It'll be messy if Tsvangirai wins - Zanu-PF

2012-10-18 14:05

Cape Town - President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF party has warned there could be bloodshed if Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai wins the country's elections scheduled for next year, a report said on Thursday.

Quoting e-News Channel Africa, the Zimbabwean Dailynews online said Zanu-PF spokesperson Rugare Gumbo revealed in a chilling interview how hardliners would find it difficult to hand over the reins of power to Tsvangirai.

"I can say it will be a mess. That is what I can tell you; it will be messy. We will be asking for too much from our guys [the military] to accept these people who we all know fought against them and were responsible for the deaths of many of their comrades," Gumbo said.

"They [hardliners] are human beings; they feel pained by the actions of the opposition and also by the West. I have told people several times that look, we laughed at what happened in Libya and we laugh at what is happening in Syria."

"These things can also happen here. There will be deaths. People could be killed and maimed and so on."

Gumbo's utterances come a few days after Zanu-PF negotiator in the Global Political Agreement (GPA) Patrick Chinamasa was criticised for making the same statements during an interview with BBC.

Chinamasa vowed Tsvangirai would not win next year’s election and that his victory would be unacceptable because of his links to the West.

Pro-democracy groups, including the MDC, have accused Zanu-PF of militarising the electoral process, insisting that hardliners in the military would prevent Tsvangirai from assuming power in the event that he wins.

Zimbabwe is expected to head for elections in March next year.

  • dirk.klaver.7 - 2012-10-18 14:23

    Why hold elections then you clowns , What a Zoo , so much for free and fair as long as we win WTF. You make me sick I hope you all rot in hell for what you have done to Zim.

      Larry - 2012-10-18 15:06

      Precisely. What is the point of a majority vote, when the minority will not accept the will of the majority?

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-10-18 15:27

      the home of democracy has spoken! They will NEVER understand it, still with the attitude that I, big chief sitting pudding pie, will reign for 1000000 suns and will be rich for my subjects know this is good.

      keith.chiponda - 2012-11-10 04:41

      Now now Dirk throwing a tantrum wont bring back uncle Jannies' farm now will it ?

  • clive.wannenburg - 2012-10-18 14:25

    What about free and fir elections? if they lose and sont give in this time AU must step in and over throw this dictator. what makes me laugh is Malema idealizes Bob and his disrespect for his people.

      clive.wannenburg - 2012-10-18 14:28

      Man my typing is as bad as there policies. (Fair elections and don't give in)

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-18 14:26

    It will be messy anyway, because Morgan is at best incompetent.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-18 15:27

      Nope - it will be even messier if he doesn't win

  • ndokweni - 2012-10-18 14:30

    Zim will spilt twice like sudan

      christopher.shining - 2012-10-18 14:36

      Make sure malema is where it splits!

  • scheepers - 2012-10-18 14:31


  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-10-18 14:32

    so if they lose at the poles, they will start a civil war, is that what they are saying, just goes to show, they are dictators, who cling to power. Unfortunately for ZIm I think the only way out is to do what they did in Lybia, fight the bastards & cut the head off the snake, Malemas mentor, Mugabe

      UncleShep - 2012-10-18 14:37


      phahla.matwa - 2012-10-18 14:58

      They can't fight mugabe because they r busy messing up joburg cbd insert of goin bk 2 zim

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-10-18 15:29

      wonder how long till we hear "If the DA win things will get messy"

  • mparrster - 2012-10-18 14:36

    such a mature democratic country!!!

  • Steven - 2012-10-18 14:38

    There you have it, clear as day that they'll attempt a coup when they lose the next election. So whats the point of having elections if you'll never accept any other result? Do they think we are too stupid to chose a leader of our choice? Apart from causing widespread distress, poverty and self enrichment, what can they claim to have given us apart from end a war? Ve Zanu, i don't care what you think of me but look yourselves in the mirror and tell what the current leadership of your party has done for you? Most of you are not even in Zim so to hell with your nonsense about Zanu is for people, if Zanu is so great why are you not in Zimababwe "enjoying the fruits of the liberation"? Two faced idiots!!

      phahla.matwa - 2012-10-18 14:54

      Mugabe behaves lyk da apartheid regime

  • bathandwa.ngoma - 2012-10-18 14:39

    Its already messy and Tsvingarai is no longer a challenge to Mogabe instead he is busy promising all girls to marry them. I think he is tired of getting beaten by Mogabe ppl. Messy messier messiest that’s Zimbabwe for you

  • johann.enslin.9 - 2012-10-18 14:40

    Early threats to the populace. Listen to the childish argument. From covert bull ti explicitly overt threats. Bunch of imbeciles.

  • RealEyes - 2012-10-18 14:46

    This is what Malema thinks we must aspire to...

  • gerald.mphuthi - 2012-10-18 14:46

    That the lesson Malema wanted us to learn Mess101

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-18 14:48

    When The West is done with Iran they must head south to bobs palace...

  • eddie.serane - 2012-10-18 14:51

    already a messy

  • darryl.scott.77770 - 2012-10-18 14:51

    Like Malema said "we can learn a lot from Zimbabwe"

  • phahla.matwa - 2012-10-18 14:52

    What's the use of holding elections if u threaten 2 harm da opposition party. Zanu pf sucks. Malema sucks

      heini.botes - 2012-10-18 15:05

      The very same thing will happen here in our beloved South Africa the day, and that day will come, the DA wins the elections. These mindless barbaric cANCer thugs will never just hand over power. It's a bleak view i know, but we've seen it happen over and over again in Africa

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-18 14:53

    impeachment is urgently needed befor its too late

  • Brad - 2012-10-18 14:55

    Headline in 2019: "It'll be messy if Zille wins - ANC"

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-18 15:30

      I thought the DA as a democratic organisation Zille's term is only limited to two terms, so definately she will be long gone by that time maybe the leader will be the Theologian, Mmusi Maimane

      Brad - 2012-10-18 15:35

      @lerato. Length of term has exactly ZERO to do with democracy. If the people keep voting for the same entity, does that disqualify the process as democratic?

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-18 15:46

      Democracy have everything to do with the constitution! DA's Federal constitution is bold about a limit of 2 terms. So definately its Zille's last unless she tempers with the consititution.

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-18 14:56

    Typical Africa style democracy of which the ANC no doubt shares the same mentality. Once they have tasted power, they will do whatever it takes not to relinguish it.

  • buti.lembe - 2012-10-18 14:58

    It'll be much better if Mugabe announce that Zim is the only totalitarian state in Africa cause for what his saying is true, it'll be a disaster and those who'll be injured are innocent people.

  • barend.steyn.9 - 2012-10-18 15:04

    Those idiots in ZanuPF are declaring war on the Zimbabwean population and must be taught a lesson. They haven't got a 'P' brain amongst them and before they do more damage to the country they6 must be removed.

  • zmbiba - 2012-10-18 15:05

    Zim....Zim... Honestly, there is no democracy in "democratic elections'. Africans should should stop fooling themselves. Allow ZANU-PF to protect Zimbabwe for Zimbabweans. Viva Mugabe..

      heini.botes - 2012-10-18 15:44

      Hahahahahaha, i don't even have a reply to this stupid comment...and even if i did i doubt that you would have understood it. Viva Mugabe, classic, hahaha

      lunga.matsikechangu - 2012-10-18 21:45

      I will say it in the lingo u undestand best .musatanyoko beche ramai vako.

  • - 2012-10-18 15:06

    You look at a poll that says 31 percent support Bob and 19 support Tsvangirai and 47 were scared to say. If you are smart, the 47 percent are opposition members supporting Tsvangirai coz they could easily say if the supported Bob. Alarm bells are ringing for those who have milked the country for 3 decades. If the Zanu party trusts its popularity, it would be quiet. There you get it, no matter what they have told the people of Zim, they can not get the ballots. Plan B, use the bullets. Its good Zim has the death penalty. Some of these utterances will become handy when people open up the gallows.

  • tolo.maano - 2012-10-18 15:09

    I guess this is wat malema learned from mugabe....yah indeed it will be messy in 2024 whn COPE wins da election...

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-18 15:25

    Very sad to say but unfortenately would be very similar in SA if the DA was strong enough to challenge the ANC nationally.

  • fly.onthewall.54 - 2012-10-18 15:28

    Give it "horns" Tsvangirai, ur people want to come home and build a prosperous, peace loving Country. Time to clean-up the mess created by the DICTATOR and his CRONIES...

  • maluxionn - 2012-10-18 15:45

    Do those pple understand what democracy is.After all what is de use of having elections when they'll be a bloodshed if an opposition wins,I'm buffled by dis statement .This man think his party owns that country,And here at home we have got a malema who surpots those pple,who thinks like those pple en who acts like those pple still pple say Zimbabwe is better than before with this kind thinking.sies maan

      heini.botes - 2012-10-18 15:52


  • flysouth - 2012-10-18 16:16

    No possibility of any free and fair elections then - that much is clear already from the utterances of the ZANU tyrants. It really is time for the AU to lay down the law, along with a promise that the country will be temporarily annexed in order to force ZANU to toe the line. Fat chance of that happening of course!

  • sxp - 2012-10-18 16:45

    Zim is a lost case. No matter what happens the military is entrenched and barring outside intervention of a military kind, will never let go of control.

  • maven.punk.5 - 2012-10-18 17:05

    Hope it is bloody for you PF

  • ludwe.kolwapi - 2012-10-18 19:41

    If the 10million zimbabweans that are here could jus go back to zim and vote the @ass out,maybe their country would be a better place,don't runnaway from your countrys problems

  • rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-18 19:53

    I would rather listen 2 chicken politics

  • vincent.vinsaint - 2012-10-18 20:08

    I have heard this before! From Hugo Chavez! Before Venezuela national elections 2012! Mugabe you over the hill...voetsek!

  • chokufuka.pokuwarira - 2012-10-18 20:42

    Vanhu vezanupf vagara imbudzi vanofunga kuti kumasoja ndeazanupf,masoja ndeezimbabwe

  • taruvinga.chikore - 2012-10-18 21:38

    Why going into a match wen u r not prepared 2 accept th result. Its even worse, wen blood is promised 2 shed on th pitch in th event of a los. How come these pple r already toking of a defeat b4 th election? Its so embarassing 2 say th least. Stop th election Mr Shumba n run th country on yo own. Dont waste pple's time n money conducting thoz elections. Thot u guys were mo informed. SHAME!!!!

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-10-18 22:50

    So they saying let Mugabe win....that's not democracy, that's dictatorship.

  • scholesss - 2012-10-18 23:07


  • mlungisi.mwelase.9 - 2012-10-19 00:19

    How i wish Bush was still RULLING the WORLD!

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-19 08:55

    The only language ZANU understand is war..its that simple..all else should be taken of the table and the international community should back democracy in Zimbabwe with military support like they want to do in Syria,the African Union should support this call if they have any sympathy to save lives that have been threatened!African lives at risk and Arab lives equal the value.We will see what the response form The African Union and The UN is following this threat of violence by ZANU-PF!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-10-19 09:11

    And as usual; Africa and in particular the ANC and is retarded childrens wing will be the first in line to declare that the elections were free and fair. The Swiss will declare neutrality while the make obscene profits, and the western world will decry the violence and spend months discussing what need to be done,before doing the nothing they have become to apt at doing.

  • lourens.v.d.watt - 2012-10-19 16:05

    Democracy africa style. One man ,one vote ,once

  • ntemi.mark - 2012-10-19 19:38

    the south african national party used 2say that if voters vote 4the ANC the would be a war,there would be disaster,what disaster? what war? these are just tactics of politians there would be no disaster there would be no messy,politians must stop brainwashing ordinary pple,that's crap really

  • bornwell.dennison - 2012-10-20 11:01

    Elections for ZANU have always been meaningless,this is a party that once fought viciousily to turn Zimbabwe into a one party state but dismally failed.Like a cornered snake ZANU is coiled to strike at anyone that is persived to be opposition.The shameful statements by these frightened leaders say it all, they know it wont go well at the polls.They are vigorousily trying instil fear to the Zimbabwean populace but no amount of fear or threatening will stop the masses from making their choice.One wonders what the reaction of SADCC and AU will be if ZANU make good on its threat and illegally topple the elected Govenment.My two cents advise to SADCC and AU, ZANU has put out a warning,they shouldnt wait for the worst to happen but stop ZANU from disrespecting people of Zimbabwe and in the process embarass the whole region including SADCC,AU and the African mediating team.Zimbabweans have suffered enough, please help

  • keith.chiponda - 2012-11-10 04:42

    Please Phala Matwa are you even allowed in Joburgs CBD ? as a Zimbabwean I probably have more chance of succeeding in your country than you do !

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