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Bill Nye warns of threat to US science

2012-09-26 08:14

Louisville - The man known to a generation of Americans as "The Science Guy" is condemning efforts by some Christian groups to cast doubts on evolution and lawmakers who want to bring the Bible into science classrooms.

Bill Nye, a mechanical engineer and star of the popular 1990s TV show Bill Nye The Science Guy, has waded into the evolution debate with an online video that urges parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children.

Nye has spent a career teaching science to children and teens with good-natured and sometimes silly humour, but has not been known to delve into topics as divisive as evolution.

Christians who view the stories of the Old Testament as historical fact have come to be known as creationists, and many argue that the world was created by God just a few thousand years ago.

"The Earth is not 6 000 or 10 000 years old," Nye said in an interview with The Associated Press, citing scientists' estimates that it is about 4.5 billion years old.

"It's not. And if that conflicts with your beliefs, I strongly feel you should question your beliefs."

Millions of Americans do hold those beliefs, according to a June Gallup poll that found 46% of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10 000 years ago.

Combustible debate

Nye, 56, also decried efforts in recent years by lawmakers and school boards in some US states to present Bible stories as an alternative to evolution in public schools.

Tennessee passed a law earlier this year that protects teachers who let students criticise evolution and other scientific theories.

That echoes a Louisiana law passed in 2008 that allows teachers to introduce supplemental teaching materials in science classes.

"If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate," Nye said in a wide-ranging telephone interview.

The brief online video was not Nye's first foray into the combustible debate, but "it's the first time it's gotten to be such a big deal".

"I can see where one gets so caught up in this [debate] that you say something that will galvanise people in a bad way, that will make them hate you forever," he said.

"But I emphasise that I'm not questioning someone's religion - much of that is how you were brought up."

In the video he tells adults they can dismiss evolution, "but don't make your kids do it. Because we need them".

Posted by Big Think, an online knowledge forum, the clip went viral and has 4.6 million views on YouTube. It has garnered 182 000 comments from critics and supporters.

It drew the ire of the creationism group Answers in Genesis, which built a biblically based Creation Museum in Kentucky that teaches the stories of the Old Testament and has attracted headlines for its assertion that dinosaurs roamed alongside Adam and Eve.

The group produced a response video featuring two scientists who say the Bible has the true account of Earth's origins, and that "children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

Nye, who is prone to inject dry humor into scientific discussions, said Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

"What I find troubling, when you listen to these people... once in a while I get the impression that they're not kidding," Nye said.

Ken Ham, a co-founder of Answers in Genesis, said dating methods used by scientists to measure the age of the earth are contradictory and many don't point to millions or billions of years of time.

"We say the only dating method that is absolute is the Word of God," Ham said. "Time is the crucial factor for Bill Nye.

"Without the time of millions of years, you can't postulate evolution change."

America is home to the world's biggest creationist following, Ham said, and the $27m Creation Museum has averaged about 330 000 visitors a year since it opened just south of Cincinnati in 2007.

Comments
  • adrian.tyler - 2012-09-26 08:21

    I've coughed, and let the games now begin.

      preshen.govender.90 - 2012-09-26 08:31

      Julius is living prove that we came from Apes

      theo.konings.9 - 2012-09-26 10:12

      @Preshen. Another good one !!!

      fredster.mania.5 - 2012-09-26 10:17

      Does this guy think he is god?

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 10:25

      @Fredster69 no xians think they are god. No need for god in reality , only if your need a crutch. Damn the man.

  • tyranvz - 2012-09-26 08:31

    Christians and religion are retarded. Wake up, people!

      michael.holliday2 - 2012-09-26 11:23

      I would use words like naive, not retarded, and its not just Christians so before you go throwing your insults around, get your own insight into the topic instead of trolling.

  • phillip.hoffman.7146 - 2012-09-26 08:33

    If Bill believes that evolution is the only answer, why would he consider another point of view as a threat? The best teachers create, in their students, a desire to learn.

      phillip.hoffman.7146 - 2012-09-26 09:13

      Memmeman. In sport a sportsman needs opposition to get stronger. Opposition makes sure that we are certain of our facts and prevents incorrect assumptions. Peer reviews are en examination of ideas and could also be considered to be opposition. All of the athiest rants (read opposition) to Christianity have encouraged me to re-examine issues and as a result I am stronger for it. I suspect that the fear is not that it retards thinking. We are told many times on this forum how religion is dying, how can that be considered a threat. I suspect that the fear is generated by doubt that science is not infallable and the pride of scientists makes it painful for them to acknowledge that they make mistakes as well.

      pieter.pompies.31 - 2012-09-26 09:17

      Phillip, We should teach our children to think and not WHAT to think... BTW, Bill believes evolution to be the best answer according to best evidence from multiple disciplines. Totally different from believing statements made in a book written ages ago

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-26 09:48

      Phillip: The "threat" is that we end up teaching people that personal opinion and ego is more valuable than truth. We live in an age where people seem to have latched onto this idea that if an idea is popular it has merit, and that all ideas are equal. We live in an age where many people have been raised to believe they are "special snowflakes" (unique and important) and genuinely believe their opinions should be considered the equal of people who are significantly more knowledgable, qualified, experienced and schooled on a topic. These people are seldom constrained by the bounds of logic or reason, and will argue their opinion with nothing more than passion backed up by a dose of hubris. Sadly such people can often come across as rather convincing to other people who also have no qualification to make a sound judgement on the topic. This is what has happened to the evolution debate. On the one hand you have a group of people who are able to think rationally and reason logically. On the other you have a bunch of ignorant clueless hacks. Yet the latter group wants to insist on being viewed as equally legitimate? We need to teach our kids to be critical thinkers. The mere fact that creationism has any kind of following is evidence that as a race we are failing in that objective.

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 09:57

      The threat is teaching children not to question any religious belief. The threat is teaching children to ignore the scientific evidence in favour of evolution and blindly accept what the bible says. The threat is teacing that something written in a "holy" book trumps scientific evidence.

      ludlowdj - 2012-09-26 10:18

      The world cannot survive religion. we cannot allow millions of people to continue to kill each other in the name of one or other "benevolent zombie"

      pieter.pompies.31 - 2012-09-26 10:43

      @mbossenger: Totally agree. At the very most, "religious studies" could be offered as a voluntary subject at schools and should equally cover all major religions in an objective and historical way. So, should our kids, when mature enough, and after honest inquiry, decide religion is for them, they can at least make an informed choice and not the choice some of us make for them in their cradle. Science classes should be reserved for true science, i.e., a discipline which is, for one thing, self-correcting at its core.

      phillip.hoffman.7146 - 2012-09-26 12:39

      Meme, Peter, Mbossinger, Ebon. I sense that you are all full of fear. Hmmm I wonder why?

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 13:09

      Philip - please explain how you managed to determine I am afraid from my comment. Also, what exactly am I afraid of?

      ebon.geist - 2012-09-26 17:40

      @phillip: Yes I fear. I fear for the future of a world in which ignorance becomes an accepted point of view. I fear for a future in which the human race descends into a pit of stupidity and self destruction, a future in which progress is replaced with regression until every single person is reduced to the intellectual level of the lowest common denominator. I do not fear that maybe the creationists are right. I know they aren't. I also don't fear for my soul because I have faith in God and that God did not give us the gifts of intellect and free choice so that we would blindly listen to foolish notions spread by foolish men who are wearing blinkers and would like nothing more than keep their "flock" ignorant. Nor does God expect us to squander our intellectual talents. The story of Genesis is a metaphor created for simple folk who did not yet have the benefit of 5000 years of scientific progress. Does it still have value today? Yes - it has powerful lessons about a number of things, but we have as a species grown to the point where we have a better understanding of the universe than our forebears 5000 ago. Not only are we equipped with what we now need to start understanding the science behind how the universe actually works, but we are also at the point where we no longer need the bible to hold our hands on matters of science. We can figure it out for ourselves. Matters of faith and spirituality I leave happily to the bible. Matters of science I leave to science.

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-26 09:01

    Bill was a student of Carl Sagan. So much win... Religion, the same as smoking, should be limited to homes and churches. "Religion Is Like a Penis It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it. But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around. And PLEASE don't try to shove it down my kids throats!"

      fredster.mania.5 - 2012-09-26 10:15

      You are sick dude

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 10:30

      @Fredster69 that's rich coming some someone who supports the buy bull and thus supports the buy bull view on virgin rape ! Do you know what the buy bulls stance on virgin rape is ? Damn the man.

  • lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-09-26 09:20

    sight, why do people want to receed back into the dark ages? craving stupidity like a junkie craving smack.

  • DerpyHooves - 2012-09-26 09:33

    Aww man I love Bill Nye (Bill! Bill! Bill!). As for the whole "eath is only 6000 years old", come on man, as a Christian even I can see that is simply impossible. As for evolution, I believe that we evolved from Homo Erectus (possibly guided by the hand of God) and the first truly sentient Homo Sapiens were Adam and Eve. Maybe other stories like the great flood which was said to cover the earth in water, was true only to Noah (his entire universe was flooded), so maybe the flood only affected a small region, relatively speaking. I truly believe science and faith are not mutually exclusive, but in fact complement each other. It's like that that experiment with Schrodinger's cat, is there really a God out there, well, yes... And no, at the same time. Guess we'll just have to die to find out. In the mean time, I will still hold on to my faith, and believe that Jesus dies for our sins. Though technically my line of reasoning puts me closer to 'theist agnostic' reasoning.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-26 11:18

      Derpy, I could not say it better. And I think the majority of Christians share the same view, the YEC's are a very small minority. In fact, I've only come across a handful of them. In a way they are as bad as that "DamnTheMan" idiot, extremists on both ends of the scale whose rantings make them seem borderline insane.

      goldd.goldfinger - 2012-09-26 13:18

      @derpyHooves The bible doesn't say anything remotely related to evolution ie man was created then animals and then women. So I dont understand it when Christians believe in Evolution..the line of thought you are showing above is reflecting what you think is possible not what the Bible actually says..

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 16:55

      @stirrer.stirrer religious extremist kill people. Religious atheist hate intolerance but will never kill for it. But you'd rather be associated with murder's than free thinkers. Blind faith is a sin and believing like a child will only get you treated like one. Damn the man.

  • carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 09:44

    "46% of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10 000 years ago."??! I didn't realize the number was that high! It is absolutely appalling. The human race is doomed.

      fredster.mania.5 - 2012-09-26 10:17

      And it will increase as the theory of evolution will slowly start to fall apart

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 10:28

      Hell Fredster, you'd think after 150 years it would be torn to shreds but to your surprise it's still here, and the theory is getting stronger.

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 10:31

      Fred, whether you like it or not, the world is moving towards being non-religious. With or without you, it will happen. Deal with it.

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 10:31

      Religion is on the decline , people are still to scared to come out completely and feel more comfortable the way they are. Sad really , change is as good as a holiday ...

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 10:33

      Do you not find it strange that real scientists are not abandoning the theory?

  • rory.mack.54 - 2012-09-26 09:53

    Its about time creationist balanced thinking comes to the fore. It has been embarrassing to try and educate astute children to have faith in evolutionist theory around beginnings of the earth and development of species etc. where such gaping holes exist

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 10:06

      Creationist balanced thinking, now there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. You guys LOL!!!

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 10:11

      Putting aside the fact that the theory of evolution doesn't deal with the beginnings of the earth, what are these gaping holes?

      pastorandrew.treadway - 2012-09-26 10:12

      Just because gravity is not yet completely understood does not allow you to say the invisibly flying spaghetti monster is keeping everything from falling apart. You need to do science to fill in those gaps.

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 10:21

      Creationists and evolution denialists reject evolution because they imagine their salvation depends upon believing a creation myth as an alternate story to the reality of evolution for they fear God will punish them forever for unbelief. What can science offer that can compare with those memes? Christianity and Islam are the religions with the lowest acceptance of evolution, and the reason has very much to do with the threat of hell. Evolution causes them to become hostile and that hostility is focused on evolutionary biologists like Dawkins, atheists and scientists. But the real problem is that they have been indoctrinated to believe things that are not true!

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 10:35

      @rory.mack.54 "creationist balanced thinking" Awesome oxy moron you have there. So "balanced thinking" includes curses from god to kill children , talking snakes and donkey's , we pro-created through incest twice , woman are pure evil as Adam did not sin eve did and that raping a virgin means you have to marry her. Does that make sense to you , I bet it does .... Damn the man.

  • stuka.nel - 2012-09-26 10:29

    So erm...I'm a Christian and believe in evolution is that a bad thing? Surely where you are going to might be a bit, but just a little bit more important that where you are coming from? Can any fellow Christian please explain to me what the church’s official stance on dinosaurs? There is irrefutable proof that they existed and yet are not mentioned in the Bible, which to me means they were there before the Bible was written as obviously archaeology was probably not that big at the time. Does that not open a whole can of worms regarding the Christian theory of non-evolution?

      marita.dednamvanleeuwen - 2012-09-26 10:44

      www.creation.com - search "dragons" for creationist opinion.

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 10:44

      Different Christians will have different views on this. Some say the dinosaur bones were put there to test your faith. Some will say dinosaurs co-existed with Adam and Eve. Some will say dinosaurs never existed and that it's a conspiracy thought up by scientists. This is just a small example of how divided Christians are.

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 10:45

      Stuka, now you're asking the right questions. Keep on asking the hard questions and dont give up trying to find the truth.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-09-26 10:48

      Stuka, the evolution theory and the Big-bang theory destroys the first chapter of genesis. If you don't believe that part of the bible, why would you believe the rest?

      stuka.nel - 2012-09-26 11:18

      @SarcasticHeathen, I don’t know hey, I like the eternal life and heaven part that’s why I believe in the Bible...ok jokes aside. I believe in the big bang…but I also believe that my Almighty God that created the whole mother awesome universe might have said BANG and the rest is evolution, can science and faith not walk hand in hand? I’m just wondering biologically (not spiritually) speaking why do we think we are so much more superior to the rest of God’s amazing creations. If we are so amazingly heavenly, why are my knees giving at nearly 40? Don’t get me wrong I believe we are heavenly but not at a (biological level). My final point that I would like to make will probably get everybody quite up tight…The Bible says we are created in to God’s image, I’m finding it difficult that an Almighty God, the Alpha and Omega of everything and anything that have existed will have a human form, he made EVERYTHING with a word (might even have been BANG) and we say he look like us…really? I think we will never survive if we see God in his true indescribable Almighty power. But no SH, I believe in the Bible, I believe that my God sent His son Jesus Christ to die a horrible death for me so that I may live, hey even for you if you ever so wish to except that, I also believe that God gave me a rather amazing brain to question some things every so often.

      stuka.nel - 2012-09-26 11:31

      @marita.dednamvanleeuwen(jeez thats a mouth full) thank you, I did and it's very interesting reading (Job 40:15–24) & (Job 41:1–34)I never even knew this was in the Bible...wow

      marita.dednamvanleeuwen - 2012-09-26 18:20

      @stuka: thanks, praise Jesus :-) Keep on reading.

  • jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 10:41

    Religion should not be able to stop people doing what Religious Turds view as wrong or evil! This coming from a group of people who openly killed Atheists , gays and witches , used slavery to make money , openly condemns gays but not the love of money i.e. T.V. evangelistic income , tithes , running churches as businesses (even though Jesus would destroy the business) etc. 90% of xians alive today are not xian , they follow Satan and are evil , according to there own book.... Who celebrates the pagan holiday of Christmas , see you in hell... Anyone using graven images breaks the second commandment. Thanks pictures of Jesus or God and of heaven or hell. The craziest thing is lying for Jesus , Do you really think that's what Jesus wants ?

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-26 10:51

    Let scientists and forward thinking people take the wheel for a change. Religion and greed had it's chance....It was called the Dark Ages!

  • Robert - 2012-09-26 10:54

    To my knowledge creationists have lost all their court cases to stop evolution being taught in American schools since the early 20th century. Creationists are persistent however and their arrogance is only surpassed by their audacity. Once again they are accosting society with the corrupted values of a minority who wish to impose a preposterous s doctrine onto a sophisticated school system. Weakening the principles of science by in introducing creationism (big business in the USA) into the classroom is an attempt to replace scientific reasoning with a legalized religious indoctrination system. (Good for their business.) If this happens it will be a pyrrhic victory and quickly reversed to be dispelled into the rubbish bin of history because creationism or intelligent design as it is also termed falls within the parameters of hob goblins and fairies and will always fail to withstand any scientific scrutiny.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 11:06

      Absolutely. Even if Creation Science (another oxymoron) is taught in parallel with Evolutionary Science, it won't take long for the students to figure out which one is the bag of dog turds. What stops them from introducing other alternatives to scientific teachings. Alchemy next to Chemistry, Astrology to Astronomy, Magic and Physics.... you get my point?

      Robert - 2012-09-26 14:30

      MemeMan Thanks for that. One sentence in the judge’s summation has interesting connotations. “The GOAL of the IDM is NOT TO ENCOURAGE CRITICAL THOUGHT , but to foment a revolution which would supplant evolutionary theory with ID." Smell a rat here had things gone the creationist’s way? Big bucks and back to the dark ages!

  • jeniffer.powersill - 2012-09-26 10:58

    A few points to note: 1. Bill Nye is not raising my kids - I am. Whatever, I want to teach to my kids is my prerogative. 2. Teaching Evolution or Creation or whatever - kids must hear all sides and make up their own minds. 3. Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer and not a paleontologist - what the hell does he know about evolution. Which also begs the question, why aren't the paleontologists fighting this fight and why sending mechanical engineers to do their job. Cowards! :-)

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 11:05

      So only paleontologists are allowed to voice their opinions about this? See the comments above. Do you think all those people are paleontologists? I'm not, but I will still fight against the creation theory being taught to kids.

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 11:10

      1. Do because you might not like maths, woul you tell your child not to learn maths? 2. You are creating a false dichotomy - there is no competing scientific theory to evolution reggarding the origin of species. There is no scientific theory of creationism. 3. BillNye is not the only person fighting this fight, he just happens to be a recognised personality.

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 11:10

      Jeniffer - When parents impart an ancient superstitious pre-scientific worldview, that ignores what humanity through science has learned about the universe, about history, about human psychology, about medicine, and everything else, they do a grievous harm to that child. Religious instruction is dangerous and manipulative, there might be some outdated morals taught but for the most part Christianity teaches, stupidity, narrow -mindedness, intolerance and bigotry and the teaching of it to children could even be regarded as being morally akin to deliberately exposing a child to HIV.

      pieter.pompies.31 - 2012-09-26 11:33

      Jennifer Re your point no 2: Religion (and this includes Intelligent Design) should be totally separated from science. Similar to separating church and state. The latter has resulted in secular countries like Sweden, Denmark etc where people (mainly) live in a civilised manner with each other. The same cannot be said for countries where religion(s) play a mayor role in the governing thereof, - take Syria and many Middle Eastern countries as an example...

  • coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 11:08

    Who loves Kirk Cameron? Isn't that guy a GENIUS? The CROCKODUCK!

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 11:26

      And his buddy Ray Comfort - the banana man

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 11:32

      "Look! it fits perfectly in the human grip!". It also fits beautifully in your behind, but that won't prove that you're gay.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 13:51

      Wasn't there a meme that stated Kirk was too stupid to be a atheist? Is the "interesting" material he is peddling a little telling? Could someone be too stupid to be a creationist?

      gareth.ludeman - 2012-09-26 13:54

      Dont forget the peanut butter guy! "Look, no new life in this jar of peanut butter. Therefore life cannot come from non life"

  • choose.freedom.79 - 2012-09-26 11:43

    Im so sick and tired of having evolutionists shove their religion down my throat, science by its very definition is something that is TESTABLE, so, please, I beg you. Give me a scientific test that I can do to answer the following questions, and I do not want your opinion, theory or hypothesis. 1.Where did the energy come from to create the ‘big bang’? 2.Where do the laws come from that govern the universe? i.e.gravity 3.How did we get information such as D.N.A? i.e. where did the complex information come from? 4.And please explain to me, how does evolution explain centrifugal force? If you cannot give me a scientific means to give logical and rational answers to these questions evolution is nothing more than an untestable theory you have for your religion.

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 11:48

      Another dimbwit who thinks evolution is a religion. It's fact you idiot, incorporate it into your belief and move on into the 21st century. The Big Bang, now what has that got to do with evolution? You're asking all the wrong questions, man I'm so tired of you guys who fail to understand science. No wonder you guys want it dumbed down.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 11:56

      @ choosefreeDOM.79. had a good chuckle. We are not your teachers. Do a little research other than the pastor's little brochures.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 11:59

      "And please explain to me, how does evolution explain centrifugal force?" What the F have you been smoking? Severe logic fail.

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 12:08

      "how does evolution explain centrifugal force?" WHAT the fudge did I just read?

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 12:14

      choose - “There is probably no other notion in any field of science that has been as extensively tested and as thoroughly corroborated as the evolutionary origin of living organisms.” Encyclopaedia Britannica. As this quote from the Encyclopaedia Britannica explains to us no rational person doubts the Theory of Evolution because it has been examined and tested and the evidence has declared it as fact. Yet most fundamental religious people who worship the God of Abraham (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) do not accept evolution but believe in the Genesis’ creation account. Therefore evolution is only thought to be false by the very religious. No serious scientist doubts evolution and in the one hundred and fifty three years since Charles Darwin’s book “On the Origin of Species”, (published in 1859) no convincing argument. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Evolution-deniers-are-mentally-ill-20120424

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 12:15

      Surely you're joking - evolution cannot explain centrifugal force, therefore it's wrong? Not even Seansheep has tried this one.

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 12:17

      choose - Which God is the creator as there can only be one? A Muslim will believe that Allah created all things and a Jew would say that Yahweh did it. A Christian will say that Jesus Christ did it. An ancient Greek would say that Zeus did it and an ancient Egyptian would point to Ra as the creator. (1) So it would depend on which religion you belong to as your religion will lay a claim and boast about their God being the creator. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Who-is-the-Creator-Part-1-20120914

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 12:18

      choose - We need to ask conservative Christians what has gone wrong with their brains if they can not understand that the evidence we find today does not point to an intelligent creator but to the universe becoming what it is today by the process of galactic evolution, abiogenesis and biological evolution . So here's a challenge to conservative Christians: How do you know you're right? You are left with the dilemma of rationalising why a God can be an "uncaused cause" while a universe cannot, all without resorting to special pleading. Good luck. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/God-did-not-create-the-Universe-20120917

      eddy.deepfield - 2012-09-26 12:25

      choose - Christians have been given a false assurance from the religious spin doctoring and apologetic gymnastics that they mull over, which creates an illusion, a sense, a feel of having “knowledge” and this inability to discern logically, comes from following the easy road of our failed and abysmal education system, that never really challenged them to learn the mathematical underpinnings of science. It is this “feel good - false knowledge” that is very addictive especially during “hard times” and it “allows” them to say with sincerity and an almost insane certainty that: "Evolution is just a theory (layman meaning)..., and so is the big bang …, Adam and all animal life were actually “poofed” into existence by God’s spoken word, Adam was soo clever and advanced that he named all the animals, Eve was created from Adams rib as the Bible says ….." and other such nonsense. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Why-do-Creationist-Christians-think-like-they-do-20120920

      jody.beggs - 2012-09-26 12:37

      What a chop ! When you where in power Atheist and witches were routinely killed and put to the question. Now we debate , point and laugh and all you can do is complain. Should we turn the wheel around and let the witches and atheists have a go at the Religious ? Interesting how you xians preach love and tolerance while History says the opposite ! I don't believe anything xians say , just like BumWind they think lying is godly and Jesus wants you to do it ... Damn the man.

      choose.freedom.79 - 2012-09-26 12:58

      I’m so tired of educating evolutionists, but okay, baby steps. Firstly, no one can honestly claim to have been present at the beginning of creation, and seeing as how the big bang can not be recreated, the evolutionists theory of the origin of creation takes something called faith, you have no proof, only theories (even your beloved carbon dating is inaccurate after 100000 years), and you cant recreate it, sorry guys but that means creationists and evolutionists have faith and are religious. Secondly, something isn’t made true by association. Just because they sell beer at sports doesn’t mean drinking it will make me an athlete, just because you try to add evolution into science doesn’t mean its science. I can see asking four questions has overwhelmed all of you so let me ask a simple science question that I would like you to answer for me, but I get this feeling you’ll do what evolutionists do all the time, try throw big words around and use the old strawman method. But here it goes: A law is science is the second law of thermodynamic. Where did energy come from?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-09-26 12:58

      1. That question presupposes that there is something outside our universe. The answer, we cannot see outside the universe. 2. As the universe expanded, there was more space for energy to move around in. As the universe cooled down, the particles only interacted in certain ways. We saw that particles interact in those ways, so we made the 'laws of physics' to predict the future behavior of particles. 3. Mutation directed by natural selection. 4. How does wave-particle duality of light explain why duck-billed platypi(spelling?) lay eggs?

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 13:11

      Choose.Freedom, if evolution is going to be debunked, it will be debunked by a scientist, not an idiot like yourself. Listen carefully now, The Big Bang and Abiogenesis has NOTHING to do with Evolution. The simple fact that you cant even understand that simple fact shows us how woefully out of your depth you are to even begin to discuss evolution.

      choose.freedom.79 - 2012-09-26 13:14

      @SHeathen I appreciate you responses, but I have two concerns 1.If you believe there is nothing outside of our universe I have to assume you believe the universe created itself i.e. nothing created something, could you explain this to me? 2.I understand your answer in point 2, but I still need to ask, where did the original energy come from to create life? And if you say the ‘big bang’, where did the energy come from to create the ‘big bang’?

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 13:15

      The second law of thermodynamics deals with entropy - could you explain your objection please?

      ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-26 13:23

      Hahahaha!!! WTF did I just read?!

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 13:24

      You can read this as a nice introduction to the big bang theory - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html#misconceptions

      ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-26 13:25

      1. How did you herp so hard that everybody around you derped. 2. Lemon curry =42 3. Avo and cement = banana x 2

      choose.freedom.79 - 2012-09-26 13:29

      @CaptainGaza Did I actually waste ten seconds reading what you wrote, if the universe isn’t billion and billions and trillions of years old, you have no foundation to base your evolutionary argument, if I had to ask you why I don’t see one species change into another like macro-evolution states… you would probably say because it takes a long time for it to happen, it happens over millions and millions of years, I got another way to say….. once upon a time…. @mbossenger A formal definition of the second law of thermodynamics is "In any closed system, a process proceeds in a direction such that the unavailable energy (the entropy) increases." In other words, in any closed system, the amount of disorder always increases with time. Things progress naturally from order to disorder or from an available energy state to one where energy is more unavailable. Since the energy of the universe is constantly changing from a state of availability to one of less availability, the further back in time one goes, the more available the energy of the universe. The universe therefore cannot be infinitely old. One can only conclude that the universe had a beginning, and that beginning had to have been caused by someone or something operating outside of the known laws of thermodynamics.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-09-26 13:32

      1. I didn't say there is nothing outside our universe, I said we cannot see outside our universe. We are kind of stuck on the inside. 2. I am not a physicist. Some of them talk of rotating singularities inside of another universe, others talk of dimensional branes slamming into each other, while others speak of quantum-vacuum fluctuations. That part science hasn't completely figured out yet, but from milliseconds after the big-bang onwards, science has a pretty good idea what happened.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-09-26 13:40

      Foundation for age of universe=speed of light. 13.7 billion years=finite amount of time.

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 13:45

      @ChooseFreedom79. "1.If you believe there is nothing outside of our universe I have to assume you believe the universe created itself i.e. nothing created something, could you explain this to me?" By "outside" is it meant as "not part of/not able to interact/unverifiable...etc.etc."?. Since anything "outside" of our universe (Hubble volume) is impossible to detect and is therefor discarded as a verifiable influence on our universe. It doesn't stop there. M-space, string theory, multiverses, black hole/white hole hypotheses' are all there to try and understand how it all came to be. Nobody worth their salt can give you the real answer. Using "GODDIDIT" doesn't answer anything other than religion's small frame of reference and is terribly unsatisfying in sating our natural need to know. Also, because science doesn't hold the answers doesn't mean that creationism is right either. "2.I understand your answer in point 2, but I still need to ask, where did the original energy come from to create life? And if you say the ‘big bang’, where did the energy come from to create the ‘big bang’?" See my first reply. Science is looking for the answers. Whether it will find ALL the answers, is open to debate and a small eternity in time. Look up "physics", "abiogenesis", "biogenesis", "the sun", "cosmology". There is a multitude of theories. Look and you shall find. Unless you are tired...

      zane.zeiler - 2012-09-26 13:57

      LOL! Nee jissis freeDOM, I can eat a can of alphabet soup and cr@p out better arguments than you... You clearly have absolutely no clue, FYI a theory needs EVIDENCE tried and tested before it can be called a THEORY, otherwise it is called a HYPOTHESIS i.e. exactly what your "young earth" bovine excrement is called, whereas evolution is called (say it with me) a T-H-E-O-R-Y, in fact, evolution is based on so much evidence that any scientist worth his/hers salt knows (not believes) it as a FACT. Read a f#$k!ng book.

      choose.freedom.79 - 2012-09-26 13:59

      @MemeMan Thank you for attempting to answer me with cliché evolutionist responses, if anything I’m getting a little bored now and feel too tired to educate you, but I will be honest, your responses did give me a good laugh, no4 especially….. even thou we have clockwise and anti-clockwise galaxies, stars and moons. Anyway, Guys I had great fun chatting to you, but I got to go. You are free to believe what ever you want, just please stop trying to shove your religion down my throat. Thanks

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 14:06

      You have managed to show the universe has a finite age, which nobody is disputing, as far as I am aware. You then make the logical leap from finite universe to a creator required, which I don't understand. In short, I don't understand you objection based on the 2nd law. As long as the overall entropy of the closed system (the universe) increases, there is no issue with the 2nd law being violated. Any you still haven't explained the link between evolution and centrifugal force...

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 14:08

      But Choose.Freedom, we do know the universe is billions of years old, Our planet is around 4.5 billion years old, so yes, evolution has had plenty of time to develop. These claims are not mine as you seem to thinkthey are, they are facts agreed upon by scientists, lots of them. What I'd like to know is where you get your information from??? Who's force feeding you this creationism turd you seem to be absorbing?

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 14:11

      "Thank you for attempting to answer me with cliché evolutionist responses, if anything I’m getting a little bored now and feel too tired to educate you, but I will be honest, your responses did give me a good laugh, no4 especially….. even thou we have clockwise and anti-clockwise galaxies, stars and moons. Anyway," LOL! leaving to recharge his trolling-laser?

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 14:44

      Shame man, the dude\t is an idiot, plain and simple.

      gareth.ludeman - 2012-09-26 14:48

      Seriously, I am convinced its all two or three guys creating multiple profiles with some kind of bet going, like who can get the most responses or thumbs down. It has to be deliberate stupidity, no one is this stupid. Are they?

      Robert - 2012-09-26 15:01

      Read Stephen Hawking’s and Leonard Mlodinow’s book “Grand Design’. Some of your questions may be answered.

      Robert - 2012-09-26 15:11

      Read Stephen Hawking’s and Leonard Mlodinow’s book “Grand Design’. Some of your questions may be answered. BTW Evolution cannot be categorized a religion. It is simply a theory that is seeking the truth.

  • Michael - 2012-09-26 11:45

    Step away from the bible! It is a dangerous weapon, step away.

  • LanfearM - 2012-09-26 13:21

    Way to go Bill Nye! If the christians want intelligent design to be taught in science class, well fine then. But I insist that Hinduism and New-Age Paganism also be taught then, since the ID that supposedly exist can just as well be one of theirs!

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-09-26 13:47

      Not as long as the Creationists are convinced that their "science" is the only other viable option

  • Apatheist - 2012-09-26 14:52

    Bill Nye, what a champion. It's painful for me to even see Ken Ham's name on the same page.

  • bman.johnson - 2012-09-26 14:59

    There is only one God!! There is no denying Him. I'm talking ofcourse of his Holiness... The Flying Spaghetti Monster. May he bless you all.

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 15:09

      All hail his noodly appendage.

      bman.johnson - 2012-09-26 15:23

      Pastafarians unite!!

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 15:25

      Ramen

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-09-26 15:36

      Let us read from chapter 14 verse 5 of the "Ancient Recipe": "And he sayith unto the bacon prophet, who so-ever shall deny my noodle appendage, shall be cast into the ever-boiling stew, where he shall cook in his own sins for all of eternity." Ramen.

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 15:48

      Such beautiful verse.

      bman.johnson - 2012-09-26 15:49

      \It is easier for lasagna to pass through the holes of a colander than it is for a rich person to enter Paradise.\ - Ishmali Camuwundra

  • libby.dawson.589 - 2012-09-26 15:27

    Bill Nye's twitter account has been removed. So much for freedom of speech.

  • chilli.stephenson1 - 2012-09-26 15:39

    "If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate," What a joke. Innovate. Scientists can still learn about God and believe in God and Creation. Bill Nyer. He has no right to say such nonsense. Because there are many scientists out there who believe in God and not in evolution. Evolution is a lie! Science and God can work together. But scientists of today are not real scientists. They change the evidence to suit there agendas. It's pathetic really! Just because they say God doesnt exist does not make it so! God does exist! And everyone will see Him face to Face. The grown men shall weep in His presence and beg for forgiveness for there arrogance and pride! It's a shame! Atheists and Evolution... what a crock...

      CaptainGaza - 2012-09-26 15:44

      Retard ALERT!!! Dude, remove your friggen god goggles, cause with them on you can't see sh*t. Why are you lying chilli, most scientists dont believe in god. I'm so tired of dealing with idiots like yourself. Get an education, a real one, not a bible study one FFS!!!

      carmen.erlebach - 2012-09-26 15:49

      "He has no right to say such nonsense." Says who? Last time I checked we were all entitled to freedom of speech. Suck it up.

      chilli.stephenson1 - 2012-09-26 15:54

      You are the one lying boet. Shame on you! You atheists are hilarious with all your lies and statistics and BS! There is a massive revival in this world. Jesus is changing lives and minds all over the planet! I am constantly praying for all of you atheists! You are not God man, so stop trying to convince yourself! Please boet, because it's starting to get pathetic now!

      bman.johnson - 2012-09-26 16:25

      I am quite fond of all my lies and statistics. 63% of bears wouldn't support a monarchy. Aaaah, just lied about a statistic, but you know us atheists.

      mbossenger - 2012-09-26 16:41

      How do you explain scientists who are believers yet accept the theory of evolution?

      bman.johnson - 2012-09-26 16:57

      @mbossenger - Maby poor ventilation in laboratories?

      Desilusionada - 2012-09-26 17:26

      I have very far and in between ever posted re these type of subjects. But today..... Mr Chilli, You are indicating that only scientists who believe in God and reject evolution are real scientist. So pray tell what fields do they study that differ from the unreal ones? And the evidence that they change, which are these now? And what is the agenda? Repeating that God exists does not make him any more real or not. You do not understand any of the branches of any of the sciences, yet you are an expert on the comments of others who make their daily bread from science? 1000 years ago anyone who saw a television of today would probably have broken it open to see the little men inside or labelled it magic/witchcraft. Now sit back and do some open eyed reading. Not about science, but about the bible and what it says about tolerance, grace and maybe the life of Jesus. He was crucified because of his radical believes of that time. That today we accept as the norm. Now, draw the parallels.........

  • oscar.pretorius.52 - 2012-09-26 18:17

    Bill Nye is a sensible man...more people should listen to him

  • dmarinheiro - 2012-09-29 13:44

    A Russian scientist once pronounced: Either there is a God, or there isn't. If there is a God, we should find out what He wants and give it to him. If there is no God, we have a significantly greater problem given that we're sitting on a rock, hurtling around the sun at 26000 miles per hour, and nobody is driving...

  • ckrums - 2014-02-07 14:37

    "Not going to continue to inovate" Tell that to Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur (vaccination, microbial fermentation and pasteurization), Robert Boyle (Boyle's law, etc), Wright brothers (flight, airplane, etc), Samuel Morse (invented telegraph and Morse Code), Johannes Kepler (laws of planetary motion), Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon (formed the scientific method of inquiry), Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes (father of modern philosophy), Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday (electricity, magnetism, etc), Gregor Mendel (Genetics), William Thomson Kelvin (foundations of modern physics; fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes and James Clerk Maxwell also Christians; Britannica refers to Maxwell as having greatest impact on Physics in 19th century ranking along side Newton and Einstein in terms of importance of contribution), Max Planck (Quantum theory), Albert Einstein, etc, etc... These men were the fathers of modern science, the shoulders of which scientists of today stand; and interestingly many of them opposed evolutionary thinking and believed in Creation by a super-natural God. Many of their scientific discoveries were helped by their belief in Creation and therefore order in the universe. In light of this it seems that evolutionary thinking actually hinders the advancement of science and discovery. Mr Nye is incorrect.

  • ckrums - 2014-02-07 14:39

    "Not going to continue to inovate" Tell that to Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur (vaccination, microbial fermentation and pasteurization), Robert Boyle (Boyle's law, etc), Wright brothers (flight, airplane, etc), Samuel Morse (invented telegraph and Morse Code), Johannes Kepler (laws of planetary motion), Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon (formed the scientific method of inquiry), Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes (father of modern philosophy), Blaise Pascal, Michael Faraday (electricity, magnetism, etc), Gregor Mendel (Genetics), William Thomson Kelvin (foundations of modern physics; fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes and James Clerk Maxwell also Christians; Britannica refers to Maxwell as having greatest impact on Physics in 19th century ranking along side Newton and Einstein in terms of importance of contribution), Max Planck (Quantum theory), Albert Einstein, etc, etc... These men were the fathers of modern science, the shoulders of which scientists of today stand; and interestingly many of them opposed evolutionary thinking and believed in Creation by a super-natural God. Many of their scientific discoveries were helped by their belief in Creation and therefore order in the universe. In light of this it seems that evolutionary thinking actually hinders the advancement of science and discovery. Mr Nye is incorrect.

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