New dinosaur evidence emerges

2010-05-27 10:37

Paris - A surprise find of three skull bones in western Hungary has prompted palaeontologists to rethink the story of horned dinosaurs, a clan that includes triceratops, the mighty prong-headed dinosaur that is a favourite children's toy.

The fossils provide the first evidence that so-called coronosaurian dinosaurs, previously only ever found in Asia and North America, also lived in Europe, according to a paper released on Wednesday by the British science journal Nature.

The newly-identified species, dubbed Ajkaceratops after a nearby town, was small.

It grew to only about a metre in length, making it a dwarf member of the ceratopsian family, said the authors, led by Attila Oesi of the Hungarian Natural History Museum.

It lived in the Late Cretaceous, which ran from around 100 million years ago to 65 million years ago, when all dinosaurs suddenly were wiped out, possibly by a space rock that collided with Earth.

The big question is how the four-footed beast, or its forebears, got to Europe.

At the time, Europe was nothing more than an archipelago, separated from other continents by the mighty Tethys ocean.

The answer, suggests Oesi: the ceratopsians "island-hopped" from Asia, crossing over on a chain of close islands.

  • Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 11:02

    I am laughing at what scientist come up with to prove stuff. The earth is not millions of years old. The prove is in the Bible. The age old thing of creation vs evolution and the evolutionsit still trying to force down make up facts down our throats. please stop publishing such rubish articles

  • ZION PAY - 2010-05-27 11:05

    The article is of interest but seems rather vague as to dinosaurs having horns or not. However, a highlight is the terminology: "A space rock that collided with Earth". We usually refer to this cosmological object as a meteorite.

  • Sean - 2010-05-27 11:16

    How does Oesi know these islands that facilitated the island hopping theory ever existed? Before this find Oesi would emphatically state as near fact that ceratopsians were never in Europe because of the state and position of Europe at the time. Now the story has to change to fit the broader story of evolution. The biggest evolution is the evolution theory itself! What also fits the facts is that ceratopsians lived not millions of years ago but possibly only thousands of years ago, co-existing with people on earth, but because this goes agaisnt the evolution presupposition on the age of the earth, a presupposition on which carbon dating is also based, this theory is automatically trashed.

  • LOL - 2010-05-27 11:26

    Hey Cripp1erEffect, careful you dont fall off the edge of the planet (i presume you know that the earth is flat??)

  • @Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 11:41

    I'm laughing at you and what you come with to prove that your little holy book is a work of science. Stop trying to force a made up god down our throats

  • EL OH EL - 2010-05-27 11:53

    Proof in the bible huh? Bible is a fairy tale.. Who wrote the bible? Did God come down and give it to someone, no, and science will always out prove the bible.. Not to mention the PHYSICAL proof.. Does religion have physical proof? No, thats what I thought...

  • P - 2010-05-27 12:02

    Cripp1ereffect your comment is actually quite funny... Just because you believe in the bible does not make anything true... You are indicating that evolutionists are using made up facts, however, asides from whats written in the bible where are your accurate facts?... David and Goliath, Adam And Eve... can you produce hard evidence of these events? I am neither a evolutionist nor a creationist, i believe in a balance between the two, but just because you don't agree in evolutionism does not make you right.

  • @Sean - 2010-05-27 12:02

    Oh, Sean, Sean, Sean... Did you have to prove your ignorance by mentioning carbon dating? Try Uranium-Lead dating.

  • Charles - 2010-05-27 12:04

    Any chance that these islandhoppers are related to grasshoppers?

  • @Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 12:15

    Earths age is around 4.5 billion years old.
    Please dont use the bible as a refernce point.

  • Fox@ Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 12:20

    Yeah right. Of course. And the proof is just there in the dusty old book called the Bible - a book with 194 noted contradictions in the New Testament alone. "'Cause the Bible tells us so" does not constitute proof in my book.

  • @Sean - 2010-05-27 12:23

    Nice one ,Sean ,please let all these people know what the FACTS are and not what we are told by our "history".Many of "OUR" science facts are incorrect ,BUT we are not being told what the REAL truths are.NEVER believe everything you are told OR taught.

  • David - 2010-05-27 12:28

    @Cripp1erEffect-please man ,NOT the bible -FACTS please.

  • Mat - 2010-05-27 12:35

    isnt it amazing how bible pushers just cant seem to understand that science is very rarely wrong, the debate between science and religion will last long after we are all gone but the fact remains that they teach science in schools and not religion! Science is fact and religion is fiction, when will people realise it?

  • Joe @Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 12:42

    If you were correct, and you're not, we would have to dismiss everything we know about nuclear physics, and every scientific explanation would have to come with this clause: we can explain this phenomenon by observed behaviour, unless for some unknown reason, or possible because chose to mislead us, the cause and effect rules governing it changes suddenly. I'm not argueing here against the concept of faith and the belief in God, I'm merely pointing out that you are an idiot. You should get on very well with Sean.

    Furthermore, if everything in the Bible had to be read literally, a few people are overdue for a stoning and you'd have the right to sell your daughter into slavery. Should I provide the references or do you know what the Bible says on those points?

  • trueblueandreal - 2010-05-27 13:31

    i've said it before and i'll keep on saying it: Every new fossil find further muddies the waters of evolutionary theory. Although this article is not about evolutionary theory per se, no doubt these people are trying to make the facts fit the theory once again. These new finds are great tho'. Increasing our knowledge through science is all good.

  • T.S - 2010-05-27 13:34

    just pay that the bible is truelly not real because if it is, of which it is the too bad for you on judgement

  • Francois - 2010-05-27 13:41

    "A surprise find...", how refreshing after the recent rash of planned discoveries.

  • CreationistNR1 - 2010-05-27 15:16

    I agree with Cripp1erEffect. The Bible is not fictional at all. Everything that we have discovered in science was first noted in the Bible. Everything!

    If you want to know where to look for scientific solutions to modern problems, just read the Bible.

  • CreationistNR1 - 2010-05-27 15:54

    @AllYouNon-believers: Yes, I stand by that.

    Bible = Ultimate Science

    The Earth is no more than a couple of thousand years old and all that exist was planned. No question about that.

  • Science Supporter - 2010-05-27 16:22

    Sciene (the process of formulating a hypothesis backed by experiment and peer reviewed research) is what created chemo-therapy as a cure for cancer. This same scientific process is employed in carbon dating and refuting all the irrational statements emanating from the bible. However, you must ask yourself, if you had cancer: would you choose prayer over chemo-therapy? Well, based on scientifically recorded results, I'd go with chemo.

  • willimpie@Cripp1erEffect - 2010-05-27 16:23

    At least the evolutionists have got bones to show! Please show me the ark....

  • GBES - 2010-05-27 16:58

    These fascinating fossils shows us how fragile life is.Enjoy it while you can.Work hard,Play fair and Die happy.NB:The Bible is the authorised scriptures of the Catholic Church.They dumped the other scriptures which did not fit.Its their Holy papers.The Hindus have theirs and so the muslims.None of them agree with one another.These papers are for the religious,and should not scare non-believers.

  • @ Cripp1erEffect + CreationistNR1 - 2010-05-27 17:31

    Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

  • leroy - 2010-05-27 18:30

    how many times must i say this... evolution is not a theory, the theory is why evolution happens! Darwin says it happens due to natural selection(survival of the fittest)and this is the theory, so if you dont believe in evolution then your not looking at the facts. everything adapts.... even under our very noses we see it happen today!

    After a long period what would one call such mutation? evolution?

    So stop bunking that scientist are trying to fit this to the story, all they are trying to do is figure out how it could have happened.... and this is what we call intelligence! The need to want to know more.

    So if you have anything else to add please do so but dont bring up silly old books that are 2000 years old and talk about whales that spit out people!

  • Ponderer - 2010-05-27 20:05

    I find it strange that 99% of posters take a side and seem to have failed to ever look into the other side of the story. And you cannot ask for "Fact's" in evolution, that's why it's call the evolutionary theory not the evolution fact coz no one took pictures back then, so all scientists can do is guess, but many times it can be biased-science. Some so called creationists also take things too literal like the world created in 7 literal days, that's impossible, yet even many scientists agree with the order of how things came about. Also not every scientist agrees with the evolutionary theory.
    BTW - My facts by reference "Cognitive Therapy and Research, Volume 1, Number 2 / June, 1977", Discover, “The Tortoise or the Hare?” by James Gorman, October 1980, p. 88,Britain’s New Scientist magazine & some other references that you can Google. There is proven micro-evolution yet many holes in how everything came about like creating life from non-living matter. In the lab, it's never been done.
    So maybe my 2c here will make some here look a little deeper in your own beliefs & Theories as well as others before you attack. I think only the insecure need to attack, the informed have opinions.

  • KickerK - 2010-05-28 09:45

    Evolution is not a theory, it's fact and has been proven, with evidence existing even today. If you look at this one example, of which there are many, and still deny evolution exist, pray for yourself.

  • curious since birth - 2010-05-28 12:19

    Religion was put in place to control people, and over the age some men have come very powerful using religion as their scapecoat. Religion has it's plus points, but it has brain washed the masses so nobody questions anymore, we are just animals that has evolved to what we are today, dinosaurs were actually much more succesful in surviving over the millenia, we've only been around for a couple thousand years like blink of the eye compared the age of the earth. just think about it the world is changing and are facing destruction,the rich will survive the poor will die, basically survival of the fittest. the next war will most probable be over the basic resource water, and who will have power over that, nations that dominate now. just my view point, i'm up for a debate.

  • CreationistNR1 - 2010-05-28 15:04

    @KickerK Your link does not explain anything. It's just more theories, with no proof.

    Evolution has not been proven. Because some species seem to be between phases, you assume that they are changing with time... I believe they were made that way, for reasons we are not suppose to understand yet.

    Also, it's not at all imposable for the earth to have been created in 7 days and I would without a doubt pray before I receive chemotherapy. What is the first thing people turn to when they realize that they're sick? Religion.

    You don't understand, and that makes you afraid and therefore you NEED answers... I will pray for you and someday you too will understand.

  • WHAT NONSENCE - 2010-05-28 15:50

    Evolution is a THEORY. The Bible is FACT!

  • KicerK - 2010-05-28 16:03

    @CreationistNR1 - I guess physical changes to adapt to the environment is not classified as evolution, ok then. Please don't pray for me, I don't need any more spells casted upon me. You are the one afraid, that's why you've created an imaginary authoritive figure to watch over you. You are too afraid to get up off your knees, open your praying hands and do something. good luck to you my friend. Peace!

  • Poderer - 2010-05-28 22:05

    I had a bit to say about evolution, but just a few words bout creation. If you believe in a literal 7 day creation because you believe in the bible then you haven't actually read it, just believed it. Gen 1:1-2 states the earth already existed before the 1st day in verse 5. Gen 2:4 says all creation was as a day. If a true creation day was based on a 24 hour earth day based on seeing the sun, then the creation day would have only started on day 4 (Gen 4:14-19). I'm not trying to give a bible lecture, just re-stating my previous posting. Search for knowledge before you decide what's going on (Prov 15:14). At least know what negatives and positives there are to a side and be open minded enough to consider evidence & understand why you believe something.

    Sorry if I go on but I enjoy it if I can get even 1 person just to think a bit further than what they just believe.

  • ZION PAY - 2010-05-30 13:47

    When I read all these comments then I realize that dinosaurs are in our minds horned or otherwise.

  • Daemon@WHAT NONSENCE - 2010-05-31 08:52

    What an idiot.
    The only fact about the bible is that its a thick black book filled with bronze age fables

  • Willem@ CreationistNR1 - 2010-05-31 08:55

    "You don't understand, and that makes you afraid and therefore you NEED answers..."

    No, you are afraid, that is why you believe in your jewish magician.

    "What is the first thing people turn to when they realize that they're sick? Religion. "

    No, they turn to doctors. I rest my case.

  • Be real - 2010-10-01 10:08

    @ Cripp1erEffect. what facts are there in the bible? what can be proven? anything???? I choose not to believe in something blindly……

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  • @Evolution Guys - 2010-10-01 11:02

    So what is the human race going to evolve even more? How? Or are we fully evolved? I will like eyes at the back of my head and an extra arm.Is it possible?

  • Be real - 2010-10-01 14:02

    @Evolution Guys... Eyes at the back of your head??? LMFAO…… do u even know what evolution is? Google it……

  • The Horned God - 2010-10-01 15:21

    The Bible:
    Because all the works and evidence of science cannot equal the wisdom of Cattle-sacrificing primitives who believed that every animal species on Earth lived within walking distance of Noah's house.

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