up. What was true for Richard Nixon three decades ago seems to be equally applicable in South Africa today. As the establishment here sweats beneath a particularly cumbersome stack of scandals, what is most striking is not the alleged crimes themselves but the nonchalance with which the accused have shrugged off the very notion that they might be publicly accountable for their actions. President Jacob Zuma - his in-tray piled high with damning reports - seems reluctant to force the issue. So we have the board of Cricket South Africa - gloved and heavily padded - seemingly preoccupied with internal discipline rather than external transparency. Then there's the extraordinary swagger shown by Co-operative Governance Minister Sicelo Shiceka as he confronts a mountain of breathtaking evidence compiled by the country's public protector. He's accused, among other things, of flying to Switzerland at the taxpayer's expense to visit his convicted drug-dealer girlfriend in prison. And we have the Police Commissioner and the Minister for Public Works. And the list goes on. Due process must be followed of course, and the presumption of innocence honoured.

      Fanie - 2011-10-20 18:13

      Indeed - Bells Vusi?

      Vusi - 2011-10-20 18:28

      @Denise.Thank you very much for your inspirational words. It means a lot to me.

      Vusi - 2011-10-20 18:33

      @Fanie. Hahahahaha, my father will kill me if he finds me anywhere near Bells! Whenever he gets hold of me I get a sermon about booze and girls!

  • Lisa - 2011-10-20 15:27

    News 24 needs to check their facts before they post their articles. They are not yet sure if he is dead. The guardian is a more reliable source.

      Sganja - 2011-10-20 15:30

      I agree....

      Craig - 2011-10-20 15:31

      News 24 is only reporting on the statements given to them by their sources. So no where is news 24 saying he is dead. The NTC says he is, news24 is only passing it on

      Gilbert - 2011-10-20 15:33

      Go to, and verify also look at the picture

      Willie - 2011-10-20 15:37

      All the networks around the world confirmed including the ever reliable Aljazeera

      Mzamo - 2011-10-20 15:43

      Then what you doing on News24 if your reliable source is The Guardian?

  • El-Hajj - 2011-10-20 15:29

    Only leaders who are determined to live for their people are prepared to die for their people. A noble human life does not end on earth with death. It continues in the minds and the deeds of friends, as well as in the thoughts and the activity of the nation.

      brian.korobele - 2011-10-20 16:04

      Well said el-haji if he is really dead he died like a soldier (:,all I can say "It's better to die for an idea that will live, than to live for an idea that will die" by Stive Biko

      Smell - 2011-10-20 16:18

      He died for killing his own people for demanding democracy. The idea he died for is "myself in power forever". And he did not die fighting - he died fleeing in a convoy. Hardly laudable yoo idiots.

      jomardl - 2011-10-20 17:12

      @ Brian - No man. Quoting Biko in tribute to Ghadafi? To say that Steve Biko would not have approved of Moamar is an understatement.

  • Themba - 2011-10-20 15:37

    How was he killed? Was it in self-defence or in cold blood? I hope it was the former as he should have been given a chance to talk. My mother taught me not to rejoice when someone is killed as all of us will die one day.

      Yusuf - 2011-10-20 15:59

      he was a dictator.he killed thousands of people.what are you going on about

      Grant - 2011-10-20 19:20

      from what I saw on BBC he was captured allive and must have been killed afterwards.

  • michael.fysh - 2011-10-20 15:38

    Are you listening Uncle Bob?

  • nickdfrost - 2011-10-20 15:38

    Cool story, bro.

  • steve.dupreez - 2011-10-20 15:40

    Okay - so he's dead and the revolution is over. Now comes the fight for control of government (no - it will not be a democracy)and the oil riches. The revolution might be over but now the cicil war begins - vry sad.

  • Iwan - 2011-10-20 15:41

    That guy who took the photo better go and charge his cell, it's about to die. Now NATO and the West must step back and let the people of Libya decide the next step.

  • dikotsim - 2011-10-20 15:42

    Madman of Africa is dead. May he finally find peace finally....

  • lulama - 2011-10-20 15:42

    He will be missed dearly. Despite his shortcomings this man did a lot for Africa. RIP Colonel Gadaffi.

      El-Hajj - 2011-10-20 15:47

      $400 million plus of annual rental to a French corporation that was renting its satellite to the African continent. Gaddafi did put a lot of western businesses out of business in this continent. He will surely be missed by Africa.

      Rob - 2011-10-20 15:51

      Such as what? Conflict, corruption, oppression?? I might agree with you if you are talking about all the negative things he has done for the continent. Trying to find a few positive things he has done and so far.... nothing

      Leané - 2011-10-20 16:02

      Wow, Lulama... What, exactly, did Gadaffi do for Africa other than supply weapons of mass destruction to terrorists, traded in chemical weapons, led wars where he committed genocide and took over the economy so that he and his family could live in riches while his people suffered? Under his regime, Libya was even called a pariah state (one whose conduct is considered to be out of line with international norms of behavior). AND the guy gave refuge to dictator Idi Amin in 1979. I mean, seriously!

      Joseph - 2011-10-20 18:42

      El-Hajj-so it was all about western business than serving the people of Libya.By the way Europe is reeling from reccesion my the capture of Libya might give them a lifeline as they are going to loot Libyan oil like what they did in Iraq.Gaddafi was bad news but the west is using him as an excuse to attack and capture Libya for oil.The Arab world should be very careful,at the end they will find themselves without a place they will call home.Is America and Europe going to came out of recession this leaves a lot to be desired.Good luck NTC and your European partners.

      Jannie - 2011-10-21 12:10

      lulama. You sound like a dictator for making that statement. Your hero aided in supplying weapons and combat training to certain young idiots in SA and they thought it would never be known. WAKE-UP!! It really looks like you cannot wait for someone like gaddafi to take over and rule in SA.

  • Mzamo - 2011-10-20 15:44 out!!!!

  • Lynnae - 2011-10-20 15:48

    Is it really necessary putting such a graphic image on the news24 homepage?

      Yusuf - 2011-10-20 15:56

      lol.should they put a nsvl sign up

  • Mpho - 2011-10-20 15:48

    Not a big loss

  • Harry - 2011-10-20 15:51

    I am not a fan of Gaddafi, however, I do not think that the NTC are angels as well. Most of them served under Gadaffi and switched sides to keep their positions. I would have liked to see him captured and faced a trial in the world court. Also, the NTC should also be summoned to the World court for their transgressions of Human rights. Many of you will not like what I am saying, however, I have to wonder if Libya is going to be better off under the NTC. I hope that things will work out for them.

  • jean.hagen - 2011-10-20 15:51

    How can people thumbs down this. Its great news. He killed a lot of people and doesn't deserve to be even called a human being. If this is true, i hope its a new dawn for the country and joyfulness beginnings.

  • Jay - 2011-10-20 15:53

    RIP COLONEL, people are so quick to judge and condemn coz they lack knowledge, this guy regardless of how bad he became did a lot for the libyan people, but the moment he annonces that Africa needs one currency which ofcourse will be backed by the resources in Africa he is quickly labelled a dictator, the regime the colonel removed was killing people and Libya was one of the poorest and most dangerous places to live in, he on the other hand provided free education, free medication and stability but offcourse and libya was the only country in africa which achieved first world gdp, actually better than some first world countries.

      Rory - 2011-10-20 16:12

      Quickly labelled a dictator?? Wtf? The guy has been linked to international terrorism since the 70's! Go spew your crap to the families of the lockerbie bombings and the Munich bombings and see where you end up! He provided all the these wonderful free services because of the vast oil deposits that were found conveniently as he forced his way into power - very dictator-like. Shut up Jay, he was a horrible piece of crap and deserved to die like a pig in the street!!! RIP, ghtooiey! Rest in pieces you bastard!

  • Jay - 2011-10-20 15:57

    THIS WAS LIBYA UNDER GADAFFI, NO OTHER COUNTRY IN AFRICA HAS ACHIEVED THIS OR IS EVEN CLOSE TO DOING THAT, BUT OFCOURSE PROPAGANDA PREVAILS. WHEN I WAS in High School in America they were a lot of Libyans at the International school who had all thier fees paid for by the Libyan state and they had spending money including holiday options during summer vacation and they were from poor families in Libya. • GDP per capita - $ 14,192. • for each family member in the state pays $ 1,000 a year subsidy. • Unemployment - 730 $. • Salary Nurse - $ 1,000. • For every newborn is paid $ 7,000. • Suite as a gift $ 64,000 to buy an apartment. • The discovery of personal business one-time financial assistance - $ 20,000. • Major taxes and levies prohibited. • Education and medicine are free. • Education and Internships abroad - at government expense. • Chain stores for large families with symbolic prices of basic foodstuffs. • For the sale of products past their expiry date - large fines and detention units spetspolitsii. • Some pharmacies - with free dispensing. • counterfeiting of medicines - the death penalty. • rents - is absent. • Pay for electricity for the population is missing. • Sales and use of alcohol is prohibited - "prohibition". • Loans for buying a car and an apartment - no interest. • Real estate services are prohibited. • Buying a car up to 50% paid by the state militia fighters - 65%. • Gasoline is cheaper than water. 1 liter of gasoline - $ 0.14.

      khanyisa.sulo - 2011-10-20 16:03

      @ Jay did u just say 'free' education? $7000 for every newborn, where can we verify this info?

      Rory - 2011-10-20 16:22

      Why were you in High School in the states Jay?

      Jessica - 2011-10-20 16:34

      @Rory Cause thats where stupid people go to school :)

      Jay - 2011-10-20 17:00

      @Khanyisa, you can google it,just copy and paste this infor.@Jessica you are clearly a Cee .Uuu .Next .Tuesday!!!I was at school in the states coz I grew up there.

      Barry - 2011-10-20 20:53

      @Jay. Most people on this site don't understand. I do

  • sandimzilikazi - 2011-10-20 15:59

    any links to the video anyone??

  • gpoltini - 2011-10-20 16:00

    I don't beleive a word from this NTC it's the same thing that happened over Bin Laden. Keep on misleading people. I don't understand why people are happy what change is the NTC going to bring to the resources of Libya and Africa. Mother Africa Cry as they are continuig wreaping you of your wealth.

  • Brad.Kopping - 2011-10-20 16:04

    good riddance you bastard.

  • Marius - 2011-10-20 16:10

    Live by the sword. Die by the sword. No rest for you.

      Jannie - 2011-10-21 10:43

      Look what's waiting on our youth dictator and all his buddies. South Africa take note. This took Libya 43 years to accomplish.(Hoe voel jou hand).

  • ayubum - 2011-10-20 16:16

    Who cames second.

  • Marius - 2011-10-20 16:24

    Why do you have to post such graphic details on your website.

      sven.gohre - 2011-10-20 16:38

      marius, publishing such graphic details is needed to show people what war and violence really means. It is no good hiding reality away and then allowing games that are based on violence to be played by our children, glorifying destruction in a sanitised way. The more graphic the picture, of rape, murder, and other violent crimes, the more they should be published on the front pages of newspapers in full colour, to finally shock people of your ilk into realising that in calling for a sanitised news, you are in fact allowing such violence to prosper under Liberal laws that protect the bastards that cause these crimes.

  • Piet - 2011-10-20 16:26

    He is better looking dead!

  • Felix - 2011-10-20 16:28

    Sic semper tyrannis (Thus ever to tyrants!)

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  • Mishka - 2011-10-20 16:35

    for the life of me how was he thinking he was going to end up >>> all that bloodshed.

  • annadie - 2011-10-20 16:37

    I am not sure whether such a graphic photo is needed and such a large one? a big banner would have sufficed...

  • chikunga - 2011-10-20 16:38

    anticipate more violence, they should just have captured Him. His kids and loyalists are still at large

  • thato.mnisi2 - 2011-10-20 16:43

    good riddance...Uncle Bob is next...

  • thuli.m.sithole - 2011-10-20 16:44

    we are really sorry for him dat he had to go like dat, but either than dat farewell to him. Hope he had not felt any pain cause in his whole life he never exprienced pain or suffering.

  • Karin - 2011-10-20 16:59

    When humankind rejoices at the death of another, what does it say about them?

  • Sue - 2011-10-20 18:26

    No way he is dead, take a look at his skin and lip colour, ha would be blue, especially lips or absoulutely white. Just another ploy to disguise his location

  • Grant - 2011-10-20 19:42

    Gaddafi was wounded whilst hiding in a storm water pipe, draged out and killed. Is this what Mbeki and Zuma call an African solution for an African problem? For 41 years the AU and before them the OAU did nothing to get rid of this terrorist.

      Barry - 2011-10-20 20:48

      The USA and NATO are the terrorists. Watch Libya go from bad to worse.

  • Heinrich - 2011-10-20 20:33

    So this is how it ends. How did it start? It is all about disrespecting the people. Putting yourself above them. Taking them for granted. Creating that gap, that potential difference which will build up until one day it arcs the gap in a frightening show of lightning and thunder where even the winners are losers. Don't be fooled by our "democracy".

  • Craig - 2011-10-20 23:35

    @ Mark: Yours is about the most ignorant post I have read for a long time. You say that "Julius is using the masses"? Does that mean your "masses" are just ignorant fools with no idea that they are being "used"? That's rich coming from a sector of society where many "ignorant fools" were used by the apartheid government to fight a war to defend white rule. Your idea that anyone supporting Julius is a brainless automaton is laughable. Who are you to decide FOR people who they should support? You also say that ZAR400 million is being spent on President Zuma's house? It is actually the total budget for all official residences. But your assumption is just as ignorant as the previous one: you have no understanding of what "corruption" is. The money for official residences is a BUDGET allocation. It's not "corruption" - IT'S NOT 40% OF YOUR TAX (and my) tax. Every department has a budget for these kinds of things. That's not corruption! Do you not think that European politicians can also be "corrupt"? Blair, Beluscone, Mitterrand.... etc who have faced criminal charges for corruption. Do you know how much money weathly American companies stole and pilfered from the US government in tenders and contracts for the Iraqi war? You complain that people are undeduacted and have no skills - this is precisely the aim of the apartheid government's education policies. Do you think 100 years of racism can be undone easily in 17 years? Think before spouting your ignorance.

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