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TB Joshua under pressure over fatal church collapse

2014-09-17 13:03

Lagos - A popular Nigerian preacher and televangelist was under mounting pressure on Wednesday to co-operate with the authorities after a fatal building collapse that claimed at least 67 lives.

TB Joshua and staff at his Synagogue Church of All Nations had so far failed to disclose information to the investigation, the Lagos state government and emergency services said.

South Africa's president Jacob Zuma announced on Tuesday that 67 of his compatriots were killed in the collapse on Friday.

Pretoria's ambassador to Abuja complained investigators had faced difficulties in getting detailed information on the ground.

In Lagos, rescuers were still picking through the rubble with heavy lifting equipment and using sniffer dogs in the search for survivors.

Death toll still uncertain

"The church is not co-operating with emergency workers at all," said National Emergency Management Authority (NEMA) spokesperson for the southwest region, Ibrahim Farinloye.

"For the first three days of the incident, the church people were very hostile and prevented rescue officials access to the site," he told AFP.

Earlier access may have saved lives, he added, giving the latest toll as 67 with 131 survivors.

South Africa's ambassador to Nigeria, Lulu Mnguni, told the eNCA news channel that the death toll was still uncertain.

"The numbers can still either go up or down. We have put more people on the ground to assist us," he said.

Low flying plane

Some five South African church tour groups totalling about 300 people were thought to have been in Lagos at the time, the government said.

Toyin Ayinde, Lagos State commissioner for town planning and urban development, said an investigation would examine Joshua's claim that a low-flying plane may have been responsible for the collapse.

He told Nigeria's Channels television they were checking with Lagos international airport, which is just east of the church, about the altitude of planes in the area at the time.

Samples were being taken from the building to determine the material used in the construction.

Initial indications suggested the collapse was caused because extra floors were being added to the building without strengthening foundations.

Ayinde said Joshua and his staff had not yet met engineers and representatives of the Lagos State Emergency Management Agency, which was affecting their ability to disclose accurate information.

Comments
  • Tilo Von Brandis - 2014-09-17 13:10

    If people died because the church and Joshua prevented rescue efforts, he should be tried for accessory to murder!

      DrGonzoSA - 2014-09-17 13:31

      To be honest I think it has more to do with dodgy building regulations, or lack of them. Just sticking another floor on top is pretty silly

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:33

      Not sure what atheists have to do with it, since this is a pastor of a Christian church responsible here. Unless you're just trolling and I've missed that.

      Punungwe - 2014-09-17 13:40

      The building should not have been used as a guest lodge while it was undergoing major renovations. Pure and simple. He should have been in remand prison as we speak.

      Koos Petoors - 2014-09-17 13:50

      TB Joshua should be tried for many things, including robbing the poor, the gullible and those who in earnest is looking for help, just to support his lavish lifestyle.

      Punungwe - 2014-09-17 13:54

      If a plane crashed into the building, the wreckage would be obvious. Otherwise mention of the plane is a desperate attempt to divert blame and will only be taken seriously by those without technical knowhow. If the building was sensitive to vibrations then 1. A passing truck would have been far much more of a hazard than even an A380 taking off. The ground transmits vibrations better than air. That's is why there is earthquake and never airquakes. 2. The building was poorly and inappropriately designed. Bottom line, a construction site should NEVER EVER have been used to accommodate people. That is STANDARD well established safety practice. A high school building student will tell you that. The Nigerian authorities themselves need to answer questions on why that was allowed.

      Bob Van Wilder - 2014-09-17 14:11

      this is what happens if you don't tithe

      Trevor Myburgh - 2014-09-17 14:49

      @Dawid if only Zoo ma was in the building....................

      Alfred Karius - 2014-09-18 06:04

      TB Joshua is a psychopathic con artist, scamming the brainwashed, the ignorant and the stupid out of hundreds of millions but what really shocked me is that on SABC3 7.30 Afrikaans News last night his faith healing and even his resurrection scam was portrayed as factual. This is absolutely outrageous, no respectable media should be involved in duping and fleecing the gullible public. TB Joshua is one of the most despicable humans on earth and the SABC is complicit in his crimes. A National news organization has to be factual and objective, it becomes a joke when it broadcasts primitive, ignorant, darkage superstition as fact. Next they will be broadcasting stories of witches flying on broomsticks as factual. I cannot adequately describe my absolute disgust with the SABC News team.

      Adam Maither - 2014-09-18 06:33

      What is indeed surprising is the lack of coverage on CNN/BBC/SKY OF murder by a Christian extremist.

      Alfred Karius - 2014-09-18 06:48

      TB Joshua claims to be able to resurrect the dead and heal the sick and injured so why doesn't he resurrect all those killed in his building and heal all those injured with his magic supernatural powers? Why are the injured being sent to hospital?

      Xenswim1 - 2014-09-18 07:54

      an important part missed yet again by observers. Exactly how Christian is this fellow and his hierarchy if they refuse to cooperate with authorities. Typical false prophet combined with African logic and BS.

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 09:15

      @ Dan Demoyne ..your first two 'words' were already a lie...

      Sean Tearnan - 2014-09-18 09:31

      not accessory , murder. He is giving True christians a bad name by behaving like this. Where is human compassion. Was it all about greed

      Douglas Hollis - 2014-09-18 12:55

      If it had anything to do with the plane (ie some form of terror attack as claimed by TB Joshua), one wonders what revolutionary new technology could have been used to bring the building down. There are, after all, no signs whatsoever of any explosives being used. And how exactly was the building able to stand for another 45min after the plane's final pass? Of far more interest, though, are the dodgy building standards, not to mention the unauthorised addition of 4 storeys to the original 2 storey structure. In which case the beloved prophet should find himself in a whole heap of trouble.

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:47

      The only dark force here is the mind of Dan Demoyne. No sorry - have to retract that. His mind can never be called a force now...just dark and deluded.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-18 13:52

      List of Christian multi-millionaires- South African’s: Farmer Angus Buchan (Mighty Men) Pastor Ray McCauley (Rhema Church) “Dr” Theo Wolmarans (Christian Family Church) Pastor Andre Roebert (River Church) Pastor Attie Boshoff (Christian Revival Church) Nigerians: Bishop David Oyedepo – Estimated net worth: $150M Pastor Chris Oyakhilome – Estimated net worth: $50M Prophet Temitope Joshua – Estimated net worth: $15M Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo – net worth: $10M Americans: Apostle Kenneth Copeland net worth: net worth $769M Healing Evangelist Benny Hinn: net worth: $42 million. Senior Pastor/Joel Osteen Net Worth: $40 million. Apostle T. D. Jakes Net worth $18 million. Pastor John Hagee net worth: $5 million. Pastor Paula White net worth: $5 million. Pop phycology tele- evangelist Joyce Meyer- net worth $ 100 million Pastor Joseph Prince: $5 million Rev. Creflo Dollar Jr, Dr. Juanita Bynum, Paul Crouch, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Mike Murdock etc…….!

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-18 13:53

      Christianity was born in poverty and it has appealed to poverty stricken people ever since. Paul tells us in 1Cor: “to the present hour we both hunger and thirst and we are poorly clothed and homeless” Some people join the ANC to become rich, others become wealthy by starting Christian charismatic ministries. They know God is poverty stricken so when they need money, you NEVER see them ask God or his Son for money.

      Gideon Van Der Walt - 2014-09-19 13:49

      Low flying planes making churches collapse....sure! Christians will believe anything!

  • David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 13:12

    Something tells me that this TB Joshua has something to do with the building collapsing... Sounds to me like one of those religious cult mas suicides...

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:34

      lol @ Dan, got anything evidence to back that up? No? Then sit down, there's a good lad. Also, you probably are a bit dense to understand that, but atheists reject the notion of all supernatural entities. That includes Satan, God and the Tooth Fairy. But I doubt such a little factoid would be able to seep into your hate-filled cranium.

      David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 13:35

      LOL "Atheist Militarism" you make me laugh... Name one country with an Atheist Military? Name one war that has started over Atheist belief... Name one war that the great Satan that does not exist as much as God that he has started? Now that you can't name one name a war that God or Allah have started... I rest my case...

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:48

      Dan, failing to address Dawid's points on its merits, has resorted to an ad-hominem attack. Dawid - 1 Dan - 0 Step it up Dan, you need to be more convincing if you're going to troll like this.

      David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 13:51

      Tell me Dan can you touch, see and feel your computer screen? Or lets make this easier for you can you touch, see and feel your hand. That makes it real... The air you breath if it was not real you would die... So therefor can you touch, see and feel God??? Sorry what was that no... So then it must not be real... So you buddy need to get over it...

      Mike Olwagen - 2014-09-17 14:10

      Logic 101 according to David Van Schalkwyk. Combined a with a good dose of ostrich mentality for good measure...If I can't see it,.....It ain't there.....

      David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 14:15

      Ok Mike when last did God do anything for you?

      Michael Zoast Jennings - 2014-09-17 15:09

      Ah, David....can you touch and feel light? No, so then it doesn't exist.....and as for war mongering Atheists, shall we start with Stalin? Shall we mention Hitler?

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 17:00

      @Michael - Hitler was Catholic. Go take a look at the Nazi-issued bibles, hell, even their belt buckles proclaimed "Gott Mitt Uns" (God is with us). Nice try though.

      Jaco Nel - 2014-09-18 10:47

      feed the troll

      Jaco Wium - 2014-09-18 16:01

      Difficult to fathom how some numpties, living in the information age, still believe that Hitler was an atheist. Doesn't anybody read history any more? Or are do we just unquestioningly accept christian propaganda? I think I know the answer.

  • David Peterson - 2014-09-17 13:14

    Strange how TB Joshua aka "the prophet" who claims to have foreseen things like the MH17 plane crash, the Boston marathon bombings and the results of football matches didn't see this one coming? Sounds like yet another false prophet. When will people learn.

      David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 13:15

      100% with you on that one...

      DrGonzoSA - 2014-09-17 13:32

      The only thing he foresaw was saving some money by doing some dodgy building work

      Koos Petoors - 2014-09-17 14:01

      False prophet - agree. I'm very sceptical if not downright aggressive when I'm appraoched by people claiming to be prophets, seeing angels, hearing god speaking, dreaming dreams and curing people of all kinds of diseases. Most, if not all of the time, such indivuals suffer some form of mental illness that distorts their view of reality and themselves. A significant number of these so-called pastors show significant psychopathic behaviour, i.e. they have a knack of manipulating individuals and masses to further their own goals without caring for the impact their actions may have on others. Same goes for a large number of CEO's and politicians.

      Mike Olwagen - 2014-09-17 14:12

      It is written there will be a lot of false prophets. Why do people enjoy stating the obvious?

      Proudly Viljoon - 2014-09-17 14:33

      He didn't even see Ebola coming to Nigeria and yet people still went to his church in masses

      Borislav Bikitsha - 2014-09-17 19:31

      Tell the people then David,if TB is a false prophet, who is the true prophet,since you are learned?

      Robbie Crouch - 2014-09-18 11:14

      Deuteronomy 18:22 is pretty clear...

  • Wayne Piper - 2014-09-17 13:19

    Oops, where was god?

      DrGonzoSA - 2014-09-17 13:33

      I thought everything was god's will?

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:36

      God doesn't stop anything, the same way Santa Clause didn't prevent the Rwandan genocide

      Skory Skorokoro - 2014-09-17 13:43

      You are stupid well done

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 09:20

      No DrGonzoSA...only when a beautiful rainbow hits the sky... God is never involved with the REAL stuff. And how can he be...he doesn't even have enough power to deal with a simple concept as "free will"... probably because he doesn't exist.

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:12

      So Dan, although you have come to the realisation in your stunted, hilbilly southern US way - you at least concede that god has no power on earth. He couldn't stop the building from collapsing - powerless in the face of the evil atheists who collapsed it eh? Because their free will is much stronger than him? So prayer cannot ever work - since the willpower of man is too strong, especially the "evil" ones....

      Sydney Albertus Daniel - 2014-09-18 20:04

      Wayne Piper; Oops, where was God? Maybe checking your tax return!!!

  • JohnnyDee68 - 2014-09-17 13:23

    "The numbers can still either go up or down" - How can the numbers come down? Are they guessing about the number of people killed or did some of the dead come back to life? :-)

      Rocky Bell - 2014-09-17 13:32

      Bad reporting!! If information on the tragedy is so limited, how is it possible to "identify" 67 South Africans as victims. Aren't rescue workers still busy combing the debris for bodies?

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:17

      How is that bad reporting? They are quoting the SA Ambassador. If anything you should take exception to this stupid quote by the Ambassador. Quite often these people do not think before they speak.

  • Mehluli Sibanda - 2014-09-17 13:27

    Pastopreneur more like. He's probably penning some excuse of how it was meant to be and all that bs. He should be held responsible for this, should be charged. If it weren't for his brainwashing all these innocents wouldn't have perished. Wisen up people. These are false prophets.

      Rocky Bell - 2014-09-17 13:33

      "Propheteer"

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 10:24

      Yes NOW all of a sudden he is a false prophet... Its a shame it takes a tragedy like this to wake these people up.

  • Anthony Mokoo - 2014-09-17 13:27

    Not to sound arrogant or over the top, but what were South africans really doing in Nigeria in the first place?we already have dodgy nigerian pastors and prophets here in our homeland cheating us out of our hard earned money,as tragic as it might be,the tragedy should have been avoided,we have Mbhoro within our grasps but yet again people overlook him.Now people will bring ebola into south africa through this tragic mayhem while recovering the dead to South africa.

  • MinRa - 2014-09-17 13:28

    lock him him up

  • Mthokozisi Sihiya - 2014-09-17 13:28

    Everyone has seen that there so many people gambling by calling themselves Phophets.Poor liars.

  • Ndlovu Mpho - 2014-09-17 13:30

    That swindler should be hit with a R1 billion law suite and only be left with a broken ass!

  • DrGonzoSA - 2014-09-17 13:30

    He didn't see that coming!

  • Skory Skorokoro - 2014-09-17 13:32

    TB you are a man of God don't worry or stress too mach jst pray and stay firm unto God,you there will be a lot of challenges,temtations all sorts of things like Job who stayed firm to God he is the good example.my condolecess to the families its not easy for everyone.

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:27

      TB Joshua is no "man of God".

      James Okon - 2014-09-17 17:31

      Why are we using this forum for a religious debate? THE FOOL IN HIS HEART SAYS THEIR IS NO GOD. IF YOU LIKE BELEIVE IT, ONE DAY SOONER OR LATER WHEN YOUR END COMES,YOU WILL KNOW THERE'S IS A GOD. LETS NOT BRING GOD OR THE DEVIL INTO THIS, BAD BUILDING STRUCTURE I THINKS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS AND I THINK GOD HAS GIVEN EVERYONE A GREAT SENSE TO KNOW THIS. I SIMPLY FEEL BAD FOR THE INNOCENT LIVES LOST AND THEIR FAMILIES.

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:17

      Why does he not just raise the dead and heal the sick then, Skory?

      Siyasanga Maka Lino G - 2014-09-18 14:08

      Usi skorokoro with ur fake joshua

  • Andre Burrows - 2014-09-17 13:32

    TB, your God is screwed man!

      Mike Olwagen - 2014-09-17 14:18

      Calling it large from behind a mask.

  • David Broadfoot - 2014-09-17 13:32

    MAYBE just MAYBE it was the hand of God showing He dont like false prophets ??????

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:44

      What an awesome god, in that case. "I don't like this false prophet. Let me murder some his followers instead". Rad logic.

      mbossenger - 2014-09-17 14:02

      So he left the prophet alive but killed the people coming to see him?

      Mike Olwagen - 2014-09-17 14:20

      Jip who knows, it is written there will be many false ones. These atheist turkeys think they are onto something.....The looney Prof Dawkins is leading the charge....bwhahahahahahahahaha.

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 09:25

      yes Mike... at least we are on to SOMETHING....and getting closer and closer each day. You are still stuck believing earth is 6000 yrs old. You have nothing but an idea. For 2000 years. Nice.

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:21

      So Mike, tell the turkeys - if god is alive and omnipotent - why did he allow the building to collapse and kill scores of desperate believers?

      Jaco Wium274 - 2014-09-18 16:15

      Haha David, massive logic fail there. Or else you serve a god that punishes the innocent and their families, but leave the sinner be. Impressive.

  • Zilindile Gagule - 2014-09-17 13:34

    I don,t think is the good idea for Nigerian authorities to put pressure to TB Joshua as it is clear there is a thirdparty.So Nigerian army should stay alert for Boko Haram attack.Terrorists using many to get their enermies.Boko Haram is behind the scandal.

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 14:26

      ...said Zilindile without a shred of evidence to support that wild theory

      Nolwandle Ne Zulu - 2014-09-17 19:40

      How gullible of these people to pin this on the Boko Haram and think we'll buy it! No, we shall wait for the engineers' reports. What's also alarming is the Church 's refusal to grant access to the ER staff.. How do they explain that?

  • Azana Booi - 2014-09-17 13:36

    67 people died...67 south african people who were amongst the hundreds inside the building died....sounds like they were hand picked to me!

  • Nondumiso Nomtha Mbangatha - 2014-09-17 13:37

    why only South Africans died in there? i just dnt get it!!!!! South Africans must stop running to the miracles churches i think there's no God there its olny miracles.

      Mongi Mekgwe - 2014-09-18 14:24

      POINT OF CORRECTION, FOR YOU TO PERFORM A MIRACLE NOT MAGIC IT GOES WITH SACRIFICE DENYING YOURSELF THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD AS A SERVANT OF GOD.JESUS WAS DEALING WITH DEMONS AND HE SAID OTHERS IT'S NOT FOR ANYONE TO CAST THEM OUT. I AM FROM DELIVERANCE MINISTRY IT'S NOT A CHILD'S PLAYER. IF JESUS WENT THROUGH INSULTS WHO IS TB JOSHUA?

  • Sisanda Bam - 2014-09-17 13:38

    You people are so unfair. TB Joshua is a servant of God. He is not God. Dont blame him for this. Blame evil people like you.

      David Van Schalkwyk - 2014-09-17 13:41

      He claims to be a prophet of God... Tell me how did he not see this coming? Why did God not speak to him to warn him off this??? Because God does not exist and anyone that claims they are a prophet of God are more delusional than you are...

      Stuart Steedman - 2014-09-17 13:41

      Blame evil people like us? What on earth did we do to cause this tragedy? TB Joshua cut corners with construction, and his greed has killed a lot of people. That, I believe, is the evil in this story

      Herman Booysen - 2014-09-17 14:12

      I'm confused , why must this be someone's fault and who said that bad things will not happen to good people and yes may be they were not good people and what did GOD had to do with this ?

      Calvin Mahlape - 2014-09-17 14:28

      Sisanda Bam be careful how you talk about God.

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 19:21

      TB Joshua is no "servant of God".

      Mokgobi Pontsho - 2014-09-18 09:32

      myb evil blind ppl lyk u...hu r nt worthy enough to see a lie in front of you...if i am do u sleep wht t.b joshua or do u knw wht he does in his own tym...ths is nt GOD's will...ths is a punishment for deception

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:23

      So Sisanda, why does TB not raise the dead and heal the wounded from this event?

  • Sisanda Bam - 2014-09-17 13:40

    You people are so unfair. TB Joshua is a servant of God. He is not God. Dont blame him for this. Blame evil people like you.

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:29

      TB Joshua is no "servant of God".

      Skory Skorokoro - 2014-09-17 14:37

      Sisanda well said bro these people are evil sis

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 10:21

      Yes. Because we question OBVIOUS DECEPTION...and BLIND FOLLOWING...we are evil. Ok. Shame.

  • Steven Marshal - 2014-09-17 13:42

    If this pseudo-prophet did hamper emergency services from getting to victims then he should be charged with murder.

  • Nwa-vhurandhi Rikhotso - 2014-09-17 13:43

    This paster he's always propheting about another poeple and now is him, I think God shows him that is a false prophet(south african we like mirakels that's why the hight number come from us)

      Jay Man - 2014-09-18 10:22

      Yes NOW all of a sudden he is a false prophet... Its a shame it takes a tragedy like this to wake you people up.

  • Humbelani Tshipandu - 2014-09-17 13:46

    TB stand for tubercolosis,a stressful coughing disease,shame on its final stage you can collapse like a church building in nigeria-yuuuuuu

  • Yandisa Mnqanqeni - 2014-09-17 13:47

    Please bring them back to our soil and answer soon what happened!!

  • Ronald Ruiters - 2014-09-17 13:48

    We pray for the families involved ,i belief the church must act responsible We are not to overrule the Authority that is not Gods will

  • Johnny B Goode - 2014-09-17 13:48

    If it happens, it is gods will isn't it? Let us praise god then. Oh lord... Oooh, you are SO big... So absolutely HUGE.. Gosh, we're all VERY impressed down HERE I can tell you! Forgive us lord, our dreadful toadying, but please, PLEASE whatever you do just DON'T BURN US! Ay-men.

      mbossenger - 2014-09-17 14:11

      All part of God's Great Plan (TM)

      John Daly - 2014-09-17 16:02

      You must be a Monty Python fan...

      Lenny Bazwell Kachikopa - 2014-09-17 16:54

      johny my dear that,s blasphemy. pliz

  • ThabangMaaake - 2014-09-17 13:49

    He is a prophet so how can he fail to foresee this heavy and serious danger? This guy i'm beginning to suspect him. My CIC will have to forgive me.

  • Punungwe - 2014-09-17 13:51

    If a plane crashed into the building, the wreckage would be obvious. Otherwise mention of the plane is a desperate attempt to divert blame and will only be taken seriously by those without technical knowhow. If the building was sensitive to vibrations then 1. A passing truck would have been far much more of a hazard than even an A380 taking off. The ground transmits vibrations better than air. That's is why there is earthquake and never airquakes. 2. The building was poorly and inappropriately designed. Bottom line, a construction site should NEVER EVER have been used to accommodate people. That is STANDARD well established safety practice. A high school building student will tell you that. The Nigerian authorities themselves need to answer questions on why that was allowed.

  • Anthony Mokoo - 2014-09-17 13:52

    I said it before and will say it again,Nigeria and Nigerians alike hate south africa and south africans.Proof.."67 people died and all of them are South africans,how about that for co-incidence?they talk ill of South africa even when they kill us with drugs in our own country,Nigeria has waged war against us long ago,out of all the places in the world that one might die in,it should not be nigeria.South Africa should wake up and take a serious stance against this infidels and drug barrons.

  • Toinette Muller - 2014-09-17 13:52

    Shame johnny....

  • Ba Tadiwa - 2014-09-17 13:54

    Oh pliz man grow up!!!!

  • Zahir - 2014-09-17 13:56

    Joshua is he a man of god or a typical nigerian scammer tring to con people

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:22

      TB Joshua is no "man of God".

  • Themba Dzenga - 2014-09-17 14:00

    the threat of Ebola to S.A. and the whole sadc region has never been so real, hope it was worth it

  • Freddie Owusu - 2014-09-17 14:01

    I think it is general fault and it happens most of the country. Buildings collapsed all the time and people died in most of the situations.

      Zack Maseka - 2014-09-17 15:22

      All the buildings he owned b4 end wit tragedy

  • Sophy Boitshepo - 2014-09-17 14:05

    that is too painfull. but god knows everthing.tb joshua is the men of god.

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:21

      TB Joshua is no "man of God".

  • Nomusa Magwaza - 2014-09-17 14:05

    Why the secrecy!! Theres more 2 ths story!! Sounds like a miracle gone rong

  • louis.elst - 2014-09-17 14:06

    Cutting corners to save money causes people to die The preacher should not get away with this he has killed people allowing people to stay in a unsafe building

  • Breavnot Chungu - 2014-09-17 14:07

    My fellow christians lets not depend on our fellow human being as if if they God.So b prayerfull coz sept-october is a seventh month in a bible cleans our sins & is wen satanist gve sacrifice to dere god lucifer.

  • Cobus Jordaan - 2014-09-17 14:13

    TB Joshua is just as honest and upstanding than all those very generous guys emailing me every week from Nigeria wanting to share their millions of dollars with me. I give the governments mail address since it looks like they sure need the money more than I do, maybe if I do it enough they will scrap e-tolls.

  • Humbelani Tshipandu - 2014-09-17 14:13

    dalai laama+visa

  • rorypreddy - 2014-09-17 14:13

    Liar. May he feel the pain of every soul he is responsible for.

  • Vhutshilo Musekene - 2014-09-17 14:14

    pls leave the man of God aloan

      OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:20

      TB Joshua is no "man of God".

      Enzo Ball - 2014-09-17 14:25

      What’s the difference between a man of god and another man? What can a man of god do that another man can’t?

      Mthokozisi Sihiya - 2014-09-17 14:31

      Man of God? Thats a joke.

      Albert Nkhoma - 2014-09-17 14:38

      Whose man are you ?

      Steven Marshal - 2014-09-17 14:42

      I'm sure he's made enough money from scamming these people...he doesn't need a loan... ;D

      Wandli Mawandla - 2014-09-18 18:41

      don't be hurt by non believers, most negative comments are from those who doesn't know about him and the good things he has done to people around the world.

  • Lungisa Mangi Dlamini - 2014-09-17 14:15

    enough with this god's will nonsense. Some must take responsibility. Do use god as a scape goat.

      Themba Sindie - 2014-09-17 14:23

      God the creator starts wth capital (G) you devil worshiper

      Wayne Piper - 2014-09-17 16:30

      @ Themba - Devil worshipper? Wow, do see poison here or what?

  • Modisane Edwin Motaung - 2014-09-17 14:16

    I hope his followers do not put the on satan because this accident is caused by not following proper and correct building procedures.

  • Enzo Ball - 2014-09-17 14:18

    What a spectacular screw up. You have the SA government, the Nigerian government, a loony prophet and a so called omnipresent god. You couldn’t have hand-picked a more hopeless bunch to deal with this tragedy.

  • Calvin Mahlape - 2014-09-17 14:19

    honestly Christians can be very ignorant and defensive to the facts which we all see. you can blame everything in this incident besides Joshua and he's practices that is according to Christians here....and all we hear is the "Bible says". as if others are not man/children of God Coz they other forms of religious books. nothing is different with this Joshua guy, he just one of those who came and saw an opportunity and made use of it which then made millions for himself. Christians wants to deny that he's prophecy didn't serve the purpose here and if any foul play is found in the construction procedures of his building he has to dance to the music we all humans just as Jesus was

  • Rachel Bernadette Louis - 2014-09-17 14:24

    "a fatal building collapse that claimed at least 67 lives" 67 South Africans died in Lagos...

  • OzzyInSA - 2014-09-17 14:25

    When this first occurred TB Joshua claimed it was a terrorist attack by Boko Haram. Then he said it was an object flying over the church/hotel/guesthouse/shopping mall dumping a substance that weakened the building. Now he has modified it to be a plane flying low over the building 4 times that weakened the foundation. Can't wait what his next story is. And just like his prophecies they are all false.

  • Hanno Labuschagne - 2014-09-17 14:28

    Jitte but the atheists on here are some insensitive a-holes, hey? I'm a Christian and I wouldn't even be remotely amused by the deaths of a group of non-believers. You guys are a new level of sick. "We don't promote violence in the name of our beliefs", "We don't care what others believe as long as it doesn't mess with our lifestyle". Bunch of damn hypocrites.

      Memeru Thelma - 2014-09-17 18:43

      Christians dnt swear or am i wrong?

      At Nel - 2014-09-18 13:33

      They're not amused at the deaths. They are trying to point out how absolutely ridiculous it is, that even after a church building collapses on believers, people still believe that the guy is a prophet, that the same god will protect them, care for them, etc etc. So atheists are amused, or rather bemused, about the believers who are still alive and do not even get the obvious contradictions here. If these people believed in any other deity you would also see how ridiculous it is. You are just offended as it is your particular deity

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-09-19 05:29

      @John, atheists isn't amused. They attacking my religion. Who are they to question the existence of God? I don't have to prove to them anything. The bible warns us against false prophets.

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-09-19 05:29

      @John, atheists isn't amused. They attacking my religion. Who are they to question the existence of God? I don't have to prove to them anything. The bible warns us against false prophets.

  • Motlatsi Matuka - 2014-09-17 14:30

    so far 67 death& all south Africans. only them were inside wen de building collapsed? ?

  • khangwe.ramaano - 2014-09-17 14:32

    when building he cuts corners and not follow proper engineering procedures. Next week he will be preaching that it's the work of the devil, if he hasn't done so already. Poor Satan, sometime I think God feels sorry for the devil for all the things he gets blamed for. And why all the secrecy? Some shady business going on there hiding behind the name of God.

      Zack Maseka - 2014-09-17 15:00

      blame the devil in everything, lol . this devil guy he's always in trouble