Zambia won't arrest Bush during visit

2011-12-03 12:23

Lusaka - Zambia will not arrest former US president George W Bush during his African tour for violating international torture laws, the foreign minister said on Saturday.

Rights group Amnesty International on Thursday urged Ethiopia, Tanzania and Zambia to arrest Bush during the five-day tour to promote efforts to fight diseases like cancer, Aids and malaria.

"On what basis does Amnesty International want us to arrest Mr Bush? Tell them to hang, and also please ask them to create their own country and wait for Mr Bush to visit their country so that they can arrest him to suit their wish and not here in Zambia," Foreign Minister Chishimba Kambwili told AFP.

Bush is in Zambia on the second stop of the tour, having arrived in Tanzania on Thursday.


Kambwili said Zambia would only arrest Bush if the International Criminal Court (ICC) and other international organisations such as the United Nations asked the southern African country's government to do so.

Amnesty made a similar appeal to Canada in October when Bush visited British Columbia for an economic summit.

The group argued that Bush authorised the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" and "waterboarding" on detainees held in secret by the Central Intelligence Agency between 2002 and 2009.

Amnesty's case relies on the public record, US documents accessed through freedom of information requests, Bush's own memoir and a Red Cross report critical of the United States' war on terror policies.

The group cites several instances of alleged torture of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, naval facility, in Afghanistan and in Iraq by the US military.

  • cliff.slabbert - 2011-12-03 12:55

    Arrest George W Bush at your own peril Amnesty International! What a joke! Well said Chishimba Kambwili.

  • Shirley - 2011-12-03 12:59

    Alls fair in love and war! Arrest the dictators like Mugabe before they come with this ce@p!

  • Ian - 2011-12-03 13:17

    wtf, hasent africa learnt yet, fk with america, go on i freaking dare you, no i triple dare you, you will get so many tomahaks up your ass you will need lessons on how to sit

      Shirley - 2011-12-03 13:19

      LOL! - 2011-12-03 14:39

      You seem to have forgotten what happens to US troops in Africa. They generally end up on the losing side. In some cases needing to be bailed out by Pakistani troops and remember that was their best of their best. Yes, they could take over any country in Africa, but they could never control it, much like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

      emile.eley - 2011-12-03 21:30

      Uhm Ian, cast your mind back to Somalia when the Rangers, Delta, etc got their asses handed to them. Manda is spot on. The States is still picking the sand out of its ass!

      fishycraig - 2011-12-04 01:10

      So let me get this straight emile. You think some Somali warlord and his drugged up militants handing the American's asses back at them is a victory? Yeah, they got beaten there but where is Somalia nowadays? Take the smallest, most backwater town in the States and it will be more prosperous than that sand trap. America goes on without blinking an eyelid.

      Garth - 2011-12-04 06:50

      @manda, emile - you both really do not have an idea do you? Watch one movie biased towards america's stuff-ups and you are experts. Read the dossiers on the full campaign and then form an opinion. Oh yes a ratio of 1100:19 (dead somali terrorists to dead american soliders) is not an ass-kickin, especially when the somali cowards his behind women and children. And pakistani soldiers could not bail a cat out of a well.

      Juan - 2011-12-04 08:45

      I wish Bob would try and arrest him

      George - 2011-12-04 12:59

      Only reason the States ass got kicked in Somalia is because they still worry about innocent people getting hurt or killed, they could have gone in blazing away and could have blown the drug lords away and so forth, but unlike the more educated and civilized States these barbarians don't worry about the Innocent they hide behind them .America can wipe Somalia of the face of the earth if they wanted to.

  • Sebabi Mubiru Job - 2011-12-03 13:27

    Zambia to arrest Bush for violating the human torture laws!!!!

  • jsibasa1 - 2011-12-03 14:22

    Zambia having Bush on their shores that is wonderful. When Sata came into power just a month and half ago he made it clear that he has some scores to settle and one of those scores was to face the nast dictator of Zimbabwe Robert Mugabe. Sata demaded payments which were made during the Rhodisian Federation amounting more than $72 million to be paid to Zambia or else Zambia is not going to coorperate in the cinstruction of a hydro electric plant on Zambezi goege. It is understood Zimbabwe will pay that credt which was done in 1950s. Maybe with an American military camp in Zambia Mugabe can be tackled once and for all.

      Shirley - 2011-12-03 14:45

      Proble, is what are they going to pay the debt back with?

      Michael McN - 2011-12-04 00:01

      Zambia, being landlocked, lacks shores. Let us hope she will not lack devotion to the rule of law. She can show this devotion by arresting George Bush. An arrest is not a conviction. The charge has been made, let the accused answer it. If he is innocent, he will walk free and Zambia can hold her head high for being a good global citizen. If he is guilty, he will be punished and Zambia will get the pat on the back every cop gets when capturing a wanted felon. Looking the other way, though, merely indicates a different set of kaponyes have come to roost at State House. At this point, that's exactly the message Michael Sata does NOT need to send the world. Why should the rest of the world help another two-bit crook fleece his nation? They''ve seen that movie before.

      fishycraig - 2011-12-04 01:14

      Come on you people. You think Zambia would even remotely consider arresting Bush? This is the problem with liberal-minded twits. They are so busy living in ivory towers they forget the real world of terrorists, REAL dictators, etc. It is only the freedom of the American way that gives these people the chance to voice their utterances in America.

      Garth - 2011-12-04 06:54

      @michael - at 01h00 you probably should have been asleep, then you would not have posted such drivel. Stop taking those drugs.

  • david.lebethe - 2011-12-03 14:25

    I support the call. He should also be made to answer for "weapons of mass destruction" in Irag and let ICC also investigate his predecessor for kidnapping of Osama Bin Laden from Pakistan and charge them both for miseries they brought about on people of Lybia.

      George - 2011-12-04 13:11

      What a twat you are

  • - 2011-12-03 14:45

    What annoys me the most is people thinking that Bush should be left alone? This man makes Osama Bin Laden seem a child when it comes to evil. He is responsible for over 100 000+ civilian deaths, torture of innocents (research a bit, a lot of people taken to Guantanamo were later released as they were found to be innocent, this was after many days of torture though), invading states recognised by the UN and ignoring UN laws. Mugabe might have messed up his own country, but what exactly has Bush done for his own country let alone the world? Would an innocent man pass a law before he lost power to absolve him of any guilt and prevent any chance of prosecution in his own country? Sounds like something Mugabe would do doesn’t it, however that’s exactly what Bush did. The complete ignorance shown here is alarming. He has committed many wrongs and if others (Saddam Hussein, African Warlords etc.) must be made accountable why not him? I would throw Tony Blair in with Bush as his puppet did as much damage as the puppeteer. Howcome it only seems that Africans and a very few Serbs are taken to the ICC? And dont reply with the racist nonsense its due to them being African. I for one support Amnesty International for being an organisation that stands up and challenges these wrongs. Unlike the many others that just hope everyone else will forget.

      Anthony - 2011-12-03 15:41

      i can only but agree with u --the only irony is that they ask zambie, who have a disgusting record of abuse themselves however in america not only did he do all you said ,he also destroyed the americans via looking the other way when wall street was gready and stealing i think the days of america being the moral saviour of the world [not that they ever were] is long gone-- washington is as corupt and incompetent as the worst in the world no doubt 8 years of georgie porgie has cost them dearly and they are now on their knees --with washington and obama to help they will soon be on their ass the days of saying ''im an american'' in a boastfull and superior manner are over---the tragedy is its only the americans who dont see this

      ccpvandam - 2011-12-03 16:32

      you dont know what you are talking about!!

      kimsha - 2011-12-03 20:46


      fishycraig - 2011-12-04 01:17

      Manda - why are you not so vocal on the taliban holding (and admittedly are going to kill) their latest American hostage? Or the taliban killing schoolgirls? Or blowing up statues? Or slaughtering innocent people? Or pushing the heroin trade? Oh wait, manda(not-so)sharp is too biased to admit that any of that is actually bad. - 2011-12-04 04:21

      @fishycraig I am not sure where you are coming from..? This topic and discussion is about Bush yes? Where did I say anything about supporting the Taliban? Please reread what I wrote, I stated if others that do wrong are to be made accountable (in your case the Taliban) why not the same for him? I would like to think as a world we want to punish those that commit crimes, and not just persecute those we dont like. It does seem to only way people disagree with me is with the use of a nursery school play on my name instead of actual facts. Incase you are wondering , I do no support the Taliban or anyone else that subjugates others as a form of rule.

      George - 2011-12-04 13:22

      And we feel so sorry for you that you are annoyed, just mention the fact that Osama killed 3000 innocent people please don'd leave that bit out excluding all the other people that he killed. You are such a Dickhead, I am sure you are also a Mugabe supporter, and a Gadaffie supporter and a Iranian supporter oh yes and lets not forget ANC supporter

  • Luapolku - 2011-12-03 16:52

    Bush should not only be arrested but be tried and be given justice, there is not a single person in history with more blood onn their hands then Bush, this savage is responsible for the murder rape and torture of millions of iraqis and afghanis.

      fishycraig - 2011-12-04 01:20

      Your lack of knowledge when it comes to history shouldn't come as a surprise. Just out of curiosity, what is your stance on Obama? That is Obama. Not Osama.

      George - 2011-12-04 13:30

      I dont think you have ever heard of Hitler have you . Oh no wait you guys dont learn history at school anymore then you would know that Hitler killed a lot more than what you are accusing Bush of doing. Bush had good reason to do what he did. Now be a good little kid and go and google Hitler and see what Hitler did was just because he wanted total word domination.But yes sadly you dont learn history at school only how bad you poor little blacks were treated by the Apartheid government, shame and actually you guys are worse of now

      George - 2011-12-04 16:31

      well if you read Luapolku'S comment about the person with the most blood on their hands in History then you will know why I mentioned Hitler, so you also have bolts for brains or what maybe you should read all the comments before you comment

      George - 2011-12-04 16:36

      Oh and Sluleka I do not see the Americans building concentration camps and gassing millions of people, but of course to you guys seeing people like Gadaffie and Saddam as hero's shows what type of people you are

      fishycraig - 2011-12-05 04:17

      And I am sure you guys love ol' Stalin - killed even more than Hitler. Just, along with George, dismayed at the "not a single person in history with more blood on their hands" statement from Lua. Just shows what they teach in schools nowadays.

  • Luapolku - 2011-12-03 17:03

    Bush lied millions died

  • mluleki.simelane - 2011-12-03 19:39

    During Bush's term as the USA president, Africa received Billions of dollars in aid from his administration, no African state will arrest him.

  • John - 2011-12-03 20:55

    Amnesty Internationla used to be a worthwhile organisation but have now lost all credibility due to their hypoctical anti-western leftist stance.

  • Kevin - 2011-12-04 06:38

    Pot calling kettle black

  • Winsome - 2011-12-04 06:47

    Of course they wont arrest Bush - and risk a war against America? Stupid, stupid, stupid!

  • braamc - 2011-12-04 09:22

    God you know, Africans?

      Garth - 2011-12-04 10:02

      What are you smoking boertjie? You have placed a question mark at the end of your fragmented sentence, so you are asking a question, but what are you asking? Are you asking your god if he/she/it knows Africans? Probably a silly question if you believe in a god. Surely he/she/it knows everything - they do nothing with the knowledge admittedly, but you religious people believe that they know everything anyway. So what are you asking?

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