Many in SA not hopeful in Hope Index

2012-08-13 12:30

Cape Town - A survey shows that South Africa could lose a generation to emigration 10 years into the future.

A Hope Index mobile survey of over 18 000 South Africans across demographic groups suggested that many young people do not have faith in the future of the country.

"On balance, respondents were optimistic about their future, with 54% feeling that South Africa would be a better place for them to live in ten years from now, while 46% felt it would be worse," said Pondering Panda, the company that commissioned the survey.

The Hope Index is conducted at regular intervals and results show that there is not much change in attitudes, with black South Africans the most optimistic, at whites least optimistic about their future.

"There were strong demographic differences in attitude. While 61% of young black respondents were optimistic, all other race groups were pessimistic on balance.  Only 27% of Asians, 34% of whites, and 44% of coloureds were optimistic about their future," said Pondering Panda.


Unemployment is a major concern for blacks, while other race groups are most concerned about crime, the Index found.

There were also differences in terms of age and gender. Younger people are more optimistic than the older generation, while 60% of men are more positive about their future in SA than women.

"There were also differences according to the age of respondents, with pessimism increasing with age. Teenagers under 18 years old were most optimistic, with 58% of those aged 15 to 17 believing that the future was positive.

"In contrast, only 46% of those aged 25 to 34 were positive," the company said.

Butch Rice of Pondering Panda said that while the results gave insight into the minds of young people, the trends were worrying for the long term prospects of the country.

"Even more concerning is that only young black South Africans are optimistic on balance. All other race groups are pessimistic. This would indicate that we face the possibility of many of our youth planning a future elsewhere, as they do not have faith in our country's future. This could have alarming implications for emigration rates in the future, as well as a potential brain drain," he said.

Statistics compiles by Statistics SA in 2003 showed that the UK was the leading destination for South Africans leaving the country, with 111 884 in 2003, followed by Australia with 52 997.

The statistics also showed a net loss of 9 529 economically active individuals.

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  • JohanCduToit - 2012-08-13 12:59

    Many people are just pessimistic by nature. I would like to see how these numbers compare to those of other countries. I don't expect SA to be any worse.

      reveng21 - 2012-08-13 13:21

      I was in the UK not too long ago and people over there seem to be quite depressed... Guessing the only happy people are those 'one percenters' with too much money to spend...

      james.rossouw - 2012-08-13 13:27

      Expat Wallenberg just paid $361 Million in Taxes to his safe Swiss Village, Lusk and Botha etc etc etc are making big contributions to US economy.

      preshen.govender.90 - 2012-08-14 08:19

      "I bless the rains down in Africa "

  • Havokreeka - 2012-08-13 13:00

    Of course the whites are losing faith. Our government persecutes us.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-08-13 13:05

    Well ofcourse the blacks will be the most optimistic because they are assured of jobs. With SA run by a bunch of barbarics there is not a hope in hell for survival just like the rest of Africa!

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-13 13:06

    well let us see why, a woman has been shot dead on her farm in the north west... And she is just gonna be another statistic cos our gov can't tackle the problem, a serious problem of many actually!

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-08-13 13:17

    Yup. RofSA is not a place to raise children in nowadays.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 13:21

    So the favourite destinatiom will be Zim and Malawi?

      talita.vandermerwe - 2012-08-13 13:50

      Let us see how funny you are when something happens to your family.

  • glenda.mackay.18 - 2012-08-13 13:23

    My son has just left this week for Bangkok, both his friends are black, they do not want to come back to SA, have no confidence in the Goverment or how the country is being run! They feel there is no future here for them. I am to old to leave and I am sad as I am proudly AFRICAN. Believe me the other two moms are just as sad as I am. When I look at our so called leaders I recent them for what they are doing to my beloved country and being alone without my family!!!!

  • Rob Allen - 2012-08-13 13:33

    Quality education is the key for all South Africans, this is why the ANC must be weakened in next election. They are failing horribly!

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-13 15:05

      Agree 100% percent, Must add though that the brakes need to be aplied to our population explosion in SA. Having xxx kids, and no means to feed or educate them, dooms them to a life of poverty and misery. As it is, we don't have the economy or potential to feed, educate or provide for our citizens, and with the exponential growth rate of the population, the problem is only going to get MUCH WORSE. A 1-3% Economy growth rate doesn't begin to solve the problems of a 30% population explosion.

      Lacrimose - 2012-08-13 15:10

      What is to become of the 42% of youth (18-30) that have emerged from the education system uneducated? Where is their hope or possible future?

  • Philip Smith - 2012-08-13 13:36


  • PHUZZY187 - 2012-08-13 13:50

    Well Im a 33 year old coloured professional and I am currently thinking od leaving this country with people like Malema in the run for the future of think country i think i will bounce soon to ensure i have a better future

  • travis.vermaak - 2012-08-13 13:53

    Are you surprised? The ANC are useless scum, backing it's racist comrades, practising nepotism, supporting criminals, changing the constitution at it's convenience, and driving corruption in South Africa.

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-13 14:03

    with age comes wisdom, the youth are optimistic because they dont know whats is going on or what the ANC is capable of, but there is one thing that you can predict...that the future is never predictable, my heart tells me to be optimistic, logic says the opposite, only time will tell

  • reveng21 - 2012-08-13 14:04

    The ANCYL gets its way by destroying towns and cities. We can get away by simply doing nothing. Imagine everyone standing together and sitting out a Monday, take a long weekend, spend it with the family or friends. You will then have the power to change the world but sadly in reality people only really stand together after disaster has already struck.

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-08-13 14:14

    We all have choices - this is the country alive with possibilities. Its all about choice

      Lacrimose - 2012-08-13 15:11

      I'd like a President who chooses real problems over museums

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-13 16:18

      this is the country alive with possibilities. Its all about choice YES! YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! The possibility of getting away with crime, rape, murder, fraud, nepotism, cadre deployment, breaking, burning, looting..... And the choice is yours which one you will specialize in.

  • danie.kritzinger.18 - 2012-08-13 14:38

    Another dubious 'survey' quoting 2003 statistics...More relevant - the 2011 Australian census figures were released and indicated that only circa 143 000 South-Africans are residing in OZ. A fairly insignificant number seeing this reflects the toatal migration to date...The UK constitutes by far the most immigrants, with SA numbers AGAIN insignificant oppose to those from other countries.My wife and I have been residing in the UK for more than 10 years and are returning to SA in the near future, as most of our friends have done and are in the process of doing. Please ignore these 'research articles' aimed at creating sensasionalism and again fodder for all the nagative South-Africans amongst us...There are MORE than enough South-Africans believing in SA and we will make it work - no matter what. For all the pessimists - work on changing your perspective and do realise the amazing potential of our country and people.

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-13 15:08

      I would just like to point out that in a country of 50000000 where only 1250000 people pay 82% of all income tax (and that is ignoring the huge percentage of government employees included in that) 143000 South Africans is equal to 11% of our productive tax base (and that is ignoring the fact that many of these people ran small businesses which employed others) If we were to lose another 11% of our tax base right now today it could very well be the final burden that the rest of us who remain can simply no longer carry. So speaking about these numbers of people and calling them insignificant is rather short sighted.

      mike.boylen - 2012-08-13 22:36

      We had a business in SA. Apart from the Government and the municipality bleeding us dry, we also had our home broken into 5 times in one year. We had so many layers of security we lived in a prison. When a mother and daughter were raped and murdered just a few houses away from us we decided it was time to pack up and leave. We lost a lot of money in the process, but our lives are worth far more.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-08-13 14:40

    If these youngsters have lost hope in SA I guess the youth in the PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece

  • bakers.dozen.14 - 2012-08-13 15:00

    The worst is having lost the patriotic feeling for the country as a white person with nowhere to go. It's most depressing to watch a once productive country go to the dogs. Hate your government hate your tax system hate the labour laws. Hate the lack of education . Hate the disorganisation. The theft of public monies the list just goes on and on forever. Live in hope of change . No ways not in 10years. That’s the problem. A survey like this will never get to those who need a sharp kick in the behind to wake them up to the brain drain and the inevitable collapse of the country. Fat cats with blinkers. Live like a locust. When it’s all eaten up move on and rape the next field.

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-08-13 15:06

    It would be really interesting to get a handle on how many young and positive people are not able to leave the country because they have second rate qualifications. Sure, not all SA qualifications are second rate but I wonder how many would want to leave if they could.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-13 15:10

      True - it is mainly the Privately Educated Individuals that have a proper education in SA. Looking at the 'average' SA 'Govt' matriculant - the skills and ability to learn and think are meaningless, through no faults of their own. A proper education systm is KEY to growth in SA.

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-13 15:35

    Its way too obvious... and it makes me sad to see this... but its true... I left this country because I hated everything that was happening to it... But im back, im 26 years old, and to be honest... I love this Country, and all the people, black, white, asian, idian etc... The fact of being a South African makes us very unique... very... even the mindset were in... I understand why the ANCYL would freak out about deliverables... I do... and I blame the government... Julius Malema has the right concept, only if he would allow White people to fight with him... To make this country and this world Ungovernable would bee the actual answer to this solution.... We as humans were never made to live with a government structure from the beginning... we've turned the ways of humanity... from living with Nature, to living with a Machine...

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-08-13 18:55

      You want to fight alongside Julius Malema?? Please!! If you left the country because you hated what was happening to it, then you are outright LYING if you say upon returning, you now love it all!! Living with no Government structure? Have you ever read Lord of the Flies. Maybe you should, Piggy, before that rock lands on your head...

      stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-08-14 07:04

      hahahaha!!... dude, your example number 1 of this... look at your actions straight going to blame blame blame.. yes, id fight alongside julius if HES MINDSET was fighting for the right thing, everything is about that dude... Look back into history man... if the world would learn how to love more than to hate, that would change everything... So yes... if it means that me fighting with Julius Malema would mean that everyone is fighting for human freedom... hahaha... If you can change your attitude from blame blame blame to lets ALL work together, then maybe we will make a difference.. but first go deal with yourself man.. you got some anger..

  • fiona.s.ferris - 2012-08-13 16:20

    Surveys still employing terms such as "blacks", "whites"..."race groups"... Mr Duncan's world is very organised ne...

      danie.malan - 2012-11-21 14:34

      It is the government's legislation that keeps races on the books. Treat everyone equal and we don't need to distinguish between race groups.

      stacey.m.solomon - 2013-02-07 14:46

      It's small minded people like you Fiona who get caught up in the semantics - and the reply that preceded mine says it well - it's not us who is keeping the divide alive, it's the very laws this country is run on that are.

  • anwar.rassool - 2012-08-13 17:09

    SA is heading downhill fast

      stacey.m.solomon - 2013-02-07 14:47

      It's arrived. Now we're just digging deeper.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-08-13 17:32

    There is no hope for young people in this country, after they finish university most of them immigrate especially the whites because the chances of them getting jobs are almost zilch. Although their parents are broken hearted when they leave our shores they realizse it is for the best. Other races if they have a chance they also move on. I dont know when South Africa will realize they are losing out, they seem quite happy to have a bunch of old cadres who are not educated enough to do their job continue until they fall in their graves.

  • dave.ducker.3 - 2012-08-13 18:45

    Do you honestly blame them ???

  • emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-08-13 18:52

    surveys are fun

      mantsho.tlali - 2012-08-13 19:51


  • walter.lebza - 2012-08-13 23:24

    It is not just the youth of SA who are fed up. Early this year the youth in the UK were protesting, throwing stones for what?. Because their country is always wet, trees look grey, it's cold, the ordinary houses are very small. No. Greece is getting bankrupt everyday. In the US depression is a common sickness, they even want to stop selling guns to the public. there's no paradise anywhere on earth.

  • Zahir - 2012-08-14 08:10

    The anc has created a failed state the only people that cannot see it is the anc voters that believe in there leaders lies and deceit

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