Alcohol 'should be banned'

2011-01-05 09:00

Dear Editor,

According to a news article, police quoted crime statistics released earlier this year which showed the link between assault with the intention to inflict grievous bodily harm and common assault and alcohol and drug use.

Also, the City of Cape Town introduced a new liquor by-law that will regulate alcohol trading hours.

One of the reasons cited for the amendments to the City's liquor trading by-law is to fight the scourge of alcohol abuse.

Furthermore, there is solid evidence that alcohol plays a huge role in motor car accidents which many a times results in serious injury and deaths.

Also, social ills, health problems and a host of other troubles are worsened by alcohol use.

Drinking alcohol is destructive and harmful and the effects of its consumption are similar to those of cocaine, mandrax, marijuana and tobacco smoking.

So, may I ask what benefit drinking alcohol has that justifies its continued intake despite all the serious medical problems, injury, suffering, pain, loss and damage it causes and aggravates?

Personally, I feel that in an attempt to save lives, for the greater good and for preserving the family unit, the production and sale of alcohol must be completely banned in our country.

In addition, I support the idea of a ban on alcohol advertising as it would decrease the desire to drink alcohol, especially amongst the youth.

Drinking alcohol would not stop, but in time we could lobby and hope for a total ban on alcohol drinking.

Abdullah Saeed

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  • saturnz - 2011-01-05 09:04

    the fact that you are muslim won't help your point of view, it will unfortunately be interpreted as biased, despite the valid points

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-05 10:27

      screw it! ban all religion, ban all alchohol, ban all drugs and ban all medice.... we'll all live long happy lives untill the asteroid wipes us out.

      stoutgat.webmaster - 2011-01-05 10:58

      @Saturnz - you are completely confused. The Baathists are a political party in Iraq. You are presumably referring to the Basques in Spain, and their movement called ETA. How many people have the ETA killed in the past 10 years, compared to, say, the death toll from 9/11 alone?

      stoutgat.webmaster - 2011-01-05 11:04

      Oh, and PS: Sex also kills people by means of AIDS and crimes of passion. So let's sommer outlaw sex too. No wonder Arab countries are such boring hell-holes.

      jwill - 2011-01-05 11:09

      PonkieDiel - 2011-01-05 11:25

      Abdullah, you forgot about braais, the fat in the meat causes high cholesterol and blood pressure aka the silent killer, which kills thousands yearly. Do not forget masturbation as well, apparently many people go blind because of it.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 11:59

      Did I miss something? How do you know that the Author is Muslim? By his name? By his attitide towards alcohol? Very presumptious. I know someone who had a similar name who is Christian - coincidentally he does not drink.

      Gareth_Clitt - 2011-01-05 12:53

      @ Cosmic99...!!!!!Abdullah Saeed!!!!!!..Maybe his Chinese.

      Thor - 2011-01-05 13:10

      Abdullah let me answer your question. Why... because its fun.. its entertainment. A Lot of things done to relax and have fun is dangerous. We can't ban all of it. The very idea to control people and the way they behave with bans is not well thought through. Do you think outlawing drugs are successful.. nope... why do less people use drugs than alcohol... commen sence and education... I drink and it does no damage too me because I do so in moderation (most times) I eat healthy and excercise. Also no drinking and driving (commen sence and education)

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 13:22

      @Thor - they key word is moderation, in many countries in the world you can drink alcohol in the street and buy it 24 hours a day from a store, yet these countries have a much lower alcohol induced crime rate as SA. And sadly government has to control the people if they can't control them self, and the innocent always suffer because of that

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 14:33

      Cosmic: I think you are arguing just for the sake of it now! You don't get a more Muslim name than Abdullah Saeed.

      Shino - 2011-01-05 16:25

      @Dog_Poo - I agree completely! Also, that would keep them off the streets ;)

      yashcon - 2011-01-05 16:38

      Typical - lets forget ALL the valid points made and call him Biased. BTW majority of Arab countries are the wealthiest nations in the world - there people live in luxuries that you could only dream about, so as for the boring hell holes not sure where you're getting your info from. Anyway just goes to show how uninformed everyone is as alcohol is prohibited in all religions - just because your bible was re written 1000 times can't erase the fact that IT'S NOT ALLOWED. AND It's not allowed for the reasons listed above. The only thing that should be banned besides alcohol is comments from alcoholics such as Stoutgat.

      comingback11 - 2011-01-05 17:32

      cosmic-Of course he is Muslim!!!!!???

      rebcraig - 2011-01-05 18:14

      saturnz! You somehow managed to get the US involved by saying that REDNECKS in america are terrorists?????????? WTF, are you an idiot? Do you even know what a redneck is? Cheez, WHAT an A**HOLE!

      Aikatharine - 2011-01-06 01:35

      Ey ey!! Saturnz? The "rednecks" here in the US will be highly offended by you statement that they are Terrorists. What the heck ... do your research! Redneck = SA "Fieta". Redneck -truck; shotgun with a sixpack all dressed-up in camo!!!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 10:23

      @Clitt(-oris) So, if my name is Moses, are you going to assume that I am Christian? Judging someone's religion by his name is extremely silly. I work with Mohammed Alli and he is not Muslim? How ignorant can one be?

      Clint - 2011-01-06 10:58

      @yashcon...surely you are not that narrow minded that you believe the wealth in the Arab countries is due to them not drinking? I am fairly certain the wealth in those countries is directly related to that sticky stuff called oil...maybe I am mistaken?

      pierreedge - 2011-01-06 17:58

      >>>>>>>Gareth_Clitt - January 05, 2011 at 12:53 Report comment @ >>>>>>>>Cosmic99...!!!!!Abdullah Saeed!!!!!!..Maybe his Chinese. Chinese is a nationality, islam a religion, and the guy is south african just like you. Just because his name is abdullah doesnt mean he is necessaily muslim, maybe maybe not, that's got nothing to do with the subject. When will people stop labelling people and putting them is small boxes just because of their name or color...

      Greg - 2011-01-07 08:35

      You are absolutely correct with your comments. Many will home in on the fact that the writer appears to be Muslim, and use the opportunity to vent spew forth accordingly. Christians have killed more people than any other religion in western history - Catholic vs. Protestant, The Crusades, the Nazis (yes - they were also Christian) killed millions of non-Christians, the Spanish (Church endorsed) Inquisition, etc. ....They ruled by terror - so they fit the definition of terrorist. But that does not make every Christian a terrorist, in exactly the same way that not every Muslim is a terrorist. And every one is entitled to their opinion without being stereo-typed by the ignorant amongst us.

      Jadester - 2011-01-07 09:05

      Reply to Greg - For Your Info Nazi's were atheists like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc who slaughtered millions in their "purges" to cleanse the "evolutionary tree". I would re-check those "millions" allegedly killed by Christians and whether the killing was really done by true Christians. Just like sitting in a garage doesn't make me a car going to church or calling myself a Christian doesn't automatically make me one. Just a thought :-)

      FrankLee - 2011-01-07 09:24

      @Greg ....and just to put the record straight - atheists have killed many millions more than the supposed Christians. Think Hitler[no he was NOT a Christian but an evolutionist], Stalin, Mao, etc.

      Dewet - 2011-01-07 10:33

      decriminalizing marijuana in the Netherlands led to a drop in it's usage, by locals and it is now taxed and controlled, meaning people take in less pesticides and harmfull byproducts as well as it ceasing to be such a strong gateway to more potent drugs. (It no longer connects youngsters to the underground). So, banning something doesn't take it off the market magically and you lose controll over it's use, taxation and harmfulness. Alcohol has been banned before unsuccessfully in the US.

      Other Justin - 2011-01-07 14:59

      @yashcon - I am not sure which Christian bible you are refering to that prohibits alchohol? As far as I know, Jesus himself drank wine and "turned water into wine". All the bible hints at is drink, but in moderation. By the way, my bible was written alot earlier than yours, so maybe you should do a bit more research...

  • lyslexic - 2011-01-05 09:05

    blah... blah blah... no one cares what you think. If you don't like alcohol then don't drink it.

      saturnz - 2011-01-05 09:17

      its not that he doesn't like alchohol, its the consequences of alchohol consumption thats the problem but it seems you are too stupid to differentiate between the two.

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 09:30

      The next thing they will want to ban is Xmas!!

      saturnz - 2011-01-05 09:47

      christmas is actually a pagan ritual practised by christians, there is no real evidence suggesting Jesus was actually born on this day, just shows you how misguided christians are, and how the media has brainwashed us all.

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 10:07

      @saturnz.First of all my wife is Pagan.Christmas does not have to be a religious celebration.It is also a time for families to get together, exchange gifts and have a joyful time and let our children experience the majic of father xmas.My wife celebrates it exactly like that so dont come with your christian/pagan story.I live with a pagan and know what it is all about!!

      watalife - 2011-01-05 10:25

      @saturnz You dop with us all and now you act all Slummish. You are not in an Islam state and SA will never be.

      lyslexic - 2011-01-05 10:38

      @ saturnz... By your logic, he likes alcohol but wants it banned due to the consequences of alcohol consumption? maybe u can ask Julias to shut down alcohol consumption just like Twitter.

      ismail83111 - 2011-01-05 11:13

      thats like a rapist saying blah blah blah. if you dont like rape dont do it.Wheres the sense

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 13:30

      @Vedder & Lyslexic - neither of you has made an argument to why alcohol is good for society, all you do is to try and bash people with different ideas so I assume it is because you have no valid argument but feel the need to be heard

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 14:36

      @cerveturd...and why is alcohol bad for society.Some of us can have a quite drink without behaving like monkeys!!And if you read further down i have made a comment regarding the subject.So shut it moron.

      HappySaffer - 2011-01-05 14:48

      @ Ismail83111 - that's a ridiculous argument! Rape is intended as an act of violent abuse, intended to violate and hurt another person, and as such it is illegal and severely punishable by our laws! Alcohol is not illegal (in this country anyway) and can be very enjoyable. Unfortunately some irresponsible people do abuse it and therefore risk causing harm or damage, which is why drinking and driving is illegal! Whereas a few cold beers around a braai on a Saturday afternoon during a game of rugby is wonderful and a good sociable catalyst! It just wouldn't be the same with a glass of water! Each to their own, we should respect each others choices and not try to force our own selfish ideals on other people because you don't like it! Am I correct in assuming you don't drink because you are Muslim? If that's the case then you're forced to avoid alcohol by your religious afflictions, and maybe that's why you're angry at the rest of us for having the freedom to enjoy a quality Cape wine with a good meal? That's YOUR problem mate, don't force it to be mine too! It's just selfish!

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 14:58

      @Vedder - no one is saying some people can't drink in moderation, the question put to the readers is alcohol good for society? yet you seem to fail to understand a simple question, or are here just to insult and not to debate And I don't plan on reading further down to find your "comment regarding the subject" between the mass off other ignorant statements left by you, so please post it here if it exists

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 15:41 boykie, that is not the question he put to society, he simply stated all production and sales of alcohol should be banned.I know you do not intend to read further down but atleast read the article!!!

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-05 16:05

      @Saturnz - You are obviously against the consumption of alchohol (probably muslim), but their are those of us who drink moderately. I have a glass of wine some nights after a stressful day at work, which helps me relieve some tension. So why should all of us have to suffer because of certain people who cannot behave themselves or cannot drink responsibly?

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 16:05

      @Vedder - "So, may I ask what benefit drinking alcohol has that justifies its continued intake despite all the serious medical problems, injury, suffering, pain, loss and damage it causes and aggravates?" why don't you read the article? You have now gone from looking ignorant to looking stupid

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-05 16:49

      @Cereveb - There are many studies that has been done to suggest that a glass a day can strenghen your heart. Most medicine's also contain alchohol.

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-05 16:50

      glass of red wine.

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 17:09

      @Kaleidoscope - I am aware of these studies, and I do support the consumption of alcohol in moderation, I am however against alcohol abuse and are curious on how alcohol consumers justify their behaviour, and can feel comfort that they are innocent, given the evils that alcohol also cause, but I did loose the plot a bit as I found it more interesting that some people here can't give a simple answer like yours and just go to insulting as they have no ability to debate and give a descent opinion @Vedder - you were going on about Christmas and your pagan wife, not very related to the article or PRODUCTION PRODUCTION PRODUCTION, or is it the same thing in your ignorant mind?

      ray.romans - 2011-01-06 08:18

      @Cervezab: Strange how you go on about alcohol abuse and yet your pseudonym means beer.

      cervezab - 2011-01-06 09:21

      @Ray - I go on and on about people that respond with hatred, ignorence and plain stupidity to a question asked about alcohol, there are many things that are not evil yet have the ability to create evil in this world, alcohol is one of them. So I think the author made a valid point and as a beer lover, I was not offended, yet I am offended by these idiotic bashers that think insults are making an argument, and is basis for dismissing someone else's opinion

      ismail83111 - 2011-01-06 09:54

      @Happy is easy to say drink responsibly but the reality on the ground is a different story, it is a cause of many evils. For you it may be a social catalyst but for many others it is a catalyst for murder,rape,drunk driving etc. I do admit there is good in it but as the quran beautifully explains there is good in Alcohol but the harm is greater then the good.

      ray.romans - 2011-01-06 10:46

      @cerveza: Cool, make mine a Laurentina.

      Jay - 2011-01-06 15:17

      Saturnz this is a Christian country based on christian values and it really gets my goat that our schools have to conform, our restaurants have to conform to put up with your bullshit, embrace the pig and live large. Would a Muslim country conform to our religion, the answer is no because you dont recognise any other religion than yours.

      FrankLee - 2011-01-07 09:29

      @saturnz Perhaps it was in response to the pagan rituals and to give Christians an alternative to joining those rituals that Christmas was created and celebrated instead. Most real Christians know that Jesus wasn't born on 25th Dec anyway. The marketing people who for the most part do not believe in God anyway are the ones fuelling all the commercial attention on Christmas. Same as one now finds all kinds of singers doing "gospel" songs because there's lots of money in it.

  • BugsyJamesy - 2011-01-05 09:07

    Lets rather ban the most dangerous thing in the world. Religion now thats a really god idea hey Abdullah.

      OllieMor - 2011-01-05 09:51

      Hell yeah!

      unrealchris - 2011-01-05 10:57

      If we can ban religion, most of the worlds problems would be sorted out in no time.

      Lanfear - 2011-01-05 12:03

      Oh yes please! Can we start with that ban asap?

      Skeletor1 - 2011-01-05 13:13

      So banning religion will stop, car accidents, drunken brawls, assults, etc. I am happy about the law that is changing in CT.

      shaunjsmith - 2011-01-05 16:48

      Excellent point!

      freeflyshannon - 2011-01-05 22:22

      Religion is a Virus that MUST be stopped!

      YorkieBoy - 2011-01-06 13:36

      I take it that pun wasn't intended, Bugsy? ("Religion now that's a really god idea"...)

      Pragmatist - 2011-01-06 18:32

      I agree - for those who are smart enough to see, religion is just a political tool used to control people.

  • lldoidge - 2011-01-05 09:12

    Lighten up mate. I don't drink but who am I to tell others what they can and can't do? Alcohol will never be banned as governments make a fortune from it! Have you never heard of prohibition in America? I suggest you google it and you will find out how futile it would be trying to ban alcohol!

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 13:34

      the same thing is happening with the drug trade and human trafficking after is has been made illegal

      Aikatharine - 2011-01-06 01:49

      @lldoidge .. good point, prohibition in America. Prohibition did increase the crime rate during 1920s. Criminals and gangsters tried to find way to gain money by selling alcohol for a higher prize. The criminals and gangsters got richer, and they became more powerful, no one dared to stop them once they were armed with guns. Whenever police caught these gangs, the gangs often bribed or killed the police. SA surely does not need another vehicle that would encourage criminals and increase crime.

      Johan - 2011-01-07 07:26

      @Aikatharine... ok let's apply that logic to all laws...No traffic laws so no traffic offenders no traffic cops to bribe....and we can go on with it no law against murder, rape, theft and whatever else you want to put on the list

  • Craig - 2011-01-05 09:13

    Just who do you think you are to try and enforce your Muslim practices on everyone. We tollerate your religion so do not force it. You are the minority here. The tail does not wag the dog. If you do not like it, then leave and go to a country where alcohol is banned.

      OllieMor - 2011-01-05 09:51

      Maar nou net so, Craig.

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 13:48

      nice of you to comment with no valid argument, it is not a Muslim thing, Turkey is a Muslim country yet it allows the production and consumption of alcohol by Muslims, yet their are several other beliefs that do not condone the consumption of alcohol. Here are 3 Christian groups that do not condone the consumption of alcohol Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons and Methodists and many more are against getting drunk

      mrcnel - 2011-01-05 15:44

      dude, nowhere in the article does he mention anything about the muslim faith... use it dont use it

      King Dean - 2011-01-06 07:58

      @Cervezab - Funny that, growing up i went to a methodist church and we often had communion with WINE, not grape juice... There was also alcohol around at church functions... Very against drinking they are, I must say.

      ray.romans - 2011-01-06 08:21

      Cervezab, "Here are 3 Christian groups that do not condone the consumption of alcohol Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons and Methodists". Looks like you have had too much and can't add.

      cervezab - 2011-01-06 09:27

      @ray - I agree, my mistake, as a matter of fact I added the Mormons at the last moment as I always forget them and their theory that Jesus walked to north America after he rose from death, so I was not sure if I should group them as Christians or a cult @King dean - yes, churches seem to often have differences in what they do and what they condone

      King Dean - 2011-01-06 10:57

      @Cervezab - I quote from a methodist website ( 'Methodist attitudes to alcohol have changed significantly in recent decades from a widespread commitment to abstinence, to one in which moderate, responsible drinking is more common.' How ridiculous. Churches just try and change the rules as they go along to keep control of the masses. I'm so glad I've gotten out of all that crap. They have this big hoo haa about "Good christians" shouldn't drink but then Jesus and his other imaginary friends would regularly take to the wine...

  • Johann - 2011-01-05 09:14

    Bwhahahahaha!! There are countries where alcohol is banned. Move to one of them. Leave my place alone. It is my RIGHT to drink as much or as little as I want, and it has nothing to do with you or anybody else. Granted, there is violence and car accidents attributed to drinking, but nobody is perfect. If you take away the alcohol, guess what? The violence and accidents are gonna stay, because some people are stupid and evil. Not the drink's fault. The PERSON. You cannot ban alcohol, just like you cannot ban cigarettes. If you ban alcohol advertising, who's gonna sponsor sports? You? And what's next? Ban Fast Food? thats bad for you! Sports? That increases blood pressure. Cars? LOTS of people die in car accidents, must be the cars! Guns? Tried that, didn't work. I'm glad that we live in a democracy. If you ever came to power you will have riots on your hands in 10 minutes. And well deserved to. I understand that the Muslims can't drink Mr. Saeed, but the rest of us can. And it's your choice. Move to Sudan or Iran if alcohol bothers you. Our country tolerates all religions, don't you think that you should do the same?

      Nathan - 2011-01-05 09:46

      It is also my right to smoke marijuana and do drugs but those are banned. Alcohol has been proven to do more harm than some class A drugs. Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' The only reason alcohol wont be banned is because its a drug that we as humans have been using for such a long time.

      Johann - 2011-01-05 09:55

      Yes Nathan, that is your right. But alcohol is legal, so that is OK while the others are illegal. There's probably a study out there that proves that too much veggies do more harm than smoking. they can prove everything with a "study" these days mate.

      jwill - 2011-01-05 11:15

      Johann, Please don't be so ignorant. There's no scientific doubt about the effects of alcohol/nicotine on health. There's no country in this world that disputes that. Nathan has got a point: alcohol is like a holy grail....will never be "banned" because of history. Further, it's time that we humans take responsibility for the way we misuse alcohol. Banning alcohol might not be the answer but changing our "drinking culture" is a serious priority.

  • Slumdog - 2011-01-05 09:20

    How many people die in the Middle East each year due to religious warfar. Your letter is absurd.

      100%DARKIE - 2011-01-05 14:17

      Your comment is absurd.Why do you assume that the author is from the middle east?

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-01-05 09:20

    The banning of alcohol in the USA brought untold suffering as criminality grew exponentially. Finally, prohibition was removed but the gangs that had gained power during it took much longer to remove. Banning alcohol will only worsen the situation not improve it

      emile.marais - 2011-01-07 12:12

      Judith and in South Africa the prohibition of alcohol would cause more violence then even the current Mexican drug wars. Prohibition in South Africa would never work. Crime would spiral out of control.

  • kolobe - 2011-01-05 09:21

    No to Sharia laws…we are living in a democratic country and in this country people have freedoms and a right to cold beer when they feel like…viva democracy viva…

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-05 10:09

      ah crap.... something has gone wrong in the world... for 1st time I agree with you!

      Dave - 2011-01-05 10:17

      Its the alcohol I tell its the alcohol!

      watalife - 2011-01-05 10:29

      Boet did you hit your head? Its the first positive thing you have ever said.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:37

      yes, and the same people who have the right to hold a cold beer may just be the country's latest murderers when they get behind the wheel. I think that you are missing the point that the Author is trying to make. If people drank responsibly then perhaps we could all accept that the activity is a great way to enjoy yourself and socialise. But many do not know when to stop, do they?

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 11:03

      Comic_99. It's the MINORITY that abuse alcohol. So are you going to punish the majority for their stupididty? Knives kill, are you going to ban them as well? Get a life man!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 12:11

      IDoige, You make some claims that you can hopefully back up? Judging by the amount of red-faced, pot bellied individuals walking around this country, I beg to differ. The number of fatal car and household accidents also makes me believe otherwise. You seem to think that I want to punish the majority? I am not suggesting that alcohol be banned, or am I????? I am merely agreeing with the Author that many unnecessary and preventable deaths occur because of substance abuse. There is absolutely no need to be rude either - can you not enter into a healthy debate without getting aggressive by tellling me to get a life? Is it your normal for you to curse people who express ideas? If so, you have anger management issues which perhaps may only be soothed with a cold one. A colleague of mine has just killed someone because he thought that he was responsible enough to hold a cold one in his hand and drive shortly thereafter. Perhaps he is one of the individuals that you would normally consider as responsible. Drive safely!

      100%DARKIE - 2011-01-05 14:20

      hahaha,IIDOIDGE,knives kill?people with knives kill.I dont know bout you but my knives havent ever tried to jump up out of the drawer and attempt to kill me

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 15:04

      Cosmic, GET A LIFE! I am not being rude just helpful!

      Zawadi - 2011-01-06 10:08

      lldoidge got a valid question there dow even dow u anti-alcohol consumption would not answer it! 100%Darkie have a cold one ever jumped out of the fridge and drove a car? All i think needs to be preached is responsibility!

      emile.marais - 2011-01-07 12:14

      kolobe? What happened? Where's the hate?

      Other Justin - 2011-01-07 15:33

      I'm with you Kolobe.....I think I'll die if I can't have an ice cold beer on a hot summers day.

      Anne - 2011-01-09 02:42

      Finally something that unites us - BEER!

  • Jakes - 2011-01-05 09:22

    Yes Abdullah, alcohol does contribute to all of the above you mentioned, so does crime contribute to my ill health. Crime are also responsible for injury, suffering, pain, loss and damage. Bring back the death penalty first and then ban alcohol.

  • Benji - 2011-01-05 09:25

    As much as I enjoy a cold beer or glass of wine with a good meal....I would sacrifice that if it meant a ban on alcohol. The problem with booze is its relationship with poverty. It breeds violence, dishonesty, a lack of sexual inhibiton (often causing rape), lack of family responsibility etc. Most violent crime and rape is concieved and acted on while under the influence. Police stat!!! Add to that the drinking and driving (this is amongst all sectors of the population) and it really is hard to find why we embrace it. I would support a ban but will still enjoy a drink now and then until/if ever that happens. Sometimes we should make descisions for the better of our society rather than for our own personel desires!!

      Goose - 2011-01-05 09:57

      At least there seems to be one other intelligent and thinking person on this forum Benji. I am utterly shocked at the crass lack of intelligence and idiotic comments from 99% of contributors here. It seems they all have alcohol poisoning and have already lost the use of their brains!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:39

      Peter, Just checked out your profile. Definitely looks as though you enjoy a pint.

      Benji - 2011-01-05 10:44

      Wow Peter, So how do you really feel...want to talk about it????? Take it easy big fella, I simply feel (my opinion) that the deteriment caused by alcohol abuse outweighs the responsible use and I would make the sacrifice. of course then there would be pretty serious economic ramifications. But at the end of the day it is a hypothetical question. Unlikely to happen. But back to your kind insightful comment. That kind of reaction comes from someone who probably shouldnt be drinking this early ibn the morning.

      Benji - 2011-01-05 10:56

      @ Goose, I would hazard a guess that the 99% of crass (stupid) comments are from people who are held captive by booze. Which is sad. Just the thought of not being able to celebrate or enjoy a gathering without outside getting boozed is a vice that is far deeper ingrained into so many people than you would think. Like you say...just read the comment from my good friend peter here. Something awfully wrong with that reaction!!!

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 14:37

      Cosmic: Now you're being rude, but you complain about rudeness in your above comment?

      Jamesons - 2011-01-06 14:42

      I am thirsty now, feel like a cold one watching the sun go down on CapeTown. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, and ladyies want to join

      Bill - 2011-01-06 22:25

      Well said, Sir!

      lean - 2011-01-07 16:43

      Drinking wine for good health seems to be getting all the press instead of healthier alternatives, probably because it's an intoxicating beverage.However, there have been studies supporting intake of nonalcoholic beverages such as grape juice, cranberry juice, or tea with lower incidence of cancer, heart disease, and other diseases.Two cups of tea have an equivalent antioxidant as 2 glasses of purple grape juice, one glass of red wine, 12 glasses of white wine, 7 glasses of orange juice, 12 glasses of beer, 20 glasses of apple juice. However, tea, grape juice, or wine consumption doesn't take the place of a healthy lifestyle, which should include exercise, no smoking, low fat foods, and lots of fruits, vegetables, grains, and water.

  • Vedder - 2011-01-05 09:27

    Abdulla, you say the production and sales of alcohol should be banned.very well thought through article.Let close down all wine farms around S.A shut down S.A.B and all pubs.Dumb article!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:41

      You are missing the point, Vedder. The consequences of drug and alcohol abuse cannot be ignored. But perhaps one day you will understand this if your child gets killed by a drunken motorist?

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 11:07

      Cosmic_99. Get real man! You don't have to drink if you don't want to. I don't but I would never begrudge somebody that enjoys a drink. You will always find people that abuse drugs, alcohol, sex etc....., whether it's banned or not.

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 11:24

      no im not missing the point you moron!He said ban production of alcohol, which would mean the shutting down of wine farms etc.If he said ban sales of alcohol that would have a different meaning as we could still export wine etc.Read before you make some stupid comment!!I am not ignoring that alcohol can kill, where did i ever say that in my comment.Go get drunk!!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 12:21

      Dodge, I have been wondering if it is worth responding to you. Perhaps against my better judgement, I will: Once again, I am not suggesting that alcohol be banned. How have you arrvied at this conclusion? But, if you are so accepting of other people's right to drink, then when your son or daughter hop into the car with a drunken friend, perhaps ask yourself if you in any way begrudge this situation? I suspect that you may feel somewhat differently. You have clearly not lost a loved one to the roads. May your good fortune continue.....

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 12:25

      Vedder, Yet another crass individual that cannot refrain from using obscenities.

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 12:43

      cosmic99 Ag shame, have i heart your feelings or did you forget to put your make up on this morning.If you cant handle, leave.

      Don - 2011-01-05 14:12

      Cosmic_99 Your whinging about losing a loved one due to a drunk driver, well I have lost two! But your comment does not make sense. The problem lies in that the country is basically lawless, the punishment should fit the crime. Sadly this is where the problem lies. If someone drives drunk, kills another person, they mus tbe tried for murder and thereafter the suitable sentence imposed, like my situation the drunk driver who caused the accident in which I lost someone walked away scott free. People are able to make their choices and make decisions, but break the law and you need to be punished appropriately. The arguement of banning alcohol can be likened to comparing the car. Ban vehicles transportation as I guarantee you more car accidents destroy lives and families in relation to alcohol

      comingback11 - 2011-01-05 22:32

      cosmic..................Everyone should ignore cosmic-he does not even live in South Africa and just wants to antagonise everyone!! Get lost!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 10:32

      Don, I am not sure why everyone thinks that my solution to the problem is to ban alcohol? I have no solutions, actually. I am merely agreeing with some of the points that the Author makes. I agree that culprits often do not get punished suitably. However, even if the most suitable punishmment is inflicted, my loved one does not return. Sending someone to jail, imposing the death sentence - none of this changes the fact that an innocent person died at the hands of carelessness.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 11:52

      ComingBack, Yet another assumption - you refer to me as a 'he'. Hee Hee.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 11:53

      ComingBack, ....And you assume that I dont live in SA. If only you knew the truth!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 17:17

      JackRichard, You are just bitter about me criticising you for thinking the NHS is for free; and for suggesting that you have chased money for 8 years at the expense of happiness. And re-read my comment in the said article - I said that I have spent many years in the UK - this does not mean that I currently live THERE. I am alive and well in the country that you have yearned and missed for 8 years, actually Just imagine, when you return, I could just be your neighbour. And yes, I do criticise people like you and Vedder. I have always found myself unable to respect daftness. And I dont think that you are laughing - you got very hot under the collar in the previous article - perhaps the pregancy hormones, the lack of sunshine?????

      comingback11 - 2011-01-06 22:26

      Cosmic.. You are a liar and bitter and twisted.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-07 13:30

      ComingBack, Bitter and twisted? Why? Liar? How do you arrive at this? I find it amazing and somewhat amusing that my location is such a hot topic? As far as I was aware I was expressing a concern that drinking and driving goes hand in hand. And then I am bitter, not to mention twisted? mmmm..... what a perceptive indidivual you are. Some people cannot enter into a healthy debate, I suppose I must just accept this. All the best and drive safely :-)

  • Margaret - 2011-01-05 09:38

    My friend I feel sooo sorry for you. Having such a narrow minded view on life must really impede you. Drinking alcohol for many people is not about getting drunk. It's about enjoying the drink - like you like drinking a soft drink. Imposing your narrow minded opinions on all of society is sick. If everyone who disliked something wanted their view enforced what chaos would there be? I would want premarriage sex to be disbanned, another would want speeding drivers disbanned, another would wnat the Bible disbanned, etc. etc. Where would it stop? Come on get a life and stop being so narrow minded.

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 14:09

      Dear Margeret I feel sorry for you too, the author did not try to enforce his view on you but share it with you, but yet you feel that way because of your narrow minded outlook into the world, "any one with a different view is out to get you". So come on, get a life and leave people asking for debate alone to debate

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 20:38

      Margaret: disbanned (sic) is not the same as band

      DW - 2011-01-06 08:28

      @ betweenu&me - and band (sic) is not the same as banned

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-06 08:41

      Oops :)

  • Marc Flowers - 2011-01-05 09:39


      wynlib - 2011-01-05 10:18

      You really need to study your history!

      Jupitor - 2011-01-05 10:33

      So Marc, how much crime in South Africa are from muslim trerrorists seeing as you want to ban all muslims from the country... also how much crime comes are alcohol related. Wait until your innocent mother and father and sister are killed by a drunk driver leaving you without a family...

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 11:29

      So Jupitor, how many innocent Mothers,Fathers,Brothers,Sisters were killed in 9/11 and other terrorists attacks conducted by Al Queda.So i think your comparison has no meaning!

      esther.vanschalkwyk - 2011-01-05 14:11

      And in Cape Town, most of the drug dealers are non-drinking Muslims!

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 14:14

      @Vedder - how many people were tortured and murdered by the Christian Apartheid government? How many people were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How many people were murdered in Christian controlled concentration camps in both SA (for god and country) and Eastern Europe (Catholic Church) How many people are killed every year on the roads because of drunken driving? Your comparison has no meaning

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 16:18 really came short when brains were bieng handed out!Yes nob head alcohol kills indirectly often.But because of that you cant ask for the production of alcohol to be banned completely.Try think about that before you come up with another stupid comment.Let me say it to you again-BAN PRODUCTION OF ALCOHOL!!That does no mean sell alcohol but produce alcohol!Can you imagine the loss of jobs, tax money paid on this to the goverment??Think before you talk!!!

      Marc Flowers - 2011-01-05 17:02

      Its amazing how stupid some people are - I was obviously being sarcastic - to the foolish writer who may have a few valid points has a ludicrous solution. wynlib - whats history got to do with anything I said. Jupitor is even more stooopid - crime has closer links to drugs - run by the muslims in WCAPE. Cervezab - go and live in a museum -I am talking abot the 21st century. Not all Mulims are terorists just like not all people who have a glass of wine or a beer commit carnage on the road. I hate to generalise - but a fact is fundamentalists are extremely narrow minded - who are the most fundamentalists gloabally currently ...go figure....for those that are too dumb to work it out like wynlib, Jupitor etc - I give you a clue - they wear dishclothes on their heads and have wives so ugly they have to hide their faces. I embrace all cultures colours and creeds provided they are not the root of evil - fundamentalists - who want to force their waprd beliefs on others.

      Aikatharine - 2011-01-06 02:02

      @cervezab Only concentration camps in SA ever, were the British camps which held predominatly white "Afrikaner-families" of whom 26000 individuals perished due to bad conditions and executions of individuals attempting to escape! These British might or might not have been Christian .. can't say for sure!!

      cervezab - 2011-01-06 06:15

      @Vedder - Europe and the States suffered economically when the slave trade was abolished, so did southern Africa when the ivory trade was controlled, but I guess money are enough reason to do anything, lets legalise hard drugs, prostitution and human trafficking too, that will really boost our economy just with taxing these people, but at least I see you are getting on topic, too bad you still rather use insults than well thought out comments to try and make a point, probably went to the same debate school as Julius

      cervezab - 2011-01-06 06:24

      @Aikatharine - during the time of the Anglo-boer war there was no separation of government and religion in the UK, and the official religion was Christian. Also the Motto of the Brittish army is "For God and country"

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 17:22

      JackRichard, There are people here who doubt my comment about the influence of drinking over one's ability to drive, and ultimately the correlation to road deaths. Thought Google may assist? JackRichard, lets be friends? No need for such bitterness? I know that you are not in the country of your choice, but try and be positive - you only have to November until you return to Utopia?

  • Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 09:40

    I agree with you on the detrimental effects of alcohol, unfortunately Abdullah making any popular substance illegal does little to curb the consumption. This can be seen by the volumes of drugs that are traded every day around the world. The end result is simply adding another burden to an already overburdened police force and at the same time providing another means for criminals to make huge sums of money. In my opinion the only way to change this situation is educate people, starting with the youth about the dangers and ills of alcohol/drugs. The next big challenge would be to provide them with the necessary opportunities to get some proper education and skills that they can use to find gainful employment.

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 10:03

      Totally agree!

      cervezab - 2011-01-05 14:24

      here are a few self help solutions to drink less 1. solve your problems, then you don't have to drink your problems away 2. go to bars with attractive woman 3. get friends that are more interesting 4. get the guts to tell your friends you love them while sober 5. get an education to feel smarter and exercise to feel stronger and dress better and wear make-up to feel more attractive

  • mark.nieuwoudt - 2011-01-05 09:40

    Cars also kill people, ban all vehicles. Factories cause pollution that cause death, close all factories. Lions kill people, kill all the lions (all wild life just be to safe). Wow Abdullah, you have really thought this one through....

      Goose - 2011-01-05 09:58

      Wake up Mark. Your comment is utterly childish!

      mark.nieuwoudt - 2011-01-05 10:17

      @Goose, Yes it is, excatly like the article.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:46

      No, cars dont kill people - it is the drunken/irreponsible drivers who kill people. Dont be childish.

      ismail83111 - 2011-01-05 11:03

      te most stupid comment I ever read in my life..Cars and factories are beneficial tools...the benefit outweights the harm as for alcohol the harm far outweights the good so should be banned.

      MP3 - 2011-01-05 11:05

      @Goose, are you like a retard or something?

      CommanderA - 2011-01-05 11:09

      Haha... Don't be childish Mark. Bad boy.

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 11:11

      Cosmic. How doe you know it's drunken drivers that kill? Who told you? Are you saying that ALL car accidents are caused by drunken drivers? It's you being the child here. You are not convincing us about your argument so you resort to personal attacks.

      mark.nieuwoudt - 2011-01-05 11:27

      @ismail83111, so the alcohol industry is all bad, except for the hundreds of thousands of jobs it creates, and the tourism factor as well. Yip... ban alcohol.... Cause unemployment. People abuse alcohol, its not alcohol that abuses people. @cosmic_99 - well if a car hits me at high speed, the car will kill me, duh ... just like that factory will kill me by causing cancer, not the drunk manager sitting behind the desk in the factory.

      mark.nieuwoudt - 2011-01-05 11:29

      @CommanderA, I can`t help myself ... P.S. its apartheids fault, they caused me to drink.

      Don - 2011-01-05 14:17

      Ahh Cosmic_99 finally woken up have you? As you say cars dont kill people, NOR DOES ALCOHOL!!! Its only when a human gets behind the wheel of a car or consumes alcohol then it a problem... Next!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 11:59

      Dodge, I am not sure how I have insulted you: If comments are childish, then I will label them as such. This is not a personal attack - it is a description given to juvenile comments. But lets get back to the healthy debate of substance abuse and driving: You can google and research the primary causes of road deaths in SA, but for ease of reference, I include this: "...The motor car is one of the most lethal weapons in our hands today. In South Africa more than 10,000 people die annually on our roads with alcohol being identified as one of the main causes of traffic accidents worldwide. According to the Directorate of Traffic Safety (1998: 10-5) South Africa’s accident rate is as much as 5 to 10 times that of other countries, and more than 50% of all fatal road accidents in South Africa are due to drunk driving Feel free to type in the URL : - it can assist you in your quest for knowledge. Arrive alive!

      ksgjackrichard - 2011-01-06 17:07

      cosmic_99 No need for your 'copy and pasting'. People here are not stupid..

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 17:55

      JackRichard, There are people here who doubt my comment about the influence of drinking over one's ability to drive, and ultimately the correlation to road deaths. Thought Google may assist? JackRichard, lets be friends? No need for such bitterness? I know that you are not in the country of your choice, but try and be positive - you only have to November until you return to Utopia?

  • kurtisflow - 2011-01-05 09:43

    my God turned water into wine, and who are u to now want it banned. i drink quite often, and ive never jumped into a car and driven while intocicated, nor have i ever gotten into a fight or become agrivated when i drink. i do tend to become hungry, and the next day i feel rather terrible...but i dont see how that can constitute a ban on alcohol. people who have deep rooted problems will all ways have problems and people who are Irresponsible will always be Irresponsible, so u cant blame it on alcohol. they use alcohol as an escape from reality, and if alcohol was illegal i guarentee they will use something else. half my friends are muslim, i would say 90% of them dont drink but about 70% of them use drugs... stop being a Hypocrite. I have never judged any of them for what they do, so u should rather invest your time in looking at yourself before you worry about us...

      ismail83111 - 2011-01-05 11:06

      You your logic I can say, I never committed murder so why should murder be is the effect on a large scale that needs to be looked at...How weak your arguement is.

      Jamesons - 2011-01-06 15:19

      Thats true, most muslims do cocaine and cat. They have offered it to me many times as they are my friends, but not on fridays ofcourse

  • Redson - 2011-01-05 09:45

    Many good points, but these are the reasons i disagree. 1. Democracy allows for citizens to have the freedom to make some choices no matter how foolish we think they are. South Africa is not (yet) an Islamic state and people still have choices. 2. Actually not all alcohol is bad for you and studies have shown the benefits of various types of alcohol for the human body, specifically red wine. 3. It's all about moderation. The following things can also put your and other peoples liives at risk: driving cars, flying in planes, sharing popcorn, religious control (sharia law), using electricity. These things are unsafe, should we ban them?

      Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 10:07

      Redson I would like to challenge you on point 2. Recent studies show that the alcohol itself in red wines has no effect on the useful compounds (flavinoids??). The same benefit can be obtained from drinking the grape juice before it is fermented.

      Redson - 2011-01-05 10:35

      I concede, however: Dementia: A French study found that people who drank daily in moderation were less likely to develop dementia than nondrinkers and those who only had one drink each week. Gallstones: Some studies have suggested that those who drink moderately cut their risk of developing gallstones by about 50%. Heart health: Moderate drinking reduces the risk of both heart disease and death by heart attack; studies have found variable risk reduction rates, ranging from 25% (various studies) to 40% (Nurses’ Health Study-a longitudinal study of 85,709 nurses). Ischemic stroke: Moderate drinkers have a 70% reduced risk for ischemic strokes, a leading cause of disability and death. However, heavy drinking increases the risk of suffering ischemic strokes. Type 2 diabetes: There are some indications that moderate drinking may reduce the risk for type 2 diabetes; however, consuming large quantities of alcohol actually increases the risk for this condition. Vascular benefits: Numerous studies suggest a 25% to 40% risk reduction for peripheral vascular disease in moderate drinkers. General health: A national (U.S.) study found that moderate drinkers are more likely to get enough sleep each night, exercise regularly and be at a healthy weight than nondrinkers and heavy drinkers. So the alcohol (in moderation) still benefits the user.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-01-05 13:40

      Also depends on the type of Drink. Again Red wine and whisky can have positive health benefits, while beer is generally quite unhealthy (when abused). However i agree with u Redson, it is all about moderation and the laws currently in place regarding drunk driving are in place. Drunk driving is illigal yet people still do it, therefor the law itself can make no difference.

      pierreedge - 2011-01-06 18:21

      The guy didnt mention an silamic state or any religious aspect anywhere, but this had to be included in your reply.... Poor abdullah, just because of his name, anytime he will post an opinion that might have links with islam, he wont be considered as just a guy with an opinion, but as an extremist muslim whose views dont count. The comments would have been totally different if his name was bob or pete , sad...

  • question2011 - 2011-01-05 09:45

    Met eish ja

  • OllieMor - 2011-01-05 09:51

    Abdullah, my dear muslim buddy. Clearly people like you should not be allowed to drink, but then again, you really shouldn't be allowed to populate either, and I don't see anyone trying to stop you. There is absolutely no reason why a responsible adult should not be allowed to have a drink. Some people should really just learn to respect others' lifestyles and choices.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:50

      But how many people are responsible when they drink?

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 11:03

      Ollie: Assuming that people are responsible when they drink is so naive!!

      CommanderA - 2011-01-05 11:13

      Haha. Stupid Question Cosmic. Don't be childish.

      OllieMor - 2011-01-05 11:36

      I can have a glass of wine one night a week. I don't touch my car keys when I've had ANY alcohol, and I know my limits. Do you not call that responsible?

      betweenu&me - 2011-01-05 12:19

      Yes Ollie, but that's you. Drinking in the safety of your home is one thing, but even so-called responsible adults can find themselves driving home drunk after a night out. Alcohol impairs one's judgement and most people usually think they're fine to drive, even if they're not.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 12:28

      Ollie, Why do you assume that the Author is muslim? This is very ignorant of you. By his name? By his stance towards alcohol? Very presumptious...

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 12:38

      Ollie, How am I being juvenile? Many people drive over the limit. What is troubling you about my question? Secondly, you claim that others should respect lifestyles and choices, but suggest that Muslims should not procreate? What is going on here? Let me guess, you claim to not be racist, but hate the Blacks? Yes, I am sure that you follow this 'logic'.

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 15:09

      Cosmic, "many people drive over the limit". If you make such a comment you must KNOW it for sure and even know some of them. REPORT them!!!! Simple, you won't have to worry anymore about them drinking and driving and killing and all those bad things!!!!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 12:03

      Dodge, I have taken the keys away from plenty of people. I have driven people home on many occasions. I have insisted that friends sleep over when they are under the influence. What are you doing about the situation, other than denying the seriousness of it?

      Jamesons - 2011-01-06 14:57

      At cosmic it is obviously he is a muslim and telling me to stop drinking, I think the auther can go and fly him self into a building.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 18:01

      Jameson, The Author raises some valid points - the fact that you wish death upon him is so unnecessary. Rather just focus on the valid concerns that alcohol abuse leads to, instead of guessing his religion and perpetuating the intolerance that dominates our world? Come on, even if you have to drink some Jamesons to become a little less aggressive?

      OllieMor - 2011-01-07 08:15

      Cosmic, you're not even worth an argument.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-07 13:44

      Yes, Ollie, Some people aren't. Especically insular individuals such as you. Please do as you suggest, and respect other people's lifestyles - as hard as you may find this to believe, this is not a one way process.

  • Goose - 2011-01-05 09:54

    @JudithNkwe "The banning of alcohol in the USA brought untold suffering as criminality grew exponentially." What a load of hogwash! Did you dream up this statement? Abdullah has a very valid argument and even though I have the odd beer, I am all for a total ban on Alcohol! Let's cut to the chase here shall we. Most people drink because they want to numb their connection with reality. They can't have fun as you can't act stupid and tell stupid jokes properly unless you are half inebriated. Alcohol has devastated society for as long as it has existed and attempts to defend the use of alcohol are hollow and basically lies.

      Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 10:17

      Goose, I agree with you on all your points except your take on the prohibition. Whilst JudithNkwe definitely exaggerated the growth of crime, it did lead to a whole new opportunity for crime which in turn allowed certain organisations to make massive amounts of money from illicit dealings.

      Sickly - 2011-01-05 10:48

      Knob, if I want to get hammered I can get hammered. Don't encroach on my rights. I don't mind being called shallow, bring it on! Love getting smashed with mates.

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 11:16

      Goose, start with voluntarily banning yourself and leave the rest to get on with their lives. Or are you one of those that needs laws to tell you what to do? I don't drink and I didn't need anybody or law to tell me not to do it. I also don't go around telling others they can't do it. We live in a democracy. Have you ever been to clubs and pubs in London and seen how many muslims from the middle east frequent those places? I wonder why?

      durbsviking - 2011-01-05 12:31

      "The tremendous growth in crime in the United States during Prohibition (1920–33) led to the formation of a national organization. After repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment put an end to bootlegging—the practice of illegally manufacturing, selling, or transporting liquor—criminal overlords turned to other activities and became even more highly organized" Perhaps Judith read it here?? As for "Most people drink because they want to numb their connection with reality" - where did YOU read THAT???. Bollocks, pure and simple. I have a lot of mates, most of whom enjoy a drink. No loss of grip on reality, no desire for it. I like the taste of beer, wine and a good whiskey. Do I get tanked - no, never. My kids are 17 and 14 and have never seen me tanked. Same goes for almost all my mates. This is not an argument for or against alcohol, but certainly against your sweeping statements.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-01-05 13:48

      that same can be said about fast food. If i eat out regually and with out moderation it can lead to a decline in my health (and even mental ability). Should we ban fast food. Secondly, though judith did over do it. Prohobition in America provides a strong case for two points. One, even though booze was banned, most of the population continued to drink. 2. If booze is not regulated, you will be exposing the population to more health risks as that booze may include more harmfull chemicals. You will be cutting the goverment off from a significant portion of income. Finally, the goverment will be infringing on my right to free choice. I also do beleive drugs and prostitution should be legalised....

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 18:07

      Onyx, You cannot compare the impact of fast foods with alcohol. Eating fatty foods is a personal choice which will in all likelihood only kill the eater. Granted, there will be potentail grief for the family and a strain on the medical aid, but other than that, as far as i am concerned, fat people can eat and eat and eventually die - i do not care - they have exercised their right to disrespect their health. However, alcohol abuse has much more far reaching consequences and drags innocent people down - ask anyone who has had the misfortune to lose someone in a road death due to other people's drunken and murderous behaviour.

      Sylar_DJ - 2011-01-07 10:57

      You know Cosmic, I've read all your statements hear and you have a good point or two, only you keep talking about alcohol ABUSE. what if you're not abusing alcohol, what if you want a beer in front of the braai while you're watching the rugby, or sitting at home having a glass of wine? would you consider that abusing alcohol? I'm over my days of getting comatose drunk but if I drink and do end up drunk...that was not the intention from the beginning, so I do not consider myself to be abusing alcohol.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-07 13:50

      Spyker, Driving over the limit as far as I am concerned is alcohol abuse - the quantity it takes to reach this limit is admittedly very low, but so be it. However, if someone is within the confines of their home, then consuming the same amount of alcohol would not be regarded as 'abusive'. Too many people in this country treat this issue too flippantly. I think that they need to spend a bit of time in first world countries where drinking and driving is monitored by friends and responsible citizens. People here seem to blame poor law enforcement. It's time people matured and accepted that they have societal responsibilities. I am pleased to see that there are improvement (car sharing, arranging taxis), but we still have a long way to go.....

  • cat- eye - 2011-01-05 09:54

    Some of the comments are rather unwarranted here. What has alcohol got to do with religion. The drunkard mentality prevails. Some of the commentators have had one to many this morning or they have great investments in these beverage companies

      ettienne.debeer - 2011-01-05 16:52

      i agree that a lot of this "debate" have unwarranted comments and badly thought out assumptions. However you belittle your initial point by assuming that those that did comment are drunkards and that they have indeed been drinking. There would be no reason for anyone that has a great investment in beverage companies to argue their point here.

  • Louis III - 2011-01-05 09:56

    One thing the "alcohol free" laws in the US (I think in the 1920's and- 30's) achieved was to CREATE a new crime element in the form of the "bootleggers" (Illegal brewing and distribution syndicates). Honourable motivation maybe, but bad idea. We have more pressing problems mate.

  • hb7of9 - 2011-01-05 09:57

    agreed, ban the stuff, only destorys lives

  • Blood_Doll - 2011-01-05 09:59

    Typical muslim view - If we don't like something ban it; or blow it up. The American gun lobbyists have this saying: Guns don't kill people, people do. The same applies to alcohol. When drivers are inebriated and causes accidents it's not the alcohol's fault, it's the idiot that consumed it's fault. Rattling off social evils purportedly caused by alcohol abuse is idiotic. Emotional or physical abuse is not caused by alcohol but by the idiot that consumed it. I am a heavy drinker; never had an accident because I don't drink and drive. I have never hit anyone because I had a few drinks in. Why? Because I'm not inclined to do so in the first place. It comes down to choice. Which brings me to the most important point - it's my damn choice to drink or not. You do not decide. If you want Sharia law move to Mecca and leave my civil liberties in tact. Thank you.

      supamike - 2011-01-05 10:04

      Spot on...100%

      Sickly - 2011-01-05 10:50

      Rah rah!

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-05 10:52

      Good to hear that you dont drink and drive. But how many people do?

      Vedder - 2011-01-05 11:59 right when you say people kill , but why.In Blooddolls case he has a point, these people kill for the simple fact they are not happy with with certain issues.And they happen to be Muslim terrorists!You cant deny 9/11!

      onemantribe - 2011-01-05 13:40

      @Vedder - Blood-doll's Islamophobia infuriates me - it has become the new Communism, and the world just cannot afford another 4 decades of a pointless war against yet another fake enemy, like the Cold War. More than that, he should know better than to lump all Muslims in the same category as intolerant, suicidal maniacs. I despise all religion, but more than that I despise brainwashed sheep who spout hurtful, awful comments about other human beings. Lastly, I suspect evil old men of politics hijack men's faith and pervert it for their own material ends, and that is what is happening with most suicide bombers. It is a perversionof Islam and I should not need to explain this to a bloodthirsty public baying for any blood, so long as it isn't theirs. Oh - and as for 9/11 - hey, man - Mossad, Cheney and the House of Saudi.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-01-05 13:51

      @Cosmic. Drinkning and driving is illigal. Therefor by doing it these people are breaking the law. What do you think will stop these people from getting illigal booze.

      comingback11 - 2011-01-05 17:39

      I can just imagine the illegal Shabeens! Not only the that the lost revenue the country will have from all there exports as well as all the thousands of job loses.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 12:05

      Onyx, Drinking and driving is not illegal. Drinking over the limit is illegal.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-01-07 08:43

      oh please, your arguments are irratic..fine while driving over the limit is illigal...ppl still do it. Talking/texting on your cell phone is illigal. People still do it. Driving with out a seat belt, or not ensuring their children are wearing a seat belt while in the front seat. PEOPLE STILL DO IT. Therefor, people are idoits....laws are already in place to prevent drunk driving. The fact people are willint to take that risk is more a poor relfection on their own poor we then ban a whole industry and cause tens of thousands of poeple to loose their jobs?

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-07 13:56

      Oryx, So, because people carry on behaving badly, must we all just give up and wait for their moral compasses to kick in? And continue to condone acts that cost people their lives? Of course we dont have to ban the alcohol industry - but sitting back and helplessly berating the human conscience (or lack thereof) is not the answer either.

  • supamike - 2011-01-05 10:00

    The abuse of alcohol is the problem. Not the alcohol itself. Distinct difference

      saturnz - 2011-01-05 10:05

      thats what I said earlier supamike, but I think the comments projected at Abdullah clearly shows the mentality and intelligence level of the people posting comments.

      miss piggy - 2011-01-05 12:48

      agree supamike, everyone here who wants alcohol banned should immediately stop drinking and ensure they have no liquor at home.Dont just bleat do something constructive

  • Louis III - 2011-01-05 10:07

    Oh dear, seem to have lost my previous comment. Anyway, let's try again: The banning of liquor in the US in the 20's and 30's (Prohibition laws, methinks)CREATED a new crime element in the form of so called "bootleggers" (illegal brewing and distribution syndicates) Same would happen here. Honourable motivation, bad idea. We have more pressing problems. I don't use alcohol, ever, but freedom of choice applies.

      Coop - 2011-01-06 11:41

      Too true. This can be easily seen by the banning of drugs creating enormously high prices for the same drugs and a series of drug barons that is richer than Bill Grates.

  • - 2011-01-05 10:08

    I dont know why everybody brings up the muslim thing. The dude asked a normal question. Well Abdullah... I do it cause I enjoy it. Obviously not everybody can control their intake and their control. But then same with food, smoking and religion (ALL religions).

  • Poloyatonki - 2011-01-05 10:09

    You see Abdullah we all unite to protect our beer, we put our differences aside and tell you straight on face that jy praat k@k broer...

      thundacat - 2011-01-05 10:19

      People who make use of a brain illegally should be removed from society permanently....clearly you are one of them..

      watalife - 2011-01-05 10:22

      Its the only good thing you have said all day. There is nothing better than a lekker cold Soweto Pepsi.

      Dave - 2011-01-05 10:28

      Careful Poly, you might have some of your enemies agreeing with you!

      CommanderA - 2011-01-05 11:17

      POLY FOR PRESI.... oh wait. What???

      Don - 2011-01-05 14:23

      Wow Poly have you turned over a new leaf and entire forest? must be the new years resolution!

      ettienne.debeer - 2011-01-05 16:59

      @thundacat good advise, how about you use it ?

      thundacat - 2011-01-05 19:27

      @ettienne.debeer...oh crap, another one that needs to be shot in the face...with poor grammar like yours, you shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard...go ask the idiot who sold you that brain for a there's some good "advise"...

  • - 2011-01-05 10:10

    Guess you are not very familiar with the Bill of Rights. In brief, it's the same allowance for people of any religion to practise their belief in this country that also allows those amongst us who responsibly enjoy an alcoholic beverage to continue doing this. Enjooy the freedoms we have here. We have a progressive outlook.

  • Treborani - 2011-01-05 10:13

    ALCOHOL, helping ugly chicks get laid since the dawn of time....

      JoeyBean - 2011-01-05 12:15

      Not forgetting ugly dudes too....LOL

      comingback11 - 2011-01-05 17:41

      And ugly men????

  • wynlib - 2011-01-05 10:17

    Abdullah, I completely agree with you. I am tired of the constant attacks on smokers but one idiot van wipe out a whole family without flinching. I agree that very strong measures should be put in place to control the use of alcohol (as opposed to a complete ban). I am also really disappointed in the flagrant attack on your religion on this list. I can only assume it is the same idiots that drink too much who will attack any religion while being ignorant.

      Irie Fairie - 2011-01-05 11:05

      well said! its crazy how people automatically shift to religion and race mode when something has been said... uneducated chops....

      lldoidge - 2011-01-05 11:20

      Start with yourself aynlib! Set an example!

      Shino - 2011-01-05 16:41

      I agree with you completely, though this article has nothing to do with drinking "too much". It has to do with some people acting irresponsibly after they've had "too much", i.e. Driving while under the influence, abusing woman/children, starting brawls, etc. If everyone acted responsibly, there would be no laws in the first place.

      comingback11 - 2011-01-05 17:48

      smoking should be banned!

  • watalife - 2011-01-05 10:21

    @ saturnz Chill out Slum have a lekker cold Soweto Pepsi. I know many Slums in the Capoe and we all dop together lekker. Its a myth to think Slums dont dop and are not gay.Its very prominent under the muslims in the Cape so get reall.

  • djg - 2011-01-05 10:26

    Why not blame the sale of alcohol on APARTHEID! Everything else is......

  • mwfrater - 2011-01-05 10:31

    1. Abdullah Saeed, South Africa is a Christian based country. Please go enforce your Muslim religion on your own native countries and not here. 2. Ever hear of the Prohibition? See how well that worked?

      CommanderA - 2011-01-05 11:21

      I wouldn't exactly say this country is Christian based Frater, not like America. More and more people are waking up with free thinking minds every day.

      daniel.kritzinger - 2011-01-05 11:22

      "South Africa is a Christian based country" No, it is not.. It is a secular country. Thankfully, there is a complete seperation of church and state.

      Lanfear - 2011-01-05 12:15

      "1. South Africa is a Christian based country" Most definitely not! We are a secular country, as it should and for which I am very glad. @ CommanderA - America is not a Christian-based country either although the Christians would like to think it is.

      Shino - 2011-01-06 09:58

      @CommanderA - I wouldn't say that the USA is Christian based either. Only 33% of the its citizens have accepted some form of religion, statistically speaking.

      Coop - 2011-01-06 11:53

      @Lanfear: The US motto is "In God We Trust". Part of their Pledge of Allegiance refers to "one nation under God". 78% of Americans claim to be Christian (

      Lanfear - 2011-01-06 14:41

      @ CooP - perhaps you should read the history of America and secularism. "In God we trust" was only added to the dollar(s) bills during WWII [for obvious propagandist reasons]. And the pledge of allegiance words "one nation under God" was only used for the first time in 1948 by Louis A Bowman. It was only adopted officially by Eisenhower in 1954 as part of the pledge. The pledge, constitution and monetary unit, were never intended to have any Christian overtones and the so-called "founding fathers" would turn in their graves. They explicity stated that State and Church [of any religion] must forever be seperate. No wonder, since that is what their forefathers originally fled from in Europe. Why do you think there is such an outcry and protests from non-Christians in the US at the moment to regain their secular religion-free government? 78% of Americans identify themselves as Christians true, that still doesn't make them a "Christian-based" country. Their constitution and rule of law is secular. The First Amendment ensures that.

  • tracy.davids - 2011-01-05 10:32

    If human beings were just a little more responsible and considerate then there would be no need for this article.

      ettienne.debeer - 2011-01-05 17:08

      I can't agree more

      So What? - 2011-01-06 11:39

      Hey, Tracy, best post! Alcohol in moderation (one or two drinks per day) has been found to be beneficial - exceed that and you are on your way of abusing it. So a responsible person would not exceed consumption in moderation and would at the same time be considerate to others, be they family members or other road users for example. One can only laugh a hernia with the fights going on about religion and nationality, as well as the name calling by some on the other posts.

  • SiphovdMerwe - 2011-01-05 10:37

    Abdullah Saeed, you are on your own on this one. I could actually see myself going without alcohol until you likened it to herbaceous sensimilla. Then I knew you were mad. How do you tell the ground to stop producing the herb?

      Big Mouth - 2011-01-05 11:04

      Lol.... I just wish that it would produce itself in all it's glory somewhere in my garden, preferably out of view. Save me all the missions, to score a spliff every now and then. LEGALISE !!

  • - 2011-01-05 10:40

    Abdulla Saeed - you quote a few issues regarding alchol and related crimes and offences. I do not agree with your position on the banning of the sale of alchol and the banning of alchol adverts. Alchol has been consumed over many years by many people of different walks of life. It is the irresponsible use of alchol which needs to addressed. We saw the banning of tabacco products. Are fewer people smoking? No. The wine industry and the advertising agencies are huge concerns in SA and across the world. Limiting advertising will have a detrimental impact. Alchol should be used responsibily and authorities should rather review there policies on the willy-nilly issuing of liquor licences to shebeens and taverns.

      Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 21:36

      To pick out a specific point, there has been a significant decrease in the number of smokers since the tougher laws and higher taxation was introduced.

  • mrcnel - 2011-01-05 10:41

    Good article! I totally agree; i have given up drinking based on the fact that when you drink, you become a different person (obviously on variying levels depending on the indivudual) Problem is, drinking is like smoking. there's just too much money involved for any drastic measures to be taken against its abuse... Its a sad day when people defend the right to drink & smoke based on personal choice... just cos you have the right to do something doesnt mean its right to do!

  • DeonL - 2011-01-05 10:43

    It would be interesting to know if the writer is a devoted muslim and therefore don't drink himself? He is biased. Rather ban extremist groups worldwide.

      Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 21:38

      In other words all religions as they are all extremist in some fashion or other.

  • cr1t - 2011-01-05 10:45

    Should we ban motor cars then as well.

      cosmic_99 - 2011-01-06 18:11

      no, just crap drivers.

  • vinous.winous - 2011-01-05 10:56

    Numerous world wide studies have proved that there are health benefits to consuming alcohol in moderation. They also show that people who consume alcohol in moderation live longer than those that do not consume any alcohol.

      Coop - 2011-01-06 11:57

      Kinda true, although you may find that most of those studies were sponsored by liquor companies lol. There are loads of studies that demonstrate how bad alcohol is too.

  • Big Mouth - 2011-01-05 10:57

    Only if we can ban religion, which causes an equal amount of tragedy.

  • Irie Fairie - 2011-01-05 11:02

    Alcohol will never be banned, considering the amount of taxes it generates...

  • Big Mouth - 2011-01-05 11:02

    Ban life, as it is the leading cause of death !!

      jwill - 2011-01-05 11:21

      good one!!!!

      Lanfear - 2011-01-05 12:11


      Mikemcc - 2011-01-05 21:38

      Haha.. excellent!

  • Goofy - 2011-01-05 11:06

    Hi Abdullah, Banning alcohol is no solution to prevent social ills, it's the same as arguing that guns or religion are the reason why people kill people, people kill people... The problem is that alcohol exacerbates an already underlying problem, either socially or logistically... Also banning alcohol where there are people that do enjoy it responsibly is going to cause plenty of people to do drink illegally as well, creating new criminals from previously legal citizens... As already mentioned prohibition as created a lasting effect that can still be seen today... Alcohol has been ingrained into society over thousands of years so you also have that to overcome... To solve social ills, one should solve the underlying problem instead...

  • jonathan.pohlman - 2011-01-05 11:06

    Everthing in moderation!

  • MP3 - 2011-01-05 11:06

    What a pointless letter.

  • jwill - 2011-01-05 11:08

    Abdullah, Your argument does hold merit for this country. However, every asked yourself why countries like France, Spain and Italy have got a lot less alcohol problems....even though their per capita consumption is higher? It's got a lot to do with the "drinking culture" that people are brought into. In those European countries children are exposed to the "healthy" role of alcohol from an early age. Alcohol is seen as part of the food culture...not as a substance to numb yourself from feeling anything. To change our "drinking culture" is going to take a lot of political will and years of social reform. Therefore: do we tackle this challenge OR do we go the other route and ban alcohol & thereby promoting illegal trade. Without changing the "drinking culture"....banning alcohol won't change much.

  • Inge - 2011-01-05 11:15

    So many people's jobs depend on the liquor industry in SA - directly and indirectly - banning "legal" alcohol would be disasterous to the country's economy. More unemployed South Africans are a burden on us all and would increase the crime rate and other social problems we already have. The truth is that if someone can't have their drink legally, they will do it illegally.