Mbeki sends warning to Zim

2012-11-13 09:11

Johannesburg - Former president Thabo Mbeki has warned Zimbabwe's "predatory elite" to stop benefiting from the country's diamonds, Business Day reported on Tuesday.

"Diamond production must not be governed by a predatory elite which is in collusion with mining companies for its own benefit," said Mbeki.

"As elections loom in Zimbabwe next year, the country must prove that it is not a rogue state."

Mbeki was speaking at a Zimbabwe government conference on the diamond trade.

The Associated Press reported on Monday that at least $2bn worth of diamonds had been stolen from Zimbabwe's eastern diamond fields and enriched President Robert Mugabe's ruling circle, gem dealers and criminals.

  • mlucejko - 2012-11-13 09:17

    I think the ANC made a 'big mistake' when they replaced Mbeki with "Zoo'mer"

      frank.vankaapstad - 2012-11-13 09:23

      It's about time that "our" corrupt and racist Government proved to the world that we are not a rogue state.

      koos.meyer.52 - 2012-11-13 09:29

      Too late Mbeki, about 10 years too late, all those years your protected Mugabe and his thieving (and murdering) inner circle. The ANC are always so so far behind...

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-13 09:29

      The warning must also go to the biggest corrupted useless tax thief Jacob "Compound" Zuma!!

      mlucejko - 2012-11-13 09:33

      I was just thinking ""What a perfect name for a Comic hero" Zoomer man !! He would 'zoom-in' to save the poor, 'Zoom-in' to save the oppressed, Zoom-in to ensure justice was done !! But the one we've got "Zooms-in" to have a private estate built with Tax payers money. He 'zooms-in' to get Luxury cars and private jets !! He 'Zooms-in to get perks for his Family while the poor struggle on !!!

      scouter.fourone - 2012-11-13 09:33

      Must confess that he has 'grown on me' of late. Mind you, most would fair well when compared with Zuma's less than inspiring example....

      smalefane - 2012-11-13 09:40

      Not necessary. Don't forget that Mbeki was the one using "quiet diplomacy" when dealing with Zimbabwe during his tenure as president. He should have tried to stop the rot then. Mbeki also wanted third as president of the ANC and there were fears then that he might push for another term as president of the country. Obviously the constitution would then have to be amended. Doesn't that sound familiar with African heads of state? Cling onto power for as long as possible. Yes, Mbeki is very educated, but so is Mugabe.

      sam.flathela - 2012-11-13 09:41

      Why was he keeping quiet about Zim when he was still a president of this country when the human rights were violated by his friends Mugabe

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-11-13 10:43

      South Africans should learn to support a good president, even if one did not neccessary vote for him, and not just try to highlight the negative at every opportunity. Mbeki did not get the support he needed from the whole country and unfortunately people can now see what they have lost in a good president and leader. But now it is too late.

      smalefane - 2012-11-13 12:49

      meant "not necessarily" "third term as president"

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-13 16:16

      Mlucejko, Are we talking about the same Thabo Mbeki ????????????? The one I know, is responsible that this mugabe thug is still in power !!! That same Thabo Mbeki, is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of SA Aids sufferers, with his half baked BS re hiv-aids, He should be put on a plane to the ICC in the Hague, and stand trial for crimes against humanity.

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-11-14 08:27

      He is the simpleton who kept lock in step with Mugabe and supported him with his quiet diplomacy nonsense because of their Marxist-Leninist camaraderie. There is nothing credible about his statement now because of the stance he took when the electorate had Mugabe and his corrupt party on the wall. He should spare us this and he can only appeal to the gullible whose memory is short.

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-11-13 09:23

    I really really prefer Mbeki over Zuma....

      Olembe - 2012-11-13 10:33

      you can't prefer a dead lion to a living dog. mbeki is no longer on the picture.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-11-13 10:57

      Mbeki's government brought us many crises, especially the Electricity Crisis which we are now being asked to endure another 5 years of hikes for.

      art5SA - 2012-11-13 21:16

      Was he not referred to as a "DEAD SNAKE"???? Mbheki was one of the MOST STUPID of all Presidents... Zuma on the other hand... BEATS HIM ...HANDS DOWN!!!!

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-13 09:25

    Its much better to have those diamonds benefit those so called \rogue\ leaders that to have a puppet government. Mugabe will go when God wants him to go.

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-13 09:30

      And hopefully that happens in the next hour or so!

      harald.voney - 2012-11-13 09:35

      thats/you the problem with Africa....

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-13 09:35

      Keep ur hopes high,hopefully they will materialise in ten years or so.

      wehan.victor - 2012-11-13 09:47

      Feeble attempt at trolling.

      talana.malherbe - 2012-11-13 09:49

      Careful what you wish for!

      rontheogre - 2012-11-13 09:55

      The reason he is still alive is because neither heaven(this one's logical) nor hell(the residents still have their pride)wants him. Now Zim is stuck with him.

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-13 09:55

      Whose wishing here?

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-13 10:08

      The reason why he is alive is God wants him to be alive.

      tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-11-13 10:22

      Zimbabweans are paying for their sins. They have exactly the leader they deserve for the atrocities they committed on productive citizens who were instrumental in steering that economy to what it was before the collapse. Hard line black south africans are pursuing the same here, beware, you may just get exactly what you wish for (we already are seeing hints of it with Zuma and the associated corruption and decay that has acompanied his leadership, or lack thereof).

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-11-13 12:41

      awww thunder klap why don't you just get struck by lightning - might shock some sense into you................

      clive.kihn - 2012-11-13 19:04

      The problem with Africa is that too many people treat their politicians like gods and let them stay around too long. The western democracies vote out "leaders" who are corrupt and incompetent.

      art5SA - 2012-11-13 21:18

      Mugarbage and Mandela... BOTH are DEAD in the water... just their ZOMBI bodies keeping them UPRIGHT!!! They WILL come for your BRAINS!!!!!! Watch this SPACE!!!!

  • mark.schulz.796 - 2012-11-13 09:26

    Takes a member (or at least former member) of the 'predatory elite' to recognise one.

      Bruce - 2012-11-13 09:39

      TM is not a wealthy man by any stretch of the imagination..what do you base your comment on?

      art5SA - 2012-11-13 21:19

      Thabo just "KEPT IT SECRET".... Just like the MANDELA'S.... There WAS corruption in the ANC from DAY ONE!!!!!!!!!! It is in their GENES!!!!!

      art5SA - 2012-11-13 21:20

      Zuma and his 40 THIEVES, are to STUPID to keep it SECRET!!!!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:04

      If Thabo Mbeki is not a fairly wealthy man then his education was wasted on him. He has earned millions since 1994 first as Vice President then as President and now a Presidential pension equal to the presidents salary of more than R2m. I he had saved R50 000pm out of his after tax earnings each month leaving a measily R50 000pm to live on he would have saved R10,8m had this been conservatively invested it would be worth over R20m. He has no children and his parents were well provided for and his brother makes a more than adequate living so he has no dependents.

  • shane.asselbergs - 2012-11-13 09:31

    They'll just label him a stooge of the racist colonial British, as is the usual tactic.

  • oscar.manamela - 2012-11-13 09:33

    Dear Thabo Mbeki, tell our senior ANC members about that as well

      Simthembile Zembe - 2012-11-13 10:10

      He resigned from internal politics. So he can't.

      tj.madihlaba - 2012-11-13 13:17

      Chief, these are the fruits of ''quite diplomacy'' the honorable former President T. Mbeki

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:07

      Simthembile maybe he can use megaphone diplomacy to get the message home to the predatory ANC elite.

  • Tafae - 2012-11-13 09:33

    Right on Koos. Mugabe is in the driving seat and strongest now, thanks to Mbeki's 'silent diplomacy", utter hogwash if you ask me.

      jmlongwe - 2012-11-13 17:52

      What did you want him to do. He was dealing with a guy who thinks he's walking on holy ground. Or did you want SA to invade Zim

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:11

      I wish I was as dumb as Sarcastic me. All Mbeki had to do was apply sanctions against Zimbabwe, we were supplying all their refined fuel needs, carrying all their export goods and providing them with elctricity for which we have never been paid. To make these sanctions bite we could have pressurised Mozambique and Zambia to do the same. It would have been game over in three months. This was what BJ Vorster did to Ian Smith to bring him to heel in 1978. No body had to invade Zimbabwe.

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-11-14 08:33

      All Mbeki had to do was not to endorse Mugabe and allow for the theft of an election. All other leaders in the sub-region had called for Mugabe to leave but Mugabe waited for his little big brother Mbeki. He extended fuel supplies to Mugabe and all sorts of material support when the Zimbos felt he should not have as the short term pain would have resulted in RGM stepping down to the long-term benefit of Zim. So for those who say what could he have done- the answer is he should not have supported a rogue, diplomatically and materially.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-13 09:38

    While you at it, Ramaphosa with his team of vampires as well.

  • - 2012-11-13 09:39

    thunder.clap.587 And in the meantime God allows His people to suffer? Isn't that nice

      thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-13 09:53

      Everything happens by the will n decree of God, if u didn't know,now u know

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:14

      All the religious nuts can blame God for the criminal failings of human beings so it absolves them from doing anything about it. Why don't you get there cant be a god because he couldn't be that stupid or vicious.

  • Simthembile Zembe - 2012-11-13 09:39

    We once had a good President in South Africa who had a human error and was relieved of his duties.

  • captaine.morgan.90 - 2012-11-13 09:44

    Oooh! Zim must run scared. Whats Mbeki gonna do?

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-11-13 09:45

    Hey Mbeki - why not send a warning to South Africa's "predatory elite" to stop benefiting personally from the tax we pay!

  • smahlaba - 2012-11-13 09:58

    Zim is a rogue state.

  • bornwell.dennison - 2012-11-13 10:03

    I think if former President Thabo Mbeki was this upfront and aggressive with the Zim regime,Zimbabwe would be far by now.One has got to say is heartwarming though to see African Leaders standing up.This sends a clear message that patience is running out,thank you Sir

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:16

      Thabo Mbeki's criticism is like being savaged by a dead sheep. It is toothless and meaningless.

  • steven.douglas.14 - 2012-11-13 10:26

    A South Park episode comes to mind. Every election is all about the choice between a "douche" and a "turd sandwich". Unless, of course, you live in Zimbabwe, where they both come rolled into one dictator...

  • Olembe - 2012-11-13 10:30

    dear mlucekjo, mbeki wasnt been replaced but he supposed to go because his term was at end. we are only crying because there was no fit candidate of his calibre. mbeki was supposed to prepare methodically his successor, not overulling the power. merci.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-11-13 10:41

    Thabo, your comrades are doing the same thing in SA.

  • Kathy Bergh - 2012-11-13 10:42

    Bruce - you are an idiot. go back to your paradise

  • neil.ross.5473 - 2012-11-13 11:31

    Hey thabo, crisis in Zimbabwe? What crisis? Remember when you said those words? You are such a lame duck. Unfortunately for us, zuma is so useless he actually makes you look good.

  • advkhumalo - 2012-11-13 12:13

    Isn't he a bit too late. After there was once a time when he occupied a formidable position of power and influence and he kept quiet. These people are snakes. I so pray Zille also gets power just for one term and reveal her true colours too and then we'll see if Zuma was that bad

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 22:17

      Zuma is worse than bad and as a Zulu you are blinded by your tribal affiliation.

  • Panafricanparliamrntraw - 2012-11-13 12:17

    The haste in many to jump into conclusion and condemn others is the result of what we have today in out government, economy and united or divided interests. Many of the oppositions hastily jump to conclusion on issues affecting cross race and rather than proffered the leading party with possible workable and sustainable solution, just like we are doing here, the interest is to lampoon and destroy the leadership. So why cry now?

  • matsutle.aphane - 2012-11-13 12:21

    this must not go unpunished BRUCE bruce bruce,,,,!u are a fool ,idiot, denialist of the truth,u arev disqusting toomy foot,,,! go to hell

  • matsutle.aphane - 2012-11-13 12:26

    i cannot turn back the years,,,! i am so proud of u THABO MBEKI LONG LIVE

  • marc.ross.965 - 2012-11-13 12:38

    Mbeki: HIV doesn't cause AIDS Zuma: A shower prevents AIDS What tree will the next one fall out of?

  • mart.botha - 2012-11-13 12:45

    Considering the geography, longitude and distance from the ocean,combined with the topical and current hectic activity on the local front, I wonder if they haven't perhaps discovered huge diamond deposits near Nkandla ??? Just asking !!

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-11-13 13:10

    What a joke, the ANC and it's cadres pointing fingers at 'Mugabe Town' when they are well on the road to it themselves. I would say blood diamonds are blood diamonds, and the ban on these diamonds are because Zimbabwe government elite with their soldiers have gone down the road of killing prospectors in order to loot the country even further. The ANC is well on the way down the same road as Mugabe's government.

  • qhama.bona - 2012-11-13 14:30

    It's quite refreshing to see President Mbeki speaking the truth without fear or favor. It is not fair that people have to work so hard to extract those diamonds only for the political elite to enrich themselves. When will African countries learn? When you sideline the masses from the economy you are putting yourself in a difficult position. Inevitably those masses will rebel and overthrow that government. Even in the nineteenth century Karl Marx warned of a proletariat revolt after he saw the evils of capitalism when the poor masses were exploited. The Russian Revolution was also a perfect example of what happens when the people have had enough. I concur with President Mbeki that indeed there must not be an easy way for that predatory elite to benefit unfairly from those diamonds. This scenario is also prevalent to what is happening in SA today. Politically connected individuals are benefiting from lucrative BEE deals whilst the masses are left with nothing but are conveniently used as voting fodder come election time. Zimbabwe need to show the world that they can regain their glory because it was a shining example of how a country should progress until Robert Mugabe lost his marbles. Let's hope the reforms and the proposed constitution can be finalised so they can have an election next year. I urge President Mbeki to be more vocal about issues facing our continent as he has vast experience from his time as president and he has this beautiful vision of an African Renaissance.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 16:47

      They have already appropriated $2bn, Mbeki is a useless waste of time. His glasses are race tinted and he has all the spine of a jelly fish. He covered up the stolen 2002 election in Zimbabwe and helped Mugabe retain power after losing the 2008 election.

  • isaac.tapfumaneyi.5 - 2012-11-13 15:23

    was at the conference.sorry but thats not how he said it

      bornwell.dennison - 2012-11-19 14:04

      enlighten us

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-11-13 16:40

    "Diamond production must not be governed by a predatory elite which is in collusion with mining companies for its own benefit," said Mbeki. Like your Cyril Ramaphosas and their Lonmin benefactors!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 16:49

      Fidel, its far too late in Zimbabwe it has already happened.

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-11-13 19:26

      Fidel, You are right, it is a total disgrace that half the ANC leadership has a finger in a mine !! Botswana seems to have a right mixture; that of private mining company and the Botswana government, through their joint Debswana venture. Off course, ( very ) beneficial to the BEERS, who offer their expertise, but also very beficial to the Botswana government, and through this, the Botswana people. And so tightly controlled, that there is seemingly very little corruption. And a further great achievement for the Botswana government; as from 2014, the 'diamond sorting" , done in London for the past 80 years, is going to be brought to Gaborone, changing the face of the capital, and possibly the whole country, forever!!

  • kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-13 16:42

    He is trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted with his direct assistence. Mbeki is nothing but a useless pseudo intellectual oxygen thief.

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-15 00:37

      Well put Kevin. He cynically subverted the stolen Zim elections twice, but forcing his observor missions to lie about what they saw there. A dangerous rascist too, in my opinion. Acted on his emotional prejudices, regardless of the logic tuggung vainly at his sleeve.

  • - 2012-11-13 18:48

    This is the first time I am hearing his 'quiet' diplomacy on Zim. Sounds like he had a Damascus moment on the way up there.

  • thabelorale - 2012-11-13 18:52

    President ZOO-MAR is not capable of leading this nation !

  • hleketanitrevor.baloyi - 2012-11-13 19:38

    U a dem Rit Bra Thibos,,,why don't u tell ur senior cadres as well Before u go n cacarat at Gabriel Mugabe,,, u can't face Zoo-mar cause He deliver ur lecture so nice n he have said a mouthfully abt u T-bos Mbheki.

  • chris.holloway.5 - 2012-11-14 06:31

    Same old same old... They are just doing what your ANC does every day...

  • len.murozvi - 2012-11-14 06:58

    Damn you Thabo. Remember the utterance ""Crisis, what crisis"". You supported the monster when he stole the election now you want to act holy. The Zimbabweans never asked you to raid the country all they wanted aws for you to say that Mugabe is wrong and you chickened out. Just like here in RSA you created the Zuma problem, why did you not groom a suitable successor. Shame on you

  • victor.mendes1 - 2012-11-14 09:16

    Didn't you keep mugabe in power after MDC WON the last election? I say shut your face! You had the chance to stop this monster and you backed him.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-14 11:14

    what do zuma/mebeki/lug nut have in common ? only the lug nut serves a purpose..

  • craig.thom.376 - 2012-11-14 11:32

    Mbeki's brother makes for some interesting reading Govan Mbeki,why was he not more vocal about his neighbour during his presidency? why is he in the news again,somethings cooking here.

  • manelisi.mbuli - 2012-11-16 02:28

    It seems like people fail to understand the process of mediation or the powers of a mediator.... Mbeki was a mediator not a judge in Zimbabwe... He was not in a position whatsoever to call for Mugabes removal... Even if h was critical about Mugabe.. Do w hnestly blv dat it wud hv made any beta dffrnce. Coz i blv dat it wud hv jst drven da old man Mugabe evn mad.. And the crisis in Zimbabwe wud hv cntinued either way. Or evn wrc a civil war cud hv been da result.... An agreement was reached btwn ol parties in Zimbabwe (remembr da deal signed at the rainbow towers hotel in Zimbabwe) evn Morgan apprvd da deal. Dat the deal ws in grtr way a gud way of mvng frwrd fr Zimbabwe. Bt ltr it ws the Zimbabwean official who failed to effectively implement a good and solid agreement for the betterment of the future of their country and its people... Mbeki was not siting da as a jdge. To gv a verdict n Mugabe. Hz duty ws to find a workabl solution 4 bth parties 2 wrk effectively. And indeed h did jst dat. As h als did n Sudan. Da failure of the Zimbabwean officials shud nt b accountd n Mbeki. Mbeki did hz job... N its time dat evn the Zimbabwean people understood dat thy wre again faild by their own officials and leave Zizi alne... Again i repeat no one bt da Zimbabweans themslvs had/has the power to remve their leaders. Nt mbeki nt evn th UN... No one!

      bornwell.dennison - 2012-11-19 15:07

      I dont believe we are saying Mbeki should have removed Mugabe,the feeling is that he was too soft on him and he even financially supported him.That alone showed African Brotherly support,no matter how much the world condemns the abuses,atrocities,wrongful and unlawful arrests,the compromised legal system etc.everything comes to nothing if African Leaders are quiet and dont condemn abuses and the masses suffer immeasurably.If democratic African Leaders could be vocal and sideline those who dont respect the will of the people,oppressors and Dictators Africa will be a better continent than it is now.You are wrong to say only Zimbabweans will free themslves,no one has ever done that on their own.Zimbabweans should be at the forefront but they definitely need support.South Africa is today because of outside help,there was a worldwide condemnation and sidelining of the Oppressors including from Zimbabwe,so the Opressor was forced to stop harassment and negotiate

      manelisi.mbuli - 2012-11-23 01:56

      Yes i understand the historical background of South Africas fight against apartheid... And it is my understanding that w got support yes! Bt thn again t z because of wat w dd as south africans to stnd up against apartheid... Again i say. Zimbabweans have the power to work as a collective majority and remove their leader. W r bound by international laws nt 2 directly interfere on internal affairs of each state... I never said w south africans or any other state shud nt support th course of the zimbabwean people. Bt wat i said is dat t z nt withn our powers 2 invade zimbabwe and remve mugabe... And furthermore i dnt recall Thabo Mbeki gvng money 2 Mogabe persnaly. Ol i remembr is da South African government mkng plans to aid da Zimbabwean government... So as to better the situation in dat state.... And dat ws aftr da signing of da deal btwn da oppositions n zimbabwe....

  • euriku.ndongo - 2012-11-28 17:39

    This is a wonderful story that one of the few African leaders denouncing bravely about wrong of other leader in Southern African. I give him a round of applause.It is a critical story.

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