Whites and apartheid - Really?

2011-08-15 08:00

Peet van Aardt

I, as a white person, benefitted from apartheid and I still do.

There, it’s off my chest! After I declared this on my Facebook profile I put on my recently bought Springbok World Cup 2011 jacket and went for a walk down the street. I entered a restaurant and ordered a coffee. Decaf.

I expected something to happen.

I don’t know if I thought the walls would come crashing down, or the pothole in the street would widen and an army of men dressed in red would climb out and go on the rampage. Hell, maybe I thought Dan Roodt and seven men dressed in khaki would bash through the door, abduct me and drive off in two double-cab Hilux bakkies.

Nothing happened.

The waitress came and asked if everything was OK. When I yelled "Yes!" she raised an eyebrow and retreated behind the counter. She was merely enquiring if I'd like another cup of coffee - black or white?

Race debate

Desmond Tutu’s reported "attack" on whites last week erupted into another race debate. Some white people apparently lost their respect for the Emeritus Archbishop because he dared to utter the words: “Our white fellow citizens have to accept the obvious: You all benefitted from apartheid. But that does not mean that all are responsible for apartheid.”

Other commentators praised him for saying what all the blacks have supposedly been feeling all this time.

The underlying message from both sides, though, was that "the one still hates the other".

I dare say the majority of people commenting on Tutu’s remark did not listen to his lengthy speech in its entirety. It was delivered during a book launch at the Stellenbosch Institute for Advanced Study (Stias). What the white bashers who jumped on the ox wagon fail to mention in their mini revolt against Tutu is that he started his speech by first thanking everyone in Afrikaans, and even cracked a joke in Afrikaans. He also had some very harsh words for them fat cat politicians in their expensive cars.

Desmond Tutu did not express any hatred towards whites. If there was ever a man who did not hate, I think it’s safe to say it is the man from Vilakazi Street.

Nor did Tutu tell a lie about the whites.

We did all benefit from apartheid. And we still do.

Time to wipe the slate clean?

A friend of mine illustrated it perfectly: If one part of society had the opportunity to attend schools where the teachers weren’t striking most of the time, if they could study with electricity instead of next to candle light, and if they could afford to go to university (albeit with loans or extreme financial sacrifice), buy clothes in shopping malls and spend holidays at some lovely destination (some in their holiday homes), then yes, that part of society had been privileged by the system that made it possible.
And that part of the population was white.

But today, 17 years into democracy - is it not time to wipe the slate clean and regard everyone as equal, another friend of mine asked? (Enter that Microsoft advert where the people browse on their cell phones when they should be engaging in more constructive things; that one where they keep on asking: Really!?)

Thus the answer is simple: No.

Because 17 years into the New South Africa means that the first generation of "equals" haven’t even finished school yet. And the vast majority of their parents are still on an unequal level, and so too their grandparents and in some cases their great grandparents.

Three hundred and fifty years of inequality cannot be fixed in 17 years. And it should not be expected that those who were oppressed now all of a sudden forget about the past. We cannot "get over apartheid" and so we shouldn't. It happened, fo' sho'.

Make peace with the past

What I do believe we should do is make peace with the past: Whites did benefit from apartheid and as long as we own our second properties on the coast, as long as we occupy the majority of top positions in business, have our own alternative to public transport and as long as there are coffee shops and restaurants with almost exclusively white patrons, we still do.

I’m proud to be white. I will not apologise for what happened in the past, because it is in the past. I do, however, admit that it was wrong and that I came off better than millions of other people. I also hang my head in shame for the way us whites try to nullify the past. It happened. Admit it, accept it and get over it. Like Tutu said: It does not mean that it was all our fault.

A word to the wise though: do not interpret the criticism of one group’s way of dealing with reality as approval of how another segment is dealing with it. South Africa is not doing as well as it should. Some people in government are ridiculously incompetent and their focus seems to be on the wrong things.

And even though there’s nothing new about a corrupt person in power, we should not resort to the notion of two wrongs making a right.

'Crippled by guilt'

I just fear that such an evil standard was set during apartheid, that it is impossible to move away from it just yet. And yes, that system of screwing over others for personal gain was implemented by us whites in the past. But some of us can’t admit to it. We keep on pointing fingers at the faults in the current regime.

Tutu said it best: "Some are crippled by shame and guilt and respond with self-justification or indifference."

Amen, tata. We whites clearly don’t understand the consequences of apartheid.

Now, let me order another coffee and keep an eye on that pothole and the restaurant door...

- Peet van Aardt is the Community Editor of Follow him on Twitter.

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  • Andrea - 2011-08-15 08:13

    lucid. wish we could all just 'get' it.

      Henk - 2011-08-15 11:06

      350 year inequality my arse! Go read your history! It's not about the 17 years, its what could and should have been done in 17 years! We have said sorry enough, sorry won't make it better and White Tax even less. Tax the Fat Black Cats. We have been paying tax so they can squander it by the millions!Malema should say Sorry for his big fat house, Zuma should say sorry for his arms deal. The list goes on and on....

      Henk - 2011-08-15 12:04

      Can Mr. Tutu please tell us what this White Tax will be used for? Would this be used for better roads? An N1 without tolling? Better Hospitals where babies don’t die because of lack of care? a Better Police Force where everybody gets protection. A better Law system? More Jails? Better water and sanitation? Better Municipal service? A Better Education and School System? The last time I checked Mr. Tutu the Whites created all these things during Apartheid. What have your government done with the billions of Rands in assets that you received after 1994. Can that be exchanged to for White Tax Money?

      York Hunt - 2011-08-15 12:15

      Learn a new word today: "RE-PARTHEID" Definition: A racial social system whereby the ANC uses the premise that ALL whites (living, dead and still to be born) are responsible for the 60+ year system of apartheid. This premise gives the ANC full right to; plunder the country's resources with impunity, blame all incompetence on apartheid, implement blatant racist labour and taxation practices and instigate hate crime with songs like "Kill the Boer". "RE-PARTHEID"

      Jet master - 2011-08-15 12:20

      This ass is a waist of white skin. Benefit??? are you kidding. Our african brothers are picked before us when it comes to jobs because of their skin colour. They get picked for sports teams because we have to have so many of each colour in the team when it suits them? I did not take part in Apartheid so why should I suffer. its fine because in 5 more years I'm going to apply for jobs and when they say previously disadvantaged I'm going to say "hey they talking about me". guess what if you make white tax and separate people by colour you will never have a rainbow nation you idiot.

      ConcernedMom - 2011-08-15 12:23

      @ Andrea, I agree. @ Drukkie - what the hell has that got to do with it - grow up

      Melanie Walsh - 2011-08-15 12:36

      @DoubleSalmon. Hitler also improved infrastructure and certain peoples lives in Germany. Doesn't make killing a vast amount of Jewish people right. Germany and it's population are probably still paying for what happened. White people will have to wait at least another 2 generations for black people to be on the same level economically. The kids that are now finishing their high school will be the parent and grandparents of the economically equal. So yes we need to fight corruption and bad government , but blaming the average black man for not appreciating what he has is unjust.

      York Hunt - 2011-08-15 12:54

      Peet, you seem to have some level of education. Question for you; "Where the f#ck do you get 350 years of inequality?" Explain that to us plebs please! If you are simply using basic algebra to subtract 2011-1652 to arrive at +/- 350 years. Well your algebra is about right (right answer would be 359). But it seems you don't know the history of SA, Peet. Did Van Riebeeck arrive here and immediately exploit all the blacks of SA and instititute Apartheid? 350 years? Total rubbish!!!

      Delarey - 2011-08-15 13:18

      Peet,once you are done with your coffee take your head out of your nether regions and go and get a history lesson as well as a lesson in African politics in the last hundred, never mind three hundred years. Its misguided twits like you that have ably assisted Africa in getting to where it is today i.e. in a cesspool of its own making. Sadly all the signs are there that SA is going the same way!

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 13:28

      @ York, are you implying van Riebeeck was all for equality? Come on! van Riebeeck and the VOC brought in slaves! The Apartheid was just implicit back then.

      Donovan Jackson - 2011-08-15 13:52

      Mr van Aardt. You didn't benefit from apartheid. You benefited from the efforts of your forebears to do everything they could to give you the best chance in life. That's what Europeans have always done - it is part of their culture.

      paul.eccles1 - 2011-08-15 13:54

      @Donovan, so where does Apartheid fit into your view, or do we just leave that bit out?

      Ldn_saffa - 2011-08-15 13:58

      If what Peet says is that significant then the Spanish owe South America a huge apology and compensation? And not forgetting what the Romans owe the British and large areas in Europe?? First thing the Brits should demand from Rome is repairs to 'Hadrians Wall' because the Scotts are still getting in to England. OMG where will it stop??!!

      paul.eccles1 - 2011-08-15 14:05

      We're talking about recent history here, Apartheid only ended 20 years ago.

      York Hunt - 2011-08-15 14:08

      @Mr Eccles. No. What I am implying is that South Africa has not had institutionalised inequality for 350 years as was inferred in Peet's rather subjective article. A 350 year old system of inequality that I and my fellow white brethren are supposed to be guilty of and responsible for. Wake up!

      Russ - 2011-08-15 14:18

      @ Andrea - I regularly read racists comments on news24, and I must agree with you: I wish we could all just 'get' it. Get that whites have and still do benefit from unearned priviledge. Get that apartheid will disadvantage people for generations to come. Get that Malema and his supporters get stronger and more vocal because enough people are not 'getting' it fast enuf. Awesome article, Peet.

      Trêvhir - 2011-08-15 14:35

      Food for thought to Peet and Andrea, the only difference between the old and the new unequal system is education. The first one had it and the second one never have it. Let that feed your guilt OK.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-15 15:22

      When people make statements about the naughty whites, could they at least distinguish between the locals and the expats - a lot of us came AFTER apartheid and therefore couldn't possibly have been responsible for anything! I came here in 2001, the ANC owes me squat (just as well because squat is all they give) and I owe the ANC squat. Still, I'm white so no doubt I'm responsible for something or other that I didn't do, and if someone has racial intent, they don't ask me "before we trash you whites, have you lived here before 1994?". Nope - they see a white guy and assume the rest... which, may I add, is RACIST... Besides my own disposition though, Tutu is still a pr*ck. JZ is useless and Juju needs some lead.

      blanco_pta - 2011-08-15 15:26

      Do u think we should say thanks for brutal killing our brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers for defying the white rule and claiming their rights as humans? If you guys cared to watch the Truth and Reconciliation Commission just after liberation of this country, you will understand the extent of damage caused by the apartheid and the pain it brought to black people. I don’t want to sidetrack the point made here by Peete and dig in history, but I think many of the white people are failing to understand that we blacks sacrificed a lot and suppressed a lot of anger to be able accept whites as fellow citizens in south Africa. I am one of the people who personally and physically experienced the anguish and cruelty of apartheid and it is and will never be easy to forget. However, I believe in Madiba’s vision of the rainbow nation. I still believe we all need to stay together and make good of our nation for the sake of our next generations, white or black.

      brown_bread - 2011-08-15 16:33

      Hey david, all you see blacks do is rape, steal, etc? You must really get your head out of your @rse because there is a whole lot of us doing a much better job than you probably do. And im 26 too. The mere fact that you even generalize says a lot about you.I would be ashamed to put blanket statements like that forward. Basically what the author was trying to say was exactly that, dont judge a whole group. I never voted anc, I am paying loans for my studies (I dont blame anybody because my parents didnt have money, so I needed to borrow to study because I saw it as an investment into my future). I work 12 hour days everyday to balance my work and further studies, and you come here and tell me that all you see black people do is steal and rape? Are you kidding me?!?! Get your head out of your backside man, you will live longer with all the oxygen out here in the open!!

      The Wonderer - 2011-08-15 17:25

      I'm just wondering, apartheid streched from 1948 to 1994, a period of 46 years. It's 17 years down the line and almost every day something is blamed on apartheid. So does this mean we'll have to listen to the apartheid blame game for the remaining 29 years??? For me BBEE & AA is a form of blatant racism in the face of us white guys, but I don't sit around and harp on how unfair this is, I CHOOSE to move forward and create my own future. Right now I've got NO job, struggling my behind off trying to get something, but hell, my skin color is wrong. Everything I know today, I taught myself, I couldn't afford to go to a university. NO, I CHOOSE to move forward and make a bloody plan, because this government isn't looking out for me, I have to. I say, the sooner those individuals deal with it, accept what happened seeing that they can't change it, the better & bloody will move on!! You are the only person to blame for playing the victim, period.

      oistar - 2011-08-15 18:18

      Oh for pities sake people, I think we all know that whites benefited but why do you turn a blind eye to facts the blacks are benefiting from the infrastructure, communication, development etc that now exist for you. yes we benefited, but now you are so just get on with it and stop whining. what more do you want us to do ... and in that case, why can't you do it for yourselves. Damn it, people, grow up. It is up to you to change the perceptions that we have of you, but your continual expecting the whites to give everything up to you is not going to make you any better than what you currently are, poor, undignified, senseless, beggerman thieves. Sorry for the generalisation, it certainly does not apply to all black people, but there definatly are plenty that this does apply to and many of them troll these sites daily.

      Donovan Jackson - 2011-08-15 21:39

      @Paul Eccles: Chap, the history of the world is defined by the domination of the strong over the weak. As others have pointed out, there needs to be a lot more hand wringing, wailing and gnashing of teeth if every oppressor has to apologise to every oppressed. I know you liberal, hippy types are not too keen on hard principles, but just think about it for a bit and I am sure you will have to agree: the principle is not bound by time limits. Bottom line: Well done Africans, you won. The victor isn't supposed to be such a whiny bitch, so get on with Africanising the country without blaming the white man when it gets worse, not better. I mean, what do you expect, really? There's ample evidence of what happens when Africans are in charge all over Sub Saharan Africa and even elsewhere in the world. That's not to say anyone should criticise that, either. It's just the way the African rules (for he does not govern). And 'If you are ashamed to stand by your colors you better seek another flag'. There is little to be proud of as a South African.

      Donovan Jackson - 2011-08-15 21:59

      @ Paul Eccles - Think about this, too. What should the white man have done when he found people who to all intents and purposes appeared a little behind the times? (Not just in Africa, but worldwide) Treat them as an equal? Leave him be? Institute a system which attempts to civilize him to some extent? Give him far better education, healthcare and infrastructure than he had ever had before? This is a serious question - I really would like to know what you reckon our forebears should have done. Should they not have explored the world in the first place? If that's the case, they might as well not have left their caves or banged any rocks together. Damn these pesky principles, hey bud.

      ReThan - 2011-08-16 08:10

      All of you are tripping. Who cares what happened in the past? Past is History? you don't see the Germans crying about Hitler? or the Jews crying about the Nazis? All you black people should ctach a wake up and move on in life and worry about the future for all of us! All you worry about is stealing, raping, corruption, feeling sorry for yourself and least of all, BEING SHEEP!

      david - 2011-08-16 08:50

      @brown_bread tell that to my car that has mysteriously vanished, my electricity that also vanishes when "someone" takes the copper off those poles? no maybe you should ask my neighbor that was raped if she can recall a good deed. they forced a fist into her mouth so she could not scream. or no, why not ask the 23 other neighbors that used to live in our farming district, oh wait, i forgot, they were murdered! so no still can't recall a good deed. and before you go a and say i'm just your everyday racist white farmer, think about this. my mother opened the first multi-racial school in south africa, she was closed down 5 times before 94. both my parents voted anc in 94. when my mother got sick, my brothers and i went to live with our coloured foreman for 3months. i was brought up and was as liberal as it gets. the actions of your brethren are the reason i now think the way i do. actions speak louder than words.

      daaivarksetier - 2011-08-16 09:06

      The RE-PARTHEID now in the New SA is worse than it was back in the so called apartheid era where whites rule. There was almost no rape cases, no house breaking, no murders, all the streets, parks beaches and holiday destinations was in good clean condition. Johannesburg was CLEAN and there as NO RUBBISH on the side walks. I am not for apartheid I know it was wrong, but just get my point it is not better. Crime is a problem now in SA since 1994, 89 murders per day these days in SA is at such a rate now that SA is considered as one of the most dangerous countries in the WORLD. Parks look like dump sites, all you all drive luxury cars wish tax payers buy for you. Raping small children and woman is a daily thing, 500 000 (half a million) woman and children in SA annually, every 17 seconds a woman or child gets rape, in SA a woman is more likely to get raped than learning to read. And you call this the freedom country the land of milk and Honey. Well excuse me you retard if you call the better land now than back in the day prior 1994 you are IQ robbed and pig mentally ill just like all you all, the whole ANC and followers. Deals like the Gautrain and 2010 Soccer staduims are done so you all can pocket money and buy those cars and houses of yours, again tax money, now there is no more money making schemes, no this National Health Insurance,Toll gate's,Nationalizing of mines,so all of you can pocket money again. You all think we are stupid and blind like all of you,guess again!

      scotman - 2011-08-16 09:22

      Aagh, yet another useless article that just feeds Malema and his fellowship. Apartheid was created because they knew black and white differ so much that it is impossible for the average person to understand! Our brains work completely different. You can argue till the sun comes up, but the facts stay the same - according to blacks we should hand over companies etc too them because of apartheid, but they would have never created those companies and wealth in the first place! If they wanted a society like in Europe, they would have created one by now. Its always interesting to see the things they buy are all European stuff, not African cultural things. So my point is - this article is useless. Some of them hate us, but silently they want to be like us.

      John - 2011-08-16 10:28

      That compilation was all politically correct....but complete hogwash. Firstly: If whites benefited from superior education....who did the educating ? they educated themselves. If the indigenous wanted to, they could have invented all that the Europeans invented, and they could have taught themselves. Nobody stopped the indigenous from furthering themselves !!!! Whites drove fancy cars, yes....but they designed, engineered and built them for themselves - they did not fall off the trees for the whites. The indigenous can only blame themselves and their ancestors for not developing themselves

      Colin - 2011-08-16 11:28

      Did whites benefit from apartheid, no actually they benefited from HARD WORK. Something people seems incapable of understanding, they worked payed tax and did not burn down their schools so they got a good education. Blacks had no schools until we came and then they burned down the ones we gave them. They did not pay taxes so why was the old government obliged to give them free quality schools when they were unwilling and incapable of contributing equally to society

      The-Iceman - 2011-08-16 12:41

      @Henk you are an ignorant white person who thinks apartheid did more good than bad. you are in denial. the problem with white people like you is that you view social equality between blacks and whites as heresy and think things should remain unequal so you can get an unfair advantage. 16 year old white kids are driving around in brand new cars while 60 year old black men are riding on the train. is this fair in your eyes? Wake up and accept the situation as it is!

      Colin - 2011-08-16 13:06

      iceman the 16 year old's father paid for the car and his tax money paid for the train also so not its not fair

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-08-16 13:38

      there's only the human race. we are all one.

      Colin - 2011-08-16 13:46

      no optimus we are not

      alyn.adams - 2011-08-16 16:48

      No Henk, go read YOUR history. Preferably one that was published within the last 20 years...

      Theuns - 2011-08-16 18:50

      I wish they could get off this horse. I live in a country where slavery was stop a 100 years ago and They still cry about it although they are better off than their brothers in Africa due to the support frm Europe. So pls...

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-08-16 19:55

      I don't think most white people have a problem with the number 350 years of inequality. What is a problem is government using it as an excuse to not deliver for the next 333 years. Like the writer said, how can you redress such inequality in 17 years? Not with corruption you can't. Not with idiotic policies you won't. Not by alienating your investors you won't. Apartheid was wrong, but you truly cannot live in the past. Imagine you are not delivering in you job, and you told your boss you cannot perform to expectations because 20 years ago your parents were oppressed? What were they thinking before the first democratic elections, promising people free houses when they didn't even have jobs to maintain them? Did they think the money was going to magically appear? Much as it is painful to accept, the past is truly gone. This longing for revenge most politicians have is not going to get us anywhere.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 06:55

      I notice when Tutu criticised Zuma he was praised and called a legend. Now that he criticises hwite south africans he gets spat on. SA whites cannot take criticism that is why the always land up in a mess.

      Henk - 2011-08-17 12:41

      @SLK, our maid is a Shack Dweller and we help her as much as we can. I feel sorry for black People living in poverty. I am not sorry because I am white.

      Henk - 2011-08-17 12:49

      @ Alyn.Adams. So we oppressed Dingaan and the Shaka Kingdom and all the Xhosas that stole the Afrikaner cattle cross the Vis River? Maybe you should not read history written by the ANC.....

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-22 06:10

      Are you saying affirmative action should have been implemented 350 years ago because whites were more advanced when they set foot on the Cape and that whites are therefore guilty for being more advanced? If whites should have shared their wealth and technology 350 years ago, why didn't blacks share their land? I don't see the ubuntu brotherly love existing 350 years ago...If you can't buy land in South Africa - then you are being oppressed yes / no?

  • Expat - 2011-08-15 08:15

    BRILLIANT Peet! You said it exactly as it is.

      jjhvan - 2011-08-15 10:51

      So why don't you come back and face your guilt?

      kolobe - 2011-08-15 10:55

      Peet van Aardt have you always stayed in sa?

      Howzitekse - 2011-08-15 11:08

      Thanks Peet for a bit of honesty - like a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately, appartheid is alive and well and living in South Africa. Most people are mentally to lazy to step back and look at the big picture. It is much easier to respond based purely to personal needs and veiw everybody who is not like you as a threat - like a dumb animal.

      cliffarc - 2011-08-15 12:25

      - And while all this guilt trip about apartheid rages on ,the corrupt Anc elite are chuckling away , living in luxury and spending their loot.Whites are as guilty over their percieved benefits from apartheid as the Anc thieves are about their crimes. Hypocritical double standards.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 13:24

      > So Peet is saying that it’s just our fault because we have a white skin!? No, he's saying that you benefitted from it.

      Delarey - 2011-08-15 13:29

      Expat, and you are commenting from where? You have to be a monumental moron to firstly call yourself that with obvious pride and secondly to have the cheek to throw stones from whatever 'safe' place you might be sitting in. Why don't you rather take your yellow-belly and go fly a kite with your Boet Peet!

      RFreeThinker - 2011-08-15 23:49

      Paul Eccles, one can't make such generalisations. Some people benefited, some people did not. Each case is different. To suggest all whites benefited is to perpetuate hate speech and racism. Sorry we don't need that.

      Koos Kamo - 2011-08-16 04:32

      The coward again come back here you live before making comments you moral and physical coward

      Expat - 2011-08-16 09:53

      @Delarey - Sometimes....the light you see at the end of the tunnel, is an oncoming train. We saw the light....and got the heck out of it's way. (And yes, by free choice, we now DO contribute to a charity that helps the poor in South Africa) - PROUDLY Expat

      Poll - 2011-08-16 13:28

      jou MA, expat

      Delarey - 2011-08-17 17:27

      I am sure no one is missing you Expat old chap. Having said that no one should begrudge you that you packed your bags and left but what you have no right to do is spew nonsense from a distance nor feel that you are so much cleverer than those that stayed behind BY CHOICE and are trying to make things work unlike you! “Proudly Expat”, is that a new nationality? Sitting in your distant miserable chair looking for reasons to pat yourself on the back for leaving is pathetic. You contribute to a charity to help the poor people in SA? What charity? To help the poor, destitute whites in the white slums of Gauteng? Or to help some EVEN POORER now blacks in spite of 17yrs of ANC rule? You really should mind your own business now that you have left and you have nothing constructive and remote intelligent to add. You flying that kite yet twit?

      Delarey - 2011-08-17 17:27

      B.T.W. Before a get a deluge of rabid vitriol from all and sundry please note that this is in no way an attack on all expats. Have a great evening wherever you might be. Except you of course “Proudly Expat”.

  • Peek - 2011-08-15 08:19

    350 years ?

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 08:34

      umm did you think the original white settlers wanted equality for all races LOL, they still had slaves!

      Chantal - 2011-08-15 08:45

      Technically it was 342 years where non-white people had no say in how this country was run. 6 April 1652 until 27 April 1994. Only one generation of people in that time were not subjected to either slavery or apartheid. And even that generation cannot claim equality.

      Leon - 2011-08-15 08:59

      voortrekkers only moved north in 1830's/1840's, so thats 170/180 years, not 350. Can also argue that political and economical exlusion only commenced in 1910, as per the kodesa agreement used for land claims, also the birth of the anc in reaction to that exclusion. still, if afrikaners complain about the effects of the boer war 110 years later, they can't claim 17 was enough to rid apartheid evils.

      kustachenko - 2011-08-15 10:44

      @Snoek, Really, only 500 died!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      Tony McGregor - 2011-08-15 10:46

      @snoek - where on earth do you get a figure of only 500 who died as a result of apartheid? The number of blacks killed as a result of apartheid is an order of magnitude greater than the number of women and children who died in the concentration camps. And after Union when the so-called "poor white" problem emerged the government made huge efforts to uplift them - an affirmative action programme rather greater than what the ANC government has done since 1994. Which is why the Public Service was overwhelmingly staffed by Afrikaans speaking people, a process which intensified after 1948. @chantal - quite right. There were some blacks who had voting rights in the old Cape Colony for a few years, but the qualifications required to get the vote were so high as to exclude most and the small number who did qualify were not in a position to have much influence. I think this article is great - thanks Peet van Aardt.

      Lawgirl - 2011-08-15 11:04

      The first segregation legislation was in fact enacted about 1866 by Lord Grey if I remember correctly during British rule. The discrimination systems were properly in place by 1910 on unification and apparent Afrikaner rule (the British crown still had a bid say in SA until 1961). Ghandi's civil rights movement in South Africa was from 1893 to 1914, thus waaaay before unification. I'm not justifying Apartheid, it was wrong, I firmly believe that, but I also believe South African needs a hell of a lot of perspective. Things were screwed up a long time before Verwoerd or the NP and in 1652 the Khoisan lived in the Cape, the Xhosas we're only met quite a few years after that at the Fish River... Isn't it time to just move the hell on? Get over the past because you will always stay behind if you keep on living in it. Just look at the USA, things are still not entirely right there either, but the blacks that decided to move on and forget the slavery past soared and achieved great things...

      David - 2011-08-15 11:54

      Whites were simply a more organised tribe..... slavery is still huge in this day and age, history is all about the strong taking over the weak, nothing has ever changed except the first world countries use money to take over and enslave...apartheid happened, I was too young so it is in fact history just like when Shaka wiped out many opposing tribes.

      Lawgirl - 2011-08-15 12:02

      And as a matter of complete interest, the British government has till today, 15 August 2011, not apologised for the concentration camps, in fact they blame the death toll (e.g. 50% of the Boer child population died of starvation, disease and exposure in the concentration camps) on the boer's 'poor hygiene' (like they had access to medicine, soap, water, food, warmth...). They also never paid a guilt debt, they were never austricised or disadvantaged for their 'past injustices', I'm not aware of any "Oh, you're from British decent, you can't get the job" policies...

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 12:37

      Tony, the security forces caused 518 deaths. Fact according to the TRC. Where did you get your astronomical figures from? The rest of the killings were Inkatha, Azapo etc. infighting. I do admit that over 20 000 people was killed during the apartheid years. This is 400 per year. Not bad compared to the 20 000 murders per year currently.

      Upscale - 2011-08-15 13:39

      @lawgirl. Its good to say lets move on. Indeed we must move on, that is if no one is trying to hack you down. Surely, with that perspective on history, the demand for all to manage and think like we attended Harvard or Wits are rather misplaced. The concepts leant at the University of the Venda must be given time to cut deep and mature. Moreover, the judge is he who is hoping that you fail and knowing your background has this guilt verdict ready and waiting.You dont meet the grade .. really?

      YuSsiE - 2011-08-15 14:03

      @ David...nail on head bra!

      Delarey - 2011-08-15 14:33

      Tony, don't embarrass yourself by making stupid comments like “The number of blacks killed as a result of apartheid is an order of magnitude greater than the number of women and children who died in the concentration camps.” Firstly see WHO was doing the killing you imbecile and when. Your grasp on history is obviously as firm as Peet’s. No amount of killing is acceptable but please don’t compare the barbaric murdering and persecution of a relatively small nation by the British money hungry warmongers (jingoists if you prefer), dear Percy Fitzpatrick the pathetic owner of poor JOCK being one of them, to the deaths that happened during the apartheid era. The racism displayed by the barbaric murder of farmers (amongst other innocent SA’s) was not prevalent even during the darkest days of apartheid. Putting an elderly man in a shallow grave and stoning him to death or shooting a little two year old girl in the back of the head is not ‘pay back’ as you cretins would like to portray it but wanton unadulterated racism and barbarism. Nor is the “xenophobic” attack and burning of a Mozambican citizen (one of many) in JHB. This is savagery NEVER seen in SA during “white rule” until dear Winnie introduced necklacing to the masses! You and the likes of Peet are so confused and misguided that it is small wonder we are trudging down the path we are on! You got that kite ready yet?

      just4laughs - 2011-08-15 15:25

      @Delarey. Are you absolutely deluded dude?! Savagery not seen during white rule?! Have you read the TRC Report, including the confessions of security police involved in torture and murder made during their amnesty applications? And you can seriously argue there was no savagery? And you accuse others of being confused and misguided? Wow.

      brown_bread - 2011-08-15 16:43

      lawgirl, i wouldnt even give usa as an example, there are lots of black people here in south africa who have made a lot for themselves (of course you wont know because these are ordinary people who work theii @sses off and have no interest to be in the media for you to read about as they are not public figures). they have made their success by focusing on the future (but not forgetting the past). i increasingly hear a lot of people talking about 'moving on' as if its a trip from one place to the next. my 'moving on' didnt mean i forget about the past, it meant i need to get off my @ss and work for things i want (which should be normal anyway). what helped was that government put ridiculous favoritism laws which i dont support, and gave me the more reason to make my own success in my own way. i volunteer 40% of my time for nature restoration activities and the other 60% i work and do research for my studies. thats what i cal moving on, not erasing history, it happened its not my duty to erase it. infact my duty is to preserve it for the next generations to leanr about their country!!

      Lawgirl - 2011-08-15 21:25

      @brown_bread: I agree with you 100%. I have plenty of friends from all different races. Although they still remember the past (e.g. I still remember that my ancestors had to fled Europe for fear of their lives to come to South Africa), they have moved on in the sense that they accepted that they can't change the past nor get freebies by living in the past, but can learn from it and not make the same mistakes - and they're making huge successes of themselves, I'm proud to call them my friends!

      Marc - 2011-08-15 23:29

      Good one Brown Bread. Well on the money.

      RFreeThinker - 2011-08-15 23:56

      Paul Eccles - the concept of human rights had its origins in ancient Greece, Christianity, Natural Law Theory (Thomas Aquinas) and Enlightement thinkers like John Locke and Jefferson. It took a dive with thinkers like Marx (who was a racist himself) but overall common sense prevailed. It was a concept which came from the West. So on the one hand some Westerners owned slaves, but slavery was also abolished first by the Westerners cf. the Arabs and Asians who continued all forms of slavery into the 20th century. Africa received this gift from the people you seem to hate so much.

      Colin - 2011-08-16 11:31

      no they cannot claim equality because the can claim every single advantage possible and still they fail

      Delarey - 2011-08-16 15:09

      @just4laughs, (I will reply to dear Expat later) you obviously have trouble reading English. Yes there was a war and yes as in any war you get pretty uncivilized behaviour from all parties. You get intel at any costs and unfortunately it gives rise to abuses. Don't compare the systematic rape, torture and murder of thousands of innocent people of ALL colours and creeds in post-apartheid ‘FREE’ SA to war crimes. You did not see gangs of whites going to blacks’ houses and raping and murdering them you clot. The number of murders in SA is staggering. The brutality of these attacks is appalling. If you want to put the war atrocities of the SA security agencies on par with a father being tied to a chair, beaten to a pulp and then having his throat slit in front of his wife and children then you are a bigger @s.hole than you seem!

      Neyven - 2011-08-17 03:23

      @paul_eccles For approxmately 7800 years of recorded history slavery was an accepted fact. Only in the early 19th century, by the efforts of liberals like Wilberforce and others was it banned in areas under British rule. In the USA slaves were freed by Abe Lincoln in about 1863. I dare say that today slavery might still exist in some countries.

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-22 01:13

      Blacks practiced apartheid too - whites couldn't buy land in black areas. Blacks murdered whites with spears. That's not right was it?

  • Scarlett - 2011-08-15 08:21

    Nice article.

      saliem - 2011-08-16 16:48

      Totally agreed @Scarlett - the writer has articulated the facts superbly and only those with their heads stuck firmly up their rear ends would disagree. Having said that we all need to roll up our sleeves and pull together (hard) until the playing fields are level. Anyhow have a gr8 day all and be thankful for what you have (while you have it).

  • otter - 2011-08-15 08:21

    well said

  • Marc - 2011-08-15 08:28

    What absolute tripe. Benefitted indeed. If you want evidence of a country that never had the advantage of apartheid, go to Mali. Or Niger. I'll tear this apart later.

      TheHardyBoy - 2011-08-15 11:10

      The advantage of apartheid? I suppose when you tear this apart later that will include how the Nazi's were an advantage to Germany? That is the most racist thing written here.

      Marc - 2011-08-15 18:59

      Wrong in fact Hardy Boy. I have travelled throughout Africa. I doubt whether you have I know what an underachieving dust bowl it is. I doubt whether you do. My point is quite precise. Unpleasant and ill-conceived as apartheid was, it seems that clearly it must have been an astonishing success judging by myriad failures to be seen elsewhere in the continent. I can vouch for this as a fact even if you cannot. And even comparing apartheid with Nazism smacks of the most mind-bending ignorance I can imagine. That was a totalitarian regime of such terror and violence that it catapulted the entire world into a war that killed 50 million people and changed the map of the world. Not quite the same as the undeniably stupid and divisive system of apartheid. Like it or not and as important as we think we are, it’s like comparing Jupiter with a sandpit. And by the way, don't think for a second that I give a toss about worthless epithets like 'racist'. I just have no patience for stupid BS, of which the above article is replete.

  • Soso - 2011-08-15 08:32

    Point of correction: + 450 odd years (I stand correct). Elections won't solve jack - an equal education for all will.

      Leon - 2011-08-15 09:01

      voortrekkers only moved north in 1830's/1840's, so thats 170/180 years, not 350 or 450. Can also argue that political and economical exlusion only commenced in 1910, as per the kodesa agreement used for land claims, also the birth of the anc in reaction to that exclusion. still, if afrikaners complain about the effects of the boer war 110 years later, they can't claim 17 was enough to rid apartheid evils

      fraidycat - 2011-08-15 21:56

      Election will solve jack - yip especially if you keep voting for the same criminals, time after time. Life is unfair and you get what you pay for - same with education. If you want good education, then pay for private schools, as this government does not know how to spend our taxes without corruption.

      Marc - 2011-08-15 23:35

      Actually, Soso, education will go some way to applying a veneer of verbal skills and a level of apparent competency limited to mental machinations that require neither original thought, flair nor imagination - this may help to some extent the previously educationally shortchanged part of society. But, it won't solve much.

  • Tantrum - 2011-08-15 08:33

    Peet, I'm so glad you feel guilty. I don't and don't expect me start soon.

      Lauren - 2011-08-15 10:19

      This comment is in my personal capacity... Peet: "I will not apologise for what happened in the past, because it is in the past." He doesn't feel guilty but accepts the reality of the situation. You shouldn't feel guilty either (unless you're actually guilty of an apartheid crime). Use it, don't use it.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 10:27

      Like it Lauren, I feel the same.

      christo van staden - 2011-08-15 12:33

      Uhm, Tantrum, I think you prove the Arch's point, paradoxically: "Some are crippled by shame and guilt and respond with self-justification or indifference."

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-15 13:40

      You'd expect that the Tutus and Malema's of this world would first be apologising to their own people on behalf of their past "leaders" who deprived them of all rights way before Apartheid. Blacks had no right to vote (the son's chief would become the next chief), no freedom of speech, no education and did not recognise the rights of other tribes and cultures to coexist WAY BEFORE Apartheid was introduced. The farce that Apartheid deprived blacks of their rights should be seen in the context of the rights blacks had in their own cultures before apartheid. Nice and convenient to blame Apartheid isn't it? What rights did your people have before Apartheid Mr. Tutu? The right to shut up and serve the chief?

      EDI2000 - 2011-08-15 13:58

      Hey Cristo you sound too much like "Damned if I do or Damned if I don't" Zero help dude

      moeggepraat - 2011-08-16 09:59

      100% with you Tantrum, why feel guilty? FOR WHAT? The whole point is to learn from the past, not to repeat the mistakes and to break free from the cycle. Why say sorry for the things we have done.......why say sorry for going to the border and defend the country against the "swart gevaar".......why say sorry for the "Wimpy bombings".......why say sorry for the "Carlton Centre bombings".........we ALL (Black, White, PINK, BROWN and GREY) have done things in the past (from Shaka Zulu vs. Retief, Swapo vs. SANDF, PW vs. Mandela………….) that offended other cultures/ colours /races, so let us all move on and work on the future of the "human race". “Debate, communicate and talk openly without intentionally offending anyone………..and this country will be a force to recon with”

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-22 01:19

      I'm just glad South Africa didn't end up like the USSR. No private property, no private businesses. You work for nothing, no wealth. And that is what the ANC wanted for South Africa.

  • Wilma Stassen - 2011-08-15 08:33

    Thanks, what a refreshing read :)

  • JuliusAunt - 2011-08-15 08:34

    Thank you for you article,, I totally agree. I m also a white male that grew up in a model C school,went to varsity durig the first year of our nations freedom.I finished my degree and started my own business and today I can honestly say I am a wealthy man. Is this wealth due to y colonial upbrining or must I thank my stars to hard work and luck,either or I benefitedfrom Apartheid initialy to give me a good start,but the "race" is only won by Perseverance

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-08-15 14:34

      i think its akin to a nature or nurture issue. i know plenty of "white beneficiaries" that completely blew any "advantage" they may have had from growing up in apartheid.

  • Jack Rabbeet - 2011-08-15 08:34

    You are oversimplifying the issue dont you think? Yes we benefitted from Apartheid. But we also built the cities and made RSA what it is. By handing all this over the new black generation is benifiting from all of it dont you think?

      Weetiemeer - 2011-08-15 13:35

      We - and by that I assume you refer to the white people - built the cities? We made RSA what it is? We might have drawn the plans, but who actually BUILT the cities and the roads? The people who were allowed to go to university?

      Dominic - 2011-08-15 14:37

      All these 'we' comments! "We built cities." "We were oppressed for 350 years." Both are simply excuses for our situation. Neither you nor I ever built a city. Neither you nor I have been alive for 350 years. We were dealt different cards at birth. Some were lucky some were unlucky. It wasn't fair. If you like to blame - blame God. You have no choice but to play your hand. Why waste so much time on complaints and excuses?

      Gerrit - 2011-08-15 18:17

      White racists are all ways going on about how much white people did for black people, building infrastructure blah, blah, blah. Like white people were doing blacks a a great favor. BS! Whites built the infrastructure for their own use and never intended to share the riches of the country with the blacks or improve their welfare, because that would have meant competition and compromising their(the whites) own welfare. Yes blacks do benefit from infrastructure built by the apartheid government,but just imagine where South Africa could have been if whites invested in developing blacks economically and socially. It is a blatant lie that the South African economy was stronger during apartheid than it is know (any economist would confirm that). South Africa did experienced economic growth (especially in the 1960's) but we where under performing (because of disinvestment caused by apartheid policy) relative to other emerging countries!

      Colin - 2011-08-16 11:42

      gerrit stop swallowing their propaganda and get an education, south africas was stronger during apartheid, they built infrastructure and maintained it while supporting an army and a huge part of the population. currently we can't even maintain the infrastructure we have let alone build thousands of kilometers of roads, railways, dams, power stations. and blacks did benefit from apartheid, look at their situation before and after apartheid then go thank verwoerd

      Gerrit - 2011-08-16 17:23

      @Colin I study economics and I’ve been reading South African history since I was 10. I form my own opinions based on reason and objective sources and not braaivuur racist rhetoric. I don’t defend the poor governance of the ANC, all I’m saying is that the Apartheid government did not invest enough in black development and as a result we have huge inequalities, which is constraining our economic growth and threatening the relative peace and stability we currently enjoy.

      Colin - 2011-08-17 14:23

      @gerrit do you invest your time and effort into your neighbors garden or your own? you are blaming the old government for not doing enough for the natives when they did nothing for themselves and the little they had the government gave to them. the government was under no obligation to give them free healthcare and education but it did, did fact that it did not match up to the standard we received was partially due to the fact that they did not pay taxes and was unable and unwilling to contribute even to their own benefit. you say that you have been studying history since you were 10. the problem is that the victors write history and that is especially true in south africa where the government is trying its best to distract us from the current problems by reminding us of the past. i also studied economics, maybe a bit before your time when reason played a bigger part and facts were not altered to suit ideology

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  • Amelio - 2011-08-15 08:43

    Well said!

  • Chris - 2011-08-15 08:44

    Great article! And there is no justification for apartheid. Just try and equalise the field though and see what uproar it creates among whites. There are still so many racists out there and its evident in their flinging around of stolen power.

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-22 01:21

      Lets be fair. Let black Africans earn what their counterparts in the rest of Africa earn who didn't experience apartheid and let whites earn what their counterparts in the US, Europe and Australia earn. Then there was no apartheid.

  • Sandra Dickson - 2011-08-15 08:45

    Well written an noble thoughts. Having watched the riots in London (UK) Philedelphia (USA) and the uprising protests in Tunisia, Egypt and now even in Israel brought me a new insight. In most of the cases it is the younger and educated people that rise up. These are the people who cannot find jobs, broken family systems and little hope. The same people who are bombarded constantly with television adds about what they should own and have to have a decent living and self respect. This picture fits South Africa very well too. It is time that we see the bigger picture and look past race, because if we keep fighting each other nobody will get anywhere fast. Outside South Africa it is mayby not race, but the "educated" and "priviledged" people who controls the world's financial system. The only people makinhg money are the already rich and all over the World they are not kept accountable to give back to society. Maybe this is busy changing. South Africa has had 17 years to heal and has come a long way doing it. Yes, whites did benefit from the past regime - big time. It is what we do about it in the future that will determine the present day's people's soon to be past. Are we also going to look back on falures from OUR past?

      resiststance - 2011-08-15 09:13

      The youth hooligans in England educated? yeah right...

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 10:12

      Rubbish Sandra. I worked in London for 5 years. You can fart and get paid for it there. You are correct in saying it fits the SA picture very well, the UK hooligans are criminals not willing to work.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-15 15:15

      @ Snoek - of almost 3 million unemployed in the UK, at least a million are people who refuse to work - they're the unemployables, who couldn't even fart to get paid because it would affect their benefits...

      Colin - 2011-08-16 11:45

      problem is an entitlement culture where everyone expects to get everything for free instead of a work culture such as we used to have here

      Rightbydan - 2011-08-17 09:32

      Ex London, 5 years. British yobs EDUCATED?? Puhleese. They are pig-ignorant, unemployable scum.

  • Slim_Jan - 2011-08-15 08:47

    Well said Peet. Just one comment - the whole notion adn expectation that we should all be equalm especially financially makes little sense? Are whites in SA better of than our counterparts elswhere? NO? Are blacks worse of here than elsewhere? NO - THEY ARE BETTER OF!!! Thats why millions from non-Apartheid SA come to Apaprtheid SA because it is BETTER? So what was so bad? Who really benefited?

  • theodore burns - 2011-08-15 08:52

    the point that every one is missing, but us ordinary white folk (I was at school during apartheid) had very little choice BUT to benefit from apartheid, in the same way we benefit from having oxygen, what dear Mr Tutu is doing is inciting racial hatred whether he means to or not. Apartheid lasted 46 years, in half that time the ANC has done nothing to improve the fate of its people other than make 1 % of their own cronies extremely wealthy and blame the poor living conditions of the majority of South Africans on apartheid, which is kinda like Italy blaming their financial woes on the Roman Empire.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:01

      Apartheid lasted way longer than 46 years: wrong! It was just "the norm" to discriminate against blacks before 1948. There was never any question of black equality in South Africa's history. I mean the black reservations were created in 1910.

      Mack - 2011-08-15 09:31

      You can't be serious."little choice but to benefit from apartheid" you might as well advocate that apartheid was like not fixing something that ain't broke.As long as you've got a mind and a conscious to see the injustices of that time, the choice is always there to stand up for equality for all people. because you didn't get the raw deal everything was OK.that just sad and pathetic

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-15 12:12

      Moral relavitism , look it up and lets apply some.

      YuSsiE - 2011-08-15 14:01

      I know of Boere that were discriminated against by the English....

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-15 14:24

      Please tell me what rights blacks had before Apartheid was introduced? Their leaders and culture deprived them (blacks) of their rights before Apartheid was introduced. Apartheid honoured their right to live under this very culture that they deemed to be their own culture. It's a farce from the outset and blacks would like us to believe that we deprived them of something they never had in the first place - no vote, no education, no freedom of speech, no land - all the nonsense that blacks would like us to believe we deprived them of...guess what? You never had it before Apartheid either!!

      Marc - 2011-08-15 23:20

      Quite correct Paul Eccles; the areas later kown as Bantustans were delineated in 1910 under Lord Milner.

      RFreeThinker - 2011-08-16 00:03

      Mack, do u think it's fair that politicians push tenders and deals which cause the poorest to suffer? When money is squandered or wasted or funds are mismanaged - as is common these days - do you think it's ok to still vote for such people or support them? Well people are doing just that, in this day and age.

      JR - 2011-08-16 10:20

      Well said. This is like the movement by Black Americans to get the white Americans to pay compensation for slavery. Considering none of the slaves or masters are alive the point is like penalising a murderers family after the murderer is dead. My advice is South Africans, move on and stop living in the past and blaming your past for your inability to perform and have morals

      gazzaz - 2011-08-16 12:40

      Exactly and they continue to fleece us with TOLL fees,EISHKOM increases this proposed NHI tax etc etc

      Dips - 2011-08-16 23:03

      @JR @theodore burns - Well said, @Paul Eccles - What a foolish argument you have. If you go back into history you will find that the British implemented apartheid in the sense that the blacks were not allowed same toilets, beaches etc. Verwoerd inherited the system and called it good neighbouring, hence they had there own homelands. Now my point is that they never ever developed their homecountries. An example is a small country called Singapore, a economic hub of the world. developed from nothing to what it is today.

  • Ernest - 2011-08-15 08:57

    good read

  • Marc - 2011-08-15 08:57

    nice one, thank you Peet!

  • Dal68 - 2011-08-15 08:58

    Crap. Apartheid is now being used left right and centre by people who have no ability to grow into a provider. This consumer country of ours with it's useless leaders are making us whites feel guilty of working hard to achieve something. Sorry, I will not feel guilty and I will not give another cent to a thieving enterprise called the New SA.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-15 14:36

      No one is asking any person to feel guilty. Far from it. The issue here is empathy and understanding that apartheid (a 350 year old monster)and it's impact is still felt amongst the masses and heavily. If we want the useless leaders to stop making apartheid the scapegoat we all have to face the facts and put this devil to rest. I'm sure if there situations were reversed, there would be a lot of white folks that would struggle to make something of themselves as well.

      Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-15 15:58

      So Mandla, what rights did your people have before Apartheid in their own culture? When your "leaders" deprived you of the very same rights that Apartheid deprived you of, you didn't have a problem with it. Why did you only have a problem with "being deprived of your rights" by Apartheid but not your own leaders? The answer is because your leaders didn't believe in democracy and would have butchered anyone that spoke up against them (pretty much Mugabe style), not so?

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 16:01

      @ Mandla, it is not about empathy, it is about enriching a few elite cadres, no money will go to the poor.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 21:32

      @MandlaSithole. This, exactly.

      RFreeThinker - 2011-08-16 00:05

      MandlaSithole, I think the problems are twofold. On the one hand the govt wants more cash so they are bullying the whites, secondly, the racial talk does drive hate crimes.

      Juliarse - 2011-08-16 09:36

      @Ryan... the issue you fail to grasp is that of choice and free will, a basic human right. The Black population chose the manner in which they existed in their patriarchal system of rule. Apartheid removed all choice and free will. Although i deplore the manner in which the ANC is leading this country, the reality is that the majority have voted for them, we may not like it or agree with it, but we have to respect it. If we want change, we must educate out countrymen... we might not see the change in out lifetime, but our children sure will.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-16 13:49

      @Madla: Please stop the 350 year BS! Apartheid was NOT around that long. Bantu tribes weren't around in South Africa that long.

  • Samuisun - 2011-08-15 09:00

    Well written....and since what you mentioned is the way it is you will inevitably have people that will disagree. Since I live in a country where Buddhism is the main way of life it is interesting to observe how they practice respect, tolerance and acceptance...despite the fact they do not necessarily like to associate with other cultures (does that make them racist...?). Education is key to the future of SA and the realisation by the masses that they are continually supporting a corrupt and selfish government. Unfortunately this will not happen in one generation but ..... just maybe .... a split in the ruling party may allow a better democracy to prevail since the current monopoly on power will be reduced and thus corruption reduced and improvement of life for all....

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 04:40

      Those bhuddist probably did not stuff up their country for 90% of its poulation and then deny any wrong doing and refuse to compensate or apologise in any way.

  • Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:04

    People defending/romanticising the apartheid regime clearly have forgotten ... the censorship, the corruption, the economic stagnation and inflation, lack of trade with the world, being a pariah state, being on the edge of civil war..

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 09:19

      And clearly you have not noticed the corruption and ever increasing black-hole our money is dissapering into...

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:33

      I have noticed, I notice. I'm just saying, the Apartheid era had it's fair share of corruption too.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 09:45

      Good, then you will recognise that under the New SA, everything is spiraling downwards at an alarming rate. Even if the previous regime and I despise them for a lot of things did do a heck of a lot wrong, our country was at least providing for all, even all the consumers suddenly living in our country. Under this corrupt and self enriching government we have in SA, there is NO way forward. This is the new apartheid in working.

      zena - 2011-08-15 09:51

      yes it did, but we had food on the table, stop blaming apartheid for everything that went wrong and please go and find out more...go and see what was done for others as well....start looking at what is happening today.....

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:54

      I think it was spiralling downwards at a far more alarming rate in the 80's. We had 17-25% inflation, stay-aways, boycotts ... The 1994-2011 period has seen a slowdown in our decline.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 09:56

      I think you are more wrong in that assumption and sorry to say, I also think your eyes are wide shut Paul.

      Justfred - 2011-08-15 10:02

      funny thing that the Rand was stronger than ever R1 bought 5 German Marks back then

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 10:36

      Paul, In the 80s our education system was ranked among the top 5 counties in the world. We had the 10th strongest economy (Now 23rd). We had the 3rd strongest army in the world. People emigrated to SA from all over the world. I know not everyone benefited from this but the whole idea of apartheid was separate development. Surely you don’t expect the black race to make up over 2000 years of development within a few years.

      Tony McGregor - 2011-08-15 11:11

      @paul - yes, and the times were frightening. If you opposed the regime you never knew when you would get an unwelcome visit in the small hours of the morning. Not to mention all those locked up, and killed, for just opposing apartheid. @snoek - once again I would like you to substantiate your claims. If our education system was so good why do we still have such abysmal levels of literacy and numeracy? Face it, the education system was bad, especially for black students. @justfred - P.W. Botha caused the sudden depreciation of the rand with his "Rubicon" speach. The rand went into freefall after that speach and never really recovered. It is doing better now. And the "incompetent" government has inflation uder control and at a much lower level than it was in the '80s when the "competent" government was in control.

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 12:42

      Tony, sorry, I used old stats. We are ranked 29th in the world now.

      SNOTKOP - 2011-08-15 21:15

      Can someone please explain to me how even the whites in those days could have changed the apartheid system earlier, given the strengtht of the military, the ruthlessness of the police & intelligence services and the propoganda or lack of knowledge as to what was really happening in the townships. The country only got TV in the early 70`s because it would destroy our morals, radio and print was heavily censored, I grew up thinking all woman had stars at the end of their breasts. How can people expect the whities to have voted for another party when on the one hand they where being brainwashed with the "swart gevaar" "rooi gevaar" and on the other hand parties like the PFP would make those fears a reality, very similar to the present fears many black people have, that to vote for the DA as an example will bring back Apartheid!

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 04:42

      @Dal68. Things have been spiralling down since 1948. You only notice that now ?

  • IC1 - 2011-08-15 09:07

    LOL 350yrs of Apartheid hey Peet, OMG holier than thou aren't we, build a bridge and get over yourself, and get the facts straight before you write crap like this

  • Louis C - 2011-08-15 09:10

    Mmm, I agree with most, but not the 350 years... Inequality wasn't limited to South Africa for the last 350 years, it was everywhere. I'm 34 years old, I'm more than willing to say I benefitted from Apartheid, because I did. Nothing I can do about that. But I'm not willing to now make up for 350 years worth of inequality! And don't expect me to give up everything in one fell swoop to try and fix the past. I didn't benefit from Apartheid on purpose and because I was "racist", it just happened that I was born white... And I will help as much as I can to uplift others, but not at the cost of the safety of MY family. Wouldn't it be better to rather create new things we can all share in than just take what is there and split it umongst everyone, creating nothing new? Oh, I'm just sick and tired of all the black and white rubbish I see everyday. Race-this race-that. SICK and TIRED. I'm so sorry, blah blah blah. Now, give me a cookie.

      Juliarse - 2011-08-16 09:41


  • Nicola - 2011-08-15 09:11

    Peet, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. As Motlanthe pointed out, "You will not find one single white South African who ever supported apartheid today, not one, not one." But his statement is not entirely true and I think your article is slightly off the mark too ... I know of MANY people who openly admit that they supported apartheid. But most of them are in their fifties or sixties and are semi-retired. They keep to themselves and mutter about "the blacks" every now and again but they are happy enough to stay in SA and accept whatever happens. The noisy, angry whites, that Tutu and Motlanthe are complaining about, are mostly the YOUNGER whites (between the ages of about 14 and 35) who were not old enough to vote during apartheid OR were not even born yet. Most of these whites understandably refuse to be blamed for something that was completely outside of their control. Peet, Tutu and Motlanthe ... haven't we learnt from slavery, apartheid, the caste system in India and the class system in the UK etc: YOU CAN NOT BE BORN INTO PUNISHMENT ??? A civilised society should aim to reward or punish people ACCORDING TO THEIR BEHAVIOUR, not according to their ancestry, skin colour, class, caste etc. etc. If you don't, expect an uprising - eventually - because people are programmed to resist such unfair treatment.

      PrinceCharle - 2011-08-15 09:21

      100% agreed Nicola. The first time I voted was in the referendum that led to the dismantling of apartheid. Did we not say sorry then by voting against apartheid and handing over power with almost no resistance? So what must us whites now do? Must we each give a percentage of our money or property ? And if we do, will we then have reconciled? Will we then be left alone? Oh and we aren't all wealthy, we don't all have holiday homes at the coast. Some of us live in old houses, drive old cars and many of us are just able to make ends meet...

      Nicola - 2011-08-15 09:41

      I also think that the ANC are faced with a dilemma of their own making ... I think they under-estimated how difficult it is to run a country and provide basic services to their citizens. That is a basic human error and the ANC should not be ashamed. For example, us women have to admit that many of us thought that men had the good lives at the office - until we were empowered to work there ourselves. And I think it is also fair to say that a lot of men thought that women were "oh so lucky" that they could stay at home and look after the kids - until mom gets sick and dad has to help out at home! Why can't the ANC just put their pride aside and say, "Hey whiteys ... this is not as easy as we anticipated - please help us?", instead of, "It's the white people's fault, it always was and always will be. You had better contribute now because this is YOUR FAULT!"

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-15 10:02

      Brilliant Nicola.

      CM - 2011-08-15 10:07

      Nicola put all these points in an article - people need to read your point of view. Brilliant

      Kyjara - 2011-08-15 10:45

      Brilliantly put. Could not agree with you more.

      jester - 2011-08-15 11:00

      Thanks Nicola, enjoyed your posts far more than Peet's article!

      Louis C - 2011-08-15 13:50

      Nice comment - I think we have the same point of view (my comment just above), your point just comes across better.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 04:46

      @PrinceCharle - how can voting yes mean sorry ? You knew that the apartheid policies that you have been voting for all along had then come to bite so you had to vote yes with your backs to wall. Considering the amount of arrogance coming from the likes of you we can gather that sorry has never come nor will it ever come from the likes of you. I suggest that South africans consider that when considering the future.

  • johns54 - 2011-08-15 09:13

    350 years!!!? wtf!

  • Yeoldman - 2011-08-15 09:14

    You have some very valid points in this article. I agree with most of what you say. The issue I take is that if the ANC and its members moan about the appartheid system and what it did, then why oh why implement the same under a different guise? I have no issue with previously disadvantaged members of society being prefered to "whites" if they are capable and able to do the job. But the current implementation of BEE and AA is to the detriment of all, except the under educated employee earning a fat salary in a position they are not qualified for. The end result is that instead of uplifting the sections of a once down troden society, you leave them where they are and you drag the rest down to the same "below the breadline" level. Things in South Africa are degrading in the same way as in Zimbabwe, Zambia etc. The same is happening and will happen here. I am heart broken to say it, but I can't see any other alternative but the same end result. Until someone stands uo and leads ALL South Africans on the path TOGETHER, we will continue to spiral down into the typical African Abyss.

  • sthe.ndlovu - 2011-08-15 09:16

    I'm impressed way more than impressed

  • zena - 2011-08-15 09:17

    so you think we benefited from apartheid because the government of the day made sure that its people had a good education, good health care, basic needs and a good work ethic. It gave us the tools to be able to sustain ourselves. And we are supposed to be sorry for that. Just remember all whites were not for apartheid, unlike what is happening today, this government has managed to destroy a good health system, a good education system, food is sky high, no houses for the poor and only a few are benefiting. So what is the big difference then and now, only that everything worked then and people worked for what they wanted, it was not handed down. So i disagree with you totally.....

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:27

      The law completely excluded the black majority, while keeping them in poverty as cheap labour. Political offenders could be whipped, imprisoned without trial and even executed. The majority of the populace was supposed to live on tiny little bantustans. I could go on ... I don't wanna go back to that era.

      Mack - 2011-08-15 09:41

      "we benefited from apartheid because the government of the day made sure that its people had a good education, good health care, basic needs and a good work ethic." Last time i checked "its people" meant EVERYONE, not just a selected group and sadly that was the case.

      zena - 2011-08-15 09:47

      same can be said for what happened to the Boers by the British.......... nobody wants to go back there.....

      zena - 2011-08-15 10:11

      last time i checked it also meant everyone....not just a selected few....

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 10:54

      Rubbish Paul, are you telling me that it was apartheid fault that Swaziland, Lesotho etc. didn’t develop at all. They "LAW" didn’t exclude black people there.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 13:22

      Poor comparison: Swaziland and Lesotho don't have gold, diamonds and other mining resources like SA

      zena - 2011-08-15 14:23

      Swaziland and Lesotho have everything we got. The most fertile land but look at what is happening in Swaziland today, no money while the King has everything and the people have nothing, now compare that to South Africa.

      Juliarse - 2011-08-16 09:58

      Am i wrong or does it sound like certain persons are indicating that Apartheid was better than our present democracy? The issue to my understanding is that Apartheid by way of its policies allowed a certain race group to develop and allowed them opportunities to better themselves to the exclusion of other race groups. If you where white, you had access to better education, health facilities, jobs, etc, etc. This would most definitely allow such a race group to prosper (even though not all did, the majority did). What the Arch is saying that we should accept the fact that Apartheid did benefit us, not that we where either responsible for it or the cause of it. Acceptance of the reality of the benefits Apartheid afforded white people at the expense of the rest. I wonder how many people actually read the full speech, judging by the comments, i would surmise that very few did. I deplore the manner in which the ANC is running this country, and as a citizen i will attempt to bring about change within the ambit of our constitution and educate the less educated masses as to the reality of present day SA, the true meaning of democracy and how they should voice their dissatisfaction by way of their vote. For now i aim to ensure the ANC does not have a 2/3 majority in order to tinker with our constitution and long term to have a more accountable govt.

      RFreeThinker - 2011-08-16 19:19

      Juliarse: "Am i wrong or does it sound like certain persons are indicating that Apartheid was better than our present democracy?" You attack a strawman. Few people say that. What many people say is that apartheid built up much of the infrastructure which is still in use today, which drives the country - poorly, but still drives it better than any non-Apartheid African country. Also people are tired of being blamed for something which was not their fault. It's the way the world was. Blacks in Africa would sell other blacks to Muslim Arabs who sold them to the English and Dutch as slaves. Should now blacks pay each other reparations? Should Muslims pay reparations for their complicity in the slave trade and exploitation of blacks? Nope. We move on. Right now people are suffering and fat cats are getting rich. You can't change the past, but you can do something about what's happening currently. If you fail at that because of political spite, you are more immoral than some brainwashed, cloistered apartheid era white who didn't even know townships existed.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 05:36

      "What many people say is that apartheid built up much of the infrastructure which is still in use today, which drives the country - poorly" Unfortunately that infrastructure only was to the benefit of whites, some coloureds and and indians and a handful of black people. The overwhelming mojority were forced into homelands where they starved. The same can be said for Zimbabwe where the infrastructure is only made to benefit the ruling class and some lackeys. So slavery and colonisation is justified because some black people did other black people in ? "Also people are tired of being blamed for something which was not their fault" the white south africans continuously voted in the NAT party that created and enforced apartheid so why should they noy be blamed. Today Nazi's are still huntered, caught and taken to face justice. , but still drives it better than any non-Apartheid African country.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-17 13:35

      Blame apartheid for everything. Before you start looking at the so called advantages apartheid gave whites, consider the following: When whites arrived at this continent, they had advanced mathematics. Blacks hadn't invented the wheel. Blacks were hunters & gatherers. Now tell me 100 years of apartheid caused the great divide!

      Virginia - 2011-08-17 14:02

      John Wilderness, I could have guessed by your continuous remarks about the white people of SA that you were afrikaans. Dont forget that there were enough white afrikaaners in this country to keep the previous government in power, and believe me its mostly the afrikaaner who feels guilty about the part he/she played in the apartheid era. I am english speaking never voted for a government ever, and I have been in this country since birth and for many years, My parents belong to Sir De villiers Graaf party and were never made to go and vote, so do not generalise with the "you whites" if you have a con science then so be it.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-15 09:21

    Great article. I listened to the full speech by Tutu on youtube and found nothing in his speech unpalatable. News24 on the other hand, turned it into a race thing by reporting that Tutu said whites should by atonement tax. Tutu never said that.

      Vela Stardust - 2011-08-15 09:23

      Meant to write 'pay'

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:30

      News24 is busy falling into the linkbait trash trap, I'm glad to see this article with some proper journalism behind it.

      Juliarse - 2011-08-16 10:01

      more people should do so... but, its easier to bitch about a section of his speech without actually taking the time to see its context. To those that didn't and you know who you are.... *thumbs down*

  • Tebogo - 2011-08-15 09:24

    I hope that with each sip of that decaf coffee and plenty more other cups to come you never forget what the ones who are not as privilaged go through on a daily basis. I am proud of you for acknowledging what most do not dare to. I can only hope that All South Africans stop being too quick to defend what does not need to be defended, stop saying things to guilt trip others and in our moving on assist whoever we can assist (unselfishly), play a positive role in the others life and watch what that will spiral into, respect for each other black and white. It is in acknowledging that there was great injustice and helping your less fortunate neigbour that we will get somewhere. This will render all these legislations pointless (BEE, NIH, Quoters etc).

      Leftyloosy - 2011-08-15 09:40

      100% agreed, especially your last two sentences.

      ands - 2011-08-15 10:33

      @Tebogo ... cart before the horse? We need to heal, we WERE on a good healing path with Madiba. Whites are now the bitter ones, the perception is that Black leaders would rather see infrastructure decay than employ qualified white people to fix. I will lay my you know what on the block if the new black privalege laws were abolished and our leaders shut up or even better jailed the likes of Malema or any @rswipe who wants to cause racial friction, our country will heal faster and white South Africans will want to help our poor black people. Right now whites are in self preservation mode. Only when we are made to feel welcome in our own country, will we look at how we can help undo what we created with apartheid. Until then status quo unfortunately.

  • ernest.monyaki - 2011-08-15 09:27

    Where have you been,really?????

  • Edwin - 2011-08-15 09:28

    Well done sir. This is the type of discussion that we need more and more in this country. People who are mature and humble enough to admit where things have gone wrong and how to fix it. (both black and white and all in between.) Its time we all speak more and stop trying to justify what we have or dont have. Those that have can make a huge difference to the lives of those that dont have (black and white).

  • PAnzi_ne_ANC - 2011-08-15 09:29

    peet YOU clearly didnt benfit from the "better schooling" apartheid didnt last 350 years.. go learn some history.. the whites improved the l0ots of the locals duringt he 350 years you refer to.. so who benfitted then.. if it werent for the white settles who would still bliving in mud huts and killing raping and pillaging each others 24 is really getting to an all time low with the stories it punblishes lately.. time to move over to IOL or any other new site...

      Neles - 2011-08-15 15:56


  • John Harris - 2011-08-15 09:29

    "Proud to be white" I've never understood this inexplicable fascination with the hue of one's skin. What could there possibly be to be proud of just because you've inherited a predisposition for sunburn. Proud to be South African or proud to be a charity volunteer, these I can understand but proud of being white! WTF

  • Chrismicro305 - 2011-08-15 09:30

    Yes, Peet I agree with you. The white Afrikaners from Cape-Dutch decent and the whites from British decent, did benefit from apartheid, because you created apartheid for your own benefit, but what you liberal whites don't understand and know. Is that there is another group of Afrikaners that did not. There is the poor whites from Boer decent,that was robbed of everything they had, their farms, homes, their identity, language and dignity. The Boer children had to leave the school early some with very little education maybe standard 3 and go to work for "A Poor Man's dollar" to help support the family. It is not the men in Khaki clothes that you have to fear it is the large pot holes and your friends that are responsible for those pot holes that you have to fear.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:36

      Really? This was tackled in the 30's - the Apartheid government gave a LOT of opportunities to afrikaans whites.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 10:13

      Very true Chris. Paul it seems that you have a thing against White Afrikaans people?

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 12:45

      I am a white afrikaans person.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 13:02

      If you say so Paul.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 13:23

      White afrikaners could get easy jobs at the post office or railways. Yeah, they were given preference over blacks, it was official policy.

      Riaan - 2011-08-15 13:52

      Paul Eccles At the post office and railways, nogal. Wow, go big or go home. They did the work that blacks do these days. They didn't walk into a job and demanded to be promoted to a managerial position.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 13:56

      They made it work when they got the jobs, they grew the infrastructure. Now the roles have changed and every aspect of service delivery has gone down the drain. I will not feel guilty for any of what has been achieved and I will not pay for any benefit created by myself, not apartheid, but by myself. If you feel you need to pay for something you feel guilty about Paul, be my geust, but don't expect anything in return from the consumer you are so willing to help, because you will not receive anything in return.

      paul.eccles1 - 2011-08-15 13:57

      Nicely sidestepped there.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-15 16:03

      @ Paul, please explain the side step thing...

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 21:27

      Sorry Dal68, my comment was not at you - you are not sidestepping anything. You make some excellent points. I hope you see this.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 21:33

      Hi Dal, you make some excellent points. You did not sidestep anything. Hope you see this.

      Dal68 - 2011-08-16 11:14

      Thanks Paul, noted.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 05:40

      I am also a white afrikaans person and I agree with Paul Eccles.

  • Jamie - 2011-08-15 09:31

    Unfortunately, too many people think apartheid is/was the problem. Apartheid was just a symptom, or an (unsavoury) exploitation of circumstance. To fix a problem one needs to get to the root cause. Just treating the symptoms gets one nowhere.

      Neles - 2011-08-15 15:58

      I know what you're suggesting, but do you mind typing it out clicking 'Post Comment'

  • Harambe - 2011-08-15 09:34

    I know of dozens of Black kids who were best achievers @ school with merit matric pass who couldn't get to varsity due to skin-colour, govt neglect and socio-economic circumstances. There is also the issue of appointments along colour-lines ignoring merit & skills. Swag fact: Apartheid is hugely to blame for the uncontrollable crime we see today. The system's architects never thought about the repercussions. Let's hear the denialists.

      Paul Eccles - 2011-08-15 09:46

      >Let's hear the denialists. Don't worry, you'll hear plenty around here.

      zena - 2011-08-15 09:53

      and you clearly are one of them Paul....

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-15 12:03

      Unless the criminal is unaware of right and wrong (age 7 is the benchmark )then you can't lay blame on a system , it might be an accociated factor which contributed to that person using it as justification for their actions. The are far more people who went through apartheid who don't commit crime for it to be a direct factor. The overwhelming majority don't rape , murder and steal because it is wrong regardless of circumstance.

  • Weeskind - 2011-08-15 09:35

    Peet, verskoon die afrikaans. Stem saam maar onthou al doen ons wat hulle gaan nooit ophou om op die rug van apartheid te ry nie. Dit is vir hulle uitkoms om nie self te dink en aan die werk te spring nie. Alles wat hulle gekry het was in plek, moes net aangaan maar jy weet in watter toetand ons land is. Jy sal die swarte nooit tevrede stel nie . Onthou net apartheid is nie dood van 1994 af nie lank voor dit het apartheid glad nie bestaan nie.

      Chrismicro305 - 2011-08-15 11:00

      Jy is doodreg Weeskind, apartheid is weer heringestel in 1994, net meer drasties.

  • KGB007 - 2011-08-15 09:43

    Try and find out how many black owners of business have white management. They are just so much better at it.

  • BigMoose - 2011-08-15 09:45

    350 years ago, indigenous South Africans were still living in the Iron Age.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-17 05:43

      So you agree that bantu, zulu tswana and sotho are indigenous änd therefore the original owners of the land or are you trying to take a swipe at bushmen(Khoi and san) ?

  • Chris van Vuuren - 2011-08-15 09:46

    Thanks for the article Peet, I think what South Africa needs right now is more individuals who can think and reason clearly like you and the friend you mentioned. Personally I disagree somewhat with the points you raised, but hell it's a lot better than the sad amounts of hate I have been coming across lately, from both parties affected. The only way we are going to fix this country is when everyone stops pointing their fingers, playing the blame game, and actively tries their best to help, regardless of skin color.

  • X-Ray - 2011-08-15 09:48

    Jy praat nou lekker deur jou nek. Ek het begin werk as 'm posbode met my standard 10 sertifikaat want daar was nie geld vir Universiteit nie. Ons was vrêk arm en dinge soos 2de eiendomme het nie vir my/ons betaan nie. Tyd dat jou swart broers iets vir hulleself begin doen in plaas daarvan om bakhand te staan. Wat ek vandag het, het ek hard voor gewerk. Ek is nooit bevoordeel nie en ek moes nog verpligte Militêre opleiding doen, teen my wil. Kry jou feite reg. Ek is nou keelvol vir hierdie sogenaamde voordeel, want ek het dit nie gehad nie.

      Chrismicro305 - 2011-08-15 11:05

      X-Ray jy is doodreg die man weet n waarvan hy praat nie en ek waarborg die lamsak het nie diensplig gedoen nie.

      Lawgirl - 2011-08-15 11:43

      My Ma sit vandag op 63 met groot gesondheidsprobleme wat onder meer te wyte is aan die feit dat sy as kind bitter swaar gekry het, party dae nie kos gehad het nie, kaalvoet skool toe geloop het en koud gekry het want haar sussie se hand me downs was al dun gedra. Beide my ouers het hulle vingers tot op die been gewerk om vir ons kinders 'n gewone middelklas bestaan te gee met van die voorregte wat gepaardgaan met harde werk, my pa het ons vir aande aan een nie gesien nie soos hy laat gewerk het. Ek was in 'n publieke skool saam met swart leerders, ek betaal self vir my studies by Unisa want ek was te wit vir 'n beurs, ek kan nie bekostig om 'n huis te koop nie, nevermind 'n tweede ene of om selfs op vakansie te gaan en in iemand anders sin te bly. Ons leef spaarsamig en beskeie sodat ons net nie die gehuurde dak oor ons koppe moet verloor nie, ons het nie die tyd of die geld om in Sandton coffeeshops rond te hang nie want ons werk ons gatte af om ons 'Apartheid's voordele' soos onderrig, kos, medies en 'n huis om in te bly te bekostig en nie in 'n witplakkerskamp op te eindig sonder enige staatshulp of beloftes van dienste en RDP huise nie.

  • Chris - 2011-08-15 09:49


  • letsee - 2011-08-15 09:50

    well said

  • Mack - 2011-08-15 09:55

    Why Can't we all just accept that apartheid was cruel. Yes the white settlers did help improve infrastructure, education, healthcare etc. but instead of living in equality with the indigenous people they decided to treat them like 3rd rate citizens, as dogs who got the scraps and left overs from the white "baas". And now that apartheid is over some white people almost act as though nothing was ever wrong. Material possessions and resources will never be more valuable than human rights and treating your neighbor as a human being, as your equal. Forgetting the past is a preposterous thought .only acceptance and frogiveness for both sides and a spirit of Ubuntu can help provide a better future for our unborn children

      Snoek - 2011-08-15 15:10

      Mack, Here's a few mistakes in your statement: 1. "indigenous people" Who's that, the Khoi San? 2. Ubuntu was originally supposed to be written into our constitution but when the researchers found out what Ubuntu really was the idea was dropped.

      Bambi - 2011-08-16 10:13

      @Mack, Oh yes apartheid was cruel no one can deny that nor will ever deny it but would you say that in 1994 after the elections it was poetic justice for my sister to be brutally raped at the age of 14 and then to be considered the one wrong because she was according to her rapist white he deserved to have sex with her and it was his right to take what he wanted? Then I'd much rather be considered a flippen racist because a 'person' who rapes, murders, kills and resorts to theft because it's their 'right' doesn't derserve to even breathe the same air I do!

  • resiststance - 2011-08-15 09:56

    Peet, you come off as a rich brat that probably did benefit from apartheid. This doesn't mean everyone did, stop equating your world experience with everyone elses. There certainly are people who did not benefit at all.

  • Harambe - 2011-08-15 09:56

    Aparthed created self-hatred for the Black man, the feeling of no-belonging and sadly the feeling of incompetence. Eyes are open now and opportunities equal. Given the same opportunities, a Black man can be as good as white man in the next table. The damage done can not be undone in just a couple years. It will take more than the political and community leaders to make SA work. Blacks had been brainwashed & whites overprotected.ging and sadly the feeling of incompetence. Eyes are open now and opportunities equal. Given the same opportunities, a Black man can be as good as white man in the next table. The damage done can not be undone in just a couple years. It will take more than the political and community leaders to make SA work. Blacks had been brainwashed & whites overprotected.

  • joseph - 2011-08-15 10:02

    Interesting, however being a first generation South African born of white immigrant parents, I believe I have never received any better benefit or education when compared to that of the family that remained overseas and were educated in their mother country. They too have benefited from proper educational and health and social standards and continue to do so. They do not feel guilty for having received an acceptable level of education in their country and therefore neither do I. Should I, simply because my parents migrated to another country? I do agree that the majority of South Africans do not receive the correct level of educational standard or health care, however as I have always contributed my share of taxes this is something I am attempting to improve and I will continue to motivate for improvement for all our citizens. I believe in the raising of all educational standards for all as the only way forward. I do not believe in the application of some kind of unproductive “guilt phycology” that can do nothing and will do nothing, to promote the long term improved development and productivity of our country for all who live here. Should I through “remorse” accept as normal the lowering of standards for my children and their future due to their racial profiling? Should I through “remorse” be blinded to destructive outcomes of the racial rather than social profiling that has become the common cause of the current government of the day?

  • maneki - 2011-08-15 10:02

    I agree with you and with Tutu, and it has not made me lose respect for him at all. Tutu has ALWAYS said it like it is, and he is, to my opinion one of the wisest men on the planet. If only more people would listen to him, we would be in a much better place. And yes, I'll admit, even though I had no part in apartheid as a white person, I DID benefit from it. The only problem I have is that it is expected of me to say sorry for something I did not do. Because even if we take everything from whites and distribute it amongst blacks, it will not be NEARLY enough. You cannot use one tenth of a population's assets to uplift the other 9/10. What would you gain? And then you sit with that one tenth poor people again, because we are also citizens of this country. We are 17 years into the New SA, and yes, of course its not nearly enough time to "make up" for the past, but in 17 years we could have done a hell of a lot more for poor communities. Yet our leaders chose to rather spend money on renaming everything, hosting expensive sport events, and lining their own pockets, while the poor remained poor. I understand that we HAD to rename places and streets, but why couldn't we have done it after we have looked after the poor first? Then we could host events, rename streets, etc etc. The past cannot be undone in any sense, no matter what you do. All we can do is take hands and build a better future. But sadly, at the rate things are going the future looks sadder than the past.