Zim army shooting protesters in Libya?

2011-02-24 14:00

Cape Town - Zimbabwe’s Defence Minister Emmerson Mnangagwa has been questioned in parliament over allegations that the country’s soldiers were part of the mercenaries unleashing violent attacks on protesters in Libya, a report said.

Zimbabwe’s NewsDay reported that the minister was asked to verify reports that Zimbabwean soldiers were shooting down unarmed civilians protesting against Muammar Gaddafi's regime. 

“Mr Speaker, I would like to know from the minister of defence, Emmerson Mnangagwa, whether there is any truth in the recent press reports that many mercenaries assisting Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are personnel from the ZNA.

“What is the government policy regarding the use of force by armed forces against civilians?” the Movement for Democratic Change’s chief whip Innocent Gonese asked.

Mnangagwa is said to have not hesitated to respond but his answer did not specifically relate to the question.

“That there are mercenaries who are African and are in Libya - I have no mandate in my duty as minister of defence to investigate activities happening in another African country.

“Whether the government of Zimbabwe has any policy where members of the Zimbabwe National Army are allowed to participate in cases or in events outside the country, I would like to advise honourable members that we do not have that provision in the Defence Act,” said Mnangagwa.

Analysts, however, have said that the recruitment of mercenaries in Libya from Sub-Saharan African nations began in the 1980s as a secret programme, but their presence was uncovered in recent years. The exact number was not known, but they were believed to be in the hundreds.

Gaddafi, who seized power in a 1969 military coup when he was 27, has deliberately neglected the 50 000-member army in his country to diminish its ability to topple him. Instead, he has spent lavishly on arms and perks for militia loyal to him and his sons, experts have been quoted as saying.

  • Shelley Pembroke - 2011-02-24 14:22

    It's at times like these that you wish there was a little more compassion in the world...and common sense for those animals in charge.

      Ross - 2011-02-24 14:23

      Please don't insult animals, try "savages".

      Shelley Pembroke - 2011-02-24 14:36

      Too true Ross. My apologies. - 2011-02-25 11:23

      Animals have more integrity than they have. Just call them what they are and leave the animal analogies out of it.

      Hardtalk - 2011-02-25 13:59

      animals only kill to eat - As Ross put it correctly "savages"

  • Hunters Gold - 2011-02-24 14:23

    whats wrong with the African presidents who have been around for the past umpteen decades!No surprises there because Mugabe knows what's coming to him. He is supporting his dictator friend so that when (when not if) Zimbabweans revolt, Mugabe is gonna need Gaddafi's help! what makes these 2 idiots, Mugabe and Gaddafi, think that they own Zimbabwe and Libya respectively??...they think they are running their own companies. These 2 bastards make me sick!

      Big.Mullah - 2011-02-24 18:54

      i agree wit you hunters, these bastards are very evil,,, they must die, and i hope zimbabweans also wake up

  • Shamwari - 2011-02-24 14:23

    okay and the question mark on the headline? Just another speculation story...

      johan - 2011-02-24 14:33

      You put a ? after a question...mmmmm

      David - 2011-02-24 14:38

      Where there is smoke there is fire!

      nhla.prv - 2011-02-25 13:57

      Thats all we read these days, speculation 24/7.Its sad !

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-02-24 14:26

    If the Zim army is assisting in Libya - surely RIGHT NOW would be the ideal time for Zimbabweans to stage their revolt?

      Zinki - 2011-02-24 15:00

      They are getting practice in case it happens in Zim. - 2011-02-25 11:28

      Yay, the voice of reason. And get together a bunch of South African to help clean up Zim once and for all, and then we could have a largely peaceful prosperous region. And Zim citizens can return to their country without fear. Slay Mugabe NOW! Slay Gaddafi NOW!

  • lakhan7 - 2011-02-24 14:28

    What a hoax. Zim people are so peaceful... They shouldn't even lock their doors a few years back. This is a political hoax...

      DW - 2011-02-24 14:45

      You are pathetic. You clearly think that Mugabe's turds smell like perfume. So I suppose there is no violence in Zimbabwe and no-one ever gets killed by the army and fairies float around on glitter dust and everyone is happy.

      Talk500 - 2011-02-24 15:46

      People in Zimbabwe have not been arrested and are being tortured right now because they were discussing Egypt???!!!! Under what rock do you stay?

  • JohannV - 2011-02-24 14:30

    "...Movement Democratic for Change’s chief whip..." Isn't it the "Movement FOR Democratic Change"? Or maybe they changed the name. It's hard to keep up with African name changes.

      nhla.prv - 2011-02-25 13:59

      Its Our super journos !They change them at will !

  • Jan - 2011-02-24 14:32

    His Excellency, President for Life Robert Mugabe's probably getting a lekker vet cheque for that.... bliksem!

      pointblankza - 2011-02-24 14:41

      Free oil...

      Bratt - 2011-02-25 10:22

      great incentive then.

  • tatsss - 2011-02-24 14:38

    I really would not be surprised if Bob sent his men there-bunch of murderes!

      Zinki - 2011-02-24 15:02

      He sent them there to get practice because he is scared it will happen to him soon.

  • Hungwe - 2011-02-24 14:40

    Sadly Zimbabwean's don't own Zimbabwe anymore, it is the Chinese who now own it with the savages in the ZANU PF government as their lackeys.

  • JHBBOY - 2011-02-24 14:41

    1 bullet 1 Dictator

  • pointblankza - 2011-02-24 14:44

    JA and wasn't Malema praising this mass murderer the other day? (Mugabe)

  • nem - 2011-02-24 14:47

    1 out 3 illegal zimbabweans that enter south africas borders are zanu pf soldiers,which are being inserted into south africa to assist malemas regime.dont forget malemas continued visits to mugabe,when malema is president they will assist in his more hostile take over of farms and white businesses

      catij001 - 2011-02-24 15:27

      You have a point and we should not allow that to happen. We have to stand up now before it is too late. I always hear white South Africans say that the Western world will never allow it. News flash: they sat back and watched while 800 000 peopel got murdered in Rwanda and are now sitting back and waiting to see who gets their cut. Who are we to think that they won't do the same when the shite hits the fan in SA. Not just white South Africans but all South Africans who like freedom and justice and equal opportunity for all have to stand up and say enough. Our government is quite clever, they are using the opposition support (working class) to fund their corruption by introducing all these new taxes that effect mainly the white man.

  • Gaanake - 2011-02-24 14:48

    Why am I not surprised, a scoudrel supporting to another scoundrel to murder his countrymen. Gaddafi would do the same for Mugabe and our government would just dismiss it as "internal affairs of neighbouring countries"!

  • chileaan - 2011-02-24 14:50

    And this is the man that wanted a United States of Africa ......

      lldoidge - 2011-02-24 16:06

      Even more frightening is that he wanted to be the president of United States of Africa! Eish!

  • zulufox - 2011-02-24 14:55

    they are practicing, soon it will be Zim's turn to shoot and kills the innocents!

  • Jiggie - 2011-02-24 15:00

    All the members of Dictators-are-us helping each other out. And to think our beloved ANC also suck up to these guys!!!!!!!!!!1

  • panda559 - 2011-02-24 15:07

    Bring back the boers without apatheid, they'll sort this country and Zimbabwe out in no time.

      dennyt - 2011-02-24 15:18

      Yes l agree with you panda.lam so black its not funny.screw Mugabe

      catij001 - 2011-02-24 15:29

      Agreed - ANC supporters need to realise that by the white man coming into power it does not necessarily mean that Apartheid will come back - peoples eyes have now been opened

      cerveza - 2011-02-24 16:16

      did you forget the whiteman was just as as corrupt and violent to the people in SA during their rule, they just hid it better but also stole the country's bank account empty with their Bantustan allies, and black people were beaten up for being black and white people for asking "why did you do that". I am not saying I think white people are like that, but to be wary as corruption, violence and greed comes in all colours It is claimed that the Apartheid cronies kept R340billion hidden from the people, all the people

      Madelane - 2011-02-24 17:14

      Indeed Cerveza...the NATS were corrupt to the core and it is painfully obvious that this is one lesson the ANC have learnt really well and no this is not a racist remark for as you say corrupt self serving politicians come in all colours....dictators too for that matter...

      ry4ncarpenter - 2011-02-25 10:04

      Correct me if I'm wrong but Africans love living in chaos and poverty. They give me no evidence to think otherwise - just look at every African country. Imagine where Africa would be without all the Africans - most defiantly where they are now. What more Africans need to do it think for themselves and not what propaganda their leaders are throwing at them - are you really that stupid that you cannot work it out.

      pointblankza - 2011-02-25 13:46

      @ry4ncarpenter, without looking it up on google please answer me a question... how many countries are there in Africa... quickly now, no cheating..

  • briansmith702 - 2011-02-24 15:13

    Another great ANC friend murdering innocent civilians. True to the quality of our politicians. See how quiet they will remain. Birds of a feather. Great bedfellows the ANC have. All the scumbags of the world. Cuba, China, Zimbabwe, Gadaffi and the list goes on!!!

  • Sniper69 - 2011-02-24 16:12

    There are more South Africa Mercenaries in Libya than Zim's.....lets leave it at that

      Mundau - 2011-03-06 02:10

      And they come in all colours.

  • panda559 - 2011-02-24 16:26

    @dennyt thank for that, we are being brain washed by the ANC that boers are somehow not rehabilitated and still think fellow black South Africans are a lesser people.The truth is the vast majority of boers just want what we want... a peaceful prosperous sovereign state.(you still find the odd crackpot).

  • Bad Truth - 2011-02-24 17:47

    This is very good news indeed, very clever uncle Bob, because for that time that we are defending Gadaffi, guess what, Lybia will be a Zimbabwean colony!!!! Remember that time when we had colonised the DRC?? This time lets make haste and get the oil deals that make sure the bleedy BPs and Whoever will need exploration rights from us like we did in the DRC with those diamonds. Last time I checked there is no law against mecenaries, remember those guys Simon Mann and company we once jailed and the British were frothing with anger??? What do you think those guys were doing in Equatorial Guenea change nappies??? They were going to kill people. Now I understand what democracy is, its the only ideology for which one is allowed to kill for, if you kill for any other reason you become very bad... Guess what, if we look after Gadaffi, when he eventually grows weak, he will come and hide in Zimbabwe at his farm in Mazowe with his billions of stolen oil money then our economy will be big like Switzerland!!! I bet you didn't see that coming...

  • Mundu - 2011-02-24 19:25

    What an obtuse answer from this scum. You just know he is lying.

  • lee.larryblue - 2011-02-25 08:06

    There is nothing that can be compared to Gaddaffi and Mugabe in this world,,,,,they are cruel bastards..... Judging by the minister's response, it is clear that there are ZIM army personell in Libya doing Gaddaffi's dirty job on Mugabe's instruction...

  • jamesonl - 2011-02-25 11:46

    Mugabe, Mugabe once again. Are you not ashamed of yourself? Why do you so much hate to see other people happy? Why shoot the Libyans? So you are shooting them on behalf of Gaddafi, because the Libyan soldiers refused to gun down their compatriots? Well, the day of reckoning is coming your way, Gaddafi's fate will be your fate. You will be dragged out of power soon, and the whole world will know - remember you like screaming a lot.

  • rodney - 2011-03-11 16:16

    One can not be surprised if such reports are true, considering that the 2 criminals Mugabe and Gaddafi are friends and thrive on using the army to suppress their own people. This shows how toothless the AU is and how sympatheitc they are to their felow criminals. Their lack of action to investigate such reports indicates that they are all onithiological specimens of identical plumage that perambulate habitual in close proximity.

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