White first. African second

2011-09-26 07:59

Adriaan Basson

Open letter to AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel

If one will always have to feel white first, and African second, it would be better not to stay on in Africa. It would not be worth it for this. – Nadine Gordimer

Dear Kallie,

Like you, I am a white Afrikaner who lives in Africa. I was glad to read in last week’s City Press that you identify yourself as “an African with a light complexion”.

I do too. I suspect, however, that we have vastly different interpretations of what it means to be an African Afrikaner in South Africa and on the position of Afrikaners in 2011.

You see yourself firstly as part of a minority group whose constitutional and human rights are being disregarded by the ANC. The premise of AfriForum’s campaigns is one of victimhood.

You regard the Afrikaners as a group under threat, a people whose basic rights to expression, association and movement are constantly being undermined by the black majority.

You want to struggle – in the courts, on the streets and in the legislature.This is a dangerous game, Kallie. You are not stupid, I know that.

So why are you refusing to present to your supporters a fairer, more balanced picture of your people’s position in South Africa today?

Is something more sinister at play? Is scaring people a more profitable tactic for AfriForum?

You know as well as I do that the Afrikaner’s cultural, religious and linguistic identity is not under threat. When I visit the Potchefstroom or Oudtshoorn arts festivals, I don’t see people who are suppressed.

In fact, they look happier to me than they were in 1994.

Have you heard of Afrikaner author Deon Meyer’s phenomenal success? We write what we like, Kallie.

You referred to the right-wing publication Die Afrikaner in your interview with us. Would an oppressive regime, hellbent on suppressing its minorities, allow such a publication to appear?

I think not.

You (and Judge Colin Lamont) use the very narrow definition of numeracy to define minorities. Yes, numberwise the Afrikaner is a minority group.

But even the United Nations, whose Minorities Declaration of 1992 is repeated almost verbatim on AfriForum’s website, recognises numbers can never be the only determining factor when defining minorities.

The UN published a report titled “Minorities under international law” in which it specifically (and ironically) quoted the South African example: “In most instances, a minority group will be a numerical minority, but in others, a numerical majority may also find itself in a minority-like or non-dominant position, such as blacks under the apartheid regime in South Africa.”

Who knows why the ANC’s legal team didn’t make this point in the case you brought against them. I’m sure AfriForum would agree that poor black South Africans are in an even less dominant position than middle-class Afrikaners from Pretoria.Which brings me to crime.

Why does AfriForum focus largely on crime against whites when you know black, poor people are by far the most vulnerable members of society when it comes to violent crime?

I see your old foe, the Transvaal Agricultural Union, admitted last week that farm murders were down by almost 50% in the last financial year.*

I didn’t see a press statement from them or AfriForum on this.Isn’t there also a responsibility on a civil rights group to inform its members when things improve?

Isn’t there a risk we’ll have more Johan Nels – the young killer from Swartruggens who believed blacks were actively targeting whites in some form of genocide, and murdered four black people out of blind rage – if organisations like yours don’t inform and educate your supporters about what’s really going on?

Or is there some reason you don’t?

If they are a minority, then Afrikaners must be one of the most powerful, wealthy and diverse minorities on the planet.

Remember apartheid? The system that benefited your and my forbears to such an extent that we are still better off today than our black peers?

Have you had a look at the Sunday Times’ most recent Rich List published two weeks ago?

 If you did, you would have seen that four Afrikaners – Christo Wiese (Shoprite), Laurie Dippenaar (FirstRand), Johann Rupert (Rembrandt) and GT Ferreira (RMB) – are included in the country’s top 10 richest people.And did you see who the top two earners were for 2010?

Shoprite CEO Whitey Basson (who earned R627 million) and BHP Billiton boss Marius Kloppers (R77 million) – two Afrikaners.

Did you discuss this with the members of AfriForum?

Surely it is not possible for people from a minority group who are suppressed to do business in their country of birth?

And have you asked Wiese, Dippenaar, Rupert and Ferreira whether they regard themselves as minorities? Have they addressed AfriForum’s membership on becoming a billionaire minority?

It doesn’t seem so when I look at your website.

I only see campaigns against Julius Malema, taxi drivers and Judge Nkola Motata (to your credit, you did commission a legal opinion on the Protection of Information Bill).

Did you see Stats SA’s latest Quarterly Labour Force Survey for 2011?

Did AfriForum tell its supporters that the year-on-year unemployment rate of white people was the only population group to have decreased?

Did you explain to them that 30% of adult blacks (four million people) are jobless, compared with 5% (105 000 people) of whites?

If not, why not?

I suppose you have to emphasise the “threats” to get your supporters to donate to your “Stop Malema” campaign.

This is speculation, but I’m guessing that AfriForum has close to zero legitimacy today for black South Africans (and thousands of whites).

I am not saying you shouldn’t have taken the Dubula ibhunu case to court, but I’m questioning why you decided to pick that case and insisted on a judgment, even when Lamont was trying his best to push for a settlement.

Even your own “Civil Rights Manifest” argues in favour of settlements.I am deeply concerned about the effect AfriForum’s actions are having on our society and this is why I’m writing this letter to you.

Your actions are having a polarising effect and you need to do serious introspection if you want to be respected as a civil rights group.

Otherwise, you risk being a racist lobby group. Is there any reason AfriForum has no black employees (according to your website) and, I assume, no black members?

Have you considered joining forces with other rights groups like Abahlali baseMjondolo, the South African shackdwellers’ movement?

Or even the Landless People’s Movement?

Or do you really only want to represent the rights of (a small group of) Afrikaners, even though your “Civil Rights Manifest” commits you to benefiting “all the citizens of South Africa”?

Do you always have to feel white first, and African second?

Best wishes,
Adriaan Basson

Adriaan Basson is the deputy editor of City Press. Follow on him Twitter: @AdriaanBasson.

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* Originally in the printed version in City Press this was published as a 100% decrease. The correct figure is 50%. News24 apologises for any inconvenience caused.

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  • werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 08:14

    Who is this Adriaan Basson and why is he craving attention? TL;DR.

      Philip Joubert - 2011-09-26 08:54

      He has a valid point and is an editor at City Press. Read at the bottom. Who is this werner.smidt and what is wrong with what is being said here?

      Makgowaaraci - 2011-09-26 08:59

      @werner.smidt don't be racist and defensive engage Mr. Basson on the issues that he has raised, at least we still have sober minded in individuals within the so called"minority groups"

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 09:02

      I'm not being racist. I just doubt his sincerity. @Philip. I just wrote a comment, not a whole open letter.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 09:05

      absolute_phil....just about sums it up, doesn't it?

      Gk - 2011-09-26 09:11

      Who is this Phillip Joubert guy!

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 09:12

      Oh . . and Phil . . since you're so clued up on matters, can you think of a reason how it would be beneficial for an editor City Press to publish something like this? I can think of a few.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:26

      Rarely seen such an idiot and liar. The TLU didn't admit anything. And farm attacks aren't down. Government just stopped counting.

      mario - 2011-09-26 10:31

      If I say kill the goat, to a multitude of people, from a stage, to the people that consists of members that are jobless, impoverished, and uneducated, whom also probably never heard of a metaphor or understands the concept thereof. I'm sure a few will take the literal Route and actually go kill goats as their leader said they can. Words have a lot of power, and it is not being respected, so I'm glad that their is somebody standing up or my interest, thank you Afriforum for speaking up and giving us faith in democracy, and to Colin Lamont for banning the song, not from history, just from preforming it to the masses. Colin Lamont also stated that this is the time to write new songs and celebrate our still new democracy Why doesn't Mr Basson harp on the ANC about this, yes there I said it what is good for the goose Afri Forum, DA is good for the Gander the Anc, AncYL. And please tel Mr Basson that he is the victim here, he has been brainwashed by an idyllic rainbow nation picture, Mr Basson it is never right for one person, religeon or race to step on another on their way up, what do you want Mr Basson that the Afrikaner should just give up and let people walker over them. And please Mr Basson do not to quote Nadine Gordimer, when you are marginalising people and insulting your heritage, do u really think Afriforum would exist without their members that have the same views and beliefs! Or should everybody just turn the other cheek and get another swift backhander from the ANC

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 10:36

      @WERNER.SMIDT He is an Afrikaaner expressing his view and in fact laying out a cogent argument...does that make him any less legitimate Afrikaaner than you?

      Green Tea - 2011-09-26 10:39

      Congrats GK. The old straw man argument, a classic. Take a persons position, extend the parameters of his argument to the point that they are logically flawed and presto, their wrong! Which means your right. Right? Or more likely that you are just a closed minded fool who cannot accept anyone having a differing opinion.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:53

      I really don't care what race I am. . .I really don't. So I don't see him as some kind of "betrayer" or whatever. .I just see him as insincere.

      Looking@SA - 2011-09-26 11:33

      @author; Am an outsider looking, albeit looking in with great interest as I have fairly strong ties to SA. Don't know all that Afriforum stands for but do know this. Nationalization has never solved any poverty, economic, or employment issues, it has only made many poorer. Great examples would be both Russia and China. When they moved away from government owned businesses to a more free market system there was a huge growth of the middle class. Vast numbers of people came out of poverty and now have home, drive cars, and interestingly in China eat beef which is why the price has gone through the roof in the USA we are exporting to a nation that didn't used to eat meat. It seems to me the goal of Mr. Malema is only to take wealth from those who have and give it to the poor. This idea makes for an interesting read or a good movie (its been made so many times so it must be good) but Robin Hood isn't a long term economic plan. But one thing this "nationalization" won't do is create jobs then I, as an outsider, have to ask why. What is the end game here. What does Mr. Malema and those who support nationalization and taking land without compensation really want? Even now with all of the economic uncertainty DFI (direct foreign investment)in SA is dropping dramatically. In the US businesses are sitting on R10 trillion (yes trillion) because they are uncertain as to what the government is going to do with regards to regulation and taxation. Next post

      Looking@SA - 2011-09-26 11:43

      @author continued. Can't imagine what they must think with regards to investing in a nation where a major political figure constantly talks about taking businesses and land from those who have it. And the government and, it seems, the nation as a whole, are consumed with wondering whether or not singing about shooting the white farmer is offensive speech? As a whole I think businesses in the west will keep their money in their savings accounts that ear 1/4% interest rather than invest it in SA. The struggle is over, move on. Yes there are still things to be worked out. Names that are offensive to the former victims of apartheid need to be changed. But the ANC won. Now its time to govern and not squabble like children. Regardless of whether it was part of the struggle leave the songs about killing the boer and bring my machine gun behind. Forget your own people for a moment and think about the outsider, it makes us nervous. We are nervous about investing and about the prospect of what was an emerging nation that was on the cusp of becoming a world class nation descending into the abyss that is Zimbabwe. We are nervous about a president of such a nation continue to sing about his machine gun ( and it bothers us that his promiscuity in the land of aides doesn't bother his constituency) and a future president sings about killing the boer. And we are even starting to get nervous about visiting your beautiful country. You should get nervous about that 10% of the ecomy

      Looking@SA - 2011-09-26 12:32

      @Larci, ah but they do. You see the business of government is business. Well not entirely, but to a large extent. The business of the SA government should be to build the economy thus driving down unemployment and thus reducing the tension and strife in the informal settlements and moving people out of shacks and into homes. A healthy economy drives away a host of problems. Just ask the first George Bush after Bill Clinton said;"its the economy stupid." And then he moved into George's house. Ask Obama who is struggling to win a second term in office because the economy in the US is in the toilet. It really is the economy. If unemployment among blacks under 30 was say 15% or maybe 10% do you really think that Mr. Malema would be singing his song? If new businesses were being created by both whites and blacks do you think he would be talking about nationalization? He and your president engage in the rhetoric that they do because they need to deflect the conversation away from what they aren't doing. And all the while they are deflecting with their rhetoric about "struggle songs" and the new "economic struggle" and how they need to take from those who have rather than create new jobs, industries, and farms they make the tourist and foreign investor nervous. If you had a strong growing economy I doubt that you would be having this debate. In fact if unemployment was the same with whites and blacks then I think you would have the Rainbow Nation Mr. Mandela promised

      Capensis - 2011-09-26 13:08

      err Mr Basson - you may be literate but you sure aren't numerate. Farm murders down 100% - that would make them zero. What no farm muders at all. (Surely not - Ed!). I fro one, an English background South African, am very glad that Afriforum are fighting their corner... the old truism goes that for evil to triumph all it takes is for good men to do nothing... Afriforum amongst others seek to hold this corrupt and venal government to the standards of the constitution that they swore to uphold. Sorry if thats too much for some lefties to bear! :-)

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-26 13:33

      @werner.smidt, you behave like a high way bandit. You are intrigued that Adriaan Basson has finally exposed Afriforum. I think this afriforum should be banned in this country. In this century there is no place for an organisation that has exclusively white members and white employees. If I decide to start a BlackSouthAfrican forum Afriforum will take me to court, Ironically no black south african has taken them to court for being an organisation whith only white members. What a shame!!!

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 14:33

      Er ... gspot There is already: Black Editors Forum Black Managment Forum BEE/BBEEE/BEEEE/etc Black Gun Ownder's Association I think a "BlackSouthAfrican forum" would go unnoticed and unchallenged.

      Bokbaard - 2011-09-26 14:36

      "This Adriaan Basson" and his colleague Piet Rampedi were the guys who first exposed Julius Malema's trust fund. Remember way back (2005) when there was this rumour about a charge of rape against Jacob Zuma - the ANC for days didn't confirm or denied this - but "this Adriaan Basson" managed to verify the complaint for the world to see - became the start of Zuma rape trial. Between 2005 and 2011 "this Adriaan Basson" has done more than most to expose secrets and corruption in this country. Open google and learn more for yourself - you are in many ways the beneficiary of what "this Adriaan Basson" has achieved in his career.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-26 14:53

      - Strange though that he would attack AfriForum, whose objection to the song is very much in his favour and which song is directed at him also. There is a constant wave of liberal apologists, notably from the Afrikaaners, that has me baffled. Hidden agenda's or plain sell out's ?

      Richie - 2011-09-26 15:24

      They question is, why is every black run country / person worse off from here to Nigeria???

      Richie - 2011-09-26 15:32

      I guess they are all victims? or maybe it’s just bad luck? I don’t know… i am not losing sleep, or feeling the least bit guilty for giving them the best infrastructure in Africa. Half of Africa is here helping me park my kar… couldn’t have been all bad?

      Manyoza - 2011-09-26 16:23

      Looking@SA I appreciate your opinion - please do not stop, or be put off by rudeness and bad manners. Khoisan X - intelligent comments, thanks.

      Spyker May - 2011-09-26 16:28

      I can safely say the leading article is most unmitigated trash I have EVER read – it even surpassed the rubbish uttered by people like Khaya Dlanga. The notion that summarises the freak who wrote the leading article, is, SELF SERVING DENIAL. The kind of traitor that is more lethal than the most venomous foe. How many recall a person by the name of Chris Louw..? He committed suicide in Dec 2009. CL was part a group of ‘enlightened’ white SAcans who ‘negotiated’ with the (then banned) ANC, in Senegal, in 1987. In the end he took his own life as he came to face manic monster that deceived him – viz the malevolent fascist regime that is now ruling SA. How many recall a person by the name of Piet Retief..? He was slaughtered to death in a way so heinous, his people could not even record the detail, so they used ‘digestible’ euphemisms (is it not interesting that no such word exits in indigenous African languages). But before PR was murdered he had to watch his 13 year old son suffering the fate that was intended for him – ie being impaled while alive. Not only that, he was made to watch the same being done to the entire group of people that was with him (at the time). PR was one of the most enlightened white people of his time. He went forth to ‘negotiate’ with Dingane. cont. below..,

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 17:15

      @bokbaard Ironically, the only organisation I've benefit from, is the ANC. The only thing people like him bring to light are stories that send us further into unstable waters. Since you're so informed (please don't tell me to Google something) why is he craving attention? Did Afriforum attack him or did he do this, shall we say, proactively? "Die manteldraaier maak vriende al in die rondte, totdat hy op die end al in die rondte vyande het." -- C.J. Langenhoven

      Niekie - 2011-09-26 17:37

      Makgowaaraci, shocking! So you say that if someone disagrees with basson, that automatically makes them a racist? You sound like that malema dude who loses a court case and then immediately the judge becomes a racist with a hidden agenda. Your thinking shows me that YOU are in fact the racist my friend. Or are you going to say blacks can't be racist?

      st14338637 - 2011-09-27 08:04

      As long as there are things such as black pride movements, BEE, AA, and corruption - then there should be Afriforum, Afriforum come across as trying to get the best deal for the whites, but actually they want to get equal rights and protect a culture which is under fire.

      E_O - 2011-09-27 09:38

      @Spyker May and all those that agree with him. Seriously, why don't you just leave??? Go and live somewhere with less people to hate. Surely spewing such vitriol must get tiring at some point? Or do you actually enjoy it??

      Armchair critic - 2011-09-27 12:25

      @ Spyker... if you did any more research, you would have discovered that Dingaan ordered his impis to kill the "toor dokter". There were much more to these people than meets the eye. The saddest thing is that they performed under the banner of Christianity. It could have been so much different, if only they lived up to this banner of Christianity.

      Boeretroos - 2011-09-27 13:04

      Adriaan you speak from a position of extreme advantage, for some reason you dont seem to be much affected by the plight of your fellow afrikaners in oppression in this land ? May I ask dear editor - have you ever visited a white squatter camp and tried to make a difference - or do you just write about it ? Of course you will always be white first - as it is the foundation of your being everything else normally follows - Person -God - Country. At least Kallie and his organization are trying to make a difference by alleviating hardship where they seem fit - but you - like the ay en see - seem to think you can accomplish things by looking down and negatively commenting on the downtrodden and following your bosses orders in your editors joppie ? You should show a bit more restraint and lots more respect for your own kind sir - or is your afrikanership only skin deep - what lies beneath your own color - We wonder ?

      John Right - 2011-09-27 15:43

      Adriaan dankie... Ek het nou lekker gelag. 1. But even the United Nations, whose Minorities Declaration of 1992 is repeated almost verbatim on AfriForum’s website, recognises numbers can never be the only determining factor when defining minorities. --- Funny how puts SA on preparation. That's from the UN but clearly you didn't know this. 2. Did you explain to them that 30% of adult blacks (four million people) are jobless, compared with 5% (105 000 people) of whites? --- Ye I dont see to many whites toytoying in the street burning tyres and breaking everything they find in their path even though they don't understand why they are there. The whites actually want to work for their money and isn't staying home with 14 children waiting for handouts. But I hear what your saying 3. African shackdwellers’ movement? ---Waiting for handouts? 4. Landless People’s Movement? ---More waiting for handouts? Listen Adriaan I also dont own any land and im a White Boer if you want to call me that. Just curious but the top 10 you mentioned only 4 .... So the other 6 on the top 10 is ? Chinese? Indian? ... oh no ... their Black and if you look at them they get their MASSIVE salaries from Tax and not a thriving business and oh hell thow your arms in the air and fall to the ground how rasist that is for someone to have worked hard to be in that position and be placed there by BBBEE that yet again gave free handouts to undeserving uneducated and unskilled people.

      Fractious - 2011-09-27 18:35

      Racist laws keep reminding me that I am white and relegate me to a second-class citizen. And yet when I identify myself as white in defence of my liberty, I am told that I am racist. I am told that I must not celebrate who I am, but only be punished for it. And then when I begin to view myself as separate and different because I am continually reminded of it, I have dishonest, sanctimonious twats like Basson condemning me for such feelings.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-27 20:42

      Why does AfriForum focus largely on crime against whites when you know black, poor people are by far the most vulnerable members of society when it comes to violent crime? Blacks also commit 5.77 times more crime - see prison demographics. Did you explain to them that 30% of adult blacks (four million people) are jobless, compared with 5% (105 000 people) of whites? See average IQ scores, 72 points for blacks and 92 for whites. Whites tend to be better educated, have more experience, better work ethic and therefore they are employed. White South Africans are listed on , personally have the last 3 racist attacks by black people I left the country for good. In part also due to discrimination at work, the tax burden and the constant blame put on whites whilst South Africa is the most developed nation in all of Africa and blacks had the highest standard of living in all of Africa. Compare indicators like life expectancy, infant mortality, gini coefficient, HDI then and now and there you go. If since 1994 our standard of living has not improved, what do you expect to happen to the country when history shows all African countries will have famine and civil war?

  • Jack Spratt - 2011-09-26 08:18

    Have you seen the white Afrikaner squatter camps Adriaan? I wonder why you don't mention them in this article. Do you have an agenda you are pushing my friend?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 08:24

      do you really want to get into that arguement. have you seen the millions of blacks in squatter camps? you do know that the evil ANC gov gave white people houses too?

      Gk - 2011-09-26 09:56

      White people are in squatter camps because of BEE,black people are in squatter camps for the following reasons:Lack of skills,blaming apartheid for their incompetence,having more babies then they can afford,no education or lack therof because there is no willingness to improve.There are white engineers in squatter camps,I still want to see a black engineer in a squatter camp today.White people and black people are both suffering and are staying in squatter camps,but unfortunately it is for different reasons!

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:02

      @Mags_24.There are only 3 million whites left in South-Africa,the rest has either been murdered or has immigrated,there is 600 000 whites in squatter camps out of a population of 3 million.That percentage are very high for whites.There are more than 40 million blacks in South-Africa,off course there will be more blacks in squatter camps then whites,but if you look ate the total population of the two groups,white peoples unemployment are extremely high.So the argument of blacks suffering more is a lie.But oof-course this is too difficult for you to understand!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:27

      He has an agenda or is completely blind for the reality. Guess himself being in a priviledge position plays a role as well.

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 10:44

      @JACK SPRATT Does the fact that there are Afrikaner squater camps make Afrikaners a community under threat? That logic fails me.

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 10:47

      @Gk 600,000 whites in squatter camps...are you sure about your numbers? Or is this yet more scaremongering?

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 10:51

      @Gk An engineer in a squatter camp is there out of freewill PERIOD! Not that this is an exercise is racial numbers but the unemployment rate is 30% amongst blacks and 5% amongst whites... As for your comment about black's being in squatter camps, the less said the better.

      bizos - 2011-09-26 11:25

      @Jack give the percenatge of white squatter camps,what are you saying, is ok to have black and other squatter camps,but not white:..huh

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:43

      Back people cannot blame white people for their suffering.Black people also suffer aswell does white people.That is a fact!But here comes the difference,white people usually do not have kids unless they can afford it,white people usually do not have more than 4 kids.(zuma is a good example,with 21 kids).Then there is BEE,where the goverment takes work away from whites (this is racist and unacceptable)Then they use apartheid as an excuse to justify this.@Khoisan,if you say an engineer in a squatter camp is there out of free will then what do you call BEE.(free will resignation of whites so that blacks can take their work).Black poverty is not apartheids fault but rather the fault of the current goverment and BEE millionares miss-spending the riches of this country for their own benefit while they can instead spend it on the poor. - 2011-09-26 13:25

      Also kind of wondering what sort of agenda Adriaan is pushing.......OBVIOUSLY he has some valid points too. But, honestly, when a perceived "leader" [touted as a FUTURE PRESIDENT of SA!] spews his racist, hateful comments CONSTANTLY - even directing them at young white children?! - calls for anarchy [however 'veiled' it may be], becomes a law unto himself... then there is no doubt that the future for whites in SA [and everyone else!] looks beyond bleak!! We are leaving next week because we have been without a job now for a year and a half-lost everything anyway. The ONLY place [literally in the world!] that we have managed to find a job is in another country...answer to prayer. To be CONSTANTLY told "not BEE" destroys one's faith in one's own abilities. Of course there is understanding for 'correcting' the wrongs of the what cost though? {But, then again, how else? There will be a 'fallout']. It's just SO sad to see deterioration Everywhere in SA....[no need to mention where]. But, worst of all, to know that the future of this beautiful country lies in the hands of a despotic, wannabe dictator [malema] can't help but think "the writing is on the wall". I, nevertheless, would love nothing more than to be proven wrong....would love to see SA thrive on all levels. Time will tell.

      Neles - 2011-09-26 13:36

      @Mags_24 off course oof course that percentage are very very high!

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-26 13:42

      @GK parents work or own businesses to create walth for their children the previous Generation of Blacks worked for peanuts they did not have pension fund until early 90s. Whites were all supervispors and managers had pensions when they retire(mind you retirement is based on the % of how much you earn and service years) they have more money to pass to their children on the other hand Black little. SA has 17years of democracy meaning the generation that was born when SA got free are still teenagers and dependent on the parent who`s income was designed by Apartheid regime. The majority of Black upper and middle class are in their mid 20s to 40s. And that is why poverty is high on families with older parents.

      Purple LeMoo - 2011-09-26 15:11

      @ Kgomotso –You are a typical Black person who speak of White people a lot but in fact know nothing about them…….. blah-blah-blah. Right back at you pal. Making exactly the same mistake as you accuse other people of. Nice.

      Tienie Prinsloo - 2011-09-26 19:01, why now a higher level?

      joel.mathope - 2011-09-26 19:43

      GK please man what you see happening is the consequence of apartheid, im starting to doubt ur thinking abilities

      Kevin King - 2011-09-26 20:02

      "Wit Armoede" on Kyknet tonight at 21:30

      O'forth - 2011-09-26 21:38

      @Kgomotso: Very valid points you make their comrade. It is a true pearl of wisdom and sums up the detrail of Apartheid to this country. It is not just the un fair upliftment of only one section of society but the enforced stagnation on the development of the other groups. This is the ultimate correction that should be made. And yes it affects the older generation most. The trick is to create the best possible conditions for development for a child born today, however if you factor it all the way up the support train until it will end with a grandparent who is protected and cared for. This is a matter of economics, basic bread and butter issues in the form of inheretance rights. A roof over your head, clothes, blankets and a bed, dignifed life comforts (clean water, heating and power). Physical security (health and safety), and access to the means to secure inheretance rights (mental and economic development potential)to one's offspring. In return citizens should make themself available for productive labour. Through laws and taxation the State should balance all the resources of its inhabitants such that the combined input develop a more prosperous future generation.

      Dylan Swanepoel - 2011-09-27 06:30

      @GK I highly doubt that there are 600000 whites in squatter camps.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-27 14:02

      @GK, white people are in squatter camps because they are uneducated, not because of AA/BEE... I doubt that you will find an Engineer worth his salt in a squatter camp.

      Kurt Roman - 2011-09-28 10:46

      @GK."squatter camps because of BEE" guess they staying in the "black squatter camps" NOT. "white engineers in squatter camps" how did they get his "qualification", because he was "white" he was give the certification to get the job.... Perfect example is you "Did you explain to them that 30% of adult blacks (four million people) are jobless, compared with 5% (105 000 people) of whites?" guess you cannot read or do math

  • Justin - 2011-09-26 08:20

    Excellent article !! We need to stop these movements which polarise South Africans. I am all for minority rights but we need to recognise that we are fighting for equal rights for all not just some select groups. Afriforum has created the impression that it only seeks to protect Afrikaners and as the author points out is in danger of becoming a supremacist/racist lobby group. People of South Africa let us unite. As for me, ' I am a lover not a fighter.'

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 08:29

      100% but now lets see how many turn against him as they did with other whites that sympathised with blacks.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 09:57

      Justin, you are not a fighter nor a lover. You are an idiot, thinking Afriforum polarizes South Africa. The communist ANC polarizes South Africa with racist BEE and AA laws, that gives jobs to people to illiterate to get employment otherwise. White squatter camps exist because of black marxism's racist labor laws. Blacks squatter camps exist despite an economical system that employs them, without any skills or training.

      AfrikaTsoga - 2011-09-26 10:09

      @Neo_Gennocide, please the topic is not the ANC but AfriForum beliefts and motives. Would please comment on that without confusing the unnecessarily clouding the topic with ills committed by the ANC.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:15 can you fight for the minorities rights,if the right of the majority is in direct conflict with the minority,and you want them to live together.Your argument sounds very beatifull,and very nice,and oh it sounds like the right thing to do,but in practical it won't work.The rainbow nation has had 17 years to prove itself,and racism is today worse than it was during apartheid.So please wake up out of your dream world.That which sounds right is not always the right thing to do.There is nothing wrong with Afriforum standing up for the rights of a specific group of people.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:16

      @JustinF,then you must really love Julius Malema!

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:20

      Mags, it's pretentious douchebags like you that make me want to hurl. First of all, PLEASE get off your high horse. You immediately assume that taking on the writer of the article makes me align myself with a white-supremacist society. I just find it extreme suspect WHY he absolutely HAD to write an open letter. Why didn't he write something in confidence and wait for a reply from Afriforum. Maybe I'm being a tool by being so cynical, but sue me for questioning the sincerity of a person that relies on FUD principles to make a profit.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:29

      Why don't you clown write letters to the NACCP, BMF or the likes. How anyone, even an ANC sympathiser, can find this a good article is not understandable to me.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 10:38

      @werner.smidt - i cant tell you how much i want your opinion of me to be a good one. but alas i am now a douchebag. you cut me deep much anger you feeling guilty about something?

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:50

      I have no reason to feel guilty other than the fact that I read more than one of your silly comments.

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 10:56

      @Neo Genocide I assume you did not think before writing this sorry excuse for an argument. And by the way, ANC has no more than 1million members and there are over 35m blacks.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-09-26 12:17

      Well, its a good article but its got daggers and boobie traps all over it. I see no problem with a group that looks after the interests of a perticular minority , ethnicity or whatever . They exist all over the world and here in SA , what Mr Basson does when using Afriform as an example is to point out the downfalls of a narrow interest/lobby group in that it serves the interests of small group , this does not however justify the assertion that Afrikaaners should not be represented by a interest group comprised of Afrikaaners as the double standard is obvious. I very much doubt they are a racist lobby group in the same manner any other rights group is , the question with rights groups is , are their points/cases or activities are valid. I would urge Mr Basson to register for the Cosatu and SACP newsletter mail (quality stuff) , perhaps you'll see the reasons for Afriform , perhaps you'll do the same examination of them ? Neither is Afriform anti-black or its members , in the same vain as the BMF being anti-white , they are just serve different purposes. Also the tone suggests that unless you unemployed and poor you are not entitled to civil rights protection , i sincerely hope this is unintended as that would be laughable. Feeling are predicated on a stimulus , maybe they feel white first because thats the way the environment makes them feel ? Do a survey on white africanhood and see the results.

      john_jones - 2011-09-26 16:56

      @Eugene. OK I read and write German too. I will have a look at this man's work when I can. Genocides are my pet subject so I will put it on my reading list. I have read a few other denials but they do not stack up against the massive weight of evidence that describes the genocide in detail. If something happened it happened.If it did not happen it did not happen. The 'Cassinga massacre' did not happen for instance. The 'Caprivi massacre' did not happen as well. But the Nama and Herero genocides are well documemnted and importantly EVIDENCED. @Khoisan -- who is suddenly NOT Khoisan at all.'What makes this a uniquely anti-afrikaner issue?' - Because it is DIRECTED at Boere Afrikaners. Have you ever heard an ANC 'politician' singing 'Kill the bergies' ? or 'Kill the taxi drivers'. ?. I did not call you Black. I took your word for it that you were who you called indigenous.OK so you made a fool of me then.You lied and are not Khoisan. No probs. I will take whatever else you write in future with a pinch of salt.

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-27 13:48

      @john_jones In your books, calling myself Khoisan makes me Khoi...what about Roger Black? Is he by some miracle black? You have to admit, you are so hot under the collar you end up confusing yourself.

      john_jones - 2011-09-27 20:38

      @ 'Khoisan'. More semantic gymnastics from no dumb dumb. Roger Black is a VERY English name. Themba Dlamini on the other hand is a Zulu name.If advertised myself as 'Thembinkosi Dlamini' I would be indulging in subterfuge. If I labled myself Mohammed Ali Yusuf I would be indulging in subterfuge. If I adopted 'Adoons September' as my moniker I would be indulging in subterfuge. If I called myself Khoisan-X and I was anything other than Khoisan I would be indulging in subterfuge. Like you sunshine. Ja no well fine. Straight talking seems to get you hot under the collar. Me I am cool with being me. Learnt to deal with it long time ago. If you drop your supercilious ways you may learn to be comfortable in your skin one day. That is IF of course......

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-28 12:39

      @john_jones ...lopsided logic from a idiot. Expressing views has to be based on logic and sense and responding should be based on the same. The use of a moniker is irrelevant.....unless of course your response is based on your perception of the author's race not content...I know I'm expecting too much of your intellect err lack of intellect rather.

  • werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 08:21

    I doubt your notions are sincere. How do you benefit from this? I think your nose might be so brown, we'll have to classify you under a whole new race.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 09:30

      Adriaan, get your posse off my back.

      Antoinette - 2011-09-26 09:42

      Actually, I think he commented quite spot on. Perhaps if people are less "defensive" and open their minds to another person's opinion and not belittle when you don't agree, perhaps THEN we will get somewhere. Sheesh.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 09:54

      He uses Stats SA as reference. I'm sorry, but he should know by now that Stats SA is always used as an example of "bad stats" by statistics lecturers.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:20

      @Antoinette,then U must open your mind to Julius Malema and the kill the boer song.Aswell as the fact that more tan 2700 farmers has already been murdered by black men.Then you must also open your mind to the murderers and understand them and why they murder and rape.You must understand them,maybe it will make SA a better place if you understand the murderers and the rapists!Wake up Antoinette,it is not going to happen!

      Lacri - 2011-09-26 10:21

      Werner, I'd be delighted to see your rigorous analysis of the statistics he quotes, demonstrating why the statistics are "bad stats".

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:30

      I've delighted quite enough people today already, pumpkin ;-)

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:32

      Benefits? Hoe is so stupid to spread outright lies like he does.

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-26 15:35

      lets believe a guy's "sincerity" who sells news papers? lol

      Lacri - 2011-09-27 10:28

      @werner.smidt So are you going to tell us about those stats or not?

      Kurt Roman - 2011-09-28 10:34

      @GK so I guess De La Rey is not an offensive song. Don't see that being banned

  • Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 08:21

    Absolutely brilliant Adriaan! There is a victim mentality that you see, especially on this forum with all the Afrikaner genocide punters.

      john_jones - 2011-09-26 09:09

      Mag_24. I am not Afrikaans but one does not have to be Afrikaans to count. Anywhere in the world where MORE THAN 10 % of any particular group have been slaughtered that is called genocide. When this event is accompanied by incitement to 'KILL BOERS' it becomes even more inescapeably obvious that there IS an Afrikaner genocide. There have been three genocides in the past in Southern Africa.The genocide of the Nama. The genocide of the Herero and the genocide of the Boers. It is interesting that during the time of the genocide of the Herero when the the Herero fought back against the Germans the Herero chief gave instructions NOT to harm the Boers in South West Africa. The truth shall set you free.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 09:42

      is it? where did you get that definition from? so you saying that the ANC conducted deliberate and systematic extermination of white people and according to your number 400000-500000 white people have been killed assuming that there are about 5 million white people in SA. Stats show that at most only 2000 (34000 over 17 years) white people die from unatural causes. while +-10000 (170000 over 17 years) black people (not including coloured or any other race) die from unatural causes. once again you cant compare the numbers and then try to play victim. you smoking the wrong truth buddy.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 09:50

      @john_jones - this is not a cheap shot but i know some people in the medical aid industry and if you knew what i knew i would be more worried about the scourge of AIDS running through the afrikaner community.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:06

      Mags, your comment is typical liberal demonization and propaganda. Your pro-Afrikaner genocide apron is hanging out. If you IQ was as long as your pro-genocide apron, it might have been a worthwhile comment. Your suffering from denialism, does not change the fact that Genocidewatch have placed Afrikaners on level 6 out of 8 of a genocide. For liberals like yourself, only actions originating from a genocidal government or liberals is worthwhile, and those from realists, and Afrikaners, are 'from the devil'. Time to wake up, before the cannibals eat you as well. To describe this braindead propaganda as brilliant should be able to get you institutionalized in a psychiatric institution.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 10:11

      @neo oooh yinne, my apron is too short for those big words.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:12

      @bizos. Your name is wasted, because before it was reserved for those with an education. What you say is true. Your emotions shine through, and no intellect.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:13

      Mags, you little hipster you!

      mario - 2011-09-26 10:14

      Mags_24 If I say kill the goat, to a multitude of people, for a stage, to the people that consists to members that are jobless, impoverished, and uneducated, whom also probably never heard of a metaphor or understands the concept thereof. I'm sure a few will take the literal Route and actually go kill goats as their leader said they can. Words have a lot of power, and it is not being respected, so I'm glad that their is somebody standing up or my interest, thank you Afriforum, and to Colin Lamont for banning the song, not from history, just from preforming it to the masses. Colin Lamont also stated that this is the time to write new songs and celebrate our still new democracy Why doesn't Mr Basson harp on the ANC about this, yes there I said it what is good for the goose Afri Forum, DA is good for the Gander the Anc, AncYL. And please Mr Basson that he is the victim here, and not to quote Nadine Gordimer, when he is marginalising people, does he really think Afriforum would exist without their members that have the same views and beliefs! Or should everybody just turn the other cheek and get another swift backhander from the ANC.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:26

      @Mags_24.White people do not lie about stats like black people do.That is another difference between black people and white people.You just have to accept the fact.Facts do not lie.Sorry,Mags_24.Just admit the truth,or is the truth to difficult for you too understand!

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 10:30

      @mario 100% afriforum wouldnt have any supporters if there view wasnt echoed by others. but this is where i diverge from your view. the fact that you are like minded doesn’t make you right. it’s clear to see that they are using lies to get likeminded victims to support them. At no time has white people been oppressed. the way i see it is that afriforum spreads fear just like Malema does. Both are trying to justify their existence.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 10:33

      @Gk lol of course not. ;)

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:38

      Absolutely foolish. If John did propagate that "Herero Genocide" BS, I'd agree with him.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 10:52

      White people haven't been you think it's our turn or something?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 11:17

      @werner.smidt - im going to give you what you want to hear. yes!! there’s a secret plot to kill every single white person. We are all in on it except you guys. i don’t know how those pesky afriforum and genocide guys found out but we will continue forward and oppress you! every night we get together with pinky and the brain and we try to take over the world!

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 11:33

      @Neo Genocide And why would Afrikaners be singled out from other Caucasians? Roelf Meyer .... Meyer Khan_which Meyer is under threat? GT Ferreira...L Ferreira_which Ferreira is under threat? And so it goes...

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 11:43

      Actually, I was commenting on your poorly constructed thoughts. Whatever, it matches your keen sense of irony. At least you're consistent :-) For the record, I don't think there's some sort of plot.

      john_jones - 2011-09-26 11:56

      @Mag_24 3 800 farmers alone murdered in 17 years = 10% of the farming community. Overwhelmingly these have been Afrikaaners. As far as that , sorry to have to say it , but very stupid comment about a 'plot' - have you been reading the news lately ?. Do you know what happened for months before Rwanda ?.Do you know what the first president of Equatorial Guinea used to sing into the microphone before all the Spaniards had to leave in ONE DAY. If I went around sing 'kill mags_24' all day you would be able to bring a watertight case of inceitement to murder against me. @Eugene , please go and read what the Germans said they were going to do to the Herero and then what they actually did. Going from being just under 50 % of the population to less than 7 % looks as near as dammit to a case of Genecide as you can get. When the perpetrator apologises for the genocide than it is case closed. The truth will set you free. bye

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 12:06

      @john_jones Does the fact that Farmers are killed not have more to do with the fact that they live in isolated environments? Surely that exposes them to inordinately more risk. What makes those killings political? Horrendous they certainly are...and we should feel ashamed as a country but invoking Genocide against Afrikaners when in fact some of those farmers are english and black albeit the minority is simply superfluous

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 12:08

      @werner.smidt - you still cant dispute any of the facts or stats. so i wouldnt be worried about my poorly contructed thoughts. but im sure you will troll the genocide sites to give us some "good" stats

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 12:11

      well john then its a farmer genocide if that. and what about the farm workers that have also been killed? they dont count? or is it that it just doesnt fit with the picture of the white genocide you are trying to paint.

      john_jones - 2011-09-26 13:14

      @Khoisan . So farmers are being killed because they live ' in isolated areas' !. Late breaking news for you Khoisan. Farmers ALL OVER THE WORLD live 'in isolated areas'. There are about 300 000 American farmers. Mosty 'in isolated areas'. If 30 000 of them had been murdered in 17 years by say for instance the animal-rights people that would be called called genocide , no question about that. Now as you well know , if you are indigenous to South Africa as you claim to be , that > 90 % of the farmers murdered have come from ONE particular group.And it's NOT the Chinese. If we were talking about any other group on the planet there would be no discussion. Because the Boere / Afrikaaners are a politically incorrect species the topic becomes a subject for semantic gymnastics. The fact that you indulge in them says a lot about you.And it is not very nice.

      JulFT - 2011-09-26 13:32

      Here's a fact: there are less whites, Afrikaans or English, living in SA today than there were 10 years ago. Considering the natural increase in birthrate over time this is a highly worrying statistic. Sure, there are other factors to consider beside the immense emigration statistics and sure, this may just be an aberration that will slowly correct itself; but still, is it seriously too much to fathom how people, immensely proud of their heritage, could be getting a little nervous that things might be falling apart? How can you blame them? Massive crowds singing suggestive songs about shooting, killing and ultimately destroying a particular group's ancestral roots can't exactly help matters. It is actually quite frightening - if you allow yourself to look at the situation objectively: this particular song isn't meant to be taken literally and I don't think all that many people are ignorant enough to actually go out and start killing people; the song itself is nothing more than a reflection of a general attitude that is being preached evangelically to millions of people. It is being used to play on the very apparent fears that already exist in the hearts and minds of South Africa's white population and has sent them running faster than ever. This attitude, highlighted by a song made even more powerful by the fact that it is now banned, is doing exactly what it states itself to be doing - without even lifting a finger. I'd be looking for answers too.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 14:14

      @john_jones I can read German and I recommend you read Dr. Claus Nordbruch's publications on the matter. There was no "Herero Genocide" straight and simple.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 14:16

      What stats are you referring to? I don't pay attention to genocide sites, but I don't think farmers getting tortured and murdered is a myth. I find it hard to believe that this repeated pattern of violence, is merely a case of "robbery and silencing the witnesses". Of course, proof is always the preferable manner of substantiating something. Anyhoo, I think you get off on violence and trying to spread discord. Funny that you mention "victim mentality". . . is that akin to "previously disadvantaged" in your mind?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 14:42

      @werner.smidt you know what stats im talking about. "He uses Stats SA as reference. I'm sorry, but he should know by now that Stats SA is always used as an example of "bad stats" by statistics lecturers. " ...those are your words. if you despute the facts then at least come with evidence to the contrary. Re:”Anyhoo, I think you get off on violence and trying to spread discord. Funny that you mention "victim mentality". . . is that akin to "previously disadvantaged" in your mind? “ nice try. i dont fall for childish games of making outlandish statements. my perceived flaws are not going to detract from the fact that you have nothing to dispute what is been said other than his stats are crap. At no time did anyone say that the farm murders are a myth. What was disputed was that it was because of a “genocide”. If you can’t follow the argument then stay out of it. Either way im done arguing with a troll. Peace out.

      pandeniehawala - 2011-09-26 14:54

      Eugene - for you to say there was no genocide in Namibia makes me sick. the germans have accepted the blame, who are you to say there wasnt genocide, oh i forgot,you are white, the name says it all, are u name sake of the dead guy?

      Khoisan X - 2011-09-26 15:19

      @john_jones You're the world over live in isolated areas but you dont see electric fences everywhere in the US or UK or FRANCE now do you? Why you should ask. Because they do not have the abnormal crime situation we have in SA and crime in SA is not directed at one race group..its across the board. In fact the worst crime so happens to be in JHB not PTA, Cape Flats not Blouberg...and the farmers in the eastern cape feel the crime as badly as those in Ventersdorp. What makes this a uniquely anti-afrikaner issue? I never claimed to be indegenous to SA...unless you can point that out. You make the assumption that I'm black and even then you assume I'm SA born! Get those preconceptions outta ya head... As for the farmers coming from one group, the number of people murdered or that are victims of crime in SA is disproportionately higher for other than white in your lopsided logic this means?

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 15:25

      :-) Nerves tender are they? I said Stats SA's stats are bad. I'm sorry if the academic opinion of University lecturers don't quite meet your standards. I prefer things that have been peer reviewed ;-) I understand that the genocide concept is debatable, but you really try your best to trivialise it. You refer to people expressing their fears of "being next" as a type of retarded mentality. If your neighbour is murdered, will you not be a little more afraid? I didn't imply that you're saying farm murders don't happen, but you have to admit how systematic it is. The repeated pattern was what I was pointing out. Where did I make an outlandish statement? Also, you just avoided a question. Does your "victimisation logic" apply to "previously disadvantaged"? A simple yes/no will do. . .ah, alas, you won't answer a question that might contradict your original statement. Kiwi.

      falcon2020 - 2011-09-26 16:28

      @Mags - you had me untill you postulated that AIDS ARE KILLING AFRIKANERS...rotflmao!!!

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 16:51

      @werner.smidt - interesting. actual victimisation vs victimisation thats not actually happening(afrikaner genocide) thats a tough one. mmmmmmm.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 16:55

      @falcon2020 thats cool dont really need you.

      john_jones - 2011-09-26 17:24

      @Eugene. OK I read and write German too. I will have a look at this man's work when I can. Genocides are my pet subject so I will put it on my reading list. I have read a few other denials but they do not stack up against the massive weight of evidence that describes the genocide in detail. If something happened it happened.If it did not happen it did not happen. The 'Cassinga massacre' did not happen for instance. The 'Caprivi massacre' did not happen as well. But the Nama and Herero genocides are well documemnted and importantly EVIDENCED. @Khoisan -- who is suddenly NOT Khoisan at all.'What makes this a uniquely anti-afrikaner issue?' - Because it is DIRECTED at Boere Afrikaners. Have you ever heard an ANC 'politician' singing 'Kill the bergies' ? or 'Kill the taxi drivers'. ?. I did not call you Black. I took your word for it that you were who you called indigenous.OK so you made a fool of me then.You lied and are not Khoisan. No probs. I will take whatever else you write in future with a pinch of salt.

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 17:40

      My little lentil curtain dweller, I hope this time you won't go against your word. This comment is written without provocation. Er . . sorry about the lentil thing if you do take offence; it's just that I'm an avid reader of and I think the mental construct I have of you was mentioned in one of the articles. Something about a Frutarian being displeased by braai day. You really should give it a read.

      Kevin King - 2011-09-26 20:03

      "Wit Armoede" on Kyknet tonight at 21:30

      mario - 2011-09-27 08:30

      @Mags24 like minded victims, sorry my darling but you've lost me there, are you saying that Afriforum's followers are mindless sheep, so sorry to dissapoint you, but Afriforum is not the white ANC, and unlike the ANC and it's league, Afriforum does not hand out sweeties, or promise nationalisation to a million just so that you follow them, people who'se grasp on the ideology behind Malema's +/-R75 00.00 Brietling, far escapes their capacity to calculate that sum or the time frame it would take for a person to gain such an extravagant item of jewelery. But he promises 3course meal and only delivers a potato and some sand, but his followers are happy cause he is their black brother. On the other hand we have Afriforum, which I'm not a member of, with followers that aren't recruited by rallies on the grass routes, but people that have an education and that probably 70% of have in some form or scope experienced violent crime, these people have joined out of their own free will. Why you ask, because Afriforum actually gets results, they don't promise half measures, they give you an extra scoop of pudding! So I guess the members have a sense of belonging on either side, né. And aslong as the ANC or who ever spews their bile, there will be the Afriforum types that won't sit idly by while people get insulted, and have the courage to stand up against the giant, maybe not right for some but maybe for others. It's a question of was malema right to singthesong,orwasAfriforumforsuing

  • TinnyTim - 2011-09-26 08:27

    Is it not a persons right and priveledge to speak up for whomever they please...stop telling people who they should and should not speak up for, its their right to do so!!!If one group feels they would like to be seperate from another is it not their right to do so?

      Lacri - 2011-09-26 10:23

      Nobody is preventing them from speaking their minds (although they are trying to prevent others from doing so). It is also Adriaan's right to speak if he disagrees. As it is yours to criticise him.

  • bizos - 2011-09-26 08:27

    Thank you Adriaan Basson, you saw right through them, for what they really stand for,and 1 comment here because what you are saying is true and facts

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:11

      @bizos. your name is wasted. Before it was reserved for fine legal minds. Adriaan stands for a pro-Afrikaner genocide. View the movie Hotel Rwanda, and listen to broadcasts, stating: 'The graves are not yet full", inciting people to kill more innocent people. Being ignorant and living in denial, and avoiding a real education on evils, like the sociopath Malema, is an abnormal psychological disease. It is curable, and worthwhile. See a shrink or end being institutionalized one day.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-09-26 17:14

      Neo Genocide...really grow up. You hide your sever subjectivity behind by a wall of words that you are trying to pass as a logical argument. Adriaan Basson presents balanced arguments. Your claim that he is pro-genocide is absurd and your rants about this being propaganda is ironic at best. Are farms murders down or up? I cannot tell you for certain, but knowing someone who knows someone who was attacked is not any better than ‘Bad stats’. People lie and embellish the truth, which is part of human nature. There should not be any murder, but to deny the horrific crime that takes place within townships is grossly ignorant. You are shocked about the stories about the farmers? I have heard stories from the township that will make those incidents seem docile. The fact of the matter is that black on white crime sells newspapers. So we are continuously provided with fuel to burn our racial fire. Tell me with your clearly superior knowledge….of the 50 people who are killed each day…how many of those are white? The ANC are incompetent and are not fit to rule. We have serious problems that need to be overcome, many of which were created in the last decade and are not a legacy of Apartheid. However to deny the scar that apartheid left is to deny your own intelligence. Also the argument that BEE is creating these white town ships is probably not wrong. However why shouldn’t there be white townships if there are black townships? Are whites somehow exempt from poverty and crime?

  • Pupuzela - 2011-09-26 08:29

    Adriaan, is your job on the line?

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:46

      For letting those critisizing Afriforum look stupid?

      Imfene - 2011-09-27 14:46

      More likely his life, for exposing Malema's little secret.

  • CPII - 2011-09-26 08:30

    For the deputy editor of such a influential newspaper you sound very naive

      prsephton - 2011-09-27 11:46

      That was my immediate thought too

  • Dvdwalt - 2011-09-26 08:31

    Is the race card only applicable to whites? Organisations like Afriforum are the main reasons why you see so many less Afrikaner children begging on the streets. What if Kallie Kriel built himself a R16 milion house? what would you say then? What if he got a dodgy governmnet tender, wouldn't you have a field day then Adriaan?

      Lacri - 2011-09-26 10:24

      I have never seen an Afrikaner child begging in the streets.

      Lacri - 2011-09-26 10:25

      Unless one counts the so-called leaders of the future begging at traffic lights for "Jool" every year.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:49

      @ Lacri, in that case you haven't been on the streets a lot. There is indeed quite a lot of White/Afrikaans-speaking beggars on the streets and often they don't fit the White trash stigma some people like to use against them.

      mobiles - 2011-09-27 00:45

      Why are black South Africans so obsessed with whites ? I`m getting sick and tired of this ``feeling sorry for themselves and blaming the whites for all there shortcoming`` FFS ! Do you see the Afrikaners crying about the anglo boer war ? Around 27 000 women and children died , TAKE NOTE , women and children ! Not even a quater of black people died during apartheid ! Apartheid is over , bunch of f@cken idiots !

      mobiles - 2011-09-27 13:33

      @ Lacri , yes get over it ! Just look north , do I need to say more ?

  • Ian23 - 2011-09-26 08:35

    Well written article which will no doubt raise all kinds of ridiculous comments. Ultimately, if you are a true, sensible South African then you will completely support everything in this article. Extreme left and right minded people are the ones who ruin this country but are always in the news. The sad thing is that they don't see themselves that way and believe they are right. We have a lot of black and white racists in this country caused primarily by our divided past. Only they can change themselves and move forward and hopefully articles like this get people to take off their tinted glasses and take a good loook at themselves before they judge others. We are probably the country in the world with the most unrealised potential. I consider myself a South African first and white second.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:36

      @Ian23,I am a true South-African and my forefathers died in concentration camps for this country,they fought the English,the Zulus and the won both wars.Show me any other nation that has done the same for this country and I will say,they deserve to rule this country!What makes you more of a South-African than me?The rainbow nation had 17 years to prove it self,and yet it has failed,now you still want to stick to a failed theology,of different cultures with different nations all living happily together.Good luck to you!

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:39

      The only race that benefits from living together with other races,is definitly not the white race my friend.You believe in a Utopia that will never happen.Good Luck to your Utopia,which sounds good,but in practice will fail in every aspect as the rainbow nation has done!

      Lacri - 2011-09-26 10:49

      As I recall it was the English who won the Anglo-Boer war.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:49

      You mean ridiculuous comments like your praising this pile of silly lies.

      Zee - 2011-09-26 12:38

      "I am a true South-African and my forefathers died in concentration camps for this country" - no, they died for themselves and their kind, not for South Africa!

      Gk - 2011-09-26 13:08

      @Zee,then why don't you go and die for a white afrikaner male today,seeing that you are willing to die for everyone.The only race that benefits from the rainbow nation is the black race.Zee,if you are so for a multicultured nation,then why don't you fight the racist murders against farmers,the racist BEE policies and the racist kill the boer song.Why don't you fight racism agaist whites?Who are you too say that they fought for themselves,you are lying by saying that.they fought for their freadom in this country,they literally fought against the british for this country.Zee,how can you cahnge that fact.The only race that benefits from living together is the black race!

      darkie01 - 2011-09-26 15:00

      Thats brilliant stuff, I am black and lived in Europe for over 15 years. I am always surprised by the lack of empathy i see in Right wing whites, exaggerated fears and a belief that social Laagers are still appropriate in 2011. Whilst the answer as Ian says lie with moderate whites and blacks,its also true that, deep prejudice and racism towards blacks by whites determines the response by blacks and inevitably like a boomerang it will hit hard. Desmond Tutu has tried to suggest socio-equity ideas to ease the rancor that seat in the impoverished majority and what did he get? A Laager inspired response, radicalism breeds radicalism unlike white radicalism, black radicalism because of demographics can overwhelm the other. Afrikaaners stop thinking like a tribe, and your future will be assured. The ANC is not corrupt because all blacks wants it to be so, they are also victims moreso because they have always been poor. Can Afrikaanerdom forestall, socio-economic justice, not Malema led by rational and Tutu inspired? If you dont heed Tutu's call you will need to reinvent new Laager;s because in Black American Lingua "Stuff will go down".

      Moi1980 - 2011-09-26 15:42

      @darkie-"deep prejudice and racism towards blacks by whites". I agree that is a problem. But what about the hatred and racism towards whites by blacks? It's not up to one spectrum of South Africans to try and fix the country, it's for all South Africans. This constant blame directed at one race (and yes, it comes from both black and white)is not going to end well. I wish I had some way to fix it, but unfortunately I have no solutions.

      O'forth - 2011-09-26 22:11

      GK; if you study your history you will learn that every population group at one point got pushed over by someone else and came up short on people and land after. Julius Malema's Pedi for one was a group who was really attacked hard by just about everybody, losing many people and huge tracks of land in the process. They even had a woman leader who fought to the death. At the same time the Pedi was encouraged by Afrikaners and Zulu alike to take it to the British while the Swazi helped distroy them in order to settle older scores and to gain politicaly and economicaly. The Afrikaaner should start exploring their ancestors in a different perspective from the political short sighted indoctrimation by the Nats. They have a lot to be proud of but is no more "Gods gift to the world" than any other. The brick wall going up around the genociders is not because of heoism, it is because of fear. The genociders appear to support this brave tradition of their ancestors when in effect they do not prtray any of the characteristics the so admire. They talk about emigrating(running from their problems) and the kind like Adrian Basson who justify (hensopper) being insulted as the natural outcome of who they are. Botha, Pretorius and De la Rey at some point all fought with blacks and made pacts with tribesmen and black leaders. You did not find them at Cape Town harbour shipping their stuff back to Europe. They were pragmatists. Genociders are not.

  • shame - 2011-09-26 08:35

    Adriaan Basson, please join a black movement. There are a lot of black only movements, like the Anc and the current goverment that only take away from whites, give to the already rich blacks. OH sorry I forgot it is only whites that can be racists. Why must a person always have to look at the neighbours before he is allowed to keep his own house in order.

  • Mark - 2011-09-26 08:37

    Please define this so-called 'African' culture that white people should defer to ahead of their own. This is a vapid article devoid of worth, because it attacks a straw manned 'white culture' and promotes an ethereal, ill defined 'African' ideal. Which part of Africa, and which people do you use as the basis for this monolith? Perhaps it's the Zulus, the Swahilis, the Pygmies, the Masai. Stop lumping people into broad categories based on race and let them live their own damn lives! You and Afriforum are both cut from the same cloth; squabbling over these ideas about how people should behave based on either their race or nationality. Get over it, please.

      Jonathan - 2011-09-26 09:13

      I think you kinda missed it Mark...The author doesn't 'lump' people into groups. Afriforum lumped themselves into a 'broad category' Now stop being so angry and have a nice day...

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 09:18

      Mark, that is brilliant

      Mark - 2011-09-26 15:11

      @Jonathan I think it is rather you that misses the point; the writer has bought into a false dichotomy ie: 'White' or 'African', unfortunately it is a delusion shared by many. How about people identify with their own humanity rather have a label attached? I am a secular human first; I reject other people labeling me, as I refuse to label other people. This is why I am angry; the other day I was talking to a 'black' South African about some frivolous topic and they charged that I could not understand their point of view because I am 'white'. This kind of discourse has to stop. It's like a scabby wound that people keep picking on; it will never heal so long as people refuse to let it heal in its own time. I'm not saying that there are not difference between races and cultures. That would be foolish, but I am saying that when dealing with people that belong to other races, put that aside and connect on a human level. Quick example: Shoot the 'boer'. Before anything else, is a 'boer' not human? Maybe people want to narrowly define it as an oppressive person, a bad guy, a racist, etc. But from the humanist perspective, we shouldn't be singing songs about killing people, no matter what they have done or who they are. Once one group starts singing about killing one kind of person, it opens the gates to other groups singing songs or making violent statements about others, as you see from some of the more extreme suggestions from the far right white movements.

      Tertius - 2011-09-26 15:39

      I believe that Adder-jan is not attacking Afriforum or Kriel, but trying to create a "ons-is-nie-almal-so-nie"-type of a perception. It is as despicable as whatever he is criticizing.

  • adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 08:37

    Good article - AfriForum helps as much in building a united SA as Malema and the ANCYL. Both looks through the "Me Only" glasses and forget about everyone else and the bigger nation.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:43

      @ Adriaan.mostert,then why don't you give your house and car to a blck man?Why don't yopu marry a black woman.Are you racist?Come on this is the rainbow nation lets all share,and live happily ever-after!Let's forget about our identity and who we are and create a new culture and identity.The rainbow nation identity!Wake up it is not working!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:51

      Perhaps Afriforum shouldn't engage in the pipe-dream of a "New South Africa" at all. They've been criticised for not taking a stronger stance on Afrikaner selfdetermination.

      adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 15:24

      @Gk - you are a funny person and I see have already been infected with the paralyzing paranoia which unfortunately renders you useless to assist this country moving forward. "Let's forget about our identity and who we are and create a new culture and identity" - there is some hope for you because while some of use still cling to the old "apartheid" sense of self and dogma - then of course nothing will work (same goes for black, ping, yellow people in SA). What you need to do build a new identity, but build it correctly - aspire to something better than recreating the mistakes of the past! I reckon it is maybe too difficult for the "infected".

      masamune - 2011-09-28 10:26

      for a new identity,white people need to understand the psyche of the black men. The only way that will happen is if the white people go through the same pain the blacks went through. Its already happening, now the white are starting to feel that pain. Im not saying it's correct,but it usually goes that way.

  • henrileriche - 2011-09-26 08:53

    Dear Adriaan. Kallie Kriel seems to be more in step with what's happening around the world. I feel sorry for fellow Afrikaners that's never left South Africa, in order to open their minds. I have traveled the world and I have seen how minorities are treated in other places around the world. In South Africa, minority rights are not respected as it should. But maybe you didn't know that? Maybe you do not know world standards in western countries where black people are the minority? Those (1st world) Western (white) countries bend over backwards to accommodate and make those people feel welcome. You probably also do not know what the Afrikaner is part of and that they are sending out a team to investigate lack of oversight and protection by the SA government?? Adriaan, I can only think two things are possible from above letter. You are indeed very ignorant regarding minority rights worldwide, or you're a marxist/socialist support, which in that case is totally understandable as minority rights means nothing to communists. Ignorance can be cured. Marxism and stubbornness can not. As I like that Other than to attack Afriforum, as there are enough English newspapers out there doing precisely the same to attract more black readers. I would suggest City Press should try a different strategy like informing black readers what minority rights are. If the SA government (and ANC) openly condemmed Malema's racism, rather than keeping quiet, Afriforum would not be needed.

      henrileriche - 2011-09-26 11:37

      Adriaan Basson and many others around the world is the result of the following:

  • Tolerant - 2011-09-26 08:54

    We should not underestimate the desire to succeed from the whites, no wonder they are better off per average than in 1993 and much better off than blacks. Anyone can succeed if they have enough desire, a plan and goals.

  • Makgowaaraci - 2011-09-26 08:57

    This is the most honest article i have read in a while,this are kind of whites that we can build a non-racial SA with them, please don't be defensive and engage Mr. Basson factually.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 10:47

      @Makgowaaraci,this type of person is the type of person that will wright a anti-black article during apartheid.He has no commitment to any nation or anyone.He only writes what his boss likes!I have more respect for Julius Malema than him.At least Malema stands up for his people.

      makenzo99 - 2011-09-26 15:41

      @GK - at some level of awareness possible to humanbiengs, there is no Your people and thier people, there are only people, therv are only US.

  • Weazle - 2011-09-26 09:03

    I like the article and what is written.... but I fear he missed the mark on what Afriforum stands for... after all wasn't the ANC formed to protect the intrests of groups of oppressed people? They see the potential for Whites becoming oppressed and are trying hard to stop it from happening.... prevention is better than cure

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 09:24

      True but you are not been oppressed and saying that prevention is better than cure is rubbish. From what i see and the rhetoric used, makes it seem like their goal is to create division and also to create a little niche for themselves. Look at the statistics in the article and you see they are lying about how oppressed white people are. They are not helping anything they are causing division, the same way Malema does on the other side of the colour line.. I’m all for fighting against oppression but only when its real oppression. most white people have no idea what oppression is, maybe they should go live in zim to find out.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:52

      Liking in the sense of wishful thinking?

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:02

      @mags. We don't give facts, because you can't comprehend it. Read all about facts at or go to and see for yourself the magnitude and scope of the atrocities committed against Afrikaners on a daily basis. Go for it. It is free education that might enable you to talk with insight, conviction and passion the next time around.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 11:24

      @Neo Genocide - right 0_o i have been to those bullsh*t sites, not interested in the sh*t they spread.

      henrileriche - 2011-09-26 12:16

      Mags_24 - lol. Facts are not racist nor are they bulls**t. And grow a spine and post under you real name if you have the b@lls to call facts bullsh**t. I doubt you have any because you and political correctness (lies) are part of the last decade. The age of cowards. Lots of them around in SA.

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-26 12:51

      @henrileriche -really? like the "facts" on Censorbugbear that white baby's toes are been harvested for witch craft? these guys cant even speak properly. " Blonde teenager Anika Smit, (17) was found murdered at her Pretoria home on March 11, 2010 -- –with her hands and forearms chopped off. This was confirmed by SAPF constable William Mahlaole. Again, nothing whatsoever was robbed." really? nothing was robbed? you have quite a source there buddy. Damon Hinster from Cape Town. and now what? What have you achieved?

  • Ubhejane - 2011-09-26 09:05

    Bravo Basson,bravo!!! And I am certain that the expats and bitter whities who only see black and white will be calling you a k* lover/boetie in their next braais like they did to Oom Bey Naude,Hanekom and others who chose to see the realities on the ground,well done Basson......give this man a Bells!!!

  • Zakes - 2011-09-26 09:11

    We will all definitely have different interpretations of what Adriaan is trying to say, which is normal…and it’s true that no one should be forced to defer from their own culture, but then again there is a difference between culture and extremist, as a millionaire who knows that both black and white people have their shady deals, I believe the best way to have some kind of peace in SA is through compromising.

  • SAtheBest - 2011-09-26 09:13

    This is one of the best and most truthful letters I have read in a very LOOOOOOOOOONG time on these news websites.

      AfrikaTsoga - 2011-09-26 10:24

      @SAtheBest, it is sad on the other hand that we are so paranoid that we can't even face up to the truth. I have just discovered that people who cannot use logic tend to mix arguments and unnecessary comaparisons that do not have to do with the debate at hand. For example I see some people on the thread talking about the ANC, BEE, AA, "Adriaan's job on the line", Racism etc, whilst the debate is about the notions/beliefs held by AfriForum. I think I need to repear this: The debate is AfriForum not the ANC, Racims, Adriaan's job, or any other thing.

  • Gk - 2011-09-26 09:13

    Dear Adriaan Basson If you say the afrikaner is not being opressed.Please look at the international accepted definition of a geonicide and then hopefully you will wake up.Everything according to this definition the afrikaner can relate to: Geonicide definition: By 'genocide' we mean the destruction of an ethnic group . . . . Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups . . ..

      cr1t - 2011-09-26 12:36

      I doubt that you can prove a "coordinated plan"

      cerveza - 2011-09-26 20:20

      @GK - according the Genocide Watch List, boers and refugees are under the same threat in SA. So if you are serious about your fear of genocide and not just another selfish racist with a "us" mentality will you include the African refugees in your plight. It would also have the advantage of increasing the numbers of the "victims" and will therefor increase international awareness. A white and black victim standing together for what they believe is right will also remove some of the racist stigma. So make you choice: "we minority" or "we, all of us that are affected"

  • Eugene - 2011-09-26 09:16

    Guys, you can't blame Adriaan, who is, as you might have noticed, the deputy editor of City Press, the chief mouthpiece of anti-white sentiment in SA. He is also a jounalist, the profession that ususally, like under apartheid, toes the line with the status quo. They virtually never even read a book, drink incessantly (which also affects their ability to reason and think rationally) and have nothing except a journalism degree from the US or Rhodes (as an example, a young journalist recently asked me what happened during the state of emergency in the 80's??). Anyhow, right now, the status quo is the "politically correct" era where equality is the supposed norm, but in pratice the ANC's National Democratic Revolution holds sway whereby minorities are told to shut up so the ANC can run (and ruin) the country. Yes, I agree that Afrikaners are generally in a dominant economic position and will stay a middle class group for a long time still. I also agree that most black people are poor and that their voices are not being heard. But should we not have any institutions of our own and fight against something that is clearly bigoted? If Adriaan had cared to read wider, he'd have known that AfriForum and Solidarity tried to reach a deal with the ANC long before going to court. To no avail. A judgement was the only way to settle this. I know many Afrikaners who donate abundantly to black charities and serves the black poor, bit I wonder when last Adriaan made such an effort.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 09:43

      Eugene,how can you say the afrikaner is a middle class group if 600 000 afrikaers stay in squatter camps?Thousand more afrikaners stay with family and friends,who cannot get work because of their skin colour.Things have changed under ANC rule,Eugene!It seems like you should do more research about your own peoples suffering,which unfortunately you will not find in todays newspapers!an estimated 1 million afrikaners live overseas,600 000 live in poverty.The remaining 3 million,are just too happy to be alive and still be able to make a living in a country where the afrikaner are not welcome anymore.Wake-up eugene!

      adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 09:45

      Eugene, as a senior researcher at Solidariteit you are really not doing your cause any good by a comment like that! If comments like that reflect the foundation of AfriForum and Solidariteir supporters then you will never succeed in your goals to have a positive effect for white people in the effort for a positive country for all.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:12

      Eish, when will News24 install a feature to comment on comments . . . Anywho, first of I would like to say to my two 'detractors' (GK and the Adriaan Mostert) that you represent the opposite sides of the spectrum. Gk alleges that everything is falling apart, that our lives are under constant threat and that we have no rights. Even if, hypothetically, 600 000 Afrikaners live in poverty (which I doubt by the way, simple math explains it), then what type of existence do the remainder of the 2,7 million Afrikaners have. 2,1 million don't live in poverty because only 600,000 do. No, they are either then rich or middle class. Therefore, roughly 70% are at least middle class. Stats will prove it. I've worked (first-hand) with poor whites and I know what their plight is, but the causes of their poverty is varied and not necessarily only Affirmative Action. Then, Adriaan Mostert, the man too afraid to list his own qualifications, experience or employer. First off, please read your posts again before you post them as they are poorly written - the last part is really dodgy. You criticise my post without arguing its merits. What did you not agree with? That Afrikaners are making a valued contribution to uplifting the poor? That the ANC's NDR is not taking shape? That Solidarity did not try its best to resolve this dispute by negotiation? What did you not agree with so we can debate them?

      adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 10:23

      "I know many Afrikaners who donate abundantly to black charities and serves the black poor, bit I wonder when last Adriaan made such an effort." - "I am not a racist! I have a friend who has a friend who is black!"

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:00

      @Eugene,you are not in touch with what is happening to your own people.I think you should wake up and realize the reality of the situation! Here are a few websites you can visit!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:03

      @ Adriaan Mostert: Hell is a place where there is no reason and you have taken me there. Have I made a racist remark with that statement? Where was I a racist? When I told the truth about Afrikaners helping out with black charities? FYI, I help out via my church and my employer at black AND white charities. You don't know me, how dare you say I'm a racist when I even admitted that whites are still economically dominant to blacks? When last did you do anything for someone in need? I don't know of any Afrikaners or normal black people chanting songs advocating hate speech. My gripe is with Adriaan attacking AfriForum for dragging to court for a racist song. As Adriaan has his opinions, I have mine - the sole difference is I treat everyone the same, regardless of who he is. I have repudiated whites for being racist and I treat black racism all the same. AfriForum isn't not above criticsim, no person or organisation is. But all organisations, whether it be the ANCYL, Cosatu, AfriForum, the South African Communist Party or Absa, have vested interests and will not fight everyone's battles for them. Cosatu and the SACP will only lobby for workers, even when the country's greater good is at stake and even if it means our economic growth dropped to 1,3% from 5% because of the strikes. But no, only AfriForum gets harrangued by Adriaan for a court case which they actually one. You still haven't listed your qualifications and I presume you are way out of your intellectual league.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:19

      From Wikipedia: The Landless People's movement was found guilty in 2004 of hate speech by the South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC). Mangaliso Kubheka, at that point the National Organizer of LPM, was found guilty of having uttered the slogan "kill the farmer, kill the boer" during a speech[20]. Kubheka is now a land owner and an ANC councillor.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:26

      @ GK: I never said that we are not being murdered on farms. We are a vulnerable group, but we also have rights and this court case proved it. Exaggeration definitely does not help. And why do you post links to farm murder website (the one doesn't exist) if the bulk of my reply was about Afrikaner poverty? Bly asb. by die onderwerp my vriend.

      adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 11:32


      Eugene - 2011-09-26 12:45

      @ Adriaan Mostert: Outta your league bud, you lower the IQ of the people trying to blog sensibly and factually on here. I'm outta here!

      adriaan.mostert - 2011-09-26 14:22

      "He is also a jounalist, the profession that ususally, like under apartheid, toes the line with the status quo. They virtually never even read a book, drink incessantly (which also affects their ability to reason and think rationally) and have nothing except a journalism degree from the US or Rhodes (as an example, a young journalist recently asked me what happened during the state of emergency in the 80's??)" - Phew, we could create a whole encyclopedia from all the "facts" in there. "I'm outta here!" - hopefully you mean out of the country!?

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-26 16:00

      AfriForum tried to reach a deal with ANC, and what was the deal.

  • frikkie.botes - 2011-09-26 09:16

    He who feeds millions cheaply deserves millions re Whitey Basson.

  • andrelouisw - 2011-09-26 09:20

    What a load of hogwash! Please ask him to take his head out of the sand!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:53

      Or from another place where there isn't lots of light :)

  • Gk - 2011-09-26 09:24

    At least Kallie does not sing for the killing of black people.At least white people does not kill black people.90% of all murders against whites are comitted by blacks.And the fear white people have living in this country are justified by the high crime rates.@Adriaan Basson,why not blame the guilty party which is the goverment,rather then blaming people who represent the majority of the afrikaner.Adriaan,is your salary being paid by the liberal left,or the ANC goverment.Why turn against your own kind to impress your left and liberal bosses and friends.Maybe this article will get you an increase.You should be fired,and your job should be given to a black man,like so many white South-Africans has done.Why don't you sacrifice your job,for a black person?Are you a racist Adriaan Basson?Seeing that you and your forefathers benefitted from aparthgeid,why don't you then resign and do the right thing and give your job aswell as your house and car to a black person?Come now Adriaan,seeing that you say you benifitted unfairly from apartheid,according to you.You should resign with emmediate effect!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:55

      Adriaan didn't "benefit unfair from Apartheid" - He benefited unfair from creeping somewhere with his superiors in the media.

  • Poorboy - 2011-09-26 09:41

    Very true. Afriforum thrives on perpetuating white fear. White Afrikaners are not a vulnerable minority, they are the most powerful group of all race groups in South Africa. They are single handedly in control of the country's economy. Why they feel they are vulnerable minority victims, only God knows. THe truth is white people have always lived with false based fear since 1994, many have acted on this fear by leaving the country. It should be no one's fault that they feel this way, but Kallie saw a niche and acted quickly to fill it, making fearful Afrikaners to feel "protected" when in fact, they dont need any civil rights protection.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:05

      Does the high crime rate not justify their fear?Does singing kill the boer,while more than 2800 white farmers have been murdered by black men,and more than 90% of all murders against whites are comitted by blacks,not justify their fears.Now you want to come and say that Afriforum thrives on white fear.I think you can blame the racist ANC goverment for the white fear,not afriforum.You should wake up!

      device - 2011-09-26 11:28

      @GK the more comments you post the more I actually believe what Adriaan Basson is saying. You seem so obsessively adamant about proving this point that your beginning to sound a bit crazy. BTW i dare you to show us where you found that 90% of whites are being killed by black stat. my guess is that you cooked it up in your head or someone brainwashed you into believing that hogwash

      Gk - 2011-09-26 12:14

      @Device,you can follow it daily in the papers and see who are the murderers and who are being murdered.I can also tell you that the 2800 or so farmers that has been murdered ,was not murdered by whites my friend.So wake up my friend,where do I get the stats from,the stats are happening around you.Your device should be reloaded!

      device - 2011-09-26 12:23

      Wow this is actually quite entertaining! you are telling us that you established these stats by reading the paper every single day and found out that 90% of whites are murdered by blacks in SA... please inform us which paper gives you this kind of info.

  • BreakdownBoy - 2011-09-26 09:50

    Adriaan: When all the farmers are dead and we have no food, do you think that will benefit all South Africans? You list top earners but is the problem that they are white? What about Eskom's (black) HR officer getting a 500% raise in anual salary (R500k to R2.5M), I am sure that could have allowed the employment of more black skilled workers? The unemployment of whites would go down if those said unemployed whites leave the country! How many whites are leaving SA to find work in NZ, Aus, UK and Canada? Less whites, lower unemployment rate, think about it. Also, farm muders down 100%, so no farm attacks in 2010? I doubt that.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 10:59

      If that "farm murders down 100%" statement would have been true, we would never hear the end of it. Adriaan would have referenced this as well in his letter. Instead, I think, he is trying to employ the big lie technique. Also compare that part with the Afrikaans version of this letter. Basson actually contradicts himself a couple of time. His fan club is obviously to stupid to notice.

      mario - 2011-09-26 13:25

      My partner's father was murdered on their farm 2 months ago...

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 14:18

      If he's talking about absolute numbers, it means that there aren't enough farmers anymore to die at that rate.

  • v3 - 2011-09-26 09:57

    Dear Adriaan, Thank you for nailing your green, black & gold colours to the mast. If you think that SA's minorities are being over-alarmist, you should reflect on the results of "nutters" like DF Malan or Strijdom or that German corporal chappie whom many, especially in the British establishment, did not take seriously (thank God a journalist who'd covered the SA War did!) While I think that a total ban on singing a song was overkill and probably unenforceable, I did not hear all the evidence. But Malema and the ANC went too far: had they shown some restraint and less arrogance the outcome of the case would have been different. No-one can claim that chanting "Dubula" at an incendiary rally by a known racist was innocuous and non-incendiary. This was NOT a reunion or nostalgia-fest (Juju was not even in the MK). I agree that 1st prize would be the ANC disciplining Malema immediately (on principle rather than for the Power-Struggle) would have been 1st prize but 2nd prize is better than nothing. "For evil to succeed it is sufficient that good people do nothing". When the good people do do nothing, bad people doing something is better than nobody. Your citing "freedoms" Afrikaners have is denialism worth of Thabo himself. Most racist tyrannies are introduced gradually as Pastor Martin Niemoller found and the apartheid years showed. The neo-apartheid years will be no different if "good people" do nothing.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:05

      If the youth leader of the governing party is calling for the murder of your people, I'd like to know what an "over-alarmist" response would look like?!

  • CherryTree - 2011-09-26 09:59

    Adriaan, thanks for a great article. I too decry Afriforum's tactics as it polarises our society, radicalises Afrikaners, and teaches no one how to build a better future. They make it difficult for me to call myself an Afrikaner as I strive to contribute to making SA a great place to live, because they make the Afrikaner = racist minority association to be top-of-mind.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:57

      @Cherry Tree. Not only is it impossible to call you an Afrikaner, it is hard to find a personality that fits you. Afrikaners hold more than 46 % of post-graduate degrees in South Africa, whilst they only represent 10 % of the population. Therefore presenting personal opinions as facts, in order to put down the most advanced and educated culture group in Africa, is a foreign act to Afrikaners. We ground our arguments on facts, and therefore your contribution is below standard for Afrikaners. Get your school fees back.

      Blake1985 - 2011-09-27 13:06

      @Neo Genocide Need we go into the details as to why that is the case???? Are Afrikaaners intlectually superior to Black Africans or the English South Africans for that matter? Your "FACT" that Afrikaners represent 10% of the countries population is BS so right there you contridicted your whole arguement!

  • AfrikaTsoga - 2011-09-26 10:02

    @Werner.smidt, why not be civil and attack Adriaan's facts (or opinions) rather than him?

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:52

      @Afrika. What facts of Adriaan are you referring to? I assume you are talking about his populist-marxist OPINIONS? Rephrase your question. You are corrupting the language.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:07

      Which facts?

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 14:20

      Ah, finally. See, I don't attack his words, just the veil they were written under. That's all. Apparently, doing so, infuriated a few groupies.

  • Lerato - 2011-09-26 10:05

    i just dont understand y commentors of articles are always arguing and trashing each other than argue facts, stop with all the attack and defence guys, this is an opinion section, lets start debating real issues raised not black vs whites in articles like this but the truth.

      AfrikaTsoga - 2011-09-26 10:31

      Would you please SHOUT that again, Lerato!

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:08

      Oh please, could you show us the "facts" - Especially to his claim that farm murders are "nearly 100% down" and TLU "had to admit to that"?

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:09

      Ok the if you want the black versus white thing to stop,then put pressure on the goverment to stop BEE,aswell as farm mmurders and murders on whites by blacks.It won;t just go away the goverment will have to stop their racisty policies!

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-26 16:08

      How do you debate issues when you do not like them raised, the only thing to do is divert the subject so people can stop focussing on the real issue and spend more time on secondary elements. Owopile kgomo le naka

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-26 16:14

      @GK government should focus on murder in SA not a sectoral or racial group in SA, BEE and EE should continue until grounds are levelled.

  • Misan Thrope - 2011-09-26 10:23

    Brilliant article Adriaan. Very well done. I believe AfriForum has a membership of around 30,000. It's like a small fish in a small pond. I would certainly like my fellow citizens to know that Afriforum does not represent general white sentiment in SA but merely those of a small group of folks that feel threatened. One has to consider that many of the people that comment on this forum are also products of apartheid and have been programmed to think they way they do. They learnt an imbalanced history at school and were fed a steady diet of white superiority for decades. It's going to take a lot to open their eyes. This article is a good start. Thank you so much.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:50

      @misan. If I read you comment, it is sad to see you will never be able to grasp history. Your minority liberal clan, unfortunately relies on emotions and convey them as facts. For you, it is too painful to get a real historical education, and therefore rely on populist-terror history, like the "Turning Points in History" written by an ANC government whose average education was that of a primary school kid. The historians of the Zulus, convey the same message as that of the Afrikaners, and makes your liberal opinions just that: a liberal marxist's opinion.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:12

      @Misan,did you forget that afriforum and Solidariteit are the same.So you will have to include solidarity members aswell in your fake stats.Aswell as VF+ who has the same goals as Afriforum and solidarity,and the vf+ is about 450 000 strong.

      Misan Thrope - 2011-09-26 11:49

      @Neo Genocide – (in reply to your comment and subsequent post hereunder) History is conveyed in a subjective fashion and the facts can be manipulated to represent just about any perspective you wish to communicate. Yours is clear. The Afrikaners are victims? How dare you? I am Afrikaans and I am most definitely not a victim. I reject any notion of painting an Afrikaner as a victim. Your myopic and conservative slant on SA's history is at best that of a political bigot and I therefore dismiss is out of hand. You have much to learn. (I have no idea how you got to "Marxist" when reading my comment. You may want to read up a bit about Marxism and then attempt to reconnect the dots. Have fun.)

  • mario - 2011-09-26 10:27

    Excuse my spelling and grammar I got a massive migraine from reading Mr Basson's letter, the content also made me want to gag!

      Mack - 2011-09-26 10:43

      I guess the truth hurts and is a bit to nauseating for you.

      Eugene - 2011-09-26 11:10

      Again, Mack, what truth, if every paragraph is actually a lie?

      mario - 2011-09-26 13:06

      Mack and that cheese?

  • Serame - 2011-09-26 10:28

    Big-Ups to u Adriaan..u're one in a million, have been questioning myself sum of the matters u highlighted for a few months now..Afriforum in its very own naute and formation is looking for trouble were there isnt..It is a racialy driven organisation and that on its very own is unconstitutional..We've had cases of White on Black attack but Afriforum kept mum on them..We all know that there are economic imbalances between blacks and whites in the country..but Afriforum is not bringing any alternative to the prblm,instead knives are all out against nationalisation debate,We all want the same thingz in life dont we??Its time Afrikaaners constructively came foward to help build this country and not seek to be better than others..

      moreso - 2011-09-26 10:33


      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:15

      Under the official definition of racism Afriforum is not racist!Why play the race card if you do not agree with white people.The are people of different nations and nationalities that will also agree with afriforum!You my friend are the racist!

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:37

      @serame. Liberation before education kept you illiterate. You cannot even gargle the alphabet properly, and is of use only to pervert the British language. Read something, before embarking on a topic, that involves more than one subject taught at university level. You don't want what Afrikaners are getting, or do you? Read or and tell if we can give you some of this? We will gladly oblige, if that is your wish.

  • Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 10:38

    Afrikaner millionaires did so despite the Kitchener curtain of wealth, that was erected by the British, after raping the Afrikaners out of their sovereign country from 1899 to 1901. Thereafter the British set themselves up beyond the Kithener-curtain of wealth in the Norther Suburbs, via Rand Mines Properties which held 24 million hectares of land in Johannesburg, and with extorted gold-wealth set up places like Sandton and the likes. Jan Hofmeyr and Krugersdorp was simultaneously erected as squalid living quarters for the Afrikaners. The economy was monopolized by the British, and institutions like Liberty Life set up in these conditions. Afrikaners could not even hold jobs on British controlled municipalities, and had to either work on mines, extorted from them in a brutal illegal occupation, or make bricks. Why dont you investigate how it was that the northern suburbs was erected for the British, and the squalid condition of Jan Hofmeyr, simutaneously by the British rapists? Or write about the horrors of the sex-camps for Afrikaners, which was so horrifying, it was kept secret up until 1987, when deceptive contact with the ANC was initiated? Ask more intelligent questions and you might get a worthwhile historical education. Thereafter you will be able to produce articles not based on your deplorable and perverted liberal emotions.

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:18

      Thank Neo-Geonicide,someone with some sense.And after the british left the afrikaner did not once blame the british for being poor.They worked hard to build themselves up and did not use the british as an excuse,for not being wealthy or for their suffering after the british was defeated!

      Misan Thrope - 2011-09-26 12:52

      @ Neo Genocide. Geez. Do you have piles of fertilizer in the garage? I am usually quite open to opinions that differ from mine but you're just plain creepy dude. You need help Nazi boy.

  • Alpha - 2011-09-26 10:39

    Interesting article. The only issue have with your article is that the group is called AfriForum: Afrikaner Forum. Their goal is the protection and advancement of the Afrikaner culture/nation. Why do you have a problem with this? Yes. They focus only on matters concerning Afrikaners. They have never tried to deny or hide this. There are similar groups stating that they are doing the same for black people. They are just not as good at it as Afriforum ;-)

  • adrianverasmus - 2011-09-26 10:41

    I cannot agree more, I spend most of my time travelling as a consultant in the rest of Africa. I am totally astounded by the apparent racial harmony in countries such as the DRC who suffered under the Belgians, and who today speak their language, adopted their religion and where many Belgian decendants still live happily. I have visited many towns where the last murder can not be remembered, where people treat one another with respect. Sierra Leone where South African expats have been welcomed, and people who can't do enough to maje your visit an happy and memorable one. Uganda, where when walking in the streets on Kampala you shall be mistaken for thinking you are in SA with all the familiar brands that surround you. I have observed people socially as well where it is a non-event for a white male to walk into a night club. I have worked in many SA townships as well, and can attest to the fact that the crime rate is much higher than in the 'white' neigbourhoods. I am not saying to forgive and forget, but we must forgive and learn from the past...we must address the hate in our country, reach out to one will be surprised with goodwill that actually is just under the service of this beautiful country. There is not going to be a Vierkleur flying again, wake up and accept that we are all Africans...and if you don't like it buy your plot in Orania...for this country needs people with a positive mindset, we don't need politicians creating division!

      Gk - 2011-09-26 11:21

      @Adrianverasmus,do not forget that a mass slaughter of whites took place in Belgium Congo many years ago.So please get your facts straight.The whites where attacked in their houses during the night and slaughtered by their thousands in the Congo.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:27

      @adrian. You are talking about the same Sierra Leone, where the terrorist kids, called the Jeunesse, ate the faces of their white victims, whilst still alive? leaving only the eyes? And the Congo, which saw more than 5 million killed in four years of war? And you call those slums home, I presume?

  • Skilpop - 2011-09-26 11:12

    Spot on Adriaan, you can't fight fire with fire.

  • Nkutist - 2011-09-26 11:32

    What a powerful article, amazing and hard hitting. So much truth in everything he's saying. Afriforum wants to benefit a small group of individuals and not the mass population. They are basically no different from some members of the ANC and the childish ANCLY. Powerful words... We need to find a solution to benefit us all not just a few. We live in a muticultural society and its about time we all try getting along. Its the only way OUR country can move foward!!!

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:42

      @Nkutist. Problem is you perceive truth through a pipe. Only that which you like is 'truth'. And that makes your comment, only an emotion, unfortunately. Read more truth at and then try again.

      Nkutist - 2011-09-26 11:56

      Dude you seem to be fighting everyone that opposes your ideals. What you don't seem to realise is that we are rallying behind the author because we believe he makes some valid points.. You clearly seem to know it all and that thinking won't get you far.... Dude all articles are some1's perspective on an idea. I just checked out that website and i think its total crap. Its there to highlight a "disadvantaged" leftist "white" mans idea of south africa. There isn't much fact in what their saying either!!! So how about you hop off that high horse of yours and try acknowledge what people are trying to achieve. We agree that there are racists in the country, both white and black. What we want is to see the country going forward and that won't happen if people keep on blaming colour for all thats wrong with the country. Lets come up with valid solutions and stop creating more problems... Some of you guys look like a bunch of kids bickering, always issuing blame and never taking any responsiblilty. The basic idea of any argument is to consider both side and make valid points based on that. It isn't an argument is you just say waht you want and rubbish the other persons comments!!

  • gvballito - 2011-09-26 11:39

    Being a white male in my late 30's I should be a candidate for AfriForum membership, but there seems to be an "old South Africa" feel about Afriforum. I'm speculating, as I stopped following them, trying to avoid them actually, after seeing AfriForum posters outside a courtcase of a black man accused of a voilent crime. The AfriForum branded posters read "Give him bail, we're waiting for him". Please explain this slogan to me, if I misunderstood, but I doubt it. As far as the rest of the comments are concerned, I am once again astonshished at the amount of hateful, racist junk everyone uses this platform for. Unbelievable.

      Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 11:48

      @"Gert". I presume you did not attend the court case at Lindley, after 3 year old Willemientjie Potgieter and her family was massacred? She was held at arms length, and then shot execution style in the back of the head. Don't patronize people and portray yourself in false philantropic 'attendance of court case' scenarios. If you do attend court cases, attend all of them, and speak with authority, and not cheap, liberal, marxist-genocidaire jargon. You are just pro-white Afrikaner genocide. And your false Afrikaans names fools no-one. It only feeds your scizophrenic dream world.

      Alex - 2011-09-26 18:20

      Gert did you rather want to give this criminal who is accused of voilent crime a kiss. The Bible clearly states and eye for an eye. Not an eye for a kiss from Gert.

      Kevin King - 2011-09-26 20:24

      @ Neo Genocide: And that baby was one of the LUCKY ones!!!

  • Royal_Bee - 2011-09-26 11:41

    Good point!!

  • Ayoba - 2011-09-26 11:45

    So much truth in this article. Thanks. Unfortunately this type of articles constitutes 1% of those published on News24. Hope this is the beginning of such fair articles.

      nontando.mkhize - 2011-09-26 12:33

      Neo Genocide... u seriously have a problem dude... u are emotionally unstable and believe everyone is out to get you... u refuse to read, understand and consider anyone else's argument thoroughly and subjectively... you are of the belief you are so smart and well informed but don't realize that you are the bigger fool for failing to accept other views. you are so quick to attack... for once i urge you to read, stop and think then maybe you will see truth in some people's views... you are so obsessed with your afrikaaner ideologies and beliefs that you chose to cloud the facts... You are such a victim neh... boo whoo poor you... i think you need to book yourself for therapy and take your friend GK with you so u both can cry and hold each other's hands since you both such victims of the supposedly rainbow nation...

  • Lo - 2011-09-26 11:50

    According to Adriaan Basson Jews in germany were not victims because jews were among the wealthiest and best educated people in the nation. Events like Kristallnacht are justified in Basson's eyes because some jews insisted on being jewish first and german second. What a shining example of principled and coherent reasoning mister basson is.

      Greegs - 2011-09-26 13:51

      Hear hear!

      werner.smidt - 2011-09-26 17:44

      Like Spyker May said: "SELF-SERVING DENIAL"

  • Iron John - 2011-09-26 12:07

    A pretty agenda-laden rationale, albeit largely naive. Do you really think ANC exiles during apartheid thought of themselves as South Africans first, and then as blacks thereafter? I'm sure you'll say the circumstances are different, but then you bring in judgement. Who are any of us to judge the plight of others? And whether skin colour must come last in these?

  • litefeather - 2011-09-26 12:17

    are you really a ass editor??i agree with reporters need to be shut up for good,you suck things out your thumbs and ramble ill researced articles into the public ears,your article is solid proof of that!!!

  • cr1t - 2011-09-26 12:33

    Good point but I understood that AfriForum wanted to come to a settlement outside court by the ANC and it's youth league did not want to meet them.

      Lacri - 2011-09-27 10:37

      What settlement did they propose?

  • Neo Genocide - 2011-09-26 12:36

    @Khoisand Ex: Debates and arguments is the realm of educated Afrikaners. With a little bit of luck and 2000 years living with the gospel and it's acceptance, your descendants might taste the fruit of an educated an open mind. But until then you will have to rely on your animistic beliefs and cannibal behaviors. If the ANC has only 1 million members, and they get 16 million votes, does it mean they are STILL cheating at the polls?

  • Firstname Lastname - 2011-09-26 12:36

    This argument is based solely on finances. This too, is a "very narrow definition... to define minorities." Sensational and superficial writing such as this does not serve to strengthen your case. Sure, perhaps Afriforum isn't fighting everybody's struggles, but at least they are trying to do something to make a difference to some people. I mean... something more than writing open letters in News24. Taking cheap shots at those who are actually willing to stand up and speak against what's wrong in the world, isn't the best way to contribute to the overall struggle for collective improvement. You have such a big issue with jobs and finances, but at the end of the day, you must employ the best man for the job. Whether the employee is black, white, asian, american, blue, pink... makes no difference. The most qualified, most competent and most reliable worker is the one who should get the job, and get paid what he or she is worth. We must stop rewarding lazy and substandard behaviour just to fill a quota, as this is the cause of economic problems that affect us all.

  • K_za - 2011-09-26 12:40 Level 6 upgraded 15 September 2011. Explain young Master Basson! No, I am not Afrikaans.

      Lanfear - 2011-09-26 13:58

      Oh please! I am so sick and tired of these sensationalist shock tactics. Perhaps we should to the same with ALL crime in the country, then you will see some shocking things! Not only whites or farmers are being murdered! In fact, more blacks are being murdered and raped than whites. Oh and I know what the comments will be, that the "perpetrators are mostly black". So what?! So you will be less angry if a white man rapes and murders your daughter [ala Sheldine] than if a black man did it? And the next comment of course, "we whites don't go murder the blacks". But we used to, and there are many more blacks in the poverty/crime/gangs equation than whites. No people, the "only in Africa" and genocide comments are getting thin, from both sides of the fence [i.e. the many blacks claiming historical genocide are just as wrong].