ANC offers election help to Zanu-PF

2011-12-11 17:10

Johannesburg - The African National Congress has offered to help President Robert Mugabe's ruling Zanu-PF win the next elections in neighbouring Zimbabwe, press reports said on Sunday.

"We are willing to assist in coming up with election messages and strategies that would deliver victory," ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe told Zanu-PF's annual congress Saturday in Zimbabwe's second city Bulawayo, The Sunday Times reported.

"It is important for Zanu-PF to regain lost ground and continue to represent the aspirations of the people of Zimbabwe," he was quoted as saying.

Observers voiced surprise at the offer, since Mantashe has frequently criticised the autocratic rule of President Robert Mugabe, 87, who has led Zimbabwe since independence in 1980.

They expect it to wrong-foot President Jacob Zuma - who is both ANC president and the regional Southern African Development Community's mediator for Zimbabwe, where Zanu-PF is in a conflictual unity government with the opposition Movement for Democratic Change led by Morgan Tsvangirai.

"These are government-to-government relations, and Zuma is working under the auspices of SADC, [while the] ANC is a different animal altogether," Mantashe said, according to the online newspaper The Zimbabwean.

"[The] ANC must interact with some of the sister parties in the region."

He added: "The ANC wishes to affirm her commitment to being a good and trustworthy neighbour to a fellow liberation movement."

"We will send campaign strategy teams to work with you; this will be the best way to celebrate the centenary of the ANC in January 2012," he said.

At Saturday's rally, Mugabe called on his supporters to unite behind him to win elections which he would like to see held next year.

  • Larry - 2011-12-11 17:27

    They would wouldn't they. Brooks helping one another out.

      Ampers - 2011-12-11 17:35

      Well, Larry, all I can say is, if anyone is surprised at this (a) they don't really follow politics and (b) they have little knowledge of the ANC. Muggy was a "freedom Terxxx Fighter" so the others will always back them. It isn't rocket science, and it doesn't require a very large brain to work that out.

      Lodewyk - 2011-12-11 18:33

      It's still f-ed up though! Shows how much they care about the ones suffering as a result of Zanu..

      Dave - 2011-12-11 19:02

      Isn't this the kind of statement that Juju just got in trouble for as the MDC is still part of the existing government. ???

      Thandiwe - 2011-12-11 19:42

      What are you doing Mantashe? Are you mad?

      Gollum - 2011-12-11 19:58

      Birds of a feather... At least they can no longer claim "silent diplomacy" when we all know it was "backdoor approval".

      Delusion - 2011-12-11 22:07

      Mugabe's 5th brigade murdered some 20 000 Matabeles. The ANC now actively support this mass murderer. Yet condemning Israel in the strongests possible terms... What a sick immoral bunch of blatant spineless ideologically blinded double standard thugs.

      Spyker - 2011-12-11 22:47

      Indeed @Delusion.., There are also international sanctions against members of Zanu-PF for gross human-rights violations - what are the international legal ramifications for openly supporting international terrorists..? As the official opposition - I would like to know from the D.A. how they view this matter.., eg.., - How parliament responds to the fact that the ANC is supporting international terrorists..? I.o.w what is/are the legal implications. - Will the D.A. consequently be supporting the MDC..? - Will the D.A. lobby international support (particularly from the countries that have imposed sanctions against Zanu) to put sanctions against the ANC (e.g. the USA, etc)..? One would think it is 'matter of course', as sanctions naturally apply to those- as well as to those who support them (specifically if the support is as vocal as is the case here). - Will the D.A. be lobbying for international support for the M.D.C. - specifically as the Chinese have also (openly) pledged their support for Zanu-PF. This is rather bizarre as there is currently a 'power-sharing' government in Zim - are the Chinese therefore planning to coax Zanu-PF to a win..? All the more reason for international involvement.

      Ryan - 2011-12-12 16:21

      so the ANC/SA government are actively campaigning for another country's government ???????? bizarre. and a sh1tty, corrupt, disastrous party mind you !!! I shouldnt be surprised. pigs at the same trough.

      Joseph - 2011-12-13 02:51

      Liberation movemant parties` fears are losing power.So absessed with power to such an extant that they have to help each other even if that other has reached sell by date.

      Bob - 2011-12-13 08:36

      Just when you think they can't get any lower they pull another rabbit out of the hat and sink even lower, is there no limit to this pathetic ANC.

  • Ron - 2011-12-11 17:33


      Thabo - 2011-12-11 18:27

      well Margie u r more than welcome to go but do not invite other SAns to go with u. it is called "the strugle continues" we want our freedom. we are getting poorer and poorer while ur minorities are getting richer and richer. dont u have a conscience u racist? how long have blacks suufered under white minorities? it was God given so u say?

      Brian - 2011-12-11 19:21

      Thabo! Can't you see it? The only minority getting richer here is the hierarchy of the ANC. What struggle are you actually talking about? I don't see any struggle from the electorate to curb the out-of-control ANC 'government'. As for ZANU - the entire world can see what that megalomaniac Mugabe has done to ruin one of the most amazingly beautiful and productive countries in the world. The problem is that you so-called 'struggle' artists can't see it. Wake up. As Lodewyk so rightly said - we ALL want the same thing. So pack up your racist excuses and be a MAN, Thabo - help to make this country a good place to live - for black, for white, for indian, for coloured, for EVERYONE.

      Smell - 2011-12-11 19:25

      Thabo. Neither you or Mantashe are making any sense. One must really be retarded and/or hopelessly biased to ascribe Zimbabwe's failures since 2000 to the "minorities". Did Zimbabwe get richer or poorer since Mugabe went on a rampage to "Africanize" that country since 2000? Why did millions Zimbabweans flee to RSA during this time? So what kind of healthy reasoning would want to give Mugabe his big stick back? And the end result of a lack of sense is poverty.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-11 19:35

      @Thabo. Brother you need to sit down and think about your own motivations in life. You must be careful that your hatred of white people doesn't become the poison that kills you in the end. Sure they think we are stupid. Just read their comments. But our struggle is no longer about them. Us and Zim have now been free for along time. Zim 30 years and their economy is in the gutter because their leader is taking emotional decisions rather than thinking about how his people can benefit from what is currently at hand. By taking the farms away from whites will only result in us having to import food at a much higher cost. These socialist/communist ideologies have all failed around the world and we need to learn from other countries' mistakes. Forget the whites and focus on how we are going to save ourselves. If the white farmers are putting food on your table, get on with your career and stimulate the economy by giving your best. Too much time is spent on hating in this country and too little time on solving our real issues. HIV/Aids, The foreigners that have taken over the retail in this country. Tragically most of us are on about the whites, but the silent Chinese have become a much bigger threat than the whites ever were.

      Bigrp - 2011-12-11 19:54

      Well Ibhubesi, the problem is that these type of statements from Gwede and then Thabo on this forum will let people think you are stupid (doesn't matter if you are black or white), because anybody who thinks that Bob is good for Zim clearly has no brains.

      Vegi - 2011-12-11 20:06

      Ibhubesi You are either a white person or a shallow minded black idiot. On what facts is your assertion that we will import food if we take back our land founded. People like you need to be decisively dealt with (re-educated) lest your laxity poison future generations with stupid pessimism and shallow minded views. Our land is our land and we will take it even if it is in the hands of green people.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-11 20:06

      I know Bigrp. Here is the our problem. The mud slinging is getting nobody anywhere and I wish the whites would rather take up an educational role on here than calling us names. If a black man has got to the point in life where he has accrued enough education to be able to comment on here, he is also mentally capable to be taught sound business principles. But in stead a lot of commentators elect to take out their racial superiority and come flaunt it on here. Many of these commentators on here had a head start in life and got an education. They should change their attitude and start educating those that didn't get to school, for whatever reason. I myself have learned so much from educated white men on these forums. But that is because I want to make money and not spend my life hating whites.

      Juan - 2011-12-11 20:24

      Savage scumbag crime syndicate

      cameronrh1 - 2011-12-11 20:43

      @Ibhubesi, you my man are educated, and you know what you are seen as a bigger threat to "black" people than what what whites are to them. You are able to think for yourself, and thus create a future for yourself. I applaude you, you didnt stand back and wait for the chicken hamper handout, you decided to go out and make a life for yourself and work and not have everything handed to you. After 17 years (SA) and 30 (Zim), both leading to financial ruin one would think people can see for themselves the destruction these 2 governments have cause. After 17 years, if you are still living off grants and blaming the "white" man for having more i am afraid that person has only themselves to blame. Big up to Ibhubesi!

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-11 20:48

      @Bigrp. Sorry, I take back my statement. As you have read my own people are calling me names. @Vegetable. Do you think the white farmers are going to hand you the keys to their Million Rand tractors as well? You obviously have no clue what the capital input of a farmer is to give you the tomatoes you buy so conveniently at the supermarket. When you have done some research on input costs and market realisation of produce, then come make these statements on here. This has nothing to do with race. the farmers are putting food on your table and the Landbank doesn't have enough money to loan you to get a farm going. You don't believe me? Try them yourself. I dare you!

      Pennylope - 2011-12-11 20:58

      I feel sorry for you Vegi.. Your comment is so stupid it's laughable. You just don't get it do you. Go back to school and you might understand one day.

      Smell - 2011-12-11 21:20

      OK Vegi - explain why Zim went from breadbasket to basket case when agricultural specialists (commercial farmers) were chased off their farms. It is only ignorant people that think land is the the only requirement for productive farming. Try education first.

      Richard - 2011-12-12 04:05

      Thabo you are struggling, is it perhaps because you seem to be idiots at business? Or a little lazy to study and work hard for anything? You know if you accepted white settlers to buy land hundreds of years ago you might not be in this position. Your tribes resisted everything white - a black apartheid was in place and whites couldn't emigrate or buy land here. So its your own fault you are poor today by resisting to modernize for hundreds of years and didn't want to accept white presence in this land.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-12 06:18

      Thabo, the only reason you're getting poorer is due to your beloved self serving corrupt ANC. But you don't seem to mind them stealing you blind. I'll never understand people like you, maybe your racism blinds you.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-12 06:25

      Vegi, perhaps its due to the fact that you have already taken 1000's of hectares of land from us, and 99% of that land is now completely unproductive. If you're gonna take all our land, the current situation indicates that you certainly will be importing all your food. You spend too much time hating us and too little trying to improve your lives by effort. Problem with your type is you think once you have all our stuff it'll make you better off, even if you sit under a tree with a finger up your nose. You have a false idea of reality. And you idolise thugs.

      EttieneC - 2011-12-12 12:06

      Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ooooh that was... Oh wait... WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thabo you owe me a new pair of jeans! I just pissed myself!!! You truely are a funny man! Do you do Stand-up at private functions? Whats your going rate?

  • proafrikaans - 2011-12-11 17:37

    I think Comrade Mantashe has it a..rse about face. Clearly it is Mugabe and his cronies who are teaching the Azanian Native Cancer a thing or two about land grabs, crime, voter intimidation, the abuse of state power and all the usual dirty tricks so typical of this begging-bowl continent's liberation movements. The Azanian Native Cancer has already mastered the most important lesson well: Ruin the education system so that your idiot voters will burn tyres and loot municipal offices the one day, but still vote for your party the next. It is only to the uneducated that this kind of behaviour makes sense.

      EttieneC - 2011-12-12 12:11

      "Moss" - 1. any tiny, leafy-stemmed, flowerless plant of the class Musci, reproducing by spores and growing in tufts, sods, or mats on moist ground, tree trunks, rocks, etc. 2. a growth of such plants. 3. any of various similar plants, as Iceland moss or club moss. 4. Chiefly Scot. and North England . a swamp or bog. go comment on "" Still ripping the "nicknames" people choose "Moss"?

  • Twolips - 2011-12-11 17:39

    I'm not surprised. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. I hope the Zimbabweans residing in SA and elsewhere will protest loudly against this decision (although it might not help)and the rest of the world should be told.

  • Hunter - 2011-12-11 17:43

    I wonder who will be teaching whom about rigging elections and winning. I think they want to get some tips from Bob to see how they can "win" back the western cape.

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-12-11 17:44

    LOL, one can only imagine what would happen if anyone in the DA said, "ANC is a different animal altogether"!

  • tobydt - 2011-12-11 17:45

    Ive seen a similiar headline somewhere... "ANCYL offers election help to opposition parties in Botswana" Wait... Wasnt juju fired for this?

      Sean - 2011-12-13 13:19

      Yip , I thought the same !

  • lhaarhoff - 2011-12-11 17:52

    Bring back Malema .................. At least he tells the TRUTH

      Bob - 2011-12-13 14:18

      Get rid of them all, this government I'm talking about, because they all tell big fat lies including Malema.

  • Shoe - 2011-12-11 17:57

    I am surprised and confused. Just when you think you heard and seen it all with the ANC, they go and show you a new low.

      Vegi - 2011-12-11 18:56

      This is a new high, my friend.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-12 06:30

      Vegi, why call a person "Friend" when you obviously don't like them? Oh, sorry, forgot, you love the ANC - and thats how devious ANC brains reason.

  • Wilbert - 2011-12-11 17:57

    Since SA's ANC led government passed the Secrecy Bill which everyone could see was retrogressive and an affront on democracy; President Zuma and ANC knew they could never again lecture Mugabe on democracy and good governance. Lindiwe Zulu, President Zuma’s right hand person in his role as SADC mediator to the Zimbabwe crisis toned down her up to then softly, softly approach to nothing. The week before the Secrecy Bill was passed she was in Zimbabwe talking of a coming visit by President Zuma to get the principal to the GPA to address outstanding issues. After the bill was passed the visit was abandoned. So this statement by ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe to help Mugabe and Zanu PF to “win” the next elections is to be expected. ANC has lost all democratic credibility since the passing of the Secrecy Bill so why should it not support a fellow “liberation movement” that has too lost all democratic credibility a long time ago! It was very naïve of Tsvangirai to have signed the GPA believing Mugabe can somehow be transformer from the ruthless tyrant to a democrat and that SADC would ever push Mugabe to change.

  • sefeddt - 2011-12-11 17:57

    "It is important for Zanu-PFto regain lost ground and continue to represent the aspirations of the people of Zimbabwe," he was quoted as saying." Thousands died in Matabele land when Mugabe released his North Korean trained thugs lose. How exactly was that the aspirations of the people of Zimbabwe. The ANC have show by assisting Mugabe what their idea of freedom and democracy is.

  • Alfred - 2011-12-11 18:01

    Why are they even bothering with elections? Even when Robber Mugarbage loses he just keeps clinging on anyway.

      Dave - 2011-12-11 19:12

      @ Thabo, have you noticed how it is only the new black elite that benifit at the cost of the employment rate and creating more poor people. We must unite as africans, but under a government that is elected by the people and will work for the people, not just to enrich themselves. africa is awakening and must unite but let not the corrupt rule us.

      rory.short1 - 2011-12-11 19:36

      Thabo good and fair governance has nothing to do with race. That is why I, and many others, rejected Apartheid because it thought race had everything to with governance. Governance is about people, race is irrelevant.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:38

      Yo thabo. Dont know if you realised this, but technically, Bob LOST the last elections. How else would you explain a transition government? I didnt know that the victors had to share government with the losers :P

      Cheryl - 2011-12-11 19:43

      at Thabo, i guess then if white people didnt exist , you would stand up for your right s against ANC corruption and speak out against people like Mugabe.....but yes we whies are angry and some peopel are fools saying foolish things... but that doesnt change the character of Mugabe and the many corrupt people in our ANC government. Open your eyes and use your own brain....then u will see. leave whites out of your thinking and u will still come to the same concluson as us....these people are not there for you and me. they are there for themselves. Mugabe, Zuma, Ghadaffi, etc etc....THIS IS NOT A RACIST COMMENT.

      Smell - 2011-12-11 19:47

      Thabo. Mugabe and ZANU-PF both lost the 2008 democratic election, despite brutal oppression and intimidation of the Zim voters. A colour blind person would never support a president and a party that lead their citizens into increasing brutality and poverty. You are evidently the racist here.

      Cheryl - 2011-12-11 20:05

      at Thabo. 'blacks are intensifying and uniting' you say. like a form of nationalism ....this is indeed dangerous. when they rally behind evil dicttators (mugabe) and corrupt leaders (zuma). how do u think hitler 'achieved' what he did.....WHAT U DONT REALISE IS THAT MOST WHITE S AFRICANS (YOUR SO-CALLED ENEMIES), WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF AN ANC THAT WAS HONEST,... AND OF NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY'S LEADERS IF THEY WERE NOT VICIOUS DICTATORS.... ....BUT IT APPEARS WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOICE OUR OPINION (DEMOCRACY???) WHEN WE SEE OR SUSPECT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. IT IS NOT A BLACK VS WHITE ANYMORE. IT IS THE PEOPEL AGAINST THE CORRUPT LEADERS...AND YOU SHOULD BE concerned too...

  • Jacqui - 2011-12-11 18:03


  • cornelius.ncube2 - 2011-12-11 18:08

    As a Zimbabwean residing in SA iam really shocked about comrade Gwede's speech at the zanupf congress.many zimbabweans think that its a misprint.surely anc wont like to see zimbabwe going back to where it was in 4 years ago.south africa is the first country to feel the pain if zimbabwe suffers.millions of zimbabweans are here simply because of the zanu's poor gorvenance,is nothing to do with sanctions.comrade gwede ask zimbabweans here and you will have inside info about are ill informed and already been brainwashed by zanu like juju.we had suffred a lot please give us free and fair elections so that we can elect a person of our own choice.really we had enough. cornelius zimbabwean

      trevor06 - 2011-12-11 18:11

      I agree!!!!!!! Bob must go!!! Why can't there be an Oswald of our times!!!

      Thabo - 2011-12-11 18:39

      comrade Ncube it is cdes like u who are sell outs, as old as u look u r misleading the new generation. Morgan does nto represent the Zimbabweans, he get choppers hired for him by bloody british and america. you speak english now and eat nice meals in SA u now think u are white? Africa needs to resist the constant interference by the west and thats what the ANC is trying to do. we wont let western opinions dictate for us how we must relate as Africans. we are Africans!

      Thabo - 2011-12-11 18:40

      Bob is going nowhere the ANC would be very guilty if they allow spies like Morgan to lead that honorable country.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:20

      Thabo - "Morgan does nto represent the Zimbabweans, he get choppers hired for him by bloody british and america." Oh? But Bob regularly uses Eastern hospitals. Therefore mugabe is a sellout, and he has sold your country to the east.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:22

      "Bob is going nowhere the ANC would be very guilty if they allow spies like Morgan to lead that honorable country." Thabo, Thabo, Thabo. South Africa has no right to interfere in the elections of Zim. That includes picking bob or morgans side. PS, hows that 95% unemployment rate doing? Are you feeling it?

      davieoosie - 2011-12-11 19:26

      Thabo - Given up on grammar I see. This is why we need better education. I wonder if education will help better your attitude and common sense also. You really hate white people I presume.

      Zion - 2011-12-11 19:44

      Hell, it is good hearing the absolute truth. And hell that truth really hurts, does it not friend Thabo? Give that man a First Watch.

      rory.short1 - 2011-12-11 19:52

      I agree with you completely Cornelius. Unfortunately it seems that there are many people in both the ANC and ZANU-PF who are members of these parties for reasons of self-service rather than public service. They try to hide their self-serving greed behind liberation rhetoric and racist accusations launched against their critics. The fact is they are simply not interested in providing the people with good governance. This is very sad indeed.

      wo0two0t - 2011-12-12 10:35

      @Thabo - and you would trust the Chinese over the West? Because that’s what the ANC are doing... like that is any better.

      Sean - 2011-12-13 13:22

      @Thabo- I tried so hard to just imagine how you think , but I can`t , it`s a metality that a normal developed brain can not understand!

  • Errol - 2011-12-11 18:09

    No surprise!!!ANC and Zanu PF are 'peas from the same pod'.They certainly do not want PROPER DEMOCRACY in Zimbabwe,and/or a transparent accountable government in South Africa.They both want to continue their thuggery,their lies and deception and,stay in power, to control the masses,the vote and hence the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!Imagine what the reaction of Zanu PF/ANC would be,if the DA openly supported the MDC in Zim??

      Smell - 2011-12-11 19:50

      I am beginning to think that "Thabo" is one of those White guys that cannot make an intellectually satisfying contribution, and thus resorts to provocateur under an African name.

      frank.hartry - 2011-12-11 20:36

      In my opinion, once Nelson Mandela has gone, this African National Congress government will unleash a host of draconian Zimbabwean style laws that will make the P.W. Botha government look like saints. [if that is possible] In the early 1990s Mugabe and his crony ZANUPF could not believe it when the people, they alone claim to have liberated from colonial rule, politically turned against Mugabe and started to look at the main opposition party the MDC as a potential alternative government. Mugabe and his ZANUPF henchmen subsequently turned on its own people and set about destroying the country of Zimbabwe. The ANC in South Africa is uncannily similar to ZANUPF. As soon as it realises that it is losing massive support it will turn on the people like a poisonous spitting snake and try and destroy South Africa. The Info secrecy coverup Bill is merely the first step. We South Africans must beware of this evil snake.

      Ronald - 2011-12-11 20:54

      Thabo, if you care to do your research you will find that SA WAS rated and has lost its rating as the most democratic country, the transparency rating has dropped together with our credit rating, level of education is down the toilet(as per parliamentary report), Amnesty International rates as ripe for genocide, etc, etc.

      wo0two0t - 2011-12-12 10:53

      A good democracy doesn't help if people like you have no clue how it works. There are far too many people blindly voting ANC... You know it, I know it and they know it - therefor they don’t need to strive to keep their votes and that’s why our service deliver is so piss poor. Why do you think the DA are doing so well in the Western Cape?

      Errol - 2011-12-13 07:40

      My forefathers Thabo,came from Europe and created opportunities elsewhere in the world.After 300 years of so called minority rule,South Africa,like the rest of Africa,have had the chance to see their beloved revolutionary leaders 'free' them from political slavery,but all they do Thabo is use the likes of YOU to remain and power while they rape the system!!Lastly Thabo,seek some help.....

  • VaMbozha - 2011-12-11 18:09

    Birds of the same feathers sh@#$t together

      trevor06 - 2011-12-11 18:12

      Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!! :D

      Thabo - 2011-12-11 19:11

      Errol surely u know nothing about democracy what u know is demoncrazy which was administered by your forefathers in this counrty. SA under the leadership of the ANC is rated the most democratic country in the world. so brother u r just angry that blacks are in power and are helping each other to remain in power over white sponsored Morgan. get ova yourself the ANC shall to the end of the world. God got the ANC in Power and will keep it there

      Smell - 2011-12-11 19:54

      I do not hate the ANC, but sure am disgusted by retards that think Mugabe's style of leadership should be acceptable in the year 2011. I did not like PW Botha's style of leadership and did not vote for him. So what makes you so proud to shove African dictators in my face? Evolution in reverse?

  • Wikus - 2011-12-11 18:10

    Janee soort soek soort ne....

  • Herman - 2011-12-11 18:14

    A staan vir Afrika, donker en swart.......

  • Joy - 2011-12-11 18:18

    Bunch of idiots!!!!

      Sean - 2011-12-13 13:24

      More like brainless savages

  • mamoshianem1 - 2011-12-11 18:25

    South Africa must stop sticking nose at other people's business.Zim never ask for help.We have too many problems as a country,that need to be sorted out.We must not act as if we are perfect,please don't fool the world.

  • MyTruth - 2011-12-11 18:38

    That is so disgusting to come from the ANC who are supposed to want freedom and fairness for all? How dare they offer to support Mugabe in any way? He has caused nothing but bloodshed, misery and pain to his own people. Gwede, go back to your hole in the ground. Snakes like the really dark and smelly ones. Mugabe must go, one way or the other!Perhaps the devil needs his assistant down below because it must be getting full down there with all the dictators filing up to enter!

  • Trevor - 2011-12-11 18:42

    Bye Bye SA...I'm off to China to work, at least there you know where you stand and what you get, may be crap but hell, it offers a future unlike SA. The ANC vomits one thing and then does another...Malema, I now understand he may be an utter ASS but, he speaks the REAL truth on what the ANC is thinking and going to do....

  • Vegi - 2011-12-11 18:44

    This is a very good move on the part of the ANC. I would be a sad day when the beautiful country of Zimbabwe is handed on silver platter to the evil imperialists. In as much as I believe in multi party democracy, Zimbabwe has a unique disadvantage of not having more than one genuine political party, the others being only imperialist agencies ready to sell Zimbabwe to the highest (imperialist) bidder.

      mike.clery - 2011-12-11 19:06

      Have you got a book, issued by your masters, of the vacuous phrases you keep quoting?

      Vegi - 2011-12-11 19:15

      I am not quoting any phrases other than stating the facts as they are. You should rather concentrate your energies on South Africa where you pay taxes and have citizenship instead of provoking an unoffending neighbour with your irresponsible statements.

      mike.clery - 2011-12-11 19:32

      Just a reminder - the *majority* of Zimbabweans voted *against* Zanu-PF (and Mugabe) in the last elections.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:47

      But Bob sold his country to the highest bidder (The Chinese).

      rory.short1 - 2011-12-11 19:58

      Rubbish Vegi. Why have so many people fled from Zimbabwe? It is because Robert and his mates would not tolerate any kind of opposition to their rule.

      Sunshine - 2011-12-12 00:30

      Vegi, what exactly does Zim have at the moment that anyone else in the world would want?

      mbossenger - 2011-12-13 09:25

      It's a good move by the ANC to support a regime guilty of human rights abuses?

  • frank.hartry - 2011-12-11 18:57

    When he was president for a short few months in 2009 lame duck Motlanthe gave the Mugabe government R300 million of SA taxpayers money which has never been accounted for. It simply disappeared apparently into the grubby hands of Mugabe and ZANUPF. That same month First lady shopaholic Graceless Mugabe and her huge entourage of servants and handmaidens went on a shopping spree TO Hongkong where it is believed she also purchased property. ZANUPF and this ANC are frightengly similar. They both will do anything to stay in power and support each other to that effect. We South Africans should be worried because the old adage of South Africa becoming another Zimbabwe is not a joke. The cover up secrecy Info bill which undoubtedly will be signed by Zuma, is just the start to a Zimbabwe style dictatorship in my opinion.

  • mike.clery - 2011-12-11 19:02

    This is a "mild" version of what Mantashe said. Read this report where Mantashe is quoted as saying that this was driven by Zuma (who's supposed to be a mediator!):

  • Marius Koen - 2011-12-11 19:04

    Mantashe: are you f#cking mad? Zanu PF are nothing but a bunch of oppressors. Do the ANC aspire to be like them?

  • Marius Koen - 2011-12-11 19:05

    China: the new Imperialists.

      Vegi - 2011-12-11 19:32

      Chinese are not imperialists, they are economic barons, owning the whole of Europe and United States. How I wish the Chinese would demand all their money at a moment's notice. I wonder what these insolvents will do.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:49

      "Chinese are not imperialists, they are economic barons, owning the whole of Europe and United States" Ah, so if the Americans do it, they are imperialists, but if the Chinese do it, they are "economic barons". Eish :P No wonder a fool like Jacob got elected as president.

      Ronald - 2011-12-11 21:00

      And when the USSR tried it by covert or direct revolution they became "comrades".

      Sunshine - 2011-12-12 00:33

      Vegi, they would have to sell their assets to pay their debts leaving them unable to buy any Chinese products

      mbossenger - 2011-12-13 09:26

      Vegi - aren't you contradicting yourself here? You talked about the imperialist west, and now claim the whole of the west is actually owned by China?

  • Vegi - 2011-12-11 19:06

    @Wilbert This is not about a Secrecy Bill, read the article. In fact there is no Secrecy Bill, it is called the Protection of Information Bill, mainly intended for foreign spies who are planted in all sectors of the South African population. This article is about a historic decision to help wrest our neighbour Zimbabwe from the evil jaws of imperialists who want to recolonize Zimbabwe through installing a puppet regime there. This will no longer happen thanks to the efforts of our gallant government. No cent should be spared in this effort.

      Dave - 2011-12-11 19:20

      Power to the people not the corrupt few white or black . Let the ordinary man share in the riches of Africa not the corrupt few.

      Ronald - 2011-12-11 21:05

      I see the communist rhetoric of 30 years ago has only now dawned on Thabo. Wake up, communism is dead, the wall has fallen, even the Chinese have embraced the capitalistic way of life, be it with similar draconic Protection of Information laws.

      Smell - 2011-12-11 21:31

      Foreign spies? I ask you! What secrets do the West want from the "Brother Leaders" in Africa? The secret art of corruption? The secret skill of cronyism? The secrets of mismanagement? The secrets benefits of not endorsing family planning when nobody has jobs? The secret benefits of ignoring a tidal wave of crime? The secret benefits of not encouraging the skilled job creators to remain in RSA? You are not only paranoid. You are also a fool.

      Sharon - 2011-12-11 22:54

      you are obviously not a tax payer,now switch off the madams komputah and go to bed

      mbossenger - 2011-12-13 09:27

      Any evidence the "imperialists" want to recolonise Zimbabwe?

      Kosie - 2011-12-13 10:39

      @ vegetable: I wonder if zanu pf wins, whether theusa will take their currency back and zim will start using their toilet paper again.

  • heinerl - 2011-12-11 19:12

    What's new? Definitely not surprising.

  • Getafix - 2011-12-11 19:14

    Liberation movement? The only movement i have seen is the Countries sliding into the dinosaur age, a few arguments like my father pooped here first isn't going to win you any votes from me.

  • rory.short1 - 2011-12-11 19:23

    This is unbelievable. The fact that ZANU-PF turned Zimbabwe into a failed state is obviously of no consequence to the ANC. Liberation per se is clearly much more important than providing a decent living environment for the now 'liberated' citizens of Zimbabwe. Citizens who, in fact, in pursuit of a decent life for themselves and their families have had to leave Zimbabwe in droves.

  • Zion - 2011-12-11 19:35

    I just could not believe what I was reading. The Zimbabwean society has its own dynamics which has kept it in a state of unsteady balance yet still balanced. If The ANC butts in with financial help to keep Mugabe, a dictator, in power, that balance will be disturbed and chaos will ensue and the repercussions will be aimed at South Africa. The opposition won the 2008 elections yet Mugabe failed to step down and pass the lead on. Another aspect of the election is the opposition may just not like external interference, South Africa, or otherwise and they could riot and vandalise the country which may have to be quelled by the military who will not stop at killing their countrymen. Any disturbance in Zimbabwe can, will, and may be placed at the feet of President Zuma and his government. The fact that Zuma is aiding and abetting a dictator and the possible murder of civilians could end in a trial at the Hague. Hope I am wrong.

  • Vegi - 2011-12-11 19:40

    rory.short1 Zimbabwe was the bread baskek of Africa until it was ruined by the stupid sanctions imposed by Britain, United States as well as the European Union. Don't believe all the contrary propaganda. The Western countries are responsible for the high unemployment figures.

      tobydt - 2011-12-11 19:50

      Nah, Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Africa until it was ruined by the stupid actions of ZanuPF and Mugabe. Dont believe all the contraty propaganda. The dictator is responsible for the high unemployment figures.

      Peter - 2011-12-11 19:51

      Dont you have to grow something to take it to market?

      Richard - 2011-12-11 21:02

      It was financial sanctions on Mugabe's bank account which he bankrolled using the notes printed by the Zimbabwe central bank. Hence inflation, hyperinflation and unemployment, price controls and all the other Soviet era evils.

      Ronald - 2011-12-11 21:12

      Vegi, go look at satellite images reflecting the plant growth in Zim 40 years ago and compare that with more recent growth. The lack of plant growth due to mismanagement is so severe that even local rain patterns have changed. At this rate God or something similar must be imposing sanctions against Zim.

      Smell - 2011-12-12 05:24

      Zim's economical collapse has clearly been the result of chasing agricultural specialists (commercial farmers) off their land, just because they happened to be White. Some of them even bought their land AFTER 1980 when Zimbabwe was "liberated". There has been no sanctions against Zim's agriculture. Just against Mugabe and his cronies. You are a fool.

      Ulindi - 2011-12-12 10:25

      @ Vegi - as previously commented. Educate yourself rather than ruin your credibility...your comments are naive and sorry to say ...STUPID! I''m not even going to start commenting on how wrong this comment of yours is and what the real reason is for Zim not being "the bread-basket of Africa" anymore. Go do your homework before making hasty UNEDUCATED comments

  • Anthony - 2011-12-11 19:53

    the anc is sic.

  • Enlightened - 2011-12-11 20:02

    Well. At long last we have been informed of what to expect. I have said this for a long time and been shunned for it. I guess it really is time to consider moving on, even for those of us whom at first glance are too old. It is going to happen, these characters will eventually dig into our pensions to try and cover up their empty promises and lack of any kind of vision. I really do not want to end my days under a bridge because of inept uneducated mismanagement. I owe my wife more than this.

  • Power - 2011-12-11 20:07

    Ek ken modder, en hierdie is NIE modder nie !!

  • willem.wulfse - 2011-12-11 20:25

    Birds of a feather stick together.

  • Sam - 2011-12-11 20:33

    @bhubesi, you are in dark unless you are ill informed judging from your comments, please come out of that mental slavery. Political freedom agree was achieved but that was nt the end of the strugle, black people cannt eat politics, the main challenge in front of all blacks is ECONOMIC FREEDOM, eish, Im nt sure what do you mean when you say someone must go on whith life. When the Afrikaners took power from the English in 1948 their next step was to advance themselves economically by means of nationalisng Transnet,Telkom,Iscor,Land grab where blacks were forcefully removed from their Lands under the Acts of Land Act/Group Areas Acts etc.I dont understand why it is so sensetive today when were are addressng those unjustices of the past because Land grab was started by Afrkaners themselves now its painfully when they are suppose to bring back stolen proprty. Regarding farmng blacks were farming long ago, it was our bread n butter until we were removed from our land thats when poverty/hunger /HIV started wake up you black man, where are comng from.

      Ronald - 2011-12-11 21:20

      If you care to learn more about ibhubezi, you will find that he had worked for his own economic freedom despite a hell of a lot more stacked against him than the average Joe Soap. No handouts, no feeling sorry for himself, no being happy just working to attain the expectations of others, but working and attaining to his potential. Not bad for a guy once living in a drain pipe at the age of 9.

  • Grant - 2011-12-11 20:33

    Just prooves once again, the ANC has ZERO interest in Democracy. Instead of telling that old FART to B*gger Off, they want to help him win.... Get real, GeeWendy. That Idiot needs to go.

  • Richard - 2011-12-11 20:39

    They never were for democracy after all. Rule till Jesus comes or the devil.

  • Ben - 2011-12-11 21:28

    Ibhubesi keep on talking. I wish you would become a politician and explain some issues on a broader front. Some of us have a lot to learn

  • Jean-Marc - 2011-12-11 21:53

    It seems more and more plausable that the ANC is constantly looking to upset whites in this country.

  • geoffjleach - 2011-12-11 23:10

    No confidence ANC

  • leko.dada1 - 2011-12-11 23:14

    Same as wat ANCYL intended to do with opposition parties in Botswana...

  • Varena - 2011-12-11 23:32

    Here is someone who congratulates a man for kicking his partner so that they seperate and this someone takes the partner. Kukhona okutshaya amanzi.

  • Gilad - 2011-12-12 01:07

    Wish God would smite them

  • Mohamed - 2011-12-12 02:56

    in helping mugabe, king mswati, kabila,... all rulers of agonising countries, what really is south africa trying to achieve? the death of other african people?

      Smell - 2011-12-12 04:32

      Mohamed my man, very good line of questioning. There are major issues with common sense on this continent.

  • Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-12 06:13

    The most revolting thing about the ANC is how they chop and change the whole time. They are completely directionless, nobody knows where you stand with them. It is obvious that this organisation lacks any honesty or integrity at all, they follow any direction that suits them on the day. Its no wonder they are unable to govern this country. I have less than no respect for this lot.

  • braamc - 2011-12-12 07:01

    Gonna be sorry, but then ANC own worse enemy. Just gonna laugh, well SA tax payer probably funding the "free and fair" campaign like the previous, Bob shouldn't even be in his position, off course endorsed by our very own morally sick government. Can the cancer just progress already

  • Shlin Lincoln - 2011-12-12 07:05

    Giving due to the ANC...very consistent in consistency. Contradicts itself by the day. Whats wrong with them? Does the ANC really support destabilisation in the region? Well, if they shud answer this, i might get a whole lota conflicting answers. Yes?