Piles of dead bodies in Tripoli hospital

2011-08-26 11:03

Tripoli - Dozens of decomposing bodies were piled up on Friday in an abandoned hospital in Tripoli, a grim testament to the chaos roiling the capital as Libyan rebels clash with forces still loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

The four-story hospital was in the Abu Salim neighbourhood, which has seen some of the heaviest fighting this week, although the facility was empty and it could not be determined when the men had been killed. The floors were covered with shattered glass and bloodstains, and medical equipment was strewn about.

One hospital room had 21 bodies lying on gurneys, while 20 others were in the hospital's courtyard next to the parking lot - all of them darker skinned than most Libyans, covered with blankets. Gaddafi had recruited fighters from sub-Saharan Africa.

With Gaddafi still on the run and vowing to fight to the death, the rebels have struggled to take complete control of the Libya capital after sweeping into the city on Sunday. The fight in Abu Salim has been particularly bloody.

Bursts of gunfire were heard coming from an area near the neighbourhood before daybreak Friday. Smoke rose from the area but a rebel at the scene early Friday said the fighting in Abu Salim had ended by nightfall Thursday.

Men believed to be Gaddafi supporters or fighters were left moaning and calling for water at a clinic attached to a fire station in Abu-Salim. Curious men from the neighbourhood climbed stairs to look at the men, but none offered help.

One of the wounded said he was from Niger and denied any links to Gaddafi. Asked why he was in Libya, he said, "I really don't know." He did not give his name.

Interim government

Gaddafi had recruited fighters from sub-Saharan Africa, and many others are in Libya as migrant workers. In the turmoil since the rebellion broke out, migrant workers from southern Africa have been harassed.

Associated Press reporters flagged down a cab to take some of the wounded from the clinic to a hospital. The driver at first agreed, but men from the neighbourhood intervened, saying the men would have to be interrogated before they could be moved.

The opposition's interim government, meanwhile, moved forward with efforts to establish political control despite the continuing violence.

The National Transitional Council announced it is moving from the country's second-largest city of Benghazi in the east to the Tripoli.

A minister in the rebel government said Gaddafi’s capture is not a prerequisite for setting up a new administration in the capital.

"We can start rebuilding our country," Finance Minister Ali Tarhouni of the NTC told a news conference late Thursday. "He [Gaddafi] is the one who is basically in the sewer, moving from one sewer to another."

"I have a final message for everyone who is still carrying arms against the revolution," he said, "to let go of their arms and go back to their homes, and we promise not to take revenge against them".

Gaddafi sympathisers

Even with his regime in tatters, Gaddafi has tried to rally his followers to kill the rebels who waged war for six months to bring down Libya's ruler of 42 years.

"Don't leave Tripoli for the rats. Fight them, and kill them," Gaddafi said in a new audio message broadcast on Al-Ouroba TV, a Syria-based satellite station.

Outside Bab al-Aziziya, Gaddafi’s main military compound that was captured on Tuesday, was another grim scene, one that suggested execution-style killings of civilians.

About two dozen bodies - some with their hands bound by plastic ties and with bullet wounds to the head - lay scattered on grassy lots in an area where Gaddafi sympathisers had camped out for months.

The identities of the dead were unclear, but they were in all likelihood activists who had set up an impromptu tent city in solidarity with Gaddafi in defiance of the Nato bombing campaign.

Five or six bodies were in a tent erected on a roundabout. One of the dead still had an IV in his arm, and another body was completely charred, his legs missing. The body of a doctor, in his green hospital gown, was found dumped in the canal.

It was unclear who was responsible for the killings.

  • Wes - 2011-08-26 11:12

    Without democracy only violent revolution will change the leadership. I hope the ignorant supporters of Gadaffi will learn this lesson at least.

      MaanDonkie - 2011-08-26 11:17

      Now we just need to get Zimbabweans to do the same!

      GT - 2011-08-26 11:24

      The fan boys will say that they should have negotiated, but when the opportunity came, Gaddafi sent tanks. The daily maverick has a good piece by Chris Vick that is worth some thought.

      naeem.dollie - 2011-08-26 11:52

      There's never been a problem with Gaddafi or Libya until the US opened their mouth. Did you know this about Libya (before this fight)?: -No interest on loans -Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for -If you are unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if you were employed until you find employment. -When you get married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government -You could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance -The cars are sold at factory cost -Libya has no debt (like the US' trillions) -Free education and health care for all citizens -25% of the population with a university degree -No beggers on the streets and nobody is homeless (until the recent bombing) -Bread costs only $0.15 per loaf I'd say Gaddafi was doing a good job until the US caused disruptions. WHAT WAS THE ISSUE???! Do you know????

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-26 12:01

      @naeem.dollie - WOW amazing points. It really looks like the people of Libya are extremely happy with that ha ha ha. Sorry son but there's a fool born everyday and I have to say you're one of them. Hey, just a question - why aren't you immigarting to Libya? If I could get all those benefits from a country I'd be heading there straight away.

      mikel buran - 2011-08-26 12:02

      @naeem.dollie "these people f&*K things up whereva they try. The US is a bully and needs to be put in its place. They f&*k things up whereva there is oil....!

      Wes - 2011-08-26 12:33

      Dollie... You have absolutely no clue.....

      john - 2011-08-26 12:40

      naeem.dollie, all countries with huge oil income can afford these things. Look at what places like Qatar and UAE are doing. However, do not confuse massive oil income with wise and good leadership. Gaddafi could have made things so much better for the Libyans. He spent a large % of the GDP on arms and funding revolutions in other parts of the world. That money would have been far better spent on upgrading Libya. He spent almost nothing on non-oil infrastructure, with the result that Libya now needs to spend huge amounts in order to attract investment. They have 21% unemployment which is not healthy. Corruption was endemic, with money going to rotten officials rather than the people. Certainly, from the pictures I've seen on Sky and other channels, Libya isn't exactly Sandton. Most of the areas seem quite poor, although not as poor as the rest of Africa. Yes, Libya may have the highest SOL in Africa. But that is because of the oil income, not because Gaddafi was a wise and progressive leader. Libyans also lacked many things taken for granted in the West. A free media, for starters. Giving people subsidises houses or cheap cars or whatever does not compensate for not giving them freedom. There is no reason why Libya couldn't have all the things you mention PLUS freedom PLUS growth PLUS infrastructure for foreign investment and more.

      naeem.dollie - 2011-08-26 14:51

      @Wes - I don't think you do either. All you anti Gaddafi people - tell me why there was NEVER an issue until the fu*ckig US had to say something??? They're the ones that want to mess everyone up. They're the ones that want to start wars and empower no-one but themselves!... and they'll do everything they can to do so. All you idiots who just follow what the media says... who do you think controls the media!!!!??? Dumbasses... Certainly not 100% truth

      Betterworld - 2011-08-26 15:30

      @naeem.dollie: Never an issue you say??? Gaddafi funded arms purchases from the countries income from oil in the 1970's and sponsored terrorist groups. In the 1980's, he was responsible for 25 known and listed assasinations of critical refugees. 1977 - He declared war on Egypt because of their intention to sign a peace treaty. He is responsible for 1000's of deaths. Not to mention the bombing of a commercial airliner where hundreds of innocent travellers were killed. I think that these are pretty good reasons to be 'anti-Gaddafi'.... dont you........?

      Anton - 2011-08-26 15:41

      naeem.dollie, Yes, gaddafi was a great leader, that's why the Libyan people are sooo sad , that he is on the run !! Ohhh , you forgot to mention , amongst his accomplishments; The hundreds of unmarked shallow graves !!!!!!! Hundreds, if not thousands of parents, brothers and sisters and children, who at long last can get closure of their missing loved ones !!!! They were from all walks of life, but with one goal in common; to get rid of these corrupt murderers gaddafi's Yes, What a great guy this disturbed war criminal is.

  • Jackool - 2011-08-26 11:21

    Wondering why Nato isn't in there helping the wounded as they were in a great rush at helping to create the wounded. Die Nato mense is ook blêrrie slim. Now they managed to free all the billions of Gaddafi dollars to give to the Libyen rebels which will in turn be used to buy weapons, medical supplies and infrastructure components from who? Nato countries of course! It's called the European/American economic market stimulus.

      GT - 2011-08-26 11:39

      Countries don't have friends, they have interests. Remember that

      Anton - 2011-08-26 11:51

      GT, That's only partly true, friendships between countries IS important, but for the Libyan opposition (aka Rebels) there are only very few friends in Africa. as Africa let them down soo badly , and prefered to side with TYRANT !!!

      X-Ray - 2011-08-26 11:54

      And you seriously believe yourself? What about our Government that is an ally of Ghadafi?

      GT - 2011-08-26 12:16

      X-ray - The only reason they are pals is because gaddaffi has been writing cheques to the ANC for decades,, right up to last year. The Brother LEader set up the AU, funded it in large parts. He also funded the LRA, and RUFrebels and Chad militias.... and we know what they did. We didn't love him for his personality, that is for sure.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-26 11:51

    Wonder how many African counties sent troops to fight for Gaddafi?

  • mbuso.malale - 2011-08-26 11:55

    Got it right Jackool, If NATO was in favour of peace, then why the killings. Would it not be proper for NATO to take care of the wounded, the dead and rebuild Libya if it cares about the people other than chasing after Gaddafi and killing a lot of people in the process? Its just another way of taking control of Africa. Let AU decide the fate of Libya not the imperialists. Even if they conquer, that wont be democracy because there will still be divisions lest its what they want on top of the oil.

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-26 12:10

      If Gaddafi was in favour of peace then why doesn't he give himself up? God help us if the AU are to be involved. We all know the useless solution Africa came up with for Zim. The only country in the world where the guy that lost the elecetion remains president. Do you see why the rest of the world sees Africans as stupid now? It's their own doing. Malale, you're a serious turkey!!

      Totman - 2011-08-26 12:16

      Come on. I am not an US fan, but to ignore some facts to strengthen your arguments does not say a lot of your objectivity. They were not allowed by you to enter the country, but now you want them to do it and tomorrow you will say they influence everyone and are developing it the way that suits them. They are helping them and they are going to increase the help, but to keep you happy they also have to do it on the Libyan people's request. Libyans must decide their own faith. Africa is the last one to talk/offer. Let us rather sort ourselves out before we say to much how other should do it.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:25

      Nato is not involved in the fighting in Tripoli. It's actions are limited to surgical air strikes on Gadhafi's military resources to limit his reign of terror intended to make the Libyan people submit to another 40 years of dictatorial and oppressive rule.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:27

      It is Gadhafi who has chosen to fight to the end, unlike Bin Ali of Tunisia and Mubarak of Egypt. Their choices should be applauded, notwithstanding their human rights abuses.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:30

      Ah, the imperialist thing again. That ended sixty years ago, and in truth it's part of human history the world over, not limited to Africa. That Africans believe it so, is somewhat narcissistic. In truth, Africa is hardly on the international radar, unless it's for aid and minerals.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:33

      The oil thing has been covered many times. It belongs to Libya, now and forever more. Oil-rich countries are among the richest in the world. Did they get this way by giving away their oil? There's an established international oil industry with norms and principles which sees the lion's share of oil revenues remaining in the country in which the oil exists. This is why they're so rich. The same will be with Libya, or I the Libyan people will take to the streets again.

  • wandile.mayeza - 2011-08-26 11:59

    So the NATO and its tourists invaded Tripoli and killed everything moving

      Kevin - 2011-08-26 12:28

      No the good people of Libya freed themselves of a murdering tyrant ars# . They can have a democratic government now. ZIMBABAWE should have been actioned by the AU but they are useless so the people of ZIM die and suffer so that the AU can say they have a friend in Mad BoB

      Wes - 2011-08-26 15:07

      The Tripoli beach looks awesome. There should be a large invasion of NATO tourist after all this is done.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:36

      Nato is not in Tripoli. It is targeting Gadhafi's military resources with air strikes to protect the Libyan people. Do you support the Libyan people's right to vote? They've been denied this right for 40 years under Gadhafi, similar to Apartheid.

  • Colline - 2011-08-26 12:01

    the man's insane, he should be shot, along with mugabe and malema.

      Jackool - 2011-08-26 12:20

      yeah...lets kill them all and take their money..whahaha (evil laughter). I can't wait to see Libya prosper and blossom into the cradle of wealth and stability, just like Afghanistan and Irak, once that crazy old Gadaffi, the mad dog of Africa, is finally dead.

  • Jay - 2011-08-26 12:17

    in the words of THE MIGHTY SHAKA ZULU "THE SWALLOWS HAVE WON, the country will burn yet again, as rats be come kings, and lions become slaves"

      Jackool - 2011-08-26 12:26

      THE MIGHTY SHAKA At least the germans admit Hitler was a mega fail. Old Shaka was even loonier than Gadaffi and Bush put together. Shaka and Bush even had the same foreign policy: "Either you are with us, or you are against us and you will die, mfscumbags.

      john - 2011-08-26 13:37

      Swallows have won? Ooer, no wonder Shaka is angry. Wasn't he a Chiefs fan?

      Jay - 2011-08-26 16:41

      @Jackool_Napoleaon bornapate did the same but no one called him a looney or mf scumbag, Alexander killed far more people that Shaka ever did, but until today that idiot is called Alexander the great, and has cities named after him..Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Dung all,The Roman Ceasars had bloody hands but we are supposed to remember as great leaders, when in fact they committed the greatesnt genocide the world has ever seen....maybe you need to check yourself you might be the motherf***ng assh**le....Shaka united the Zulu nation whether you like it or not and yes a lot of people, just as many people died when Garribaldi and Mazzini united Italy..Shaka was just unfortunate to have his history written by a motherF***ng racist assh*** who had already made up his mind that all africans are savages, for the record i dont, will never support those rats the rebels in libya, because Gadaffi created a country like no other in Africa, no one starved, everyone including women could receive good education including scholarships abroad, the oil wealth benefited the little man, Libya had no debt watsoever, one of the only countries in the world to achieve this...Libya from now onwards will be ruled by rats...

      Jackool - 2011-08-26 23:16

      yeah Jay, all those guys you mention all fall in the same category.

  • lungelo mpatho - 2011-08-26 12:17

    I see 'western media' propaganda at work, NATO/Rebels also used (&still using) non-libyan mercenaries, how does the WRITER know for sure wheather the dead were on Gaddafi side or rebel/NATO side?

      slg - 2011-08-30 07:11

      You see nothing. Gadhafi and his sons have killed and tortured thousands upon thousands of people. Do you understand what this means?

  • wandile.mayeza - 2011-08-26 12:50

    how can people be so blinded by all the lies that we are being fed by the west? naeem.dollie is on point, so you people think the west has done a great job in Iraq and Afganistan and other countries that they've f*cked while hiding behind democracy and freedom.....mxim,

      Tolerant - 2011-08-26 13:09

      The West is trying to rid the world of mad people that invade other countries (Iraq), blow up planes (Libya) and assist terrorists.

      john - 2011-08-26 14:33

      wandile, democracy hasn't produced the desired results in Afghanistan and Iraq for the same reason that it hasn't in South Africa. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Enabling elections does not = implementing democracy. Democracy is a mindset and adherence to a set of standards, not a political voting process. Unfortunately, all three of these societies continue to abide by ancient tribal custom in which the minions will pay obeisance to whichever tribal chief hits them the hardest. Holding an election isn't going to change that mindset. So, rather than concluding that the US/NATO/colonialism/apartheid is responsible for the failure of democracy in these countries, we should maybe draw the more logical conclusion that they just aren't cut out for democracy, don't understand what it is, and aren't willing to expend the energy required to make it work. Democracy only succeeds when people vote according to party policies rather than religious/tribal (Iraq/Afghanistan) or ethnic/tribal (Africa) loyalties. So yes, you're right. There is not the slightest chance of there ever being a proper representative, accountable, progressive democracy in Libya. But then, the same can be said for the whole of Africa. In this continent, governing = a chance to steal unopposed. The rebels will do that as effectively as Gaddafi and his thugs ever did. But that's not the West's fault and you can't blame them for trying.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:40

      Are you aware that the Arab League is behind Nato's actions in Libya? And that Turkey, a country of 73 million muslims, is a member of Nato? Are you aware that Libyans have not been allowed to vote for their leaders for 40 years under Gadhafi, similar to Apartheid? Are you aware that tens of thousand soy Libyans have been detained, tortured, killed and raped under Gadhafi's instructions, also similar to Apartheid? This is standard practice with dictatorships. With democracy the possibilities of greater freedom and justice are much bigger. Libyans will create their own form of democracy, Libyan style.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:41

      ... just like we did in South Africa.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:41

      It's this horrifying part we have to get through in Libya.

      Vuyani - 2011-08-29 08:55

      @ Wandile the big question is which country is next since there are talks of a possible economic meltdown. would it be Zim (Mugabe),Somalia (Islamic Rebels) swaziland (muswati) no it wont be those countries because there is no oil. to hell with the US and Nato

  • jvl - 2011-08-26 13:12

    Gaddafi's son was going to take over as dictator when he died, that alone should be the wake up call.Gaddafi 42 years and no election in sight,then he son ? How does that even sound as a good policy ?Are we back in the middle ages?

      john - 2011-08-26 14:37

      No. We are yet to reach the Middle Ages. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

      slg - 2011-08-26 19:24

      Couldn't agree more.

  • Brz15 - 2011-08-26 13:46

    Send in Sergeant Blane!! Him and his Unit will sort out Gaddafi quickly! Ha ha...I love that series!

  • slg - 2011-08-26 19:23

    It's horrifying. The sight of soldiers firing indiscriminately in the streets of Tripoli is terrifying. This is what happens when a dictator decides to fight to the end, no matter what. The primary responsibility lies with Gadhafi. But all human rights abuses are attributable to those committing them, Rebels or Gadhafi forces alike. The Geneva Convention is clear.

  • Bishop: L - 2011-08-28 04:02

    My God rise his hand,to protect innocent citizen and stop war.

  • Graham - 2011-08-29 08:49

    Naeem, The truth is out there, hiding in plain sight. Tell it like it is, or was, as we will not hear it through the "media"...

  • Graham - 2011-08-29 09:16

    Dear John. Your comments related to the UAE and Qatar are unfortunately indicative of an apparent lack of understanding on matters and cultures related to the entire Middle East/North Africa. This region is not founded on democracy. Sheikhdom has worked for many hundreds of years but sadly, now, "democracy" has arrived. Sunni investment will dry up as will opportunity. Who will rebuild the damage to Libia, NATO?

  • Malesela - 2011-08-29 14:14

    african history demostrated long ago to us that in each country where you found resources like oil in the case of libya,countries like dr congo for the second example,thats where countries like those who composed nato forces are having vested interest on resources support many rebels operation in the form war.and then they(usa) set condition on the administration of the new order like in iraq.there is real democratic practices in iraq for example and there shall be no real democracy in liya if gaddafi can be defeted becouse he himself is fighting back.western eroupen countries should stop interfering in addministrations of all african countries.

  • aperiozar - 2011-08-29 14:56

    For the benefit of those who are so blinded by their support for everything that is White and West, that they will support ANYTHING these monsters do (like John and Sig) I can do no better but to repeat Naeem.Dollie's post here There's never been a problem with Gaddafi or Libya until the US opened their mouth. Did you know this about Libya (before this fight)?: -No interest on loans -Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for -If you are unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if you were employed until you find employment. -When you get married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government -You could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance -The cars are sold at factory cost -Libya has no debt (like the US' trillions) -Free education and health care for all citizens -25% of the population with a university degree -No beggers on the streets and nobody is homeless (until the recent bombing) -Bread costs only $0.15 per loaf I'd say Gaddafi was doing a good job until the US caused disruptions. WHAT WAS THE ISSUE???! Do you know????

      aperiozar - 2011-08-29 14:57

      I am not going to quote sources here, they are all over the Internet. Take the trouble to see for yourself.

      slg - 2011-08-30 07:15

      You'd be delusional if you said that, which you have. Therefore you're delusional. The reason: with Libya's per capita wealth, it should be further ahead than the stats you list reflect. Gadhafi has stolen billions of dollars and more importantly has killed, maimed, detained and caused to be raped thousands upon thousands of Libyans. Do you have any idea what this really means?

      aperiozar - 2011-08-30 14:56

      As usual you don't talk much sense, Sig. I challenge you to prove the post wrong. You chose to believe the US/NATO propaganda, because you will believe everything that is White and West. Have a nice life.

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