Cosatu: Rich nations must pay

2011-11-19 21:24

Johannesburg - Developed nations have to pay for damage to the environment as part of a just transition to low carbon economies, Cosatu said on Saturday.

"While we accept that developing countries, including South Africa, have to play their part in reducing emissions, developed countries must carry a larger part of the burden," Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement.

He said "just transition" meant changes that did not disadvantage the working class worldwide and developing countries, and where the industrialised countries paid for the damage their development had done to the earth’s atmosphere.

Developed countries who had less than 20% of the world's population and had emitted almost three quarters of all historic greenhouse gas emissions must pay for their climate debt.

Craven said one of the constraints on South Africa and other developing countries was a deficit of technology and skills to both reduce emissions and to adapt to a new climate changed reality.

"We must make sure that technology and skills transfers are effected without being fettered by the obligation to pay for intellectual property rights," he said.

"A just transition addresses both the unemployment crisis and the ecological crisis. The evidence suggests that the transition to a low-carbon economy will potentially create more jobs than it will lose."

The union said that it recognised that the fundamental cause of the climate crisis was the "expansionist logic of the capitalist system," which created massive waste.

It would therefore reject any form of capital accumulation "even if those forms of capitalist accumulation are green", said Craven.

  • Frikkie - 2011-11-19 21:48

    Onnoselheid kry net eenvoudig nie einde nie. Eers die ANC, en nou hierdie klomp breindood kluite

  • akaRags - 2011-11-19 21:48

    Cosatu have got a point there.........

      Sheik - 2011-11-19 22:12

      ................and looking at another free handout, the African way!

  • GAMMAT - 2011-11-19 21:55

    Poor nations must stop feeding the rich nation's lust for timber. Poor nations must stop the MOST devastating practice of cutting down the worlds forests, nature's filters of carbon.

      Vusi - 2011-11-19 22:13

      Gammat it is because of Cosatu that we are still burning wood to cook in this country. If they would keep their noses out of our economy, we might be able to teach the people to work and not strike. I left you a FB message.

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-19 23:04

      Haha, yes Vusi, it's true. Sad but true.

      DerpyHooves - 2011-11-20 12:39

      As someone with a timber farm (we export to Japan and the US) I've got to ask, why must I stop production of a renewable resource and be denied my only source of economic income?

  • Cracker - 2011-11-19 22:02

    Very few must still be interested in what Cosatu has to say about anything.

  • guyt1 - 2011-11-19 22:03

    I dont see how Cosatu needs to make it their problem ... leave these decisions up to the big people

      Vusi - 2011-11-19 22:15

      Guyt1. They think they govern us. We are actually run by a union in this country.

  • Vusi - 2011-11-19 22:08

    "The union said that it recognised that the fundamental cause of the climate crisis was the "expansionist logic of the capitalist system," which created massive waste" Tell that to your Alliance partner, the ANC. This guy should rather keep his mouth shut. The pollution in this country has NOTHING to with capitalism, but everything to do with a country that can't decide if they are capitalists, socialists or communists, like him. 17 years after we became The New Russia, the people are still in shacks and who does he want to blame for that? When you are in a shack you burn expensive paraffin to cook and and and.....all that comes with living in a shack. If the people voted to be communists and getting free houses, then give them what you promised them, or get out and allow the SACP to take over and mess it up even further!!! The actual ANC Government are undeniably Capitalists and the ANC voters would love to be communists! BAN the SACP and Cosatu. They are destroying the economy of this country with all the rubbish they spew. Create a Union that will teach the people to work and provide for themselves and not sinking further and further into a deep black hole of despair! Communism is for lazy people without ambition. The Sheep and I am not referring to the woolly ones in the Karoo!

  • colin.dovey - 2011-11-19 22:09

    Well OK, for starters...which "rich" nations are we talking about? Portugal+Italy+Ireland+Greece+Spain = Nearly bankrupt Germany+UK+France = funding the bankrupt nations as above Now let us talk about China......already stealing R18 000 000 of our Rhino hor (at least that is part we KNOW about. What about Vietnam - also using up our environment....

      Vusi - 2011-11-19 22:48

      Xavier, just shows you what he actually knows about the world economy. Everybody lives with this misconception that the "world" out there is rich. Closer to the truth would be is the New Rich World is China....LOL LOL...........the very model they want to use here on us! They are laughable this bunch of retards from the SACP!

  • AquaticApe - 2011-11-19 22:24

    That's rich coming from Commie Craven. The defunct Soviet Union and China were/are amongst the worst polluters whilst ensuring their people were/are peasants. SA is amongst the top producers of CO2 thanks to state entities Sasol and Eishkom. People in glass houses - or should that be greenhouses - shouldn't throw stones or even lumps of coal!

      Vusi - 2011-11-19 22:29

      Brilliantly said! Brilliant!

      Mike - 2011-11-20 16:39

      @AquaticApe, just for the record Sasol is not, and never was a state entity.

      AquaticApe - 2011-11-20 21:28

      Thanks, @Mike - you're right. Still an awful polluter though.

  • Bob - 2011-11-19 23:21

    "We must make sure that technology and skills transfers are effected without being fettered by the obligation to pay for intellectual property rights," Huh! Why should productive forward thinking innovative and creative people from other parts of the world, give away their hard earned effort, brain power and tons of development expenses for nothing, to a lazy unproductive good for nothing bunch that want it all for free! South Africa was at the forefront of many pioneering technologies and a world leader on a fair number. The brakes were slammed on these abilities the day the ANC came to power! Per capita we burn much more fossil fuels than the countries in the west that have developed the said technologies they want for free here. We kiss the feet of China as our biggest trading partner, we give them minerals, steel and coal for peanuts, yet they are one of the biggest perpetrators of CO2 emissions…Ask them for their intellectual property right free technology, and I bet you will get a healthy Chinese middle finger shown this way! Africa is a sad sad sad place, with some very backward thinking people in power!

  • Kei Heyns - 2011-11-20 05:43

    Instead of being too critical or speculative of our much favoured union powerhouse, it must be said that the focus is on the environment and that of developing countries in this article. The real issue is with first world states that have foregone their industrial era and possess greener technologies, but at a price to the environment in the past. International environmental law nowadays hinders growth of developing countries by restricting use of the cheaper dirtier energy. So yes, if it means a healthier cleaner world for all and a progressive and much needed development in Africa, i believe those countries with the green tech should assist. After all, when the planet goes the money will mean as much as a Zim dollar.

  • Niekie - 2011-11-20 06:15

    Cosatu should rather go to China and see how the people there work! That is why they are growing and creating more and more jobs every day! They are not a bunch of lazy people who want everything for free and strike every second day!

  • Kevin - 2011-11-20 07:12

    Cosatu is a union and a union has a job to screw as much out of the system for members and then gets a monthly commission for it's trouble.Like an insurance policy without any risks. Really a nice lot of fella,s to do business with . hey ,where's my wallet?

      Kevin - 2011-11-20 07:13

      In fact in Italy the union is known as the Mafia

  • Roberto - 2011-11-20 09:16

    Empty drums make the most noise

  • braamc - 2011-11-20 09:24

    Yes we are black African, listed no 12 in the world of worse countries contributing to this problem. Eish, we don't have to pay. Why is this no surprise to me. Good for nothing. Instead of, we all must take responsibility and change, make change happen. It is blame blame blame, we want we want.

  • bruce.mills1 - 2011-11-20 10:32

    Here's a twist in the tail - each country that has detonated Atomic bombs has to pay a surcharge on their carbon tax for stuffing up the atmosphere! The poorer countries that failed to beneficiate minerals and metals themselves but stripped their land bare and failed to rehabilitate it, should pay a carbon penalty. Countries that deliberately stripped away forested areas and sold the wood to foreign lands, should pay a penalty for carbon absorption depletion. In short - no one is off the hook. We have all contributed to the generation of carbon dioxide as our populations have swelled dramatically. Patrick Craven is a devout Communist. He is paid to peddle policies and ideologies that have failed wherever implemented. However noble they may seem or sound, none of them will ever overcome the greed of mankind to exploit for personal benefit. Yes, the world is in trouble, but those that even think they will be penalised to accept their foul responsibility, will veto any efforts in that regard mainly because they are bankrupt( USA, UK, Europe, Russia) or perceive it will lead to bankruptcy! ( China, Asian countries and the Middle East). NOTE: Africa does not really feature as it is basically a basket case already!). Communism doesn't work. Capitalism doesn't work. What's left? Biblical economics? ooh but that's going to piss off too many people but it is the one type of economic system that NEVER fails!!!

  • johnkk - 2011-11-20 14:02

    If our government were serious about carbon pollution, they would put money into R&D for electrical cars (which do exist). We could transform our already existing car producing plants, so that unemployment is not created. We could outlaw petrol & diesel driven vehicles, and force the average citizen to only be allowed to drive E Cars. The E Cars would reduce speed limits and in doing so, prevent more serious accidents and criminal get away cars. It will be advisable to allow special permits for petrol & diesel driven vehicles. We as individuals could have our petrol money diverted into taxes to improve productivity etc. The bottom line is we would save the enviroment, we would save individuals money, and we would once again be the talking point of the world, and most probably increase our tourism. This could be forced through parliament like the "SECRECY BILL". But are we serious, I DO NOT THINK SO!!!

      Mike - 2011-11-20 16:42

      @johnkk, how would the energy to charge these E cars be produced?

      Horst - 2011-11-21 08:13

      if you have to recharge that e-car from the plug you have achieved nothing. Solar charging is the way to go. But than, of course, the government would put a tax on photons.

      Mouldy - 2011-11-21 11:52

      johnkk, if you don't know anything about a subject, rather not comment on it.

  • Mike - 2011-11-20 18:56

    . uhhh.....No. Whites have been suckered into this white-guilt trip waaaaay too much. You Africans can spend your own money re-building your own infrastructure correcting your own over-population, crime and societal dysfunction. FREEDOM means ya gotta work on your own problems by yourself. Good luck on getting help from us Whites. You need us but we don't need you. That's what frightens so many minorities so much. .

  • Braam - 2011-11-21 07:28

    all CASATU and the rest of the BLACK's want is MONEY u will sell ur Ma for MONEY

  • sefeddt - 2011-11-21 11:00

    How about handing back all the Lotto money you got to host a COSATU party when there are far more deserving causes , that will give your rant a bit more credibility.

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