Tsvangirai asking for trouble – Zanu-PF

2012-10-12 10:58

Cape Town - Zimbabwe's justice minister and Zanu-PF negotiator in the country’s Global Political Agreement Patrick Chinamasa has vowed that Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai will not win the next elections, according to a report.

BBC reported on Thursday that Chinamasa revealed in an interview that Tsvangirai was asking for "trouble" by campaigning and mobilising "against the interest of Zimbabweans on many issues".

"He [Tsvangirai] cannot win. He has been campaigning and mobilising against the interests of Zimbabweans on many issues, whether talking about land, seeking to reverse the gains of the liberation struggle.

"…. Young people participated in the liberation struggle to gain control over our resources.

"Many friends died and are buried in unmarked graves.

"Now if anyone is going to say: 'When I come into power I'm going to reverse that,' they [the military] have every right to say: 'Please - you are asking for trouble. You will be asking for trouble.'

"He [Tsvangirai] will be asking for trouble to seek to reverse the land reform programme.

"There is no-one who is going to accept any enslavement."

Asked what he meant by "trouble" and if he was suggesting that he would not accept a Tsvangirai presidency under any circumstances, Chinamasa said:

"...if those countries [the West] impose for him to win, that result will not be acceptable.

"We will not accept it. We will just not accept it. Isn't that clear?"

President Robert Mugabe has set out plans for a constitutional referendum in November and March elections, a move that could herald a new step in the country's troubled political life.
 

Comments

• comrade.shefu - 2012-10-12 11:09

  ummmh cry mother Africa!

  max.reynecke - 2012-10-12 11:30

  Jip, exactly the kind of statement we expect from an African, why oh why have we been cursed with this plague?

  Watkykj - 2012-10-12 11:57

  Go live in flourishing Zims then Clifford....u scumbag!

  bheki.moyo.39 - 2012-10-12 12:37

  Cliford you don't even belong to anc what a claim brainless child of bob.

  ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-12 13:03

  Cliffy why dont you go and live in Zim under Bobby if its so good. The less people like you in SA the better. In fact I will pay for your bus ride.

  chrono.man.7 - 2012-10-12 14:33

  Cliff, the unmarked graves that are mentioned are not those in which Mugabe and his 5th Brigade killed more than 20 000 Matabeles because he regarded them as political enemies. The Matabeles who died were in the way of progress. The unmarked graves that Chinamasa mentions are the graves of supporters of Mugabe who tragically died.

  comrade.shefu - 2012-10-12 15:15

  Sithole which ANC do you belong to?I think its ANC Mal emma,the one that does not want free and fair elections.

  Watkykj - 2012-10-12 15:56

  Go live in flourishing Zims then Clifford....u scumbag!

  Watkykj - 2012-10-12 16:03

  Go live in flourishing Zims then Clifford....u scumbag!

  kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-12 18:23

  Comrade Clifford, go and live in Zimbabwe. There is no electricity, the hospitals have no drugs, the police take bribes every 30kms at roadblocks on the national highways, there is cholera because they do not have working sewerage plants, 20% of the population needs food assitence, the food has to be imported because the farms aren't producing anything, they do not have their own currency because they destroyed, their national airline has ceased to fly because they cant comply with IATA rules, tourism has collapsed, the police and courts only prosecute people who are not ZANU PF members even when they commit murder. Who is responsible for this "garden of eden" Robert Mugabe and ZANU PF, the same people who committed genocide against the Ndbele people. Mugabes victims are black people like you. You Sir effing idiot with no humanity, brains or education.

  mmanonose - 2012-10-12 19:31

  The Free Syrian army is mostly composed of people who do not have military experience. The people who toppled Gaddafi did not have military experience. I am sure Chinamasa is aware of that. If ZANU (PF) Unleashed the army onto the people, and unto a President voted in by the people. Then the people will fight against the same army. My advice is if ZANU loses the elections, they must just bow and leave peacefully, to avoid the country being thrown into anarchy.

• pmalungana - 2012-10-12 11:09

  wow

  frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-10-12 15:30

  The Robber Mugarbage Legacy.......dumb as mud, entitled moegoes barking like demented puppies at a bone festival! Get rid of this insufferable fool already!

• annelise.venter.77 - 2012-10-12 11:10

  So he is saying that even if the MDC wins the election fairly, they, ZANU-PF, will not accept that. African "democracy".

  patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-10-12 11:24

  "Liberation struggle" is there a more outdated and hackneyed phrase than that!!!!!!

  comrade.shefu - 2012-10-12 15:09

  Thats exactly what this moron is saying dear.What a disgrace?

  kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-12 18:26

  That is correct, what will be interesting is that given a coup d'etat in Zimbabwe what will SADC do? No doubt they will fiddle around just as they have done with Madagascar.

• ronald.vantoorn.9 - 2012-10-12 11:14

  just hope the SA taxpayers will not be expected to bail out these idiots!

  terrylee.heuer - 2012-10-12 11:23

  Well they have asked for quite a sum of money not sure if they've got it yet!!

  JamesMWood - 2012-10-12 11:30

  Please don't give these idiots another clever idea

• felix.feline.3 - 2012-10-12 11:15

  Is he saying he had friends in the Matebelle tribe?

• john.turner.58760608 - 2012-10-12 11:16

  Sounds like they will keep having elections and re-counts until the "right" party wins. Stereotypical African style democracy. (with apologies to countries such as Botswana)

• christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-10-12 11:17

  Many people died and are buried in umarked graves yet your government cannot escape its own destruction... if they cant see a new course of action needs to be taken I have no hope for them

• bradley.liebenberg1 - 2012-10-12 11:21

  Yes the west really want to take your cr..p country over!! Enslave everyone and make sure Zim becomes a British colony again!

• customdesign - 2012-10-12 11:21

  Sounds like someone is afraid the MDC will win, again

  kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-12 18:33

  And that they will not be able to rig the results for the third time.

• mmoledis - 2012-10-12 11:23

  Please Africans, avoid Wests at all costs in order to can be true Africans standing by our own, let Africa be Africa and only Africans decide for its continent, and also China be set aside too, as its influence on Africa due to the monies they gave African governments is not good to Africans as due to that they tend to dictate terms for African countries, gone are the days of colonization, so Africa need not again second colonization by China. Let us be free and stand by ourselves in decision making for the progress of African continent.

  christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-10-12 12:00

  And let us beset ourselves in our own selfish ways. Let us hinder the growth of our own continent until we plead for international intervention. Let us turn into warmongering lands as those of sudan, somalia and nigeria. Let the few who want to be educated escape this continent of declining opportunities, to help other continents prosper....

  tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-10-12 13:21

  ...and let us not take responsibility for any of the problems we have created for ourselves, for that we'll keep the west around

  nrgx.nrg - 2012-10-12 14:00

  but quite willing to accept aid from the west to feed the 90% starving citizens....MORON with double standards!

  johan.uys.75 - 2012-10-12 15:13

  ...and let us use more commas in a sentence.

  colin.langley - 2012-10-12 18:29

  thank god for natural selection.

  kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-12 18:40

  Clearly english wasn't an important part of your education, but then nor was history or economics. No one who lives in Africa and is dependent on it for their living wants to see it dragged down by corruption incompetence, poor governance and lack of economic and political freedom. But Chinamasa was talking about not accepting or respecting the democratic will of the people in Zimbabwe, is that what you want if so go and live in Zimbabwe

• bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-12 11:26

  If only Zim had oil!!! the sight of Abraham tanks rolling over the ZANU-PFFFF what a sight.

• lerato.mnizi - 2012-10-12 11:27

  F@ck zanu pf! F@ck robert mugabe!

  truthis.tway - 2012-10-12 12:00

  F@ck the ANC, F@ck THE ANCYL F@ck Jularse Malema!!

  lerato.mnizi - 2012-10-12 12:15

  F@ck politics! F@ck global warming! F@ck Justin Bieber! F@ck that weird Brazilian soapie on late night SABC. F@ck the SABC for that matter AND f@ck olives too!

  richard.bosmano - 2012-10-12 12:26

  You see folks , RSA can have unity in diversity sometimes. F@ck biltong with fat,yuck.....

  christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-10-12 12:48

  Haha this made my day

  felix.feline.3 - 2012-10-12 12:59

  You take that back Richard, you take that back right NOW!

  colin.langley - 2012-10-12 13:52

  HAHAHAHHAHAHA...This made me laugh to!...and in that case...F@ck ESKOM!

  sven.gohre - 2012-10-12 17:28

  Just shows that when one can use one's dick, all arguments disappear. Maybe Woman's Lib has a "Point", lol.

  reg.nagel - 2012-10-19 14:30

  F%ck soccer...

• bling.mbomvu - 2012-10-12 11:31

  Stupidity at its best what kind of a minister is so iresponsible like that?

• bonge.mpofu - 2012-10-12 11:35

  waitin for mugabe to die, he is 88 now. what is the probability of him dying after 90? two years to go maybe, hope so.

  tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-12 11:43

  when he dies Patrick Chinamasa takes over!!he is even more radical that the old man,when Julius left the ANCYL youth league they expected the current acting president Lamola to be less radical, guess what!!

  bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-12 11:51

  I do not need to guess...I know Lamola is an idiot!

• raps.magans - 2012-10-12 11:36

  Zimbabwe is where its now since 2000 Thanks to Morgan ,he is the one who advocated for sunctions fronting western interest #stupid# ,a stupid and disterous strategy meant to render the economy of Zimbabwe scream and useless, indirectly coercing the masses into submission so as to formalise his puppetry rule. how can a person who is a president in waiting advocate to bleed is own people,nxa nxa nxa .. yes land program was suppose to be done logically ,if my history is right ,it was suppose to be faciliated by number 10 downing street as per Lancester house agreement. Sorry guys i fail and i am still failing to understand the logic that how can a President in waiting advocate other powerful countries to Sunction his own people e.g ."2001-2003 SABC News,South africa has cut power supplys to ZIM so as to render the Mugabe administration useless" who was goin to suffer?,easy the Majority!!!! i think africans have to introduce a legislation that if anyone is not formally educated to the level of a Masters Degree in his relevant field shall not be illigible to hold a powerful public office position cause this catapulting africa back to stone-age.

  teddy.beer.319 - 2012-10-12 11:42

  A leader with a doctorate leading stupid people like you will still fail. Mbeki failed under our nose.

  bheki.moyo.39 - 2012-10-12 12:27

  Stay away with your degrees because you are useless you can't distinguish between someone who is serving you and the one that is bent on suffocating you. Oh shame wake up don't let old people like bob think for you. They are about to die. Do you want mugabe to take you with him when he dies?

  raps.magans - 2012-10-12 12:55

  @bheki,i am proud South African for that matter,not even interested in Zim politics,but one way or the other what happens in zim affect us all indirectly and directly. I dont want to be found wanting when judgement day come and held accountable for contribution to the demise of Zimbos by non-participation. and dont talk rubbish ,everyone does including you ,the death of Mugabe wont be the death of zim,there are many propective politicians far much better than him. what iam against is incompetence of African leaders,Morgan has shown me how incompetent he is,always musterbating ,blowing hot and cold.Mugabe is no holy rossery also ,if the need requires me to say so ,i will.but in this matter i am dealing with the incompetance of Morgan. Please remove your blinkers and idol-worshipping politicians ,LIGHT IS ALWAYS THERE AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

  nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-10-12 13:40

  raps - You keep on going on about how useless Morgan is and how he has done nothing for the country and how he is the one who told the west to institute sanctions against zim. What you forget to remember is that the sactions are not targeted at zimbabwe but at robert and he's murdering thieving army generals.Do you know that when they started taking back land in ZIM they said oh but we are going to give it to the people, but very little of that land was actually given to the people of zim but to robert and he's buddies ad he's wife. So if you are so clever please tell us where morgan was so useless

  raps.magans - 2012-10-12 14:16

  @nicholaas,thanks man,i appreciate your platform which you have given me,atleast if we have people like you in our country definitely we will progress cause you are mature,tolerant and accommodative.not these blind followers and "YES MAN" whose mind has being programmed that whenever his/her master asks him/her to jump the thing that comes to his/her mind is how high at the expense of why ! Yes in zim there is some elements of corruption both in zanu and mdc who want to enrich themselves at the expense of the masses,its a very big syndrome and a sad reality challenging our politicians. About Morgan,even the ambassador of States then, acknowledged that Morgan needed a lot of "hand-handling".The bottom line is Morgan is good as an oposition leader not a president cause he lacks the skills to rule and is not mentaly better equip to lead a nation,i am sure deep in your heart you have also noticed it but you are only in a state of denial cause he is the only hope to some.

  nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-10-12 14:39

  raps - morgan might not be the best choice at the moment yes but I would much rather choose him over robert. I use to travel through zim quite alot in fact my step father was born in zimbabwe and I can promise you that you will not find a more humble and hard working people any where. I dont have a problemwith them giving the land too the people not at all but what I do have a problem with is robert taking the farms away and giving it too he's wife and buddies what I do have a problem with is robert's wife going on million dollar shopping spree's while 80% of zimbabweans do not have a job and what I most of all have a problem is with people like this idiot minister threatening to kill morgen just because he wants to take away there cushy way of life.

  raps.magans - 2012-10-12 15:23

  @nicholaas your point hold water,but the issue is ,its difficult to trust Morgan cause it seems as if he is easily manipulated especialy from the people whom he view as friends,one thing that he doesnt know is those countries who claim to be his friend are only doing so for the sake of their national interests and it seams as if he has an unfavourable habit of making conflicting statements whenever he speaks,Man, i cant count on such a person worse make him be incharge of military ,a country, a population,an economy ,its very suicidal,highly suicidal ...Eish....i am very sorry to say so,better the devil people know.in investment there is something we call risk and uncertainty to which if Morgan takes the helm of zim it will be stuggering at high levels. Anyway your point taken...

  danie.strydom.7 - 2012-10-25 14:10

  "cause this catapulting africa back to stone-age. " LMAO - they never left - still waiting for an african to invent a pot to p*ss in you retard

• sarecen.smith - 2012-10-12 11:44

  ahhh you mean give back what you stole?

  derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-10-13 08:21

  No, the land and minerals were stolen by the colonialist and returned to the people by Zanu PF. You seem to forget who the real theives are.

• Watkykj - 2012-10-12 11:46

  All Zimbabweans in favour of Mugabe in South Africa, explain why you are here and not in Zims. And please do us a favour and F-off back to Zims!

  comrade.shefu - 2012-10-12 14:59

  And you think there is a Zanu PF supporter living in SA?

• stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-10-12 12:16

  The eretime "breadbasket of Africa" plods on while Mugabe continues to live in luxury and many of his citizens flee to South Africa to find work. His annnual medicals in Geneva and other parts of Europe seems to ensure that he remains in excellent health; he's going to live forever! What a thought!

• harald.voney - 2012-10-12 12:22

  Any body who talks like this guy should be shot for treason!!! because, thats what it is....

• rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-12 12:23

  Chinamasa the mugabe“s puppet

• rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-12 12:31

  There is no gains of libérations strrugle in ur banana republic copy that chinamasa.

• scholesss - 2012-10-12 13:25

  fool

• darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-12 13:29

  The only reason this brainless idiot is saying this is because if Tsvangiri comes into power he will loose his lavicous life style. These ZANU-PF brainless idiots have taken a beautiful country and F*%ked it up. People are starving, but so long as brainless Mugabe and all his fat brainless party are in power the people will suffer while they live in a life of luxury.

  bulelani.koko - 2012-10-12 14:05

  The best full is you you dream is impossible that puppet will never rule Zimbabwe.

  nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-10-12 14:20

  so bulelani if you say zim is so wonderful then why dont you move there and leave this beautiful country of ours

• masupa.tsela - 2012-10-12 13:56

  Of any sane black man must know that if America and Britain says YES automatically all blacks who are free in their minds are saying NO.\r\nAmerica keeps the world about American dream and forget that we all have dreams. And as a black man my dreams include never to have a president who is installed by those countries in order further exploit our land in their greedness. \r\nAnd to any white whon commented saying Clifford must go to Zim, you better to your ancestor land and stupid there. Africa belongs to all blacks!

  johnny.matsetse - 2012-10-12 14:04

  Wa nnyela

  nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-10-12 14:17

  Masupa I think you started drinking a bit too early because your comment made absolutely no sense at all.

  duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-12 19:38

  So you say that the prime minister is a lackey of the West..what stupidity to say such a thing..you would rather have a thief and murderer rule your country cause he is a African nationalist..HA HA HA HA you people are so stupid it hurts! How I wish we could be rid of your ilk forever

  colin.langley - 2012-10-12 19:52

  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA...

• denis.dendrinos - 2012-10-12 14:17

  sigh...... and I wonder how much longer till till we hear similar (not that we're that far off) from our illustrious glorious "democratic" brother leaders.......

• jason.marriott.75 - 2012-10-12 14:26

  The gains ... seriously...

• gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-12 15:04

  You also did not accept the fact that he won the last time. Under a dictatorship, what do you expect. There is no democracy in Zimbabwe.

• sisa.petse - 2012-10-12 15:04

  Chinamasa says "...if those countries [the West] impose for him to win, that result will not be acceptable.” Now let’s look at illustrious record of democracy from the west. Greece and Italy have new Prime Ministers; who elected them? The ISF in Algeria won an election in 1992, the west could have none of that. Next Hamas won an election in the Palestinian authorities Israel refuted the outcome. What about the dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and other Western client states. Why must we succumb to western hypocrisy and double-standards?

  duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-12 19:44

  sisa you are not wrong when you say western double standards..but not all can be painted with this tar brush and it certainly does not allow Mugabe to misbehave like he does..no if you were better you would rise up and start a real African renaissance,but somehow you will have to convince all your other brethren who prefer to commit violent acts and burn and pillage all they see.The Africans capacity for death and destruction puts him right at the bottom of the Totem pole!!

• david.phillips.583234 - 2012-10-12 15:19

  Zimbabwe, a beautiful country run by a bunch of chimps. South Africa, a Zimbabwe in the making. Hear the similarities in this idiots remarks?

• simon.mwando - 2012-10-12 15:22

  Welcome to zimbabwe

• douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-12 16:22

  From being the Jewel of Africa to a nation of poverty and dictatorship. So you got rid of the whites who paid tax and supported your economy. Now you are bankrupt looking for bailouts. And half your people have moved to south africa for a better life. Mugabe and ZanuPF are a disgrace, sorry for the Zimbabwean people for being so abused.

• dickenseze - 2012-10-12 17:16

  Patrick chinamasa musatanyoko wako....do de west vote in zimbabwe?When he beat u de last time rnd ws he impossed by any1,why are u trying to prempt a process that is still to take place?Why wld u pple allow Tsvangirai to be nominated as a candidate when u knw very well that he is not allow to lead Zimbabwe?Who ar u speaking fr u en ur group in zanu pf or de majority of zimbabweans?If fr sure u don't need de west hw come u ar going arnd begging fr de sanctions to be lifted?Morgan Tsvangirai will lead Zimbabwe whether u like it or not en fr ur own info he is gonna reposes those multipule farms u en frnds in top Zanu pf leadership grabed not frm real landless zimbabweans en next time let zimbabweans speak fr themselves bcoz u ar lying to de world u bastard.

• eddie.serane - 2012-10-12 17:23

  Decleration

• duncan.gill1 - 2012-10-12 19:28

  I love the way the zanu like to threaten every time they feel they might lose their power in Zimbabwe...who do they think is scared of them except the poor people of Zimbabwe who suffer under their yoke of nonsense..we all know that a few whites under Ian Smith quite easily kept them under control so where do they get the notion they should be feared..HA HA HA HA!!!

• ntemi.mark - 2012-10-12 22:45

  already being told u not gonna win the elections what's the point of going 2the elections if u're already lost!Crap really why waist money of organising stupid elections then?

• ntemi.mark - 2012-10-12 23:01

  always blaming the west! come on guys stop blaming the west it's time u must move on,these little prat games when are they gonna stop?every now &then whenever u guys failed u start blaiming the west,it's time 2move on now,stop this noisy of west west west! the world is no more interested in that stupid song

• mind.dube - 2012-10-13 13:03

  This is rediculous, maybe, its a constitution, so why are they preparing for elections, they know that Zanu pf they will deafeted, they're Zanu pf they benefited from landgrab, going to elections its a waste of time in Zimbabwea.

• mind.dube - 2012-10-13 13:03

  This is rediculous, maybe, its a constitution, so why are they preparing for elections, they know that Zanu pf they will deafeted, they're Zanu pf they benefited from landgrab, going to elections its a waste of time in Zimbabwea.

• georgem.mbokazi - 2012-10-13 14:28

  you are asking for trouble minister people are tired of this Zanuism.

• bornwell.dennison - 2012-10-15 13:54

  This doesnt come as a surprise,I hope someone in the AU took notes.ZANU doesnt respect the will of the oppressed masses of Zimbabwe, they do as they please. The Hourable Minister as part of his justification of refusing Zimbabweans their choice says is because he lost friends in the fight for Zimbabwe,that is sad ,personally I lost Brothers,uncles and cousins.I do believe so did millions of people in Zim and some of them in opposition parties,therefore this shouldnt be the reason to suppress the Peoples choice instead it should be the reason to respect democracy and its values because thats what the departed Heroes paid the ultimate price for.One cannot help but wonder what is the point of voting if our Leaders are gonna sturbonly ignore the results I wish Leaders could learn to respect the will of the people and also co-exist with opposition parties for the sake of their followers and progress of the Country.Zimbabweans all over are pleading for sanity and restraint to prevail

• kevin.gillespie.948 - 2012-10-16 00:37

  Why not just say that there will never be another election, and that Mugabe will be President for life.

• andre.kopper.98 - 2012-10-19 13:27

  his mind is so corrupted, he cant see the suffering that all the land reform has brought upon the once beautiful country, why are some people so blind to the facts

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