Apple overwhelmed Samsung's patent case

2012-08-27 07:32

Los Angeles - The trial began on 30 July. Apple presented top executives who testified in coherent narratives, and revealed damaging internal Samsung documents that showed the company modifying its products to be more like the iPhone.

Samsung's case was far less slick. Koh gave both sides 25 hours of trial time, but Samsung lawyers used up too much time in the beginning and couldn't cross examine some Apple witnesses toward the end. Samsung employees testified through interpreters, or in video depositions that alienated jurors.

"Instead of witnesses, they sent you lawyers," Apple attorney Harold McElhinny said during his closing argument.

And while Samsung's own patents were a major part of behind-the-scenes negotiations, at trial its lawyers struggled to present them on an equal footing with Apple's intuitively comprehensible design and feature patents.

Samsung could have opted for a separate trial on its patents, but declined. Its lawyers may have believed that placing its own allegations in front of the same jury would balance out any toxic impact from breaches of Apple patents.

It didn't work. Samsung violated six of Apple's patents, the jury said. Whether damages will be tripled is a decision for Koh in the coming weeks.

Samsung asked for up to $399m on its standards patents. It got nothing.

Samsung has vowed to keep fighting. It could get an appeals court to delay any potential sales ban, which would give it time to bring new, modified products to the market.

But barring a reversal on appeal, Apple now has a clear verdict: How it values its intellectual property is more than just a theory.

  • beylie - 2012-08-27 07:52

    This article fails to tell how Apple sold their case as "an American product vs. a foreign product". Samsung did not stand a chance against American patriotism. It also fails to mention that Apple was granted damages on some patents that the jury did not find Samsung infringing on. Actually, this whole case is crap. The only good ruling was that Apple was told "No, you cannot patent a basic shape". Imagine ... they wanted to patent rectangular shapes with rounded corners. Come on... patent law is very very sick. This might be the most expensive marketing campaign for Samsung yet, but it'll pay off. Their products are better and 1/2 the price. Apple won't be smiling for too long.

      rodney.louis.7 - 2012-08-27 09:17

      If u stealing designs , u have to suffer the consequences . Samsung violated serious patent regulations and made millions from Apple's patents and refused to admit fault.

      paul.nefdt - 2012-08-27 16:03

      @ Saffa in Asia: They say ignorance is bliss.... ... .., Any Computer expert worth his meat would tell you & every other Apple fanatic that you can get the same & more often even BETTER performance from an equivalent PC or Laptop competing with Apple at a better price!! You speaking about Software, lets look at that.. The performance of any 'good' software depends on the available hardware used to run the software, I think that's a given, so its quite clear that if one can put together a better PC for the same money of an Apple then the software should run better. Perceptions.. most people perceive the Apple Mac to be faster better & safer however, PC's have come along way & the playing field - technically - is not overwhelmingly in Apple's favor any longer.. However because of the lasting effect of the Apple brand & the re-enforcing of false perceptions by exorbitant prices, the un-informed sometimes deduce that it must be better because its more expensive. So it boils down to consumer's pockets i.e. if you got loads of cash & feel particularly proud & dont care about the fact that you're being opulent, then buy your Apple, but if you dont have loads of cash & need to think about a budget then buy the alternative to the Apple product... But dont go on social networking site and profess your loyalty to a company that makes billions whether you support them or not. They only want your MONEY!!

  • sharon.hamilton.737001 - 2012-08-27 08:04

    Apple should be sued for its infringements on UNIX, UNIX is the base for all of it's Operating Systems, Apple are cheating SOB's, they are world leaders in "patent infringements" more than any other company, throw in their odious propriety business model and voila, I will never buy a apple product.

      rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 08:25

      Ummm Sharon, ever used an iPhone? ever used an iMac? Probably not, light years ahead of their competitors. I have used Windows based computers all my life and recently bought an iMac, bye-bye Windows forever, you cannot compare them, IOS is fast (almost scary it is so fast), problem free and virus free. I have the bottom of the range iMac, it was cheaper than all its competitors, the build quality and display are again light years ahead of any of its competition. There is no way I will ever return to Windows again. I think most of the snide comments about Apple here are based on jealousy and ignorance. PS. Apple products are DESIGNED in the US but most of them are made in Taiwan, so I could guess you could say they are not purely an American company, so maybe you must hate the Taiwanese too..... ha ha!

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-08-27 08:26

      Are you stupid? UNIX is not open-source. Linux is open-source :P

      judoz.haepy - 2012-08-27 09:03

      @Saffa in keep telling yourself that Apple is problem free and virus free... If hackers really wanted to get inside an Apple, they would. Go look at Apple's security updates page Remember it just takes one vulnerability to be hacked. The fact they have to publish security updates means they are plugging holes. Do you backup your data? If Apple is problem free why do you bother? Is Apple immune to a hard drive failure? Sorry, but its annoying when people believe they have the best product based on stupid comparisons...

      rodney.louis.7 - 2012-08-27 10:06

      @enjoy ur Nokia ill stick to my Apple : )

      rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 12:10

      Judoz, what point are you trying to make? Apple don't make hard drives and of course I backup, anyone who doesn't is stupid. So saying that Apple hard drives never fail would be stupid. What I am saying is the SOFTWARE, particularly the IOS is great. You don't have to agree with me, that is your choice, but I am saying after having used both systems, IOS is fast, secure and problem free. Why are my comparisons stupid? Just because you don't agree or you don't like IOS? Have you used both systems extensively?

      rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 12:15

      And Judoz, have you looked at the build quality of Apple products? When I bought my iMac, I had a good look around and perhaps here in Asia we are more spoilt for choice than in SA, but I can tell you that just on build quality and screen performance alone, I would take the Apple. It is beautifully made, aluminuim construction, not cheap plastic and the screen is a beaut. I challenge you to show me a desk top, especially an all-in-one, that has better build and a better screen.

  • saffaseun.inoz - 2012-08-27 08:13

    Ok sharon, good for you. Stop moaning. Now bring on the iPhone5 baby!!! Haters will hate...

      dino.martin.549 - 2012-08-27 08:33

      ...and fanboys will be fanboys

  • rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 08:15

    'This might be the most expensive marketing campaign for Samsung yet, but it'll pay off. Their products are better and 1/2 the price.' No, they are NOT half the price, the Samsung has always been more pricey than the iPhone. I live in Korea and the Samsung S2 which is equivalent to the iPhone 4 costs 1 100 000 Won (about R8 100) as opposed to the iPhone cost of 840 000 Won (about R6 170), how is R8 100 half of R6 170? Many of my friends here have the Galaxy and they have endless software problems (losing contacts in phone books out of the blue, apps stop working for no reason etc etc) and the battery life on the S2 absolutely sucks. Almost without exception all my friends here in Korea (Korean and non-Korean) tell me how sorry they are that they opted for the Galaxy instead of the iPhone. They all want the new iPhone when it comes out but of course Samsung will do its best to see that all Apple products are banned here now. Time will tell, but I think your anti-American sentiment is clouding your judgement. I own both an iPhone and an Android phone (HTC, great phone) but when it comes to the OS, IOS is light years ahead of Android. I really love my HTC, just wish it ran off IOS, then it would be perfect.

      adrian.tyler - 2012-08-27 08:24

      Hi Saffa. I just walked into hifi corporation over the weekend and saw the and saw the iPhone 4S going for more than the S3 (I think the prices were R7600 and R7400 respectively, I'm not sure).

      rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 08:29

      Perhaps in SA they are more expensive, but the rest of the world they are not. SA is a tiny market for Apple and Samsung smartphones, but anyhooo, I would cough up the extra R200 for the iPhone anytime.

      adrian.tyler - 2012-08-27 09:58

      You must be on some form of drugs to take a 4S over an S3. That's taking the term 'Apple fanboy' to a whole new level.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-27 10:28

      @saffa:I have a Samsung phone and I don't have any problems. It seems that only the people you know have problems. I am definately staying away from you.

      rlong1952 - 2012-08-27 12:17 has nothing to do with me, just bad quality on the part of their phones, I have no problems with my iPhone or HTC so it is not me for sure.

      Billy - 2012-08-30 02:14

      blablabla apple sucks, overpriced crap made in the same factories as its competition. they just got an apple stuck on it, with a bite missing. even its logo promotes data loss. the biggest problem with any OS is between the keyboard and the chair. pebkac fixed too many apples to care for it, same crap different label. "we will make this thing RECTANGULAR!! oooh aaah..., but thats not all!! we will give it ROUNDED CORNERS!! BRAVO!!! GENIUS!!. it must be the best because its so expensive!! twits

  • henri.laurie.7 - 2012-08-31 06:54

    Moral of the story... don't steal !! keep your hands OUT of the cookie jar !!

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