Aliens 'responsible' for ancient knowledge

2011-09-28 14:43

Cape Town - Ancient traditions of contact with extraterrestrials are reflected in continued class inequalities today, an author has said.

"All the way through ancient civilisations, the primary thing that I found was that [in] every single tradition from around the world, people were visited by these 'people from the sky'," Wayne Herschel, author of The Hidden Records and the Cosmic Tree told News24.

He said that ancient aliens travelled to Earth and passed on knowledge to civilisations that enabled the construction of megalithic structures.

"They made contact with the kings - their leaders - and gave a whole lot of information on what they can do with their lives. And it seems every single one chose to make these teachings and writing sacred for their elite people only, whereas the commoner and poor and the enslaved were restricted from it."

This theory has not found support among mainstream researchers who regard it as junk science, but they concede that there are many puzzles about the construction of ancient in many parts of the world, including Sacsayhuamán (Falcon's head) near the city of Cusco, Peru.

Secret traditions

Göbekli Tepe in Turkey has been described as the most ancient temple, dated at about 11 000 years old. German scientists working on the site for 13 years have not found any tools that could have been used to build the huge structures.

The walled complex of Sacsayhuamán was the former capital of the Inca empire and was built of large polished dry-stone walls, each boulder carefully cut to fit together tightly without mortar.

"It's amazing all the weight of the stones... It's difficult definitely for any human to move, even in groups. In some stones we see there are some marks that it seems that it was dissolved," said Jorge Luis Delgado Mamani who has studied the stones for a number of years.

According to Herschel, modern wars are a strategy to continue the secret traditions passed down from ancient times.

"I still think it's been fought, the wars today, of groups of people that are very powerful, that believe that they are only entitled to those sacred truths about creation, about the bloodline."

These ideas were first suggested by Zecharia Sitchin who wrote The Twelfth Planet and Erich von Däniken, author of Chariots of the Gods?

The hypothesis suggests that the ancient structures could not have been built without help from extraterrestrials that left the planet after a great cataclysm.

Ancient heritage

"If you look at the way they've built... there's an advanced race that is lost, an advanced time. And these really seriously ruined remains; something has really happened: A grand earthquake, flood, whatever it is. It seems quite likely.

"What we've got left is their raw foundations; all the technology is lost. I bet you some pieces of technology have  been found and the elite people around the world have gone and sought after them and collected them," he said.

Herschel said that modern elites wanted to prevent the public from having knowledge about their ancient heritage in order to control the population.

"They don't want the public to know about our ancient past because then it opens up the knowledge that... all this stuff that brings people together, creates peace, unity - it's not profitable."

He disputes Sitchin's theory that the aliens reside on Planet Nibiru.

This theory suggests that the planet has an orbital period of 3 600 years, allowing extraterrestrials to visit Earth when their planet is close.

"This is because of the cataclysmic event that took place in the solar system. Whatever caused the asteroid belt was planetary collisions, I agree with Sitchin's story thus far, and caused the biblical flood - when something hit the ocean and caused every country in the northern hemisphere to flood," said Herschel.

Listen to highlights of the interview with Wayne Herschel: UFO by Maaike Veeling

- Herschel will be speaking at the UFO, Science And Consciousness Conference Johannesburg from November 25 - 27.

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  • I Like Everything - 2011-09-28 14:49

    I like this article

      Succubus - 2011-09-28 15:41

      I wonder if the aliens who supposedly visited ancient humans, were also them selves visited by 'other' aliens during 'their' own ancient historical period of technological evolution? And then recursively, is it always the case that an intelligent civilization in the universe, is always visited by another more advanced space faring civilization, while the former is still passing through its technological infancy? Has there ever been a technological civilization in the universe, who were 'not' ever visited by a more advance space fairing alien race, while they were still passing though there own respective stone ages? Of all the possible explanations for what 'appears' to be alien intervention among early humans, why are the most 'unlikely' ideas always chosen first? Never the less, just like 'I Like Everything', I like this article too.

      sardonicus - 2011-09-28 15:42

      Ever watched Stargate? You'd like that a lot!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 15:54

      How else do you explain, Mike Tindall's nose, Sarah Jessica Parker's dress sense,Robert Mugabe's logic & George W Bush's presidency ?!!! They walk amongst us, I tell you ! °Ö°

      Succubus - 2011-09-28 16:02

      Here are the possibilities. (1) Humans evolved technologically on their own, with out any assistance from either extra terrestrial aliens, or interdimensional beings. (2) Extra terrestrial aliens with the technology to travel between interstellar space some how found the ancient stone age humans on earth, even though the alien SETI programs could not detect any radio signals eminating from earth in order to indicate that a stone age intelligent civilization was busy evolving on earth at the time. But never the less the aliens some how found us with out a radio signature from our star system, and they decided to pop over to teach us all about politics, how to smelt and work metals, how to farm, etc. (3) Inter dimensional beings such as the Nephilim spoken of in the Book of Enoch and other ancient religious texts, decided that physical human chicks from this dimension here on earth were hot (which they are), and so they decided to manifest them selves in our plane of existence, specifically in the local of planet earth, in order to get gigi with the earth chicks, ...and to teach us all about politics, how to smelt and work metals, how to farm, etc. (4) Humans from the distant future who have learned how to implement a form of time travel, went back to the stone age, to re-teach them selves how to get to where they are in the future. (5) Some combination of (2), (3) and (4). Out of all these options, why do people always ignore the most rational possibility, ...(1)?

      zaatheist - 2011-09-28 16:20

      @Succubus I assume you mean @1 - the only rational possibility based upon evidence. Of course if you have verifiable evidence for anything else then provide it.

      Shakes - 2011-09-28 16:43

      @Succubus ARRRRGGGG THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!!!! He showed me how to make the wheel and then some bugger hijacked it for his own. MAY THE LORD REBUKE YOU SATAN!!!

      RobbedZombie - 2011-09-28 16:47

      @Succubus When you put it like that you take all the fun out of it. Logic and empirical evidence does not sell books/movies as well as "the aliens made us do it".

      Luan - 2011-09-28 17:00

      Oi... Rationality is scarce these days. (Hancock failed in 'The Fingerprints...') to turn over mainstream history (Evolution (macro) has never been rational... hence the DEBATE) (Atheism... ya...)

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:14

      @succubus: theres nothing rational about moving a 800 tonne (est) stone 8km and carving and placing it next to 40 others so exactly that not even a paper can fit in between, in a time when RATIONAL says people where living in caves.

      LuLuBug - 2011-09-28 17:28

      I like everything! I like your humour! :)

      Succubus - 2011-09-28 17:40

      KidBlack, You don't require alien technology to move big stones. You require 100's of slaves, and the patience to wait months, decades, or centuries to finish building what ever you're building out of big stones. Its amazing what you can do with a 100 slaves and some patience. You also don't require alien technology to carve big stones neatly and accurately. Again, you require skilled stonemasons with simple primitive tools, and lots of patience. When you hear an engineer on the discovery channel commenting that he believes a sarcophagus found in an ancient pyramid had to have been carved out using a power tool, this does not mean that it actually was carved out using a power tool. It means that a modern engineer who only knows how to use power tools, can not believe that an ancient stonemason could possibly have been patient and skilled enough to spend 40 years of his life carving out the sarcophagus, which a modern stonemason would do in an afternoon with a power tool.

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:44

      @succubus - I suppose these slaves could also swim with 50 tonne stones halfway across the planet and erect them on Easter Island for the hell of it?

      Harvey - 2011-09-28 17:49

      Kidblack. The Occam's razor game, play it with us. Which scenario makes fewer assumptions: 1. Earthlings of the ancient world were good craftsmen and engineers. 2. ET travelled to Earth to make us pretty D4's using telekenisis. Hint: Did you know more manual labour went into building the US railway system than the pyramids of Giza?

      Succubus - 2011-09-28 19:02

      Kidblack, You are quite correct. It would be irrational to surmise that the ancient Ester Islanders would have employed slaves to swim multi ton stones half way around the world. Ergo, the stones used for the Easter Island statues must have come from Easter Island. So we have some possibilities to consider. (1) The ancient Easter Islanders used slaves to swim the stones in from some other location on the planet. (2) Aliens came to earth and helped the ancient Easter Islanders transport the stones from some other location on the planet. (3) The ancient Easter Islanders used stone found on Easter Island for their statues. We have already established that option (1) seems unlikely. How ever, before we get to excited about option (2), it may be pertinent at this point to note that all of the statues on Easter Island are crafted from a particular kind of volcanic rock, whose chemical composition is the same as the volcanic rock found in the Rano Raraku volcano, ...on Easter Island. Archaeological excavations of an ancient quarry in the Rano Raraku volcano reveal not only evidence of mining operations, but also the ancient tools used by the Easter Islanders to excavate rock from the quarry. There is nothing wrong with option (2), and I have little doubt that there are other intelligent civilizations out there. How ever, it appears that the ancient Easter Islanders made their statues all on their own, from volcanic rock found in Rano Raraku, on Easter Island.

      Rowen - 2011-09-28 21:42

      Julius Malema is an alien from planet ANCYL and Zuma is his Creator!

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 07:06

      Succubus: Great posts!

      Jovano - 2011-09-29 08:31

      Here's another alternative. Humans evolved technologically and became highly advanced. Some elite humans left Earth for greener.. erm.. planets and the 'losers' were left behind. This all happened many many years ago and we all forgot about our ancestry in the meantime. :D

      LloydSix - 2011-09-29 08:57

      Great comments Succubus. It's amazing how people choose to ignore logic - especially when they don't understand something (i.e. haven't done any research) and then continue to employ some ridiculous far fetched theory in order satisfy their need for an answer. It's exactly the same as another popular story we are taught at school, even though not logical in anyway it is believed by millions despite solid scientific evidence to the contrary. Like you I don't dispute the fact that other intelligent beings exist, statistically it's actually quite likely but do I think they have visited earth? No. The mind boggles.

      Krush - 2011-09-29 09:51

      The Book of Enoch. - They were nephilim.

      kidblack - 2011-09-29 10:06

      @succubus: "Ergo, the stones used for the Easter Island statues must have come from Easter Island. " Thats where your assumption fails. Those stones came from the Andes.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 11:16

      kidblack: Care to provide proof for your statement?

      Succubus - 2011-09-29 12:41

      kidblack, The first Easter Island settlers, migrated to Easter island from South America along the western edge of the Andes, via the Marquesas Islands. The sea transportation of the time included canoes and catamarans. The statues of Easter Island are made of four kinds of rock. Most of the statues are carved from volcanic rock mined from an ancient quarry in the Rano Raraku volcano. The rest of the statues are carved from basalt, obsidian and scoria. The chemical composition of all of these rocks has been traced to known local sites around the island. The statue builders appeared to prefer Rano Raraku volcanic rock as it is lighter, softer and easier to work with than the basalt, obsidian and scoria from which the older statues were made. So, the 'people' of Easter Island came from the Andes, the stones that they made their statues out of, came from Easter Island.

      moreso - 2011-09-29 13:25

      Yes, let's equate our mysteries to aliens, at least that way we have something tangible and physical, which means we can kill them? Funny how you accept one unproven theory but discard the rest simply because you don't understand how it could be possible. Regardless, I have no doubt there are other lifeforms out there, the Bible speaks of this, but you choose to ignore it?

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 14:00

      @moreso The bible is hardly a credible source of scientific info!

      TheUgly - 2011-09-29 14:03

      Ok... somebody lied. I believe that it would be an awful waste of space if we were the only civilization in the universe, but I don't believe that we have been visited by extraterrestrials. Look at it like this. Let's say the universe is like a rain forest. There are huge trees, lush vegetation and animals everywhere. Planet earth would be a spore on the ground somewhere since the planet's first civilization has only been around for no more that a couple of 1000's of years, compared to a potential alien civilization which might be existing for billions of years. Where simply too unimportant. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

      texx - 2011-09-29 15:03

      The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...just because we cannot prove aliens visited earth doesn’t mean they didn’t. This argument obviously is reversible

      moreso - 2011-09-29 15:15

      @Ateis, It's not a scientific handbook, but that doesn't mean it's false. How do you expect a caveman to understand how to use lightning in order to communicate? He doesn't, so what's the use of giving a detailed explanation? Yet it's in the Bible.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 15:20

      The bible is not a scientific book. In fact, the bible is filled with loads of falsehoods, like the whole creation story, people being raised from the dead, the universe being created by a magician, bats being labelled as birds, everything created in 7 days, the existence of a god, heaven or hell. It has no place in science

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-29 16:21

      Sounds like someone has had one too many anal probes!!!

      moreso - 2011-09-29 16:39

      @Ateis, "falsehoods, like the whole creation story", and you think the big bang is realistic, why? Everything just exploded out of nothing? Where did it come from? How does that make sense in any way? "people being raised from the dead", maybe I'm wrong but I don't think any person was raised from the dead. Jesus on the other hand was. "the universe being created by a magician", oh I guess the person who 'invented' your toilet is also a magician then? "bats being labelled as birds", and a dolphin is a fish? "everything created in 7 days", you have half a dimension of time, no wonder it seems impossible. What do you think someone with an infinite amount of dimensions in time could do in what seems to you as a fraction of a split second? "the existence of a god, heaven or hell.", people don't go to either place as a reward or punishment, they go where they belong. Just like you don't group rotten apples with fresh ones? "It has no place in science", I think we are given the chance to study science to a modern degree in order to actually realise the existence of God. I think your body is an interface to physical existence, which would explain a lot. Physical existence might just be the most refined version, so it's a privilege to be here.

      Succubus - 2011-09-29 17:19

      moreso, " "people being raised from the dead", maybe I'm wrong but I don't think any person was raised from the dead. Jesus on the other hand was. " Actually the bible is full of zombies. - Lazarus, probably the most famous, aside from Jesus. - Jairus' daughter, possibly the second most famous zombie in the bible. - Tabitha the seamstress. - Nain's son's widow. - Shunamite's son. Those are just a few that bubble to the surface of my memory from back in the days when I too was once a religious nut. If my memory serves me correctly there are at least 7 or more cases of the dead being brought back to life in the bible. George Romero has nothing on the bible. Personally, I believe these cases have more to do with the poor level of forensic pathology employed at the time.

      Vela Stardust - 2011-09-29 21:42

      I am very disturbed after reading this article. I am worried the truth of my origins will be revealed. Excuse me while I beam up.

      Heretic365 - 2011-09-30 13:23

      Succubus! You're my hero.

      GetitRight - 2011-09-30 19:10

      For anyone interested who has an enquiring mind I would highly recommend a free electronic book that can be found on the's called THE THIAOOUBA PROPHECY by Michel Desmarquet.....highly recommended and makes fascinating reading....even for the sceptics. " Believing is not enough....".

      SunGod - 2011-10-01 05:58

      @Succubus Why is #1 to the exclusion of everything else? Is it not possible that we did all of those things and are also being visited? As for the assumption that advanced space-faring beings would need any kind of signature whatsoever coming from this or any other planet to know it's likelihood of containing life is quite moot considering the fact that we can determine it pretty well with tools as rudimentary as the telescope and chemical readings. I would think that a race which may have had many thousands or even millions of years more evolution than us in our current state would have just a tad more ability than the equivalent of us using didgeridoos and rain sticks to build the space shuttle. I grow tired too of people assuming that humans can't put rocks on top of other rocks, or even more amazing things that we do everyday, but the question of whether or not an advanced species is watching us is a different question altogether...

      Zion - 2011-10-03 11:29

      GetitRight, I think I must sue you for bodily harm. Dammit man, I almost split my sides listening to you. Ja, I went to that THIAOOUBA PROPHECY SITE and read most of the script. Man you made my day. It is obviously a hoax. The wording is not that of 58yr old educated male but seems closer to a female. The whole plot is so far out of earthly rational thinking and as for the technology man, that really had me in stitches. One can actually feel the sweet smell of romance between Thia and this ouk who is about half her height.Glad I never was 58. From a personal view I find it amazing that people can actually foist rubbish like this onto the gullible. Further, 99% of UFO's and ET's and the like are lies or hoaxes. The 1% we just know it excludes the aliens etc.but have no explanations. The classic hoax which has been with us a long time is the complete scenario of the Bermuda Tri-angle:- There is no mystery.

  • smahlaba - 2011-09-28 14:58

    Interesting stuff.

  • TastelessJoke - 2011-09-28 14:58

    Any reason this pseudoscience is posted under Science & Technology or are you just trolling us for the comments, Duncan?

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 15:12


      Ateis - 2011-09-28 15:15

      Indeed. What utter crap - if anything it's fiction. What is it doing under the science section. @kidblack Careful? Why? About what?

      sardonicus - 2011-09-28 15:36

      I was wondering the same thing, this puke has been brought up by several other people and is inline with the teachings of the Raelians. God is an alien, first he was one of us, just a slob like one of us, now he's ET.

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 15:43

      @all - only a fool assumes his truth to be the truth.

      Arno Young - 2011-09-28 15:57

      @kidblack 1=1.. fact or fiction? 'only a fool assumes his truth to be the truth.' is this the truth? Careful now.

      Neles - 2011-09-28 16:30

      agree, this should be on channel24

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:18

      So that makes you a fool then, doesn't it, kidblack?

  • Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-28 15:08

    Hooooookay. I'll agree with you on the aliens exist wholeheartedly, even that some might have visited us before, as some of the pictures say, but seriously dude, get an anti-paranoia pill.

  • Ateis - 2011-09-28 15:09

    "I bet you some pieces of technology have been found and the elite people around the world have gone and sought after them and collected them" How convenient! "Herschel said that modern elites wanted to prevent the public from having knowledge about their ancient heritage in order to control the population" Let me guess, the illuminati?

      birdman - 2011-09-28 15:23

      Microsoft!? Bill gates found all the answers contained in an old bottle on a shelf in his dad's was a code written in 1's & 0's

      Badballie - 2011-09-29 13:26

      @ ATEIS:- nothing wrong with sarcasm, but face one basic fact, you as with the rest of us are controlled in almost every aspect of our lives, this is not fiction it is fact. To everyone else the need you display to shout down any idea that does not conform to your own belief, is it so hard to turn around and say we don't know. would at the end of the day your entire world come crashing down around you if I provided proof that Nibiru exists, that we are evolved from apes and we were genetically engineered by aliens to advance to a higher level of awareness? I can but that's not the point anymore than believing in a God is the point even if 90% of the world population believe in a God, or people believing we have free choice but our names were written in the book of life or not before we were born. everything is possible and at the same time everything is impossible, the only truthful answer is we don't know. Science which we all believe is the truth has itself been debunked so often none of us really know what is and what isn't

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 14:08

      @BadBallie I don't "shout down" the idea - it's fiction, with absolutely no evidence. "I provided proof that Nibiru exists, that we are evolved from apes and we were genetically engineered by aliens to advance to a higher level of awareness?" I would love to see this "evidence". We are not evolved from apes, we are evolved from a common ancestor we share with apes. Evolution 101. "I can but that's not the point" What is this - a cop-out? If you can present it here for the world to see. And then, the gem at the end: "Science which we all believe is the truth has itself been debunked so often none of us really know what is and what isn't " How can 'science' be debunked? What, all of science? Every discipline? Do you know how the scientific process works? A hypothesis or theory can be disproven but that does not 'debunk science' Science is science whether you believe in it or not. It's self-correcting, that is why theories get refined or replaced by better theories.

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:12

      @ Badballie - "you as with the rest of us are controlled in almost every aspect of our lives, this is not fiction it is fact." If that is a FACT, please prove it. Pretty simple. The rest of your posting is just ignorant rambling. Just because you are delusional, do not expext the rest of us to us well.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-28 15:13

    HA HA HA HA HA HA Oh my! Do people STILL believe this tripe. The idea isn't even new, for Heaven's sake.

      Ateis - 2011-09-28 15:18

      Hehe, a quick google on Wayne Herschel provides even more laughs!

      daaivark - 2011-09-28 15:23

      HE HE. I see what you mean.

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:18

      i would love to see the look on your face when they arrive.

      euro-african - 2011-09-28 18:55

      My in-laws arrive Friday. They are alien to me. My face wont be happy.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:55

      kidblack: I didn't post anywhere I don't think life exists on other planets. However, I don't think they came to help the egyptians build the pyramids. Careful now.

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:19

      kidblack, what is your case exactly? Or is it just fun to be a dick?

      kidblack - 2011-09-29 10:08

      @pig: nice retort. very well constructed.

      d2eguy - 2011-09-29 15:13

      of course aliens exist ....... look around , the tinted folk are alien and they come from a planet called F#$%up .

  • cerveza - 2011-09-28 15:16

    I feel that the Hopi's theory that we are living in the fourth world is correct. They claim all modern civilizations have been destroyed in each of the 1st 3 worlds after all they lost their ways and got greedy and did not stop fighting each other. Only the good heartet/primitive people were saved each time, led away by Spider-woman and led on a long journey while the earth is purged for their return. That is why there are unexplainable building etc left over from lost civilasations. Not only does this sound very plausible, but is has Spider-woman in it. Does Wayne Herschel's theories have a spider-woman, if not, I stick with the Hopi theory

  • Crispy_Duck - 2011-09-28 15:17

    Oi vey....people will do anything for fame.

  • Elton - 2011-09-28 15:19

    Interesting article, watch a documentary called Ancient Aliens. its discusses this theory that wew were visited by ET's thousands of years ago. throughout civilisations there are depictions of alien aircraft visiting earth.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-28 16:01

      I did - riveting stuff! They make some excellent points, too.

      Juzt Mythoughtz - 2011-09-28 17:43

      And throughout the ages there have also been depictions of flying dragons, unicorns, spinxhes, winged horses, etc. And ten thousand years from now people just like you will no doubt argue that father christmas, the easter bunny, trolls, hobbits and Jesus were all real too, based on depictions found in old books.

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:22

      and for about as long as there has been printed word there have been tales of things like tooth fairies, flying reindeer, 7 little guiys that were into singing about having to go to work, naive gals that eat apples (how's that for a twist to the Adam/Eve thing?). Because stories about things exist doesn't suddenly make them bound out of the ether.

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:21

      I find it MUCH more believable to believe in ET's than what is written in the bible. If you watch "Ancient Aliens", they actually have what you can call evidence, and that's from many thousands of years ago! More than what I can say about the bible.

  • Patrick - 2011-09-28 15:28

    Look us a series called Ancient Aliens. 3 seasons devoted to this kind of research, some very interesting facts.

      Zion - 2011-10-04 15:55

      Yes I tried it and not convincing at all.

  • Brainbow - 2011-09-28 15:28

    We are the aliens.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-09-28 15:34

    I knew it !

  • The Third Wors - 2011-09-28 15:36

    Yup. Ancient Aliens... watch the series and be enlightened.

  • QuintS - 2011-09-28 15:39

    Also cannot believe that so called intellegent people believe this pseudo-science. There is a book that everyone must read to get a clear picture of what is going on here. It talks about the following: Is there really something going on? What do NASA and SETI believe? Is interstellar travel possible? Is there life on other planets? Did aliens create life on Earth? UFOs throughout history Famous sightings and contactees What does the government really know? Did a UFO crash at Roswell? What about those Men in Black? What’s going on at Area 51? What’s the force behind crop circles? The truth about alien abductions Research that is being ignored Are they interdimensional beings? UFOs and their religious appeal Did the prophet Ezekiel see a UFO? UFOs in the Bible—really? Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates. Get at or

  • sota - 2011-09-28 15:40

    This is called ancient alien theory and it is on channel 254 every sunday at 20H30. What we call angels (people with wings) as coined by our ancentors refers to people who could fly.

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:19

      in fact all modern religion is based on this. if people bothered to study up a bit more on their religion than the distilled 21st century "truth" nicely packaged and bound for consumption, they would agree with you.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:38

      kidblack: Is that now your 'truth'? Careful!

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:24

      Wow, kiddo, so let's have it then. Cast out that truth for us poor ignorant souls to revere and bow down in gratitude. Please. Cast thy benevolence our way.

      kidblack - 2011-09-29 10:16

      @pig : i was merely suggesting my observation that most people I come across do not bother to learn/read/gather/question more than they are told. You, on the other hand, have to state your point with sarcasm. Very nice. Top notch. Twat.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 11:08

      @kidblack And you seem to fall back to ad hominem attacks

  • saskia - 2011-09-28 15:41

    So much effort they put into all this just to conclude that God's word is correct. It's all in the bible. Get connected to Him and you'll get all the inside info.

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:24

      Oh my. Yes, thanks.

      Thermophage - 2011-09-29 14:26 no...

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:26

      Will he give me the winning lotto numbers?

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-28 15:41

    Duncan, pseudoscience is not a science. This is all complete rubbish! Why must you keep providing your readers with such utter, utter tripe?

      fudgepuppy - 2011-09-28 16:19

      Because it is called freedom of speech....

      birdman - 2011-09-28 16:48

      Because it explains how we can end up with a leader like Julius.. the aliens too have a sense of humour!

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:20

      because just maybe your conviction is wrong and Duncan, is in fact, closer to the truth.

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-28 18:08

      Freedom of speech is all well and good, but when people abuse that freedom to spread nonsense and call it truth, then those of us with enough common sense will use our freedom of speech to point out the nonsense.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:39

      The problem isn't that people invent crap like this. The problem is it's posted under SCIENCE - which it is not. If you disagree kidblack, I'd LOVE to see your proof. I can clearly see from your posts you spent a bit too much time reading fingerprints of the gods

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:25

      Ateis, the lad must have some umbilical connection to the all-knowing gods.

      Badballie - 2011-09-29 13:52

      and most science is junk based on mans understanding of circumstances that cannot be proven not to only be isolated to our specific area of space. Bottom line is if your mind is so controlled by modern dictate that you cannot question or have your view questioned you shouldn't even bother to post here. Rather leave that to people who are prepared to debate and expand their own knowledge through interaction.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 14:11

      @Badballie: "and most science is junk" *sigh* Why don't you go and return that PC you are using that "junk science" provided for you? "Rather leave that to people who are prepared to debate and expand their own knowledge through interaction. " Lol, prepared to debate? This is the SCIENCE section of News24, this article should never have been posted here, but as it has been, lets look at this from the viewpoint of science. Where is your EVIDENCE for your view?

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:29

      @ CapeTownJunk - if you think that is pseudoscience, try reading the bible.

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:34

      Badballie - it sounds rather your mind is controlled by the bible, which would make it neigh impossible to have YOUR view questioned, or to have a meaningful debate with you.

  • Charles du Toit - 2011-09-28 15:45

    Lightened up my day LOL. We're facing monumental problems with global warming and loss of habitat, yet a substantial minority of Americans thinks the world was formed less than 10,000 years ago and deny that evolution is possible. Many Americans seem to prefer coal-fired generators to nuclear power plants without realizing the toll in public health that coal imposes. Billions are spent, including tax-payer dollars, for so-called alternative medicine with no scientific evidence for its efficacy. And legislators often resist efforts to collect the data that could actually demonstrate which government programs are effective and which ones don't work as intended.

      Luan - 2011-09-28 17:22

      Group of Americans you say? Im not American. By the way, polls suggest 3-4 in 10 Americans believe Creation. Thats not a small amount. The fact is: history is not repeatable science, neither is evolution nor Creation. What is going to count at the end of days (which is coming) is whether you recognise Jesus as the Son of God and the only way to rectify your hateful nature towards the Creator. "You can tell the weather by looking at the sky, but you do not recognise the signs of the times" - Jesus Christ

      philjoubert - 2011-09-28 17:42

      Luan - just to clarify - you're grouping yourself with 75% of Americans for intellectual backup. Bad idea, they were happy to have Bush as their representative for two terms. Just pointing it out. Just because lots of people believe something - doesn't make it correct. History has taught us this much. I've met a LOT of really smart Americans, mostly in the 25% bracket - while we're generalizing and throwing numbers around that don't really exist.. You're not getting around this argument that way.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:43

      Luan Why bring evolution into this? And as for not "repeatable science" - stop reading creationist crud and read some real science books - read up a bit about the Lenski experiment. And since you are quoting benevolent zombie at us, right back at you: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish" -Albert Einstein "The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it. " —Astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson, on “Real Time With Bill Maher”, Feb. 4, 2011 "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away." —Philip K. Dick, author "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. " —Carl Sagan

  • toleranne - 2011-09-28 15:47

    People have so little confience in their own abilities, and the abilities of their fellow human beings, that they have to invent some "superior" beings, to which they ascribe all previous achievements. Yes there is lots on earth that is unexplained. And sure, if life exists on this planet, it is very likely to elsewhere in the universe. Why do people always assume that 'aliens' will have higher technology? If they travel to earth, maybe, but why would they want to come to this speck of dust in the whole wide cosmos? If they were really so clever, there are better places to go! There was a time when all ancient ruins - eg Mycenae, Babylon, Egypt, Stonehenge, etc, were ascribed to "giants". Well, archaeologists & scientists have over time found evidence for normal human origins of these constructions. The truth is out there ... and sometimes it is quite ordinary.

      birdman - 2011-09-28 16:51

      Hand me that pyramid block and i'll just set it in place. QED

      stateregyll - 2011-09-29 10:39

      tleranne - I think this - as in Occam's razor - in the well-documented, scientifically explored known universe, not a single sign of another form of life has ever been found - and we're talking powerful search facilities - which might just indicate Earth is the most highly evolved planet in the universe - and if anything it would be earthlings visiting other galaxies that would be more likely - and in fact is starting. This explains God's periodic visits in times of great travail, which have been documented as religious doctrine over the ages. So to my mind, religion and science are squabbling over the same piece of bread. Tough. Earth is the centre of the universe. get used to it

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 11:10

      @stateregyll Since when has the universe been explored? We have barely started. A bit soon to jump to the conclusion no other life exists

  • Plakkie - 2011-09-28 15:53

    I could not agree more on this article, read your bible about the Anakims or Ananakis, the sons of god and the sons of Anak.. And the tower of BABEL, was in fact a star gate "Gate of God". The complete truth about the creation of earth and all living beings is not in the bible, but i think if God wanted this in the bible it would have been there..

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:22

      problem is Plakkie... 90% of the people on this planet (as exemplified on this forum) wont even bother toying with your point of view. They'll just dismiss it as "tripe", and go about their daily lives comfortable being sheeple.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:58

      And why don't you read "Lord of the rings"? It speaks of a great tower in the land of Mordor, where a baleful red eye hangs - commanding armies of Orcs?

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:29

      Oh come on guys, seriously?! The tower of Babel a stargate? Come off it. I doubt that there was ever such a tower anyway. Trying to support this truly bizarre fiction by referring to a myth. Very very sharp.

  • Mic Hohowsky - 2011-09-28 15:53

    Looks like a giant tic to me *shrug*

  • teresa scott - 2011-09-28 15:54

    Ok while this seems like 90% nonsence to me you have to admit there are a surprising number of cultures that talk of visitors from the stars. Like an african village discovered about six hundred years ago that spoke of visitors from sirius. Too many stories from too widely seperated cultures to all be wrong, but the rest of it sounds like rubbish he dreamt up.

      Elton - 2011-09-28 16:01

      Exactly, they are called the Dogon Tribe and they created a astrological device that maps the orbit of the Stars Sirius A and B, naked to the human eye and only discovered in the 1970's. the Dogons are not the only tribe to report on Sirius, the Mayans, Incas, Egyptians etc all knew about this star, how did they manage to aquire astrological techniques thousands of years ago? makes one wonder!!

      toleranne - 2011-09-28 16:19

      ... you mean astronomical. Astrology is re starsigns, which are culture-specific (& definitely imaginary).

      Juzt Mythoughtz - 2011-09-28 18:04

      Their device correctly identifies the binary partner but it is all wrong about its rotational period. So in other words the Sirians can build a spaceship which defies Einstein's relativity theory to get to earth, but they can't build a device which uses the std 6 physics of Newton to describe the star's motion.

  • handbanana - 2011-09-28 15:56

    Well if you factor in all the data we have on most ancient monolithic structures only two probable theories come in to play, either previous ancient civilizations were far more advanced than we thought and possessed construction technology that could possibly rival our current technology or they were helped by "people from the sky". Which ever the case I find this topic immensely interesting, I would however prefer the later to be confirmed as the thought of ancient alien intervention is just plain AWESOME!

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 07:00

      No - not only two theories. There are some cool articles and videos on modern people replicating the feats of the ancients with regards to construction. No Need Coral Castle - just one example of humans doing something that seems impossible. One man, determination, good science and engineering skills demonstrate how to move massive stones as used in the construction of Stone Henge

  • shrubber - 2011-09-28 15:57

    I'm certainly very open-minded on this one..... extremely plausible theory (but he's certainly not the first to propose it)..... and perhaps far more plausible than some other scientific theories that are generally accepted as scientific fact......

  • anon17 - 2011-09-28 16:04

    Do these people realize that they are in fact insulting themselves? They in effect believe that humans are so utterly useless and stupid that we couldn't have achieved anything on our own; we needed aliens to teach us to build and farm and make fire. If they're right why hasn't an alien visited Julius yet and given him some "knowledge".

  • sarecen - 2011-09-28 16:14

    ALIENS definatly didnt come anywhere near southern africa at all

      birdman - 2011-09-28 16:54

      Oh yes they did! They came from Zimbabwe, Somalia, Mozambique and everywhere else North of our border!

  • lakhan7 - 2011-09-28 16:18

    Try this at home "kids", take a conductive ring ( or wrap the cord round a few times ) , connect 240V via a cord, turn it on... and presto! it will hover. also you could get shocked and die, buts its worth the risk. ...At the moment, research in space tech is been conducted. A ferromagnetic liquid is used. it goes round an metal ring, thus creating magnetic fields , ..and the craft begins to fly. ...only problem is , that they have is to reduce the heat. ( There is a hindu scirpture vimanas mentions it in detail... the technical parts , the alloys , how to make the fuel etc... ) Anyone, any Gov, can build on this open source info. ...we getting there hopefully , in 5 years time, if everyone can work together.

      Zion - 2011-10-02 10:08

      Iakhan, Lets redo your dangerous experiment. Take a piece of steel pipe +- 25mm diameter and about50 mm long.Wrap it with turns of fine insulated wire about 500 turns. Place a solid steel shaft inside and supported that only the top just peeps over the pipe's edge. Apply 12volt battery and hey presto the steel shaft will rapidly rise up the pipe and hang suspended. Miraculous, hey, we call this a solenoid and all motor vehicles have on on the starter motor.

  • NuttyZA - 2011-09-28 16:26

    Aliens are also responsible for the strange voices in my head... that is why I have to wrap it in tin foil and cling wrap... it keeps their gamma ray beams out!!!

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:23

      too late.

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-28 16:27

    Ja wel. It's all nice to be quite puzzled by technological feats of the ancients, and to speculate that perhaps ET had a hand in it; but Duncan, if you want to seem credible DON'T mention Erich von Däniken. He's a liar, a fraud, a jailbird and is not taken seriously by anybody who counts. And why the need to involve hypothetical aliens anyway? If WE do not understand how the ancients did their masonry, does this mean they could not never do it? (A bit arrogant -no?) Make no mistake, our brains have not evolved in the last 10 000 years -only our knowledge and technology. So some very advanced masonry techniques -which they could well have had, are simply lost. Simple: no aliens, and crop-circles are done by bored farmer's kids.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 07:03

      Good point. Some techniques were lost and are being rediscovered. And as you say - why the need to always invent some other fantastic inexplicable theory to explain something?

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:31

      Erich von daniken has been known to be a fraud since I was kid. How anyone still uses him as an "authority" just amazes me.

  • mn8 - 2011-09-28 16:39

    No one knew what an atom looked like but everyone believed they exist based on theory. We work in the dark to serve the light, nothing is true... everything is permitted.

      Juzt Mythoughtz - 2011-09-28 17:32

      Your tenses are all messed up. Do you mean knew or knows, exist or existed? Anyway, your point is mute. There is no such thing as an atom - the thing you call an atom is made up of three quarks, their arrangement (structure) has been determined by scientists a long time ago through the use of electron scattering.

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:32

      on precise speaking, I think you mean "moot" and not "mute". The two terms have rather different meanings.

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-28 16:40

    I don't mind aliens, but they must stay on their own planets.

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-28 16:48

    It's undeniably mighty nice of the aliens to help us with building difficult stuff in the past. But now we need jobs and saving of the world economy. So, if we ask nicely, will they help us with that too?

      kidblack - 2011-09-28 17:26

      Just wait and see. ; )

      Ching Ching - 2011-09-29 14:55

      Don't wanna wait.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-28 18:03

    With respect, too much faith is being placed in the so-called elites to keep all the alien secrets being used against the rest of humanity to themselves. Someone must by now have leaked something out.

      AntonioP - 2011-09-29 00:06

      Of course they did, but we are sworn to secrecy. And sorry, we're not going to tell you about it.

      Dylan Swanepoel - 2011-09-29 16:40

      you havent heard how they completely shut these people off to society? Labeling them nut cases and so on? Just like that lady in the movie "Paul" Crazy stuff..

  • Carl - 2011-09-28 18:09

    Golly a lot of pissed people out there~!

  • Nivek Datadin - 2011-09-28 18:09

    Totally agree!!

  • Andrew - 2011-09-28 18:24

    why is this article listed under "science" - science is not the consensus opinion of a bunch of web surfers..... Please News24 get a grip on reality here!!!

  • Arthur Stead - 2011-09-28 18:39

    Anybody who has ever experienced "Disavow" should have wondered about "Parallel Worlds", which exists, and a deeper thought should be put into that, science can explain allot, but there is more that even science can't explain??

      AntonioP - 2011-09-28 23:23

      The most thought-provoking comment I saw in a long time! (Said thought being: "WTF is this ou on about and why does the Loony Bin allow its patients to comment on public forums?") Arthur Stead, where did you get that stuff you took? And I doubt it's good for you.

  • Vince York - 2011-09-28 18:57

    Why is no eerie music attached to 'opening this article' tantalizingly pointing to our supposed ancestors?

  • Sceptic - 2011-09-28 19:55

    can someone beam me up already!

  • Jillian - 2011-09-28 21:02

    Look up Oahpse, or the Kosmon Bible. It speaks of a "mother ship" and giants assisting with the building of pyramids, (lining up with the stars) etc. Written in 1887 - long before these were buzz words.

      AntonioP - 2011-09-29 12:29

      No I won't, thanks -but thanks.

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-28 21:06

    How's this for a rule of thumb for the Sci/Tech section here - for any particular story in this section, which school teacher would you want your kids to hear this story from? If it's the science, biology, maths, computer science or geography teacher, then it's fine. But no school teacher ought to be infecting inquisitive minds with this sort of nonsensical drivel. Seriously, News24... get a grip.

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:51

      Agreed, it seems though that most people here are missing that little fact. They give you down thumbs but don't have the balls to attempt to debate the point

  • Rowen - 2011-09-28 21:46

    A Mexican documentary about Mayan civilization has proof that aliens visited earth, according to its producer. Really - documentary out next year..should be interesting ...

      Rowen - 2011-09-30 20:18

      Why do i get three thumbs down. Just mentioned a documentary. I am "unsure" if aliens ever visited this earth. we would have more evidence than what we have today. i havent ever seen a UFO or alien , except those on youtube which arent real. We might not be alone in the universe , but I dont even think aliens can travel through interdimensional worm holes...but maybe I am wrong. We wont know for sure and there has never been any "conclusive" evidence of aliens on earth except maybe roswell, but still sceptical.

  • Timothy - 2011-09-28 22:40

    nibiru wont be cold if its heated internally like other planets in out system obviously

      Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:52

      The question is then would it be able to support life?

      daaivark - 2011-09-29 07:34


  • Ateis - 2011-09-29 06:49 Coral Castle - just one example of humans doing something that seems impossible. One man, determination, good science and engineering skills demonstrate how to move massive stones as used in the construction of Stone Henge Just because you don't understand HOW something was done does not mean you have to go and invent something else more inexplicable to attempt to understand it.

  • Brent - 2011-09-29 07:43

    Aliens? What about angels or people from the future?

      AntonioP - 2011-09-29 12:46

      Yes, yes. Or what about Mutant Aliens from a Future Fourth Dimension, coming to us through a Worm-Hole? (Then they see a lot of crazy ass-holes here, and quickly return to whence they came.)

  • Hugh - 2011-09-29 07:56

    Sorry but if these people were so advanced then surely they would have has alternative ways of building. In the West it was lime or powdered marble water and sand. In Lima Peru it was lime and egg white of sea birds. In all civilisation skills are lost. This does not mean that it was not of earthly diamention. A simple example is that of stone masons or wheel makers. To find those skills today is rare.

  • onthefence - 2011-09-29 08:59

    Wayne Herschel, did you have toys and friends when growing up?

  • E - 2011-09-29 10:27

    Michael Tellinger's book "Slave species of god" is also a very interesting read in similar vein. There is more to these things than what one's comfort zone might predict. That ancient civilisations happened around certain areas of earth (Gold amongst them) is thought provoking.

  • Dave - 2011-09-29 11:10

    I find it amazing that aliens visited earth and their great gift was helping us build crude piles of rocks in different arrangements. They come billions of miles through space to become intergalactic day labourers!

  • AmusedObserv - 2011-09-29 12:10

    People always go on about how they cannot understand how these heavy stones were put into place and how the work was done so it must have been done by aliens..ever just stop to think that maybe they just did not have unions and human the work actually got questions asked? :-)