Would you like some fries with your hate?

2012-08-02 12:16

Georgina Guedes

A friend of mine was riding an escalator in London, his boyfriend's head resting on his shoulder. A woman passed them, turned, smiled and said, "It's true love."

This is the kind of response that any couple involved in a quiet display of affection deserves, no matter what the gender of the two involved parties. And yet around the world, there is endless criticism directed at gay relationships and partnerships.

I've never understood this kind of thinking. If you disapprove of gay marriage, then don't marry someone the same sex as you. I don't see how two people entering into a relationship because they love each other has any bearing on any other person in the world. It's their business.

In America, Dan Cathy the president and CEO of fast-food chicken outfit Chick-fil-A spoke out against gay marriage, saying he was "very much supportive of family - the biblical definition of the family unit."

This has reignited a debate that's always smouldering in the United States, and on Wednesday, supporters of Cathy's stance flocked to outlets around the country. Tomorrow gay couples are expected to push back with a “kiss off” in Chick-fil-A branches.

I doubt that either rush of support will succeed in changing anyone's mind about anything.

Many of the opponents of gay marriage cite their religion as the reason for their hatred. But religion should be about the relationship between an individual and their god. Again, if you think it's wrong to be gay, then don't be gay (although I feel sorry for you trying to quash your true nature). Why does it matter what anyone else does?

There's a common slogan bandied about in defence of homosexuality: "Hate is not a family value." This makes a very relevant comment on the way in which those who are supposedly focussed on Godliness and the sanctity of straight marriage defend their own beliefs in a litany of attacks on those who don't see things the same way.

The view that gay marriage somehow erodes the worth of straight marriage is also bizarre. Marriage is a contract between the two individuals involved, and God if your beliefs carry you that way, so if I were to conduct a ceremony with a chicken and call it marriage, it wouldn't change the significance of your own union.

Likewise, the joining of two people of the same sex who love each other should have no impact on you, no matter how strange it may seem to you.

So much of what happens in straight marriage destroys its own sanctity. Abuse, power games, subjugation of women, desperate clinging to a situation because it's what society expects. At least when gay people get married, they're not doing it because of external pressure, but because of genuine sentiment and often in the face of harsh criticism.

And that as far as I'm concerned, is what true love is really about.

- Georgina Guedes is a freelance writer. You can follow @georginaguedes on Twitter.

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  • allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-08-02 12:49

    What material negative effect does gay marriage have on society , personally, culturally ect ? to the positive ? This opposition all stems from a 2000yr old book of various compiled works that references homosexuality in as explicit terms as a nostrodamian prophecy. Neither is marriage a exclusively christian behaviour\ritual\tradition as its pervasive across the world and varies . This is not a moral debate but a political religous one where the religous want to impose their supersitous belief set on the morality of homosexuality on everyone .

  • james.rossouw - 2012-08-02 13:03

    "Gay" Is a tragedy. In the US 20 yr shorter lifespan, 13.9 suicide rate,3x smoking, 7x alcoholism, 119x drug use, V Hetero's. .5%US pop 50% hiv + @ $225,656 per patient. 500 to 1000 sex partners. Sources, CDC, VA, Justice, Buchanan.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:08

      James this is the third time I asked you to provide links to your sources and you always ignore me. But I have to say the '500 - 1000 sex partners' stat is a new one. How deep did you have to dig to pull that one out of your ar$e?

      cari.liebenberg - 2012-08-02 13:40

      *slow motion eye roll* Oh yes, loving someone leads to all that. Well if you say its so then it must be true. 'Cause nothing on the internet is made up, false or biased.

      koo.doyle - 2012-08-02 13:49

      But James, how does it affect YOU? How is anyone else's sexuality YOUR business?

      lizzyvd - 2012-08-02 14:00

      Are your stats saying that gay people have between 500 and 1000 partners?! Sjoe, nobody told me this! I have some serious catching up to do then! I'm not even in double digits yet!

      phoenix.px.5 - 2012-08-02 15:30

      Oh here we go again.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 10:36

      "13.9 suicide rate,3x smoking, 7x alcoholism" Thanks to bigots like you that don't accept them.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-03 14:04

      The USA is heavily religious, it's no wonder gays are persecuted there. Bunch of self righteous bigots.

  • hallo.daar.56 - 2012-08-02 13:03

    Actually his business has boomed.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:17

      Yeah public perception of their brand has fallen 40% since the interview. Thing is most Americans (Republicans and Democrats) didn't care that they were a company with Christian-values. Now that this company openly opppose marriage equality the +-50% of America that are Republicans vehemently support them and the other 50% who are Democrats (who previously were neutral to their religious values) will now think twice before supporting their business. In the short run their business is booming because the Republicans are all rallying around them and buying their food like crazy but it will wear off and Republicans will buy from them at the rate they used to before this saga. But Democrats won't forget and won't continue to support their business at the same rate they did before all of this

  • dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 13:03

    @Georgina: 'I don't see how two people entering into a relationship because they love each other has any bearing on any other person in the world. It's their business.' Precisely Georgina, let's not restrict this only to two people, but three as well. Why should a man not be allowed to marry two woman he loves? I hate people that are judgemental about this kinda stuff. A friend of mine was very much in love with his sister, but their relationship was always frowned upon. Haters will be haters.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:23

      Dakeyras so you suggest that gay-marriage will lead to people demanding to marry multiple wives and siblings? If you want to prevent these kind of marriages I think you should take it a step further and ban heterosexual marriages so that gays don't demand marriage and then so that polygamists don't demand marriage, etc... But then again I since we have had marriage equality in SA since 2006 I have never hears of a brother and sister wanting to get married because gay people have that right? Same goes for all the 11 other countries who have equal marriage laws

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:24

      *since 2006 I have never heard of...

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 15:28

      @elewies: "Dakeyras so you suggest that gay-marriage will lead to people demanding to marry multiple wives and siblings?" Our president is a polygamist. So are many other chiefs/kings in Southern Africa. I'm merely saying that we need equality in the country and that does not include just approving of two men's love for one another, but also the love of one man for two (or more woman), one woman's love for two (or more) men, a brother's love for his sister and yes a father's love for his daughter/s. As Georgina aptly stated, what right do we have to disapprove of non-heterosexual 'love'? Let's not judge people by different standards. Just because we may think a relationship is 'icky' surely cannot be grounds for deeming it 'immoral'. That should apply for all types of relationship, polygamous, homosexual or incestuous (sibling, paternal or maternal). Don't apply your subjective moral code to another's choice. There is no place for bigot's in our wonderful country.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 15:55

      @Dakeyras- you are anti gay-marriage (just by looking at your other comments on this very same page and your comments on previous articles) and you have this argument that by legalising gay marriage people will start demanding the legalization of incestuous and polygamous CIVIL marriages. We know since gay marriage were deemed legal in SA since 2006 no-one started demanding these other kinds of CIVIL marriages. So now you start making comments like 'legalise incestuous relationships' in order to create the illusion to other bigots that there actually are people demanding this. You mare a deceitful person.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 15:57

      *you are a deceitful person.

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 16:36

      @elewies: 'We know since gay marriage were deemed legal in SA since 2006 no-one started demanding these other kinds of CIVIL marriages' We're not discussing the legal implications, nor marriage. We are simply discussing the moral status of certain 'loving' relationships. I'm merely questioning the MORAL basis for someone to reject homosexual, incestuous or polygamous relationships. Should we accept homosexual relationships, but reject polygamous or incestuous relationships? Why would we say its wrong for a man to have intercourse with his daughter if they're both consenting adults? When we remove God from the framework, there isn't much of a framework to rely on is there?

      elewies - 2012-08-02 17:23

      @Dakeyras- Are we talking about the same God who permitted polygamous marriages? Or are you talking about the same God but want to ignore the polygamous parts throughout the Bible because that's not how YOU feel other people's marriages should be like. The Bible is good for many things, but I don't think it should be used to define marriage. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly over morality. The reason why people will not allow incestuous relationships is because it has negative medical effects on children conceived by two very closely related relatives. As for gay marriage and polygamous relationships- well those don't have that kind of negative medical effects on children. Now you will argue that they might not be subjected to medical problems but they will be bullied by others for being children of gay/polygamous families. Well to that I say the problem isn't the gay/poly families, but the parents who raise their kids to be hateful little monsters

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 18:47

      @Elewies: 'God who permitted polygamous marriages' Because he felt man was too hard of heart AT THE TIME, yes. @Elewies: 'The reason why people will not allow incestuous relationships is because it has negative medical effects on children conceived by two very closely related relatives. ' * We 'allow' a woman over 35 to conceive, statistically she is much more likely to have a downs syndrome (or some other abnormality) than a woman in her 20's. So shall we stop that? * Perhaps we should force all couples to undergo genetic treatment via IVF instead of allowing 'normal' couples to try have children. The latter produces far more 'negative medical effects'. Incestuous relationships are often used by breeders, particularly father/daughter. Again, this is wrong among humans why? So, it is okay to have a homosexual relationship (one that can't even produce an offspring), but not okay to have an incestuous relationship (one which can at least produce an offspring!). Hey, do you think its cool the way they get a stud bull to ejaculate? That okay? Yet bestiality is not okay? No, there is no basis for projecting your own subjective moral values on anyone else, regardless the circumstances or prejudice. Without God, anything goes.

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-08-03 10:24

      Dakeyras makes a valid point and attack the principle; that if gay marriage does not directly influence you, you have no right to be opposed to it. He used examples that apply the same pinciples to other minorities that society still find taboo, to illustrate how weak the principle is. If you assume that marriage is good (or we would not debate for rights for other to get married), then the advocates for gay marriage needs to argue that gay marriage will strengthen the institution of marriage. Marriage has been an important building block of society for centuries and in my view is important as it impacts more than two individuals individual: there are children and the wider community to consider. That case has not been made. I am looking for research aand evidence that gay marriages are just as strong as heterosexual marriages, that children from gay marriages are not disadvantaged etc before I would support a chance from the status quo in the country I live in.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-03 14:09

      Dakeyras you truly are an idiot. First of all incest causes genetically deformed kids, so yes it should be outlawed for very good reason. As for multiple wives, I really couldn't care - just don't use my taxes to support all 7 of them if you get my drift - because that's not fair. As for "without God anything goes" implying Godless people have no morals, you are completely wrong, in fact worldwide statistics have proved that countries like Sweden (the most Atheist country) has the lowest crime rates, when compared to highly religious countries where suicide and crime are highest.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-03 15:55

      @dake what god? what framework? Yours? Please do not impose your bigoted viewpoints on others. BTW idiot, there is a good reason why brother does not marry sister. Did you pass grade 7 biology?

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-08-04 07:20

      There's a biological reason why siblings shouldn't marry and have kids. You do know that right? Plus, it grosses out most people to want to have sex with their siblings. Seriously. I do not frown on polygamy, only when it hits my pocket. I personally would NEVER share my husband. But, that's my choice. Also, all the hate comments in here is just tiring. When people love each other, no matter what sex, colour or creed, they should get married if they believe in that. It's not my place to judge.

  • charmaine.pieters.58 - 2012-08-02 13:13

    He has a right to his own opinion surely? it seems that when your opinion is not the popular one, your'e a hater and not acceptable in society. Ninja, you say that the religious want to impose their 'superstitious' belief....isnt that exactly what the world doing....accept gay marriages or be branded as braindead?

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-08-02 13:23

      No , outside of 'the bible' says its wrong .What is the opposition to gay marriage? Remember that Christianity does not have monopoly on marriage.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:35

      Charmaine he really does have the right to support the Biblical view of marriage. But he seems to be lacking consistency because I don't see him campaigning to legalise polygamous marriages (I mean how many wives did men have in the Bible?), I also don't see him promoting that women should be stoned to death if they were found not to be virgins and I also don't see him advocating laws to force women to marry their husband's brother if their husband died without leaving an heir... So just choosing parts of the Bible and applying it so that your kind of marriage is justified makes it hard for other people to take you seriously

      judith.taylor.56 - 2012-08-02 15:46

      In actual fact, the New Testament frowns on marriage and promotes celibacy. If the christians had obeyed, christianity would have died out

      dubaday - 2012-08-02 16:13

      Judith Nkwe The Bible does not promote only celibacy. There are many passages where it is advised that husband and wife become one, wives be an example to husbands, husbands to love and respect their wives and vice versa, and so on and so on. As mentioned somewhere above, do not take one small passage out of the Bible out of context and then say that this is how christians should roll

  • gus.fernandes.7 - 2012-08-02 13:19

    Homosexuality is contrary to nature. Homosexuals should have a little shame and NOT be pushing their lifestyle constantly on the broader public.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 13:38

      So then why have scientists discovered and documented homosexual behaviours in over 1500 animals if it is not natural?,,

      koo.doyle - 2012-08-02 13:53

      Why should they have 'shame' you homophobe???? Really, good luck clawing your way up the evolutionary ladder.

      phoenix.px.5 - 2012-08-02 15:31

      Some people are gay. Get over it.

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 15:35

      @ elvies: "So then why have scientists discovered and documented homosexual behaviours in over 1500 animals" Homosexuality is a rejection of the opposite sex. Some animals may (in extraordinary circumstances) displays what seems to be homosexual relationships, but often it is a reflection of dominance. This behaviour is common in even tomcats. It is biologically abnormal (i.e anti evolutionary/anti 'survival of the fittest;) to 'not' pass off your own genetic code because you don't find the opposite sex attractive. Simply put, if you were given 'tackle' and you don't want to use it for its intended purpose... there is biologically 'something wrong with you'. Any animal breeder will tell you that.

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 15:44

      @Koo He feels that EVERYONE must have shame, since he is suffering heavily from this disease for the last ?20 odd years, because he slept with so many people before he got married AND before he became a serious god-follower! (SO ja, tell me, does your black book not also state you may not sleep with anyone before you big day? Hoe many men and woman (HETERO) are guilty of this apparent sin? I quite from your beloved black book, "Let him without sin cast the first stone..." Now, shut it!

      mundu.olewega - 2012-08-02 15:57

      @Phoenixx- and some people feel gays are perverts and what they do behind closed doors should stay there. Get over that.

      elewies - 2012-08-02 16:03

      @Dakeyras: "Homosexuality is a rejection of the opposite sex". Here I thought homosexuality was the attraction to the same sex. "Some animals may (in extraordinary circumstances) displays what seems to be homosexual relationships, but often it is a reflection of dominance". I accept that this is the case of SOME animals and the reason I accept this is not because you say so, but because it is confirmed by scientists. Now as you yourself said this is the case of SOME animals, so what about the other 1400 species that does not engage in homosexual behaviour as an act of dominance. Please link me to the relevant scientific results that say this is the case in ALL 1500 species and not just SOME. Thanks :)

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 16:16

      @ mundu: Yes, and some people feel that heteros are perverts and what they do behind closed doors should stay there. Get over that!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-02 16:40

      You should f*ck off back to church and not speak about things you have no clue about.

      dakey.ras.73 - 2012-08-02 19:10

      @elewies: "Please link me to the relevant scientific results that say this is the case in ALL 1500 species and not just SOME." Except you made the claim that 1,500 species have shown homosexual tendencies. Please provide ME with 1,500 studies that have introduced these species back into a community where they active rejected the opposite sex in preference for a same sex partner. Goodness man, dogs hump anything it can find, it hardly suggests a dog is 'homosexual' because there aren't any other females around.

      ed.gutsche - 2012-08-03 11:41

      dude, please stop pushing your values on us. fact...if you want to comment in public, at least have the common decency that your little black book preaches about, to respect that other people also have their own opinion and set of values. respect others and they will respect you, otherwise, move to Oranje.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 12:32

      Religion is contrary to nature. Religion should have shame and NOT be pushing their lifestyle constantly on the broader public.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-03 16:05

      @dake I think you protest to much. Do you have unresolved issues with your sexuality. Just asking. Medical aid pays for therapy these days

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-03 16:24

      @dake Here is a link for you. Short and sweet

  • dawn.baldwin.94 - 2012-08-02 13:20

    Me thinks you miss the point. To stand up for moral values does not imply that you hate, eg. to say that murder is wrong does not mean that you hate the murderer. Problem is, many nowadays don't have the courage to accept that the God calls homosexuality sin. People don't want to consider that truth is an absolute and not just a case of "if it feels good to you, then so be it". eg. People in this country say that racism is wrong - so tell me, is that an absolute truth, or just your opinion?

      charmaine.pieters.58 - 2012-08-02 13:31

      Well put Dawn, we must be ever so careful to say anything just in case we offend someone? you are guaranteed to step on someone's toes this doesnt mean that if i dont agree with gay relationships i hate gay people. and more and more people will rather follow the current trend in society than stand up for they believe in.

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 14:42

      Okay, so why is homosexuality a sin? Because a deity says so? I think you should start thinking for yourself! Take god out of it all, and then think to yourself: Why is a gay relationship so bad and wrong? What does it do to me as a person? How does their relationship affect me? Does it have a negative impact on me and my family? Does a gay relationship break down my moral values????? I think not! Even, If you ask yourself these qyestions with your deity in your life... YOU WILL NOT BE MORALLY AFFECTED BY A GAY relationship, same as we are not affected by you hetero relationships!!!!! Please answer me: Cos I think all the answers will be NO, gay relationships do not have an affect on you whatsoever!!! So, please stop quoting a thing you have no evidence of, except something you were born into, and the need to believe in something to feel safe!

      bob.macphearson - 2012-08-02 15:03

      I think you're god is a retard, he creates homosexuals then brands them as sinners? Maybe your god has cerebral palsy, regardless though, people really shouldnt take religious people seriously, they get their morals from a book condoning murder, rape, slavery and misogyny.

      bob.macphearson - 2012-08-02 15:05


      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 15:31

      @BOB! Well said sir!

      phoenix.px.5 - 2012-08-02 15:34

      Not everyone believes in your God - who so by the way also called eating prawns an abomination. Whether you like it or not, there have always been gay people and will always be. Get over it. And implying gay people have 'lower' moral values than yourself?? Seriously??? LOL

      judith.taylor.56 - 2012-08-02 15:47

      Dawn - if you want to believe in fairy stories - that's your problem

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-02 16:42

      Oh so because you and others like pussy, you are the only ones that are moral? You people really need to get off your high horse.

  • nathan.loftieeaton - 2012-08-02 13:33

    Thank-you for common sense!

  • - 2012-08-02 13:34

    "It doesn't have ANY effect on your life. What do you care? People try to talk about it like it's a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say 'How am I supposed to explain to my child that two men are getting married?' I dunno, it's your ****** kid, you ******' tell 'em. Why is that anyone else's problem? Two guys are in LOVE but they can't get married because YOU don't want to talk to your ugly child for five ******' minutes?" – comedian Louis CK on gay marriage.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-02 19:44

      Louis CK tells it like it is. Loved him in The Invention of Lying.

  • angela.everson.10 - 2012-08-02 13:40

    All I saw in the article was meaningless fluff and knee-jerk words. Please don't pay lip-service to religion, especially Christianity, which is clearly against homosexuality. No matter how much hot air comes out of someone's mouth, it just won't change that Christianity is anti-homosexuality.

  • MallyGold - 2012-08-02 13:42

    @Georgina: You have mischievously twisted the words of Dan Cathy of Chick-fil-A by declaring that he hates gays, knowing full-well that this is blatently untrue. Dan Cathy did not so much as even point a finger at anyone; he simply gave his personal opinion on gay marriages as well as his rationale in support of his viewpoint. Everyone has the right to hold their own personal opinion; that is a basic human right. However, it seems that if anyone does not embrace gay marriages and the act of homosexuality, then he is declared a homophobic gay hater. I disagree with gay marriage as well as the act of homosexuality in all its forms; but I choose to respect (love) the gay people. So, if you apply the dictatorial precedent you follow in your article, will you judge my opinion to be that of a gay hater?

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 14:46

      Yeah, keep telling yourself that! You love 'em? WHY, if you "disagree with gay marriage as well as the act of homosexuality in all its forms". Get a life bro! You DONT love us, you just have to tolerate us... A@@hole There is a diff

  • deon.roelofse - 2012-08-02 13:58

    It's abnormal, unnatural and sinful to be gay or lesbian. Common sense only affirms what God said about it. The sexual organs of the opposite sexes are made to fit each other. Being in a gay relationship is to try and build a puzzle without matching pieces. The full intended picture will never emerge. Instead of encouraging these people and making laws to protect their sinful lifestyles, we should be helping them to make sense of their feelings and fight this sin with everything they have in them. There are many ex-gays today who managed to get out of the deception that so neatly fits with certain people. The bible is an old book and it calls it a sin, even a crime in the new testament. Who are we to tell God He is wrong? Everyone that teaches or condones what God calls sin, Jesus said Woe onto them. Be careful now.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-08-02 14:45

      Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die." Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." "When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money."—Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV) Slavery , death for adultery ..... we seemed to judge that God got those wrong.

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 15:00

      Well, well! And, who are YOU to tell me that I am abnormal, sinful and my gay relationship is unnatural? HUH? BECAUSE your god said so! Hell dude, we are not all Christians and we certainly do not all believe in supernatural beings just for the sake of believing in something,and because we were born into religion. Also,because we feel the need to be safe. Yes, I agree. Humans of the same sex cannot bare children, BUT SO WHAT?!! Is this our goal? To grow up, work, bare children and then leave this planet! WTF dude! You are very closed-minded hey?! I am sure the heteros out there are doing a pretty good job at procreating! (Look at all the orphans, overpopulation etc.!) Also, what do you mean by, "these people?" HUH? Stereotyping much? As a court reporter I suggest you take a step back boykie, since this may be seen as defamation...So YOU be careful now! Also, did you know the word, "sin" is ONLY used in the book written by men. AND, since I do not believe in a god, I do not believe in sin. I believe, however that sin is a man made concept in order to control!!! BTW you jesus is gay, since he had no children, nor a girlfriend, not even n wife?!?

      phoenix.px.5 - 2012-08-02 15:39

      Yup your magic sky-daddy will be upset hey?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-02 16:48

      Your god is f*cking stupid then, for creating homosexual humans, as well as 1500 other homosexual animal species. He is omniscient and knows all of us before we are created, yet he creates us, just to condemn us to hell. Lol oh gosh its so pathetic its funny

      adriaan.parker - 2012-08-03 06:46

      What gets me is that aliens were allowed to come to earth and get hitched, but two people of the same species not! go figure. Genesis 6

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-03 16:23

      @deon and the other bigots

  • charmaine.pieters.58 - 2012-08-02 14:09

    Elewies, i have not heard of Dan Cathy before now so I cant comment whether he condones stoning naughty virgins, you know that for a fact? That he did comment on any of the issues , that is?

      elewies - 2012-08-02 16:06

      No he doesn't condone it but the Bible condones it. Which is my exact point. Why is he choosing to only apply certain parts of the Bible to his perception of what a marriage must be?

  • dawn.baldwin.94 - 2012-08-02 15:41

    @ Clarissa - The difference, my dear, is that God does not call my heterosexuality sin - it's the way things are meant to be. On the other hand, homosexuality is clearly named as depravity. Again, don't lose sight of the fact, that exposing the sin is not hating the sinner.

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 16:27

      No Dawn, my dear! ONLY YOU who believe in a book, believe in sin, my mate. I do not believe being different ie. LOVEing the same sex is a sin! I embrace it! My family, whom are mostly religious embrace me, my friends do so and so does my our GOVERNMENT. "On the other hand, homosexuality is clearly named as depravity...." by whom? YOUR god and his book! You can't think for yourself, that is the point I am trying to convey... THINK for yourself, and NOT because "SOMEONE or SOMETHING said it apparently a long time ago! Tell me, why are all you religious followers so eager to point fingers at fellow HUMAN BEINGS?? I say live and let live! How can my love towards my wife be wrong? Also, if you argue your creater is also mine, why will he give me freedom of choice? And,then when I have apparently "made"cmy choice, I am now condemned to a long lasting hell?? I dont understand?? I for one will not love or obey a deity who only wants to throw me to the wolves if I do no obey hom? A Communist god, perhaps?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-02 20:42

      @ dawn - If there were actually such a thing as souls, yours would stink.

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-08-02 15:58

    So because I don't support homosexuality, I'm a homophobe who hates gay people ?

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-02 16:27

      No one said that. Live and let live

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-08-02 15:59

    So because I don't support homosexuality, I'm a homophobe who hates gay people ?

  • iYesssss - 2012-08-02 16:01

    Call me a bigot or homophobic then. It is a word made up a few years ago by gays to try and make straight people feel bad for not accepting their sinful ways. I agree with Dan Cathy that he would like to preserve their biblical standard. I am not against gay people, but I won't have their sinful lifestyle forced on me. Call me names if you want to. Soon we will accept child molesters etc, and give people who speak out against them silly names as well.

      bashin.monyela - 2012-08-02 16:15

      Yessssss! True that

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-02 16:51

      If you think homosexuals and child molesters are the same, then i could just as well say that heterosexuals and rapists are the same...

      elewies - 2012-08-02 17:28

      Please explain how gay marriage = accepting child molesters? ANd if you say gays molest boys I would just like to point out straight people molest girls too. So by your logic gay marriage = approval of gays = condoning gays to rape boys? Okay so may I apply that to heterosexual marriage? Heterosexual marriage = approval of heterosexuals = condoning rape of girls by men? Think your arguments through...

      bob.macphearson - 2012-08-02 19:21

      How in the hell does letting gay people marry equate to forcing their lifestyle on you? You have the right not to marry a person of the same sex if you don't want to, why is this so difficult for you to understand? are you not endowed with enough intelligence?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-02 19:54

      @iYesssss - heard of the slippery slope fallacy?

      mbossenger - 2012-08-03 07:45

      On what basis do you equate homosexuality with child molesters?

  • marc.hugo.75 - 2012-08-02 16:16

    Actually Balstrome, not really: anti-this and anti-that is not necessarily bigotry: its only because you think so and the media has told you think that way. On the other hand is bigotry so bad? It depends which way the value leans. One you like and one you don't. To the article here - the problem that Ms Guedes has is a pervasive one; she thinks that unless you're a foaming at the mouth activist, you're a hater. This is often the case with defenders of gays,homophobes and so forth (and lets face it, they often have to be defended, so I'm all for it). However, if a person, like this fried chicken seller in the States says he is pro-family, he might merely be ambivalent about same sex couples. Then it's not hatred. Indifference and dispassion is not hatred. Try to get that through the liberal lobbys bigotted minds. Just try. You might as well talk to the cat. They only believe in free speech and freedom of opinion if that opinion is the same as theirs. Otherwise, you're a bigot.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-08-02 17:00

      "They only believe in free speech and freedom of opinion if that opinion is the same as theirs". Classic and true.

  • rodney.currie.79 - 2012-08-02 16:48

    iIts all a matter of choice . Why should the ceo of Chick.fil.A have to change his way of thinking about gay marriage. If you are gay and dont agree with him, just dont support his franchise . I really dont think they will notice much of a drop in sales anyway.

  • marius.koen2 - 2012-08-02 16:56

    Nowhere in the Bible does it stand that we must condemn gay people. It does however deliberateness say not to judge people. The Bible says that God disapproves of the act, but He does not give us the right to do anything about it and nowhere is it written for us to go and do so. It's between the person and God alone. He didn't give us the right at all to go and judge people.

      Wendy - 2012-08-02 17:37

      Actually, we are COMMANDED to judge righteously, ie to distinguish between right and wrong, not to judge by appearances, etc. What we are not to do is to judge hypocritically - the context of the usual "judge not" verse so frequently quoted.

  • nom.deplume.969 - 2012-08-02 17:06

    I for one hope that his sales skyrocket...BIG UP to the man for standing up to his convictions. Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural. And to pre-empt YOUR politically correct, liberal leftist,biased and bigoted comments...NO!!! I dont hate the person, but I abhor the behaviour. The origins of AIDS is enough proof to convince any rational person that homosexuality (there's nothing "gay" about it) is completely unnatural...mxm. Nogals, "I was born that way"...please man...if AIDS was natural, then I might buy that poorly thought out argument. If there were no women then I'd definitely buy that argument. The natural order of things is one man and one woman, finished and klaar...because everything works in harmonious glory - just like God planned it :)

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-02 23:19

      And if there were no god, you'd still be an angry, hatred-filled bigot.

      mbossenger - 2012-08-03 07:47

      How can it be unnatural if it occurs in nature?

      adriaan.parker - 2012-08-03 08:38

      nom deplume, do you have proof that AIDS is linked to homosexuality? is straight people immune to AIDS. You are smoking strong stuff that is not good for you!

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 11:18

      Can you guys please learn the difference between HIV and Aids. Aids is a collections of opportunistic diseases or illnesses that infects the body after HIV has broken down the immune system.

  • nom.deplume.969 - 2012-08-02 17:25

    And by the way, Ms. Guedes, the fundamental flaw in your diatribe laced ever so slightly with subtle hatred (and inherently you know this to be true), is that the standard you chose to define what love is about is really subjective and therefore irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Only One can set a standard for what love is...every other opinion outside of this standard is based on selfishness, rather than selflessness...end

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-02 23:31

      Yes of course the one chance God took to actually choose the Top 10 most important things he wants to lay down for us as a source of objective morality, and write them down himself nogal because they're soooooo important, and it includes not one stitch against the practice of slavery. How's that for objective? Pretty subjective for the era, I'd say. Wouldn't you? Do we both agree that the practice of slavery is without a doubt morally abhorrent? I'd like to think we do. Unless you're going to try to rationalize it......don't even go there. Your source of objective morality got both love and slavery wrong, or at least it didn't quite get the love part right.

      nom.deplume.969 - 2012-08-03 09:50

      @ speak about the 10 commandments like someone who actually took the time to findout what it means, but you statements just expose your ignorance and conformist mindset. The 10 commandments teaches 2 God first and then love your neighbour as yourself. The Bible does not sanction slavery in the context that you are trying to squeeze out, while using deflection to change the topic...tsk, tsk tsk...but let me indulge you...Do you have a domestic helper or gardener? Does that make you a slave owner? or are you helping someone financially, who helps you keep your house clean?. You should research what slavery means, in the context of Scripture before you immaturely post things about which you have no understanding. Think carefully about what you want to say, next time :)

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-03 11:38

      @ Nom.deplume.969 - You cannot reasonably compare the employment of a person for whom we are morally and legally obliged to pay a salary governed by rules & regulations, and UIF etc to the practice of slavery. The employment of a domestic worker is an employee/employer relationship. You cannot expect anyone to believe slaves enjoyed such rights, unless you are wilfully ignorant of anything which calls the bible to question. You clearly don't understand the concept of fallacious reasoning, do you? Use of this patently false analogy renders your argument woefully invalid. Try again. Who is the one who needs to think before they write? Possibly not me.

  • psalm.proverb.3 - 2012-08-02 17:42

    Actually, Chick-Fil-A is likely to make a killing in profits from this. And GOOD for them for standing up against the homosexual agenda. Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day was a raving success - lines stretching outside many outlets and sometimes even circling several blocks (according the US news reports). These were scenes from all across USA. Some joined because they support Christians values, other (being neutral) joined to support Dan Cathy's right to freedom of speech. It is also the height of hypocrisy from the bigoted liberals that bigoted, anti-Christian, liberal politicians threatened to keep Chick-Fil-A out of their cities. Hence, these homophile, bigoted, anti-Christians seek to silence opposing views and ABUSE city ordinances to illegally punish those who call homosexuality a sin. The Chick-Fil-A saga has began to convince some of liberal bigotry and homosexual hatred for Christians (the very people who looooove to call Christians "bigots, haters"). So, honestly, Georgina Guedes and her liberal ilk are best placed to talk about "hate", as they seem to embody it so well, while implying those who disagree with them "hate".

  • Wendy - 2012-08-02 17:43

    Georgina, when looking at hatred, just look seriously at who is indulging in it. The Christians are merely stating what they believe. Sheer, unadulterated hatred is, however, more than evident in Wesley Bischoff's posts!

      mbossenger - 2012-08-03 07:48

      And given the christian's condemnation of homosexuality, is this any surprise?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:08

      Lol no not hatred. Just irritation that people like you exist in this world, who think you have the right to say what people should and shouldn't be like, how they should behave, and how judging is a normal part of your day. The only people i hate are those that abuse women and children, and treat animals bad. Morons like you just irritate. Don't get a big head now.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:12

      And btw, a hectic xtian dude took me in a head lock and punched me back in 2007. I don't hate him, i don't even know his name. So wendy, don't make assumptions.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 11:20

      @Wesley, you're sure it wasn't Charles Dumbwin?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 11:28

      Maybe, who knows??? He ran away after planting the punch.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 12:33

      If the guy were chuckling in a high irritating way and running like a hobbit, it was probably Charles.

  • joanne.fairbrother - 2012-08-02 17:59

    As usual I am completely shocked at the horrible (and simply immature) things some people here are saying. I would have thought that I would have hardened up to all the hate speech by now... but sorry I just can't get used to it. It's these attitudes towards homosexual people that are a direct cause of the violence in our community, especially towards lesbian women in the townships. Shame on all of you!!!

  • craig.scheepers.1 - 2012-08-02 20:14

    What is wrong with the hate??? if its something tastes disgusting, you spit it out! yes gay marriage etc. is disgusting! Man, you shoulda been here. Chick-fil-A Rocks! Finally someone stands up against this sick pro-gay mentality of our disgusting "new" world. No morals, no ethics. No wonder this world has gone to hell in a hand-basket. What is wrong with being a biogot??? You make it sound as if its a bad thing to be? Yeah, only to you liberals, excuse me I feel the bile rising.

      mbossenger - 2012-08-03 07:49

      How is being gay immoral or unethical?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:13

      Yes i would like to know too. What makes homosexuals less moral and ethical?

  • jacob.donaldson.37 - 2012-08-02 21:43

    Please don't feed the trolls }:D

  • robert.laas.9 - 2012-08-02 21:53

    If gay marriage is so right, then why does the idea constantly have to be forced onto people. I thought homos didn't care what people think and they have true love? So why defend them if they don't care? I would love to know what's next, maybe inter species marriage. All a fat joke, nobody really cares.

      adriaan.parker - 2012-08-03 08:43

      Inter species marriage is allowed Genesis 6, go check it out boet! you need some more bible study time, go on get on with it

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:14

      lol face-palm

  • jacob.donaldson.37 - 2012-08-02 22:29

    This really opened my eyes ...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:16

      Lol good one

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-03 22:40

      O. M. G. , so it is true. AAAAAAAAAAARGH, it's happening to meeee. They made me gaaaayy!!!!!!

  • ianingwe - 2012-08-02 22:31

    The bible mentions various different forms of marriage. Now i wonder which are being supported? Man with multiple wives, with concubines, with one wife and concubines or maybe just with one wife, I forgot the slaves he could keep as bed partners! All of these are mentioned in the bible so must be acceptable so which family values are being supported?

      Wendy - 2012-08-03 16:55

      The Bible also mentions murder, rape, lying, theft, etc. Does that mean they are also supportive of family values?

  • walter.lebza - 2012-08-02 23:35

    Whats so good about two muscular bearded men humping one another? Sex is not is not a hobby or sport. its main purpose is for making babies. Thats what God intended it for. Remember sodom and gommorah.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-03 10:39

      So every time you have sex you do it with the intent of impregnating a woman? There are many animal species that have sex for pleasure (eg. humans, dolphins, porpoises etc)

  • hanri.els - 2012-08-03 06:12

    Georgina Guedes, you've derived more from Dan's statement than was said, with the purpose of promoting a topic which is sensitive, knowing that your aticle will promote emotional debate and hate. Well done, mission accomplished, in satirical fashion.

  • barkermaenator - 2012-08-03 06:48

    Is anyone really interested in what Georgina Guedes thinks? Who is she anyway?

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-08-03 07:06

    What I find amazing about liberals it that they are so quick to point out haters………but just have a different opinion to a liberal and see how they tar & feather you. You guys are funny.

  • lodewyk.fred - 2012-08-03 07:42

    Why is "disapprove" seen as hate? Is there not a difference?

  • Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-03 08:19

    An interesting read for some of the haters. Hope this helps you on your journey of self-discovery. Remember, there's no shame in what some of you may be grappling with on the inside.

  • nom.deplume.969 - 2012-08-03 09:59

    I've come to the conclusion that people (and this includes nominal Christians who would rather conform to the world, than be transformed by the renewing of their minds) who are intolerant of Christians who stand for Biblical beliefs are in fact the true haters. And any of you haters are welcome to disprove this fact. You hate the fact that there are Christians in the world and if you could line us all up and kill us, you would...but dont worry...your chance is coming...:)

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-08-03 11:47

      So, nom.depplume.969 - As a biblical believer etc do you believe the rape victim is obliged to marry her rapist? Do you believe that homosexuals should be put to death? I mean, your Bible states that this should be done, and to choose not to do enact the punishment is as much a sin as the sinful act itself. I urge you to read some higher criticisms of the Bible, by the likes of Robert M Price, or John Loftus etc. Both former christian theologians who 'saw the light'

      QuestioningFaith - 2012-08-04 14:05

      Actually no, we wouldn't. We don't harbour your kind of hatred towards you.

  • eric.martinsich - 2012-08-03 10:41

    Man alive. Why should people continually pump the news full of their sexual orientation (I AM GAY)(I have come out). Secondly if I say that i am not gay why is that a problem for those that are "gay". The reason why I married a person of the opposite sex is that I do not believe in marrying someone of the same sex. Is that now anti gay? NO! Then lets come to the word Husband and wife which means man and woman married. What is it that is now wanted? Husband and husband meaning man and man married!! If they now adopt do they now teach the child that DADDIES ARE HOME? I say live your life without continually promoting your orientations. My views is my right to say it under the constitution of this country as long as I am not derogatory towards anyone. A proud heterosexual

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-08-03 14:03

    Gotto laugh at how the self righteous religiously pious freaks talk about "love" yet they can't tolerate gays. Bunch of hypocrites! I hope every homophobic Xtian has a gay child - it would make my day to see them suffer the consequences of their own ignorance, intolerance and bigotry.

  • james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-03 16:36

    In case anyone missed the link showing what would Jesus do, here it is.

  • lerato.phoko.9 - 2012-08-03 20:50

    And remember a child is listening, how many people have to die until us christians let this issue go, if our salvation is dependent on our sexuality then I'm afraid haven is going to be a very empty place

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-04 10:25

    Its accualy very simple don't judge its in the Bible right

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-04 11:59

    Tell me even one person on this planet,who was born biologically from the SAME SEX COUPLE. If there is no even one then GAY THING is the right,choice,love or marriage for the MANIACS only.Am christian who respect this word called LOVE but honestly Iam HOMOPHOBIC.Ilove them but extremly detest their so called THIRD GENDER CHOICE.

  • tommie.strydom - 2012-08-04 12:47

    Could not aggree more with the author. If two people love each other let them marry. Before you say that will redefine marriage. We have already redefined marriage when we no longer pre determine our children's partners or sell our daughters for a few goats and sheep. We accept divorce as a part of life.

  • pisciotta - 2012-08-04 13:31

    Speaking of things of the heart. One Classic Chick-Fil-A Chicken Sandwish contains >1400mg of Sodium. A "heart healthy" diet limits one to a mere 2000mg @ day. That means eating at Chick-Fil-A could do more harm to your heart than breaking up a relationship.

  • walter.lebza - 2012-08-04 23:50

    Biologically: Gay is a mental disease that is caused by high concetration of female hormones in the brain via the medulla oblongata. The symtomps are: the patient will be attracted to men, and even go to the extent of trying/use his chocolate box as a receiving part even though it was not naturally designed for that. The patient will try so hard to act like a woman and some will go to the extent of wearing female clothing and lipstick. Even though the symptoms are severe sometimes patients will expect other people to take them siriously. Currently there is no cure for this mental sickness but It can be relieved by sjamboking or ignoring the person infected. When a woman is infected by this sickness we call it lesbianiae. Lesbianiae is a latin word for comfused. This one can simply be relieved by when a man sleeps with the patient in one bed, then the patient will later realise she is a woman.

      joanne.fairbrother - 2012-08-06 13:37

      You're kidding right?

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-06 15:33


      crazyjourno - 2012-08-06 15:42

      "South Africa is the only nation on the African continent to offer equal rights and same sex marriage to gay men and lesbians. Unfortunately, as reported before, the freedoms are not trickling down to the townships. New reports suggest violence toward black gay men has risen dramatically: The research project by the Joint Working Group—a collaboration of influential South African lesbian and gay organisations—with the Unisa Centre for Applied Psychology shows rape and sexual abuse of [black] gay men is increasing, while HIV prevalence among black lesbians is shockingly high. Black gay men experience high levels of rape and sexual abuse. Some 10 percent of black gays say they have been assaulted or hurt in this way, with 64 percent saying they fear attack. About five percent of white gay men claim actual sexual assault, but their rate of concern is at 34 percent. These are the results of a regional study but researchers believe similar results trend across the country. One activist says homophobic violence in South Africa is "way out of line" in terms of international findings." I take it you might be one of those abusers??

  • sour.grapes.10 - 2012-08-05 13:08

    I think homosexuality is a disability and this people should be treated as such 'disabled'. Hopefully doctors will be able to neutralize this genetical disorder while the child is still a foetus.

  • stefan.vanderwesthuizen.167 - 2012-08-05 23:36

    Nothanx bro, you're more likely to get my plate of hate thhrown into you face.

      crazyjourno - 2012-08-06 15:45

      Jou konserwatiewe geindoktrineerde twit

  • Dagbekruiper - 2012-08-07 18:36

    @dawn.baldwin: Its your choice also to take that bite of shrimp, but in your heart you know that you are condemd, the same fate waits for you are a gay persone; according to the bible. Also your kids, when they are disobedient, tie them down with rope, please pick up the largest rock you can find and and kill them. When you have done so, then i will unull my marriage and be straight.

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