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Bring back the strap

2011-11-01 07:15

Dear Editor,

Corporal punishment in schools as well as for young criminals should be reinstated immediately. The absence of this wonderful remedy for recalcitrant and unruly youngsters is one of the main causes of our failed education system.

This practice is as old as man's existence on earth and has held the fabric of societies together for thousands of years.

Most people in our country are members of one or other of the Christian Churches and use the Bible as a guideline in their daily lives but the government choose to ignore the explicit instructions about the use of corporal punishment.

Some youngsters can be persuaded to toe the line by just laying down rules and explaining the difference between right and wrong to them, but for the hard cases there is only one cure and that is the stick.

Even animals use a sharp pinch (baboons) or a sound slap (leopards and lions) to teach their young to behave.

This magnificent teaching aid should be brought back but should be regulated by appointing one person of good character and moral standing to each school to do the necessary.

In next to no time we shall have a model education system and well-behaved children.

Izak

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Comments
  • Van - 2011-11-01 07:29

    I agree with you 100%. The problem is that parents want to be their kids friends first instead of being a parent first.

      tinus.kotze - 2011-11-01 08:45

      I do have one question, how do you protect that 10% of children who's parents hit them due to anger? The law is used internationally not to become friends with children, but due to the thousands of children that is abused by parents. Have a chat to social workers who spend each day working with numerous cases of child abuse. I believe there is place for corporal punishment, but I have also seen in upstanding neighbourhoods the negative affects of fathers becoming frustrated and abusing their children without ever realising the emotional damage caused by it. Many parents see corporal punishment as the solution to everything, despite their being alternative methods. But these methods take much more time, effort and creativity, and also since our generation is the first which have to use the alternative method most of us are not yet equipped with the knowledge. So back to the first part: 1. How do you protect children from child abuse if you allow corporal punishment? (Well done to the people below for understanding that a spanking should never ever be done while you are angry or frustrated) 2. How can you force parents to educate themselves on alternative punishment methods and then to actually do the effort to apply them before considering spanking? PS: Coming from someone who has never ever had a spanking from a parent, who is a parent, had friends that was abused, and has a sibling who is a social worker focusing on child abuse

      corne.hubinger - 2011-11-01 10:20

      @Tinus - People that abuse their children will abuse them whether corporal punishment is legal or not...

      Van - 2011-11-01 10:29

      Thanks Corne.

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 11:02

      Tinus, so because my crazy mother poisoned my ice cream, we will ban all ice cream? 1. There is a difference between spanking and abuse. Those that want to abuse kids will do so irrelevant of any laws. Spanking don't lead to abuse. 2. Do you think people want to spank their kids? Don't you think that for the normal sane parent spanking is already the LAST resort? Again, those that wish to abuse children will do so anyway. This doesn't mean a good old fashioned spanking should be outlawed.

      tinus.kotze - 2011-11-01 13:32

      OK, I stand corrected, corporal punishment is still legal in SA by the parents. In that case I support the law without reservations. If my child really does need a hiding he can get it at home, somewhere where I have control. There is no need for a teacher to administer it. Given the fact that it is still legal to administer a hiding as a parent, does the law really still bother you guys so much?

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 14:24

      Thinus, No. I certainly would not want a teacher hitting my kid without consulting me on the issue first. :)

  • Piet - 2011-11-01 07:35

    Ooo Izak! You just know that there will be a load shout from the Liberal Corner. My kids are well behaved and respectful and one of the tools that I use is spanking. Never in anger and never without them knowing why they are getting a slap on the bum! If that is wrong then arrest me, but all this nonsense about spanking and how that leads to violent individuals, is total Bull (a word that News 24 wont like)!

  • Iwan - 2011-11-01 07:53

    Agree, as long as the parent is calm and in control. Never physically punish a child when not in full control. I've seen the sweet talk thing from parents (especially mothers) - and it doesn't work.

  • rlong1952 - 2011-11-01 07:57

    Agree 100% too especially with what Piet said. However, you can as Piet said, expect a violent response from most people. Unfortunately, this topic has been kicked around before on this website and it just degenerates into a slanging match between the two opposing sides. I can see that happening again. Sorry to be negative, but I really believe it will go that way. Thumbs up to those who believe in disciplining their children and not letting them become little monsters.

  • Peter - 2011-11-01 08:02

    In my school days in the 60,s we were caned for a lot of things, I was at a private school .It certainly did us no harm and must say I agree ,bring caning back .If the Kids are naughty or bad give them 6 of the best

  • jeremy.schaffner1 - 2011-11-01 08:04

    Amen to that, brother. Where under good regulation, as in my case, it never did me any harm, only good. The fact is, idiot liberals are only interested in breaking down the fabric of society with their new age ideas. The same crew are also behind the breakdown or undermining of the family, espcially prevalent in the garbage turned out by Hollywood and their ilk.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-04 11:33

      As I usually say: Liberals Breed Criminals. That's true in almost every way they conduct themselves and screw with the good things in society.

  • shane.jacoby - 2011-11-01 08:14

    Finally, yes please! If kids are naughty, a hiding will get message across of right versus wrong...

  • Hennie - 2011-11-01 08:18

    Agreed. I know I would have been a walking disaster without it. Even with it I was pretty naughty. It is essential to drive home a lesson and provide incentive not to be naughty again.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-04 11:28

      Exactly! Even though it was illegal, some teachers still used corporal punishment while I was in high school. I tell ya what, teachers could dish out detention and sending kids to the principle's office but it had zero effect. When corporal punishment was used it snapped us straight back into line. It's a pity this world is run by liberals... there's so many ways we could improve things without them holding the sensible population back.

  • Michael - 2011-11-01 08:22

    "This magnificent teaching aid should be brought back but should be regulated by appointing one person of good character and moral standing to each school to do the necessary." Rather like a designated executioner @Izak? The inescapable truth of this barbaric form of punishment is that it evidences poor cognitive ability on the part of people who sanction such punishment. Aside from a warm backside, what exactly do errant kids learn from this and how is the behaviour, that led to the punishment, corrected? There are far more creative options to modify incorrect behaviour @Izak. The punishment should always fit the crime!

      jason.dutoit - 2011-11-01 08:33

      spoken to a school teacher lately, michael? the means at the disposal of the teachers are not sufficient to maintain discipline.

      Jed - 2011-11-01 08:34

      Michael, remember the London Riots, not so long ago. 70% of those rioters were under the age of 20. Bet you if they knew there parents would beat them with in an inch of there life if they took part, they would'nt have been near the riots.

      Hennie - 2011-11-01 08:39

      You don't drive home every lesson with a spanking. Only the ones where the children needs incentive. It is always only applied when other methods failed. The world is not full of absolutes. A good parent uses all the tools available to them.

      rlong1952 - 2011-11-01 08:44

      Yes. the punishment should fit the crime. No one is advocating beatings. We are talking about a good smack at the right time. Some children react to talking to, some don't so there for it is courses for horses. There are some children that only respond to 'tough love'. So you can protest till you are blue in the face, but you are wrong to rule out that sort of discipline. I am an Educator that has taught thousands of children in my 30 years plus in education and the father of two well-balanced, wonderful children who got a smack when needed and can assure you that there is nothing wrong with a good smack at the RIGHT time. Of course you don't always smack a child, there are creative ways to discipline SOME children, but they are all different and require different forms of discipline, one being a good old-fashioned smack.

      Zaq - 2011-11-01 08:46

      "There are far more creative options........" Name them Michael - would really love to hear about them!!

      rlong1952 - 2011-11-01 08:47

      Sorry for the typo, it should read 'therefore' and not there for. Apologies.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 08:51

      Deeply disturbing that 9 peeps here (and probably climbing) sanction corporal punishment - what does that say for their intellect? So let's say that we sanction this form of punishment - where does one draw the line? My experience is that the good teachers NEVER had to resort to this form of punishment - not even with the worst reprobates one could imagine. Nuff said!

      Michael - 2011-11-01 09:16

      For starters @Zag, teachers must lay down a firm basis for conduct in the classroom at the outset of the year. This is captured in a "code of conduct" entered into between teachers and learners, where the expectations and rights of all are acknowledged. Everyone signs this "code" and it is made visible and re-visited when the need arises. When a child is disruptive, for instance, it is symptomatic of him/her being bored. Remedies would include putting the child on the spot and getting him/her involved in assisting with or even presenting an activity. By empowering kids and demonstrating trust in them, negative energy can often be re-channelled in a positive way. My life mentor taught me one invaluable lesson - "they can if only we would let them!" Insufficient space here to deal with every instance, so it would help if you indicated what form of behaviour. Just one last thought though. Most kids actually WANT to learn, so when there is ill-discipline, it impacts on their RIGHT to do this. This simple truth is a powerful weapon in the hands of teachers - properly harnessed peer pressure is an awesome weapon in the hands of teachers!

      rlong1952 - 2011-11-01 09:29

      Michael, I am afraid you are living in a fool's paradise if you believe all you wrote. In Utopia, I would agree but we are not there, so unfortunately that doesn't always work. Not all disciplining happens in the class but also outside the classroom.

      Iwan - 2011-11-01 09:30

      Michael: 1. How on earth do you connect corporal punishment to intellect? 2. "My experience is that the good teachers" and that is the problem, there are not enough good teachers. That is fact - in lala land their is enough, but not in our schools. 3. I can see you enjoy debating on these News24 forums, and noted that sometimes your debating compares to borderline trolling.

      Justin - 2011-11-01 09:36

      Michael - I totally disagree with you. If corporal punishment is dished out in a responsible manner, it is THE MOST effective form of instilling a lesson in a child. Children these days are spoilt and bad mannered for the most part, and that is because of this new age garbage of not disciplining ones child. Your use of Peer Pressure is simply a form of mental bullying. I know from experience, a smack would bring me into line faster and more effectively than mind games which our already under-qualified teachers don't have time to play.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 10:10

      OMG you are soooooo funny @Iwan. So you want to "empower" poor teachers by giving them a cane? Do you realise just how stupid that is? If your definition of "troll" is somebody who brings concrete debate to this forum (instead of blinkered baggage) then I guess I'm it. Amazing how many commentators on this forum seem to think they have the moral high ground on every issue. My views are clear and I have (and always will) acknowledge yours - just remember that the truth is seldom born out of a single vantage point. I will leave it there for now.

      Iwan - 2011-11-01 10:20

      "seem to think they have the moral high ground" AND "sanction corporal punishment - what does that say for their intellect"....hehehehe - enough said.

      mastersvoice - 2011-11-01 11:52

      Michael is quite right. Rioters in London have little to do with being beaten at school! Discipline is not attained by beating children into submission! If you want children to become little people that accept everything from anyone in a position of power or seniority, then may I remind you how us white South Africans simply accepted everything the Nationalist government fed to us! Remember how easily they could justify their actions, and how little we all did! I say we should promote individual thinking - rather than simply put it down as ill-discipline. Let our children look up to our teachers because they are being stimulated to think "out of the box". Let's teach our children to question, rather than to accept.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 12:08

      Amen and ty @mastersvoice - at last a voice of reason :-)

      Justin - 2011-11-01 16:22

      You say Amen - a voice of reason @ Michael - however your one sided mentality is obvious with this comment - for you reason is anyone who will agree with you - to me, reason can be a good argument from some body else which you don't necessarily agree with, but that makes sense - that is reason. Reason is NOT when someone agrees with you. Please don't make this mistake again - it is embarrassing for you.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 16:44

      ROPMFSL @Justin you are soooooooo funny - tx for the laugh. I haven't seen a single PRO corporal punishment comment that evidenced any thought or added anything to the letter. Would you rather have me lie and pat peeps on the back when they have clearly not applied their minds?

  • Ben - 2011-11-01 08:23

    It is very fortunate that at least some people still have the sense to base their morality on Christianity as we have done for a long time. In the UK this is out of fashion and unacceptable nowadays with the result that the population have nothing to base their morality on. The result is feral children with rickets, no reading skills, no social skills, no reason to study, no reason to take responsibility for anything and displaying absolute narcissisism.

      Van - 2011-11-01 10:24

      @Sharon And your point is?

      Iwan - 2011-11-01 10:32

      Sharon, another atheist using the opportunity to have a bash at Christians. It's getting old Sharon. If you are angry at Christians, get yourself one and hit the sheeet out of him, maybe you will feel better afterwards. For now, concentrate on the topic.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 10:33

      It's called the holy trinity @Sharon - at least do someone the courtesy of finding out what their religion is about before making silly statements such as "... by my count that's three separate entities or gods, which one do you worship?" I don't think @Ben was claiming that Christians have exclusive bragging rights on morals or values - simply that Christians espouse these.

      mastersvoice - 2011-11-01 11:04

      Ben - I disagree that morality can be based on Christianity. Christianity is a religion that is molded to fit into the existing social morality. Some of man's most despicable acts have been done in the name of Christianity (This holds true for most religions). When social morality goes, religion goes with it. We should also not confuse fear for discipline. Corporal punishment is used to strike fear into children so that they don't step out of line. I don't believe you can learn much from people you fear, therefore it has no place in schools. Teaching occurs when minds are being stimulated - this is where our schools are actually failing.

      Michael - 2011-11-01 11:20

      @mastersvoice well at least we are agreed on the destructive effects of corporal punishment. As for your other point, it is EXTREMISTS that bring about violence and not ordinary believers per se. Ordinary believers evidence strong ethical and moral values in everything they say and do.

  • Billy - 2011-11-01 11:04

    Because you needed someone else to beat you backside to get you in line and because you fail to dicipline your child correctly thus requiring others to do it for you does not mean it EVER gives you the right to impose it on others. So go ahead and put it in schools...but the first teacher to lay a finger on my child goes to the hospital...

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 11:11

      I'm for spanking but it should be done ONLY by the principal AFTER getting the written consent of parent and after the issue was discussed and agreed with said parent.

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-04 11:18

      Billy, your kid must be one spoilt brat. I'd bet you give him anything he demands. You're part of the reason why there's a complete lack of discipline in schools these days.

  • rlong1952 - 2011-11-01 12:25

    This is just going round in circles, same topic rehashed. People will never agree on this and it is just as I said in an earlier post. It is degenerating into a slanging match. Absolutely pointless to continue. I feel sorry for the original poster but this was bound to happen.

  • Derek - 2011-11-02 12:29

    If my God said in his good book that I should beat my children I'd find myself another God, perhaps one that believes in love and compassion.

      rlong1952 - 2011-11-03 01:47

      Where in the Bible does it say you must 'BEAT' your child? Amazing the people that know the least about the Bible always have the most to say.

  • Gerhard - 2011-11-03 19:02

    Note: I am another Gerhard. What interesting views and discussions from everyone! Corporal punishment will never be reinstated in schools based in religion because of the court case that Christian Education (private schools) lost against the minister of education in 2000. I am a Christian parent that still spank my children seldom or threatening them with a spanking BUT I believe that corporal punishment should be illegal in SA homes. We are caught up in a tradition of spanking which I believe is a vicious circle of violence. Corporal will never be reinstated in schools and I strongly disagree that 1 person should administer corporal punishment in a school. To throw more oil on this fire - I believe it is a matter of a few years before corporal punishment will be illegal in SA homes. You are all welcome to google my research "Educators perceptions of corporal punishment". Please do not read all 121 pages, just read chapter 5 :-) Izak, you must accept that corporal punishment will never be reinstated in schools. And you as a parent cannot give a teacher permission to administer corporal punishment to your child at school - it is illegal.

  • leorene.minnaar - 2012-05-03 21:05

    I agree 100% with Izak. God tells us that, if we love our child we will give them a hiding "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes" Pro_13:24

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