Mugabe: No UK, EU observers for Zim polls

2011-09-09 12:12

Harare - President Robert Mugabe says Zimbabwe will not allow British and European Union election observers to the country's next elections whose date has yet to be set, a state daily reported Friday.

"We want observers who will not have any choice on who to assist and who not to assist. We abhor meddling in our own electoral affairs," The Herald newspaper quoted Mugabe as saying when he received Britain's new ambassador to Zimbabwe.

"Britain should not be involved in such a campaign whether in our favour as Zanu-PF or against us. If there is to be any culprits, let it be others not the British."

Relations between Zimbabwe and former coloniser Britain soured after Mugabe launched controversial land reforms, seizing farms from white farmers and giving them to blacks in what Mugabe said was a correction of historical imbalances.

Following the fallout, Zimbabwe pulled out of the Commonwealth grouping while Britain and other EU countries imposed sanctions including travel embargoes and assets freezes on Mugabe and his close allies.

"How can we invite people who have imposed sanctions on us to be our observers?" said Mugabe.

"By imposing sanctions those people have demonstrated dislike of one side. If Britain does not want to assist us, they should leave us alone. We will find our way out but you must remove sanctions."

Zimbabwe will hold elections to choose a successor to a power-sharing government formed two years ago by Mugabe and long-time rival Morgan Tsvangirai in the aftermath of a bloody presidential run-off election in 2008.

  • Drewster - 2011-09-09 12:18

    Well how does one cheat when everyone is watching

      JMan - 2011-09-09 12:34


      Felix - 2011-09-09 13:28

      is there some way to bet on elections? Wonder how bad the odds will be...

      letsee - 2011-09-09 13:33

      Gaddafi will be wellcome and he needs a job.

      NATO OFFICE - 2011-09-09 13:50

      What elections in Zimbabwe??? Really do you think you can talk of elections in a country ruled by a dictator?

      Spyker May - 2011-09-09 15:54

      Can someone please explain to me what is happening in Zimbabwe - I far as I understood it, Zim is under a coalition reign - can this syphilis psycho actually pull this off..? The West created this manic freak - come on ladies and gentlemen, Zanu-PF will take only one Nato sortie to 'sort' - it will gone before morning tea. The rest of the world owes it to the people of Zimbabwe.

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:33

      Double exactly.

  • DW - 2011-09-09 12:23

    So the toothless wonders called the AU will be called in and will all smile and nod while Mugabe rapes his country AGAIN!

  • Libertador - 2011-09-09 12:26

    I like this principle, the time of colonial supervision is over. Africans will write their own history.

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-09-09 12:46

      but that is what got them in this mess at the first place!

      AirAction - 2011-09-09 12:52

      And then call for food and money from China.

      Playnice - 2011-09-09 12:56

      @ liberator - and isnt the history since Bob already a very sad story

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 13:20

      All developed nations have gone through this history, this may involve wars, famine, etc. But at the end of it all a truelly proud and liberated people will emerge. Africa can no longer afford to have its history imposed from Brusells, Washington or London. We, in this continent have a history of slavery, colonialism and under-development and currently neo-imperialism imposed on us by others.

      Felix - 2011-09-09 13:31

      Lucky the imperialists taught them to write. When Africa comes out of the dark ages the rest of the world would have already left the planet.

      JackMeoff - 2011-09-09 13:37

      @LIBERTADOR -A pretty disastrous history to report so far. What an embarrassment to mankind.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 13:39

      Well said Libertador time for colonial supervision is over. After all the economic growth of 4.5% ,2009, 8.1% 2010 and 9.4% projected 2011 has happened with no economic aid from EU or USA. Its been internally generated resources with token aid from Afri-Exim Bank. If we do not need them in economics why need them in elections . The world has changed , the only country with money is China! So lets talk Chinese !! Niha!!

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 14:27

      Europe's history was pretty much disastrous until you decided to steal Africans, and enslave all other non-westerners in the world. There is nothing that White Power fears more than a united Africa. They know that a united Africa would completely alter the balance of power globally. The well-documented fact is that if Africa stopped the flow of all resources and raw materials to the Western nations for just one week, the United States and Europe would grind to a halt. If only Africa could realize its immense power. Realizing this power is primarily a psychological transition, since the material facts are overwhelmingly clear. Almost every known natural resource needed to run the contemporary industrial economies—such as uranium, gold, copper, cobalt, coltan (for cell phones, video games, laptops), platinum, diamonds, bauxite, and especially large reserves of oil are located in Africa. Azania (South Africa) alone contains over 40% the world’s gold reserves. Democratic Republic of Congo contains half of the world’s cobalt and 80 percent of the world’s known coltan reserves. One quarter of the world’s aluminum ore is found in the coastal belt of West Africa and the continent is awash in petroleum reserves. Western powers real concern is that African States will opt for Chinese deals to free themselves from the punitive conditions of IMF/ World Bank loans and other forms of financial dependence on Europe and the Unites States.

      Delano - 2011-09-09 14:42

      principle or not man. africans will write their own story? WTF, a story of epic failure yes. look around you and see what african country is even close to competing with a country in the the african truth

      Albo - 2011-09-09 14:49

      @Libertador - under British rule, Zimbabwe was the bread basket of all Africa. Under African rule, they hit 5,000,000,000% inflation over night. I know 3 year olds that will laugh at this. Stop just thinking of `the White man being the enemy`. America`s PRESIDENT is black ffs!!!

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-09 14:50

      @LIbertador - I agree. with your last statement of all our resources BUT it doesn't help the continent if 3 or 8 or 20 or 200 takes EVERYTHING at the cost of EVERYONE. You seem to respect Mugabe because you hate the West's influence. Why not forget about the West and focus on what Mugabe is doing to his people now. He screams at how pathetic the West is yet his wife hangs around in Milan whenever she can. If he did what he did for his people i would respect him and say yes, let the West concern themselves with their own business whils we govern ourselves. But fact is Africa is filled with dictators. Somalians are starving, the armies there won't allow the West to give them food or they steal it. Is that a United Africa. Is Gaddafi who lived in a tropical green paradise in the middle of the desert an example of a United Africa? Is Zuma appointing corrupt after corrupt officials an example of an Africa for all Africans. No! We need to hold our leaders responsible. The West is not someone to hate, the West is someone to sell stuff to to enrich us.. ALL OF US

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 15:43

      @Albo Under British rule there were only 5 school in the whole country that offered A levels now there are more than 5000. Under the British, Zimbabwe was Europe's bread basket (Not Africa's) that exportd the majority of its food to feed starving Europeans. @Delano That's because imperialism has merely been sub-contracted. In general the problem of "development" in Africa derives from Africa's structural links with the Western governments and economies by way of the IMF, World Bank and WTO. The groups that hold political power in Africa's nation states are required to maintain the post-colonial structures that I call "neo-colonialism". It is these structural links that maintain the African status-quo with its weak, non-convertibile currencies controlled by banking systems that continue to play the role they did during colonial times. Its possible to also point to corrupt African leaders who have fleeced State run industries and those who have fleeced the poor through 'private' companies. One key point is surely that Corrupt African leaders are attached to and functionaries of the wider economic order not seperate from it and have undertaken useful roles for forces far more powerful than themselves.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 15:48

      Hence economic independence between the master and the servant is sustained through economic structures that still promotes imperial interests. Essentially the colonial economic policy is informed by the ideology of tying these former colonies to international capital. Such a strategy simply means that Africa's natural resources are not creating meaningful value necessary for industrialisation and employment creation. Ghaddafi understood this and he would have put a lot of western vampires out of business as far as Africa is concerned.

      p123 - 2011-09-09 16:43

      You really are a fool, are you a Stalinist or something? Do you have any idea of how much Corrupt Dictators have failed and raped this continent? Stop being such a racist and admit that these dictators are the root cause. Look at Asia post colonisation vs. Africa, The Asians drew a line in the sand and moved on, whilst the Africans just went backwards though their corrupt dictators and of course blame the West for their failures, which as we see above Mugabe is doing.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 16:53

      I am unable to return a suitable reply without sounding as if I'm trying to get in the gutter alongside you. I recognize futility in conversing with you, so sue me that your head is stuck so far up your azz I would rather verbally insult you than to give you more respect than you deserve.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-09 17:20

      @Libertador - You are obviously not a stupid person. I still await your response to my comment...

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 18:00

      @Pencilgraffiti See my post at 15:43, last paragraph.....

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-09 18:19

      So you're saying that Mugabe/Gaddafi/Zuma etc are benefactors/victims of a global syndrome?

      stefventerza - 2011-09-09 18:49

      History off getting killed in camps, dying off hunger while an old fart is living in wealth, Just look at his place where he lives, and take a closer look in what state his country is in, Halloooooo wake up.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 19:24

      The fact is that post-colonial states in Africa, have not been helped to be autonomous by the so called liberal democracies. Yes I know there is the glib hand outs here and there but what about the exploitative business dealings and promotion of corruption? Analysts say that introducing the gold dinar as the new medium of exchange for Africa would destroy dependence on the U.S. dollar, the French franc and the British pound and threaten the Western world. It would “finally swing the global economic pendulum” that would break Western domination over Africa and other developing economies. Gadhafi's creation of the African Investment Bank in Sirte (Libya) and the African Monetary Fund to be based in Cameroon would have supplanted the IMF and undermine Western economic hegemony in Africa, African political leaders today face the same dilemna that ALL leaders in the "developing world " do on assuming political power which is this: How do I fullfill the hopes of my own followers whilst at the same time not provoke a damaging response from the developed world? For example, you cannot pay better wages to miners without upsetting the mine owners who happen to be mostly british/australian companies. We have to face up to the fact that Africa is under-developed because of structural and systemic outcomes of the functioning of global capitalism. "I am not blaming those who are resolved to rule, only those who show an even greater readiness to submit". – Thucydides

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-09 19:54

      Libertador we are talking and wanting the same thing... Personally i just think you are 5steps ahead. You are talking about economics before stability. How much has the world spent on the revolution in Libya? How much money wasted...? First comes stability, then financial stability, then economic independence. We can't achieve economic freedom at the cost of innocent lives who merely want to feed their kids. Gaddafi wasn't a moron or just a dictator. He had a brain and had many clever ideas. Mugabe was a revolutionary hero... BUT they all succumbed to greed. Zuma is in the process of doing just that. If Zuma put his fist down and ensured Black Empowerment was used effectively from the bottom up we could have built an empire and he would have been remembered as an African legend but instead of growing money he and Malema wants to steal it. Transferring wealth doesn't enrich a nation, investment does. At the last Black Business meeting Zuma said blacks have no opportunities.... How is that possible. I agree young black people do not have the wealth but ALL the opportunity is there. Africa has the resources, all companies have to comply to BEE and AA. So how can you possibly say the black youth has no opportunity...? Fact is he doesn't want to invest (investment is afterall seeking the right opportunity).. he wants the wealth and he wants it now.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 19:55

      'Protection' from corrupt western capital is what Africa needs but never gets. Any attempt to end this corruption is met with the usual array of sanctions and wars in order to restore corruption. Mugabe's crime isn't driving Zimbabwe into the ground - who cares about Zimbabweans for god's sake? - but in not sharing the robbery and corruption with western corporations. The 'west' has never cared one jot about Africa, except how to profit from the corruption it has installed. The South African alta kakas fall right at the feet of their international manipulators.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-09 20:30

      "Mugabe's crime isn't driving Zimbabwe into the ground - who cares about Zimbabweans for god's sake? - but in not sharing the robbery and corruption with western corporations. " If the bank steals my money and i steal money from the people i employ.... Is it the bank's fault the people i employ are going hungry? No, It's MY FAULT. There are two crimes here... 1) The bank stealing my money and 2) me stealing from my employees. They are separate crimes. Yet Mugabe/Malema/Gaddafi will let us believe they are the same.

      Libertador - 2011-09-10 07:03

      What Africa needs is new heroes who can project Africa' sense of pride and resources. Second, nationalism, as an expression of (African) struggle, continues so long as imperialism exists. The West, led by the U.S., doesn't want Africa to control itself. It might become too powerful, might threaten the European/American Power Block. Better to keep Africa poor and pick off each nation, make them dependent on the West. They can be better exploited that way. Advantage can be taken of their resources and cheap labour. Imperialism is a cancer. So is greed.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-09-10 08:26

      I have not once denied the external factor. I do not believe it is as extreme as you believe it to be but i can't deny that the West feed off our cheap resources. What you seem unwilling to accept or discuss, and what has been my argument since the start, is the cancer from within. You can't fight cancer with cancer. If we don't want to rely on the West then we need to be able to stand on our own two feet but at this point in time the one leg is greed and the other leg is hunger, despair and desperation. Good luck to you, maybe you will be rich, maybe you will be poor but i can tell you one thing for sure. With our current political mentality we as a country/continent will not be wealthy nor happy. Not all of us, not most of us, not even a fair amount of us. We will have the super rich, and a majority of the super poor. The West wants to enforce democracy - Is that the end of the world? China doesn't care how it gets what - So they will build their empire on our slave labour.

      Libertador - 2011-09-10 13:45

      Personally, i'm open minded enough to aknowledge the strength of both sides of our debate, cheers mate or salakahle.

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:36

      Geez Libertador, your ideas are more like imprison-tador. Do you have any idea what is going on in Zimbabwe? He's a thug who detains, maims and kills opponents, and rigs elections. How can you be so blind and miss this? You're enabling the disempowerment of Africa and the spirit of Africans with your support of brutal, egomaniac dictators.

      FarmerBrown - 2011-09-17 04:39

      without observation/supervision, Zimbabwe is a typical result..... Are you seriously satisfied with that. Maybe Africans deserve the horrors they get. Africans somehow dont seem to realize the seriousness of installing a Zuma , a Malema or a Mugabe. Good Luck

      teboh.rapheal - 2012-07-30 14:24

      LIBERTADOR the was never anyTHING LIKE colonization but OCCUPATION.we must put a stop to this supiriority complex forged in the minds of aryans by use of violence and savage stealing.

  • JohnnyBB - 2011-09-09 12:26

    ...Robber Mugabe will again steal the election... ...stupid old crook....

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-09-09 12:48

      JonnyBB, one thing that Mugabe is not, is stupid. He knows very well how to steal from his own people, Zuma is taking notes as we speak.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 13:42

      I am going to vote for him. So if voting for him is stealing guys lets celebrate stealing. Its time to speak Chinese!! Lol Zaijani!

  • Derek - 2011-09-09 12:27

    I don't blame him. They have already decided that the election will be rigged.

  • Hippocrates - 2011-09-09 12:27

    Are african delegates allowed to go and observe elections in USA and UK??, If not then why should they come and observe in Africa, If so, then Africa must allow them to come here....

      AirAction - 2011-09-09 12:56

      Because in USA and UK they ARE fair and free.

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-09 13:09

      You are so naive. Democracy comes from the West. The Greeks invented it two thousand years ago. It is Africa and the Arab states where democracy is new and actually does not work. Because of simple and unsophisticated populations who are easy to intimidate and manipulate.

      Ashley - 2011-09-09 13:23

      Hippo, buddy, your intelligence amazes me. You are as thick as loaf of bread. As AirAction pointed out, it is free and fair in USA/UK. Did you read the news when the last vote went down in ZIM? How many people were killed, abused and forced to vote for The BoB. Nothing like that happened in USA or UK you bloody idiot. You must have been writing your school exams at that stage, you obviously just finished school.Go play outside with yourself, and let the big people comment on these subjects.

      JackMeoff - 2011-09-09 13:42

      @HIPPOCRATES - Do you ever see the USA and UK begging for food and hand-outs from Africa ? Sorry...i can't hear you. Now, if you are going to give millions of GBP/UAD in the form of food aid, health aid etc to a bunch of incompetent African countries, surely you agree that you want your "investment" well cared for ? Problem is, these millions of GBP/USD of food aid and health aid etc ISN'T looked after properly by the begging African nations, and millions are stolen by greedy, corrupt officials. It's not a case of the USA or UK wanting to monitor African elections, if Africa wasn't so incompetent and corrupt, they wouldn't have to. Hope you get this to sink in to your head.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 13:43

      There is not a country that has so called elections that are not marred with corruption, vote rigging and all other forms deceit. The American sociologist C. Wright Mills wrote in 1956 that American democracy was a ‘dictatorship of the elite’. According to Mills, the USA is not a democracy because it is money that talks during elections and not the people. The results of each election are the expression of the voice of money and not the voice of the people. After Bush senior and Bush junior, they are already talking about a younger Bush for the 2012 Republican primaries. Moreover, as Max Weber pointed out, since political power is dependent on the bureaucracy, the US has 43 million bureaucrats and military personnel who effectively rule the country but without being elected and are not accountable to the people for their actions. One person (a rich one) is elected, but the real power lies with the caste of the wealthy who then get nominated to be ambassadors, generals, etc. You might enjoy Stephen Brown's Authoritarian leaders and multiparty elections in Africa: how foreign donors help to keep Kenya’s Daniel arap Moi in power. A chapter details how the UK helped Moi steal the 1997 election. But it's not all that difficult in a one-party democracy (Democrats/Republicans or Labour/Tory) where the voters are obsessed with "american idol" and "what's for lunch" and eminently capable of voting against their own interests..

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:38

      Liberta, you really are a danger to yourself and Africans the continent over. Just listen to what you're saying. Do not, I repeat, do not, come back here and complain when Africans are brutalized and taken advantage of by their leaders. You're be complaining against yourself and your ignorant ideas.

  • IC1 - 2011-09-09 12:29

    Why doesn't he just die already!

      JMan - 2011-09-09 12:35

      He'll be dead by 2013....according to Wikileaks.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 13:53

      Him dying will not change will not reverse what he has instilled in us . Hard working , the most literate Africans on the continent 92%, the only true africans that do not sail with the wind. We stand on principles even if it will initially cause chaos like what happened in the early stages of land reform but the results at the end are good. We have just embarked on indigenisation companies such as Impala thought they were indispensibleand tried to resist and were shown the door. Now they have begged on their knees to be allowed to continue mining will play ball. Its time to Look East were the sun rises and shun were it sets. Lets talk Chinese. Zhongguo shi wida de (China is great)

      JMsays - 2011-09-09 15:00

      @Michael, your living in lala land! "most liberated, haha, try oppressed by old bob, "do not sail with the wind", lol, you're pissing into the wind. "the results at the end is good", what? Are you kidding me?...famine, economic collapse and hardship is good? Why is your entire country in SA? Impala wasn't shown the door, they are still in talks with your brain dead gov. Its people like you that contribute to effing this continent up, you don't even notice what effect you misguided actions cause. I can not even bring myself to feeling sorry for you, with your eyes wide open, you jump in the fire while singing Bob's praises. Sad!

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 15:25

      @JMsays, If you want to know the truth about Zim then read the interview of your fellow white Guy ,Butcher, on maybe your eyes will open . For your information its open secret that agriculture powered by BLACK farmers is driving this econmy. Even the useless IMF has alluded so. The reason for Zimbos is obvious the sanction induced hardships compelled them to look elsewhere just like your fore father left there country to pursue greener pastures in Africa. So Iam not bootlicking am just expressing how we Zimbabwens feel about BOB. I ask again Can an evil Dictator emphasise empowering his people by opening their eyes through education . I say again through BOB Zimbabwe has the highest literate rate in Africa @ 92%. This is the reason Zimbos are taking over your Jobs. SA for all its plastic ,artificial wealth is no were near top 5 in Africa. Not even Nigeria with all its wealth comes near Zimbabwe. Please someone comment why Zim is on Top whilst its economy is said to be non functional. Why is SA not up there, why is Botswana where there are more goats than human beings not up there. Look guys its only 1 million people and a GDP of over maybe US$10 000 per capita.Why is it not above Zimbabwe a country that has been in 'Crisis" for 10 years. See it does not add up

  • Ion James - 2011-09-09 12:29

    yep , damn 1st world just don't understand democracy , one man , one vote and Bob's the man ...

  • hindu_k - 2011-09-09 12:31

    Doesnt surprise me.

  • IC1 - 2011-09-09 12:33

    Well won ZANUPF, DUHHHH!!!

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-09 12:36

    Time for Mugabe to be arrested like Gaddafy for crimes against humanity, murder and persecution of his own people

      IC1 - 2011-09-09 13:03

      Man o man, from your "lips' to God's ears

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 13:58

      Which humanity!! I am a Zimbabwean and no persecution is taking place. An evil Leader can not maki his people the most literate at 92%. If fighting fo the black cause is said to be persecution then theat word is not worth the letters spelt in it. Lets talk Chinese!! Ju long yijing suxing (Dragon is awake)

      AirAction - 2011-09-09 14:44

      Michael, I know alot of Zimbo;s that have been persecuted .Open your eyes or mabe you not a Zimbabwean.

  • Taff2 - 2011-09-09 13:13

    Of course he wants only AU observers like Zuma's cronies, who will kowtow to the despot! Unfortunately we are going the same road to Banaland and follow the same rules Zapiro's cartoon today says it much better than I can

  • thabatao - 2011-09-09 13:14

    You cannot rig an election if the world looks over your shoulder, can you. Especially if they check every ballot paper and then count them. I thought Tsvangai has a say. It seems Morgan has been silenced.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 14:02

      Good you said 'I thought'. Unfortunately your I thought runs contrary to our laws. the President is enmpowered to call for elections not a louse PM. Lets talk Chinese Jinbabuwei tudi de zuanshi (Zimbabwe land of Diamonds)

      W Mukori - 2011-09-09 19:41

      Morgan is an equal partner in the GNU on paper but in practice he might as well be a Mugabe crony!

  • Craigr - 2011-09-09 13:16

    Wonder how many long dead war verterans are gonna go vote this time?.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 14:04

      Dead men do not vote ! You must be a celebrated fool!! Lets talk Chinese. Malema Shi zhengque de. (Malema is right)

      Albo - 2011-09-09 14:52

      @Michael - how many times will you vote? 1 or 1000?

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 15:29

      @ Albo, How many times do vote? Lets talk Chinese. Malema jiang guize(Malema will rule)

  • CalamitySA - 2011-09-09 13:17

    Bob - You have lost the previous elections - Resign

  • charliewoo - 2011-09-09 13:27

    with a bit of luck Bob might be dead by the next elections, the power of positive thinking can work wonders.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 14:06

      Him being dead will not change anything as we are still in control. Lets talk Chinese. Mengxiang zai min (Dream on man)

  • letsee - 2011-09-09 13:33

    Gaddafi will be wellcome and he needs a job.

  • Nepster10 - 2011-09-09 13:35

    Even if the EU is there Mugabe can still cheat. remeber he lost the 2008 election and with held the results for one month and then emerged as a winner. Only thing that needs to happen is to sent a special force to get him or may be that cancer will erode his genitals and he will die.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 14:08

      He did not loose the 2008 elections that why he is President not PM. This time around no second round. Lets talk Chinese. Wo likai zheli ( I am out of here)

  • Musa Ngubane - 2011-09-09 13:57

    Chief, I agree, we can't allow these imperialists to dictate terms for Africa. They don't like Africa, we don't need them. AU will observe the elections. No to UK & EU observers!

      Albo - 2011-09-09 14:54

      Have you ever even stepped a foot oudside SA?

  • JustinD - 2011-09-09 13:58

    Hang Dis-Grace and Robber Mugabage

  • gregory.f.dean - 2011-09-09 14:00

    Here we go again. Mugabe will only allow Observers who have, in the past, condoned his actions. In previous elections these have not been entirely free and fair, stretching back to those held in 1980. At that time, in order to avoid a full scale war (the "freedom" fighters had not laid down their weapons, which had been agreed as part of the transition to a new democratic order), the British condoned this transgression in an effort to avoid further violence. Sanctions are not against the country but Mugabe and his close supporters. His continual reference to this (removal of sanctions) as the way forward is a red herring.

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 16:48

      @gregory.f.dean, Read wikiliks maybe you eyes will be open regarding Sanctions. I doubt that you even know about ZIDERA and what it requires US companies to do. Thank God China is in AFRICA!

  • Beannie - 2011-09-09 14:07

    Typical, then South Africa should not recognise any results that come from it. The monster will brutalise the people again. Death to the sod!

  • mathasemasase - 2011-09-09 14:52

    No elections but a lure, maybe he is nearing the dooms day.

  • pba - 2011-09-09 15:02

    Same old story again, sanctions! Anyway, no observers are needed in Zimbabwe because Mugabe will win his "elections" as usual. Just remeber 2008.

  • JabaJaba - 2011-09-09 16:05


      Libertador - 2011-09-09 16:13

      Obviously people put all sorts of nonsense up here and expectations for coherence and general sanity should never be all that high, but I'm still surprised on a daily basis. Putting extended text in all-caps does NOT help you make your point. You just come off as desperately "shouting."

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:39

      Liberta, your ideas have to be among the most delusional and corrupt of anyone who posts here. They're incredibly backward and wrong.

  • George - 2011-09-09 16:07

    @ Lebertador...... yes they will right their name in the dust..... @ Michael M......i say you should stay of those cheap drugs brother...

      Michael Marange - 2011-09-09 16:37

      @GEORGE, Why is a country under 'crisis' lead Africa literacy wise at 92%. What is it that BOB has consistantly done right that is missing in other leaders whose economy is said to be stable. SA not even in top 5, Botswana with only 1 million people and a GDP of over $10 000 per capita is not among top 10! Yet Zimbabwe which just 2 years ago had inflation of over a billion leads them all to an extent that it compares favourably with developed countries in terms of literacy. By the way our inflation is currently the lowest in the sub-region. If you can find answer to that then you will know why BOB is our favourite man even at the twighlight age.

  • deminimus - 2011-09-09 16:22

    Marange remember the 20000 Matebeles murdered by Mad Bob. Remember the farm workers thrown off the farms because they voted MDC. Had they been allowed to stay on the farms their knowledge of farming might have resulted in good harvests.The rural african is easily intimidated and you would vote for ZANU PF if they threatened to burn your house and family down. It is not the white man who is your enemy beware the yellow peril.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 16:47

      Every single reason you might canvas for denying Chinese a position in Africa applies just as strongly to Western actors, in most cases, even more strongly; and obviously there are extra reasons to be wary of Western actors.

      bullincapeto - 2011-09-09 17:01

      The Chinese will make you all slaves, you lot are naive to think they are here to save you.How gullible you are.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 17:56

      No one, as far as I can tell is of the opinion that the Chinese are "the saviours of Africa". You have, therefore, created an argument which you haven't given any evidence to support. As to whether they will be worse than the west, we'll have to wait and see, you appear to have already made up your mind but you don't say what you are basing that particular opinion on. Do you just think the Chinese are terrible people and that it is inevitable that they will behave like that? The Chinese are investing in Africa. The motivation is self interest but the realtionship is more cooperative.The trouble with you "Europeans" is that you think you have the right to stick your noses in anywhere in the world and expect the rest of the world to live up to "your values" - which you have never lived up to! At least Chinese pay for what they get on a fair term and do not like Americans and British who chained the Africans back home as slaves in the early days. The Chinese do not come here with guns in their hands and demand that it all be handed over for free. Instead, they put their cash on the table and make an offer. Westeners are not prepared to make a better offer because they feel entitled to get it for free.

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:41

      Yet, Liberta, you support the brutal dictator Gadhafi who is of Arab decent. Arab traders were the main proponents and creators of slavery. You really don't make much sense, if any sense at all.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-09 17:35

    This tree swinging, knuckle dragging, silver back again! I won't be surprise is the ANC agrees with this old fart, and grant him his wishes!

  • bullincapeto - 2011-09-09 17:45

    Do you honestly think the Chinese are your friends? All they want is the stuff in the ground. Do you think they will use there own people to get it out the ground when there are millions of gullible, malleable,uneducated potential slaves to get it out for them.Poor Africa first colonised and raped by the west, now its going to happen with China. If you guys think appartheid was cruel then what the Chinese have in store for you is going to be barbaric. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. At least the rest of the world knows one thing, Africa will never make anyone their bitches.

      Libertador - 2011-09-09 19:31

      And you base this on what really? The thing is, the argument you put forward can be looked at in three ways; either you are extremely ignorant, or there is some sort of cognitive dissonance at work...that sort of disconnect from reality can only be described as a form of psychosis; or, you know something that the rest of us don't. The facts on the ground are so far removed from your opinion or interpretation of what has and is happening that it can reasonably be said that there really is no relationship between what you're saying and what has, so far, happened re: China & Africa.

      slg - 2011-09-15 00:43

      Liberta, I recommend reading this message you've posted. It is without doubt the voice of your Higher Consciousness trying to get through to you. I cannot emphasize enough how it applies to you and the messages you post here, over and over again.

      Sam - 2012-05-10 21:06

      @Libertador, Aluta Continua , no more oppression by west hypocrites , we need our freedom of our life time, our continent cannt be hold at ransom by west, we are rich continent in terms of natural resources ,and agriculture why west is worried about africa and Zim in particular they know very well there are resources they cannt survive without them, if they dont care about Zim why keep on worrying about us, why they having sleepless night about africa , why? Keep up the great work to liberate africa now is time

      Sam - 2012-05-10 21:12

      @bullincapeto, right from the beginings we did nt trust trade relation with west , as long as china is buying our products where is the problem, now we live in global market ,who are you to dictate to us where we need to shift our trade , west is the past , now we talk of BRICKS, west and US is falling like USSR , you are living in the past this is 21 century , the infrastracture development partnered with middle east and asia must tell you something ,the train has gone, west is history

  • stefventerza - 2011-09-09 18:46

    Is the old fart up to his tricks again, His country is hungry, his people dying and killed by him, and his actions and he has lots to say bout other countries, He is nothing other like same than the rest off the countries that suffered the same fate. Tell the old bastard to let go and open his eyes to reality.

  • W Mukori - 2011-09-09 19:02

    Mugabe has failed to hold free and fair elections ever since he got into power over 30 years ago. He was selective as to who would observe the elections; it was a no, no for any observers from the West even before the later imposed sanctions. The next elections are set to be even more violent than ever, the dictators' thugs are already on a war footing. It is hardly surprising then the dictator is already telling the British and the West that he does not want them to comment on Zimbabwe's repressive political system. What is of interest here is that he is supposed to be in a GNU and yet he alone dictates everything! What exactly did Tsvangirai hoped to achieve in joining with the dictator in the GNU because nothing has really changed in Zimbabwe since MDC signed the GPA!?

  • moderfontein - 2011-09-09 21:04

    Liertador, please keep up the great work , its refressing to read your factual comments about how the Western Impearlist only intrest in Africa and the Arab world is to enslave and loot it resources. What the Impearlist and their mob of gangsters and criminals "rebelss" are doing in Libya is a henious crime aganist one of the most advanced nations Africa. Please keep up the great work in helping to expose the criminals in the Pentagon, London , and Paris who use lies and disinformation to cover their crimes, as they install puppet regimes to help them loot what belongs to Africa.

      Cecily - 2011-09-13 08:53

      Whew! Maybe you should learn to spell before you try to sound intelligent... Your statements betray a very naive, emotional and under-researched version of world events...

  • karldup - 2011-09-15 19:19

    @ Marange. Not sure how you measure performance of ZIM vs SA in your statement that SA is nowhere near the top 5 in Africa vs ZIM that is "The economic and intellectual" giants of Africa. Each year, The Africa Report chronicles the fortunes of the top 500 companies in Africa's key business sectors. These rankings, which were published in February 2011, are based on firms' 2009 performance, point to some of the important longer-term changes affecting African economies. South Africa has 160 companies on this list and Zimbabwe has 0 .... no spelling mistake here....a round fat zero. But then again you measure excellence differently than the Western oppressors! Their bars are just set a bit higher! The obvious solution is to ridicule their standards and admire mediocrity….go figure!!

      Sam - 2012-05-10 21:55

      I agree with Marange Zim is a sleeping giant the time they wake up South is nonentity , wait and see china must come in numbers in order to get rid of evil west for good, we will see who needs one the most, I love Zim whole heartedly I know time will come for them , west will be history

      teboh.rapheal - 2012-07-30 14:20

      KARLDUP the time to manipulate people with fgures is over.stop playing with peoples minds aryans are the must babaric of humans.some might be good but majority are crocodiles.we do not want to here you smell anymore.the bones of our ancestors continue to speak from the bottom of the sea.HOTEP

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