‘I’m dying alone’

2012-04-14 16:41

Is it true that you don’t see eye to eye with crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli and Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa?

My job at the South African Police Service (SAPS) is not to open a nursery to nurse anybody’s ego.

The president, the people and the Constitution of the country don’t expect that of me.

They expect me to go out there and fight crime.

I am not going to talk about my minister because we haven’t been in touch since the day I was suspended.

On Mdluli, we are more like colleagues. Mdluli and I are not such monsters to each other as it has been made out there.

I am suspended, his cases are withdrawn, we have phoned one another after that.

Not only that, we have met. But when you read what is being written, you would swear that whenever we see one another blood will flow.

It’s not so.

When did you find out your phone was being tapped by crime intelligence?

This thing did come out a year back . . . I do ask myself why would that be done to me?

One day I will have the answers.

Mdluli is on the record saying that you are plotting against him.

I would tell Mdluli that it is secondary information. He heard it from the people who he heard it from.

Now who are those people? What do they want from both of us?

At no stage, then and now, have I been conspiring for the removal of Mdluli.

Mdluli also produced a ‘ground coverage’ intelligence report claiming that you attended a meeting to plot for the removal of Zuma in Mangaung.
Let me distance myself from your assertion that it (the report) was developed by Mdluli.

I don’t know who developed it, but I know that his signature of declassification is on the document, although last week he said that his signature was forged.

The turning point that the appearance of this document marked is the point when post-Polokwane ANC politics lost its innocence.

I really do not understand why there was no political drive to condemn this document in the same way that the Browse Mole report was condemned.

In the absence of such condemnation or, at least an attempt to investigate the many allegations that are made in that document . . . you have a situation where those allegations continue to live in the minds of those who are aware of them.

How does that make you feel?

I am a trained guerilla. In the field I lost friends. The word betrayal is a heavy word. Maximum betrayal is when people hand you over for the maximum suffering (death).

I would not say that I have been betrayed. Maybe at the end of all these things I will be able to say and measure how much I have suffered at the hands of whomever . . . The question that I do privately ask is, why me?

I have thought about it and I have gone beyond this being a setup. If it is so, why me? I’m dying alone.

Is it true that the relationship between you and Zuma is at it’s lowest ebb?

Jacob Zuma has always been my commander. I have chatted to the president even on the process of these matters . . . He is the one person I can still talk to and see, as I saw him in Nkandla in December. We had breakfast.

How has the suspension affected you?

I miss being in the trenches. I enjoyed my job. I still love my job. It’s a tough job emotionally, physically, socially and politically. But it’s doable and enjoyable. What gives me comfort is that the police miss me.

What is your view on the alleged abuse of the crime intelligence ‘slush fund’?

I want to tread very carefully . . . but there are things I would have done differently if I was still at my job and I would like to end there.

Do you know businessman Timmy Marimuthu, who was allegedly paid to ‘influence’ you?

I know Timmy. I don’t know when they put him next to me because I have known him since I was KwaZulu-Natal transport MEC . . . If you say Timmy was put next to me to corrupt me, then I don’t know if he did a very good job for them.

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