Zuma calls for green economy

2011-12-03 12:33

Durban - The business sector should expect an impact on their operations as the country moves towards a green economy, President Jacob Zuma said on Saturday in Durban.

"In promoting this new green, sustainable and inclusive growth focus, we are putting together some policy proposals that will impact on the business sector," he said, addressing the world climate business summit on green business generation.

He said the measures would include a putting a price on carbon and other pollution, or taxing the over-exploitation of scarce resources.

Business should also expect natural resource charges or tradable permit systems.

Zuma said the threat of climate change was an opportunity for meaningful economic transformation.

"We have committed ourselves to our people as a government to work towards an inclusive, green, and sustainable growth."

The focus should be on empowering the poor, women and previously disadvantaged members of society.

"For as long as people lack adequate education and healthcare, infrastructure, access to land, capital, finance and market institutions, they simply cannot take advantage of growth, green or not," Zuma said.

Development in the renewable energy, marine aquaculture, wildlife management, waste services and ecosystem rehabilitation sectors could help to bridge the economic gaps still inherent in South African society.

  • Nigel - 2011-12-03 13:04

    think of this process when you recycle glass: grab a glass, drink something out of it, smash the glass then go dig up some coal up, burn it and when it's hot enough, melt the glass and make the bottle again... start using returnable glass.... recycling glass uses tempratures of up to 1400 degrees celcius to re-melt glass...this is primarily done through burning coal!!!! That is a massive contribtion towards increasing the Carbon Footprint!!!

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:22

      Fair enough, but what does it cost to make glass from scratch (in carbon terms) What are the affects of the alternative - plastic. Basically, if you think recycling glass is a bad idea, please advise of a better alternative for us all chriswhite.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-12-03 14:55

      Plastic isn't actually all that bad. Amazingly, because of our laws on waste being so bad, we recycle up to 35% of all plastic produced - we allow people here to scavenge dumps which is not allowed in other places and this also brings in revenue for them. Plastic is 99% recyclable these days, with only a certain type not. South African companies, 2 that I know of, have recently bought machines to allow plastic to be safely reused into food packaging, something that was not possible before due to contaminants. All plastic has a symbol on it and a number: a triangle and a number 1 - 9 I think. you can look these up and it will tell you what type of plastic it is and what is safe to be reused for drinking water for example. Plastic is not all bad but it is of course made from fossil fuel initially.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 15:07

      Thanks goyougoodthing, interesting. Its pointless just being negative without offering a better option. Has anybody measured which is better though - glass or plastic? Plastic pollution is chronic, especially in the ocean - there are floating islands of it. I also hate the look of our countries "Soweto Daisies" everywhere. I'd prefer glass to be reused than recycled - like the "old days", deposits on glass bottles. That is surely a better option than recycling anything? Glass is also better for you, its does not release harmful chemicals into what we drink. Problem is the industries mislead us as they punt propaganda to promote their interests, so we get a lot of bull instead of the truth.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-12-03 15:31

      Chum I could not say which is better. I know glass takes a lot of energy to melt etc and don't you need soda ash to add to the mix, whatever that is? Plastic I imagine - the recycled stuff - used less energy to 'melt' but then there are no doubt chemical/other processes to clean it etc. I imagine glass that is repurposed would be the best idea: Bring in your old glass jars and get your whatever from a large vat. Shampoo to pickled onions. But that would destroy brands and with it a large percentage of industry, which we don't need but we won't get rid of. But thanks, I am going to ask a friend, who works for one of the plastic companies, about the energy elements used to recycle plastic. He told me the information above, which is not spin it's actually true.

      ludlowdj - 2011-12-05 14:31

      most of our glass products are already using end of line glass. ie glass that cannot be recycled any further. however a concerted glass recycling or re using initiative is preferable to the use of plastic which has been proven to be not only one of the highest pollution mediums, but which has also been proven to harbor bacteria quicker and for longer than glass. The north Atlantic garbage pile, which is currently said to be the size of Texas has polluted the ocean to such a degree that no one can claim that fresh sea caught fish are not contaminated. As usual The US is once again named as the greatest polluter on the face of the planet with close on 80% of the garbage pile being attributed to American origin.

  • Clive - 2011-12-03 13:05

    Broad-based green economic empowerment? Makes a change.

      Hunter - 2011-12-03 14:08

      Yes, but dark green gets preference.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:25

      Quite a hint of Red as well. A "Green" fan myself, I hate the way Green has become the new Red, how it has been hijacked by the Reds. Maybe that is why progress is so slow to achieving Green goals, it is hijacked by those who try to use it to further devious agendas!

      Vandross - 2012-06-06 07:30

      Somebody tell this guy to keep his pants closed because a large number of children he keeps producing are consuming a lot of tax. It doesn't make sense to keep f..king around and then come back and talk about a green economy whenever you feel like it

  • MarkH - 2011-12-03 13:23

    It's not about empowering the poor, women and the previously disadvantaged my man, it's about sustaining the planet which is partly in such dire straights because the poor, women and the previously disadvantaged are having too many unsustainable children. Hope this helps make the distinction possible, in your mind at least, about what you're actually doing there. It's not a political rally - your speech writer and chauffeur got their directions wrong. Look around you and tell me if you can see any comrades...... thought not, they're too busy either feigning illness to avoid jail or using the info bill to prevent themselves going to jail.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-03 13:56

      Well said Mark. This is what happens when you allow yourself to become a puppet of an evil force. You don't have a clue what you are doing, why you are doing and most of all how to govern a country. He is like one of those rolling bushes next to the roadside in the Free State. Wherever the winds takes him, there he goes. I don't think this country has ever seen such a weakling in the Presidency. But Shaik had to get him in, at all costs, so they could continue stealing. This is a disgusting democracy and an insult to everyone in this country.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:29

      Also in dire straights due to the massive consumption of the wealthy. The massive greed of humanity. Can't blame the poor for that.

  • mystae - 2011-12-03 13:26

    He's not saying "don't pollute and don't over-exploit scarece resources". He's also not saying "we're going to do what we can to protect the environment". What he is saying is that they've come up with a couple of novel ideas to tax people some more. But I understand it's a tough position to be in... eradicating poverty whilst doing your bit for the environment. I just hope they take into account that additional taxes may, in the end, cause more poverty. But they're the government, with access to some of the sharpest minds in the country, if not the world - surely they'll come up with a system beneficial for all (and the environment).

      mystae - 2011-12-03 13:27


      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-03 14:01

      @ mystae. You say they have access to some of the sharpest minds in the country? Do you mean criminally sharp or intelligent people that can guide and show them how a country should be run? I honestly fail to see if anyone with sharp mind is anywhere close to them but criminal brains stealing us blind.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:30

      Trouble is the "sharp" minds of this government are totally focussed on self enrichment.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-12-03 14:57

      Correction mystae: our government is certainly not blessed with sharp minds other than criminal minds great at theft.

      mystae - 2011-12-03 15:20

      I was being sarcastic. If they actually used some of the sharpest minds in the country things would have been a lot different...

      goyougoodthing - 2011-12-03 15:33

      oops and I wasn't being so sharp myself *watches as the irony flies over his head

  • Boeretroos - 2011-12-03 13:30

    The only green in your economy zoemie - is the greenbucks you crave. The USA and Canada will not be suckered into this farce. Take note western world. Its a rip-off. Zoemie and Suzuki - hahahaha - poppycock !

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-03 14:06

      Let me just add a small correction to your statement Boeretroos: He has always been provided for by the Shaik Mafia. They paid for all the wives and the dozens of kids' school fees. Fact. The Shaiks are interested in the Green Bucks they are making while he is the president. You really don't think that this was the ANC's best candidate did you? His much publicised sex life should have given you an indication of where his brains are sitting!

      Boeretroos - 2011-12-06 14:16

      Ibhubesi - Seems You are a true Zulu and I hope your tribe splits away from this anc who is no good for everyone.

  • Ian - 2011-12-03 13:42

    A green economy he says, well what about your noisy fuel guzzling polluting taxis, what about your brudders who are incapable of throwing there garbage into a bin, lets start small before moving onto big business.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-03 14:15

      Ian they should have sent someone with a bit of finesse to the COP. He is an embarrassment to all of us black South Africans, let alone the whole of South Africa. He is a disgrace to us Zulus. He has shamed my proud tribe forever! I hang my head in shame to think that an entire country is paying the price for his extravagant lifestyle that was once funded by the Shaiks and now they are making Billions, stashed away in accounts abroad at our expense.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:33

      And all the guzz guzzling luxury vehicles the "rulers" drive around in. A bit of a lack of sincerity in this lot I'd say.

  • Missionman - 2011-12-03 13:49

    Goverment should heed the green concept and lead by example. They could start by getting rid of their luxuary big cars and set the example by driving smaller cars with lowwer emmisions. Fly commercial airlines with other people and not huge private jets. Jets are one of the biggest problems in terms of pollutuion and emmisions. Goverment buildings and wastefull operations of these should also be curbed. Pratice what you preach before medelling in business.

  • Philip - 2011-12-03 13:55

    He calls for a green economy, or should I say his speech writer does. He can't even get the corrupt government to fix the broken infastructure. What on "earth" does he know about a green economy?

  • Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-03 14:20

    I support Zuma on the Green drive. However, "For as long as people lack adequate education and healthcare, infrastructure, access to land,". This statement is more relevant to the ANC than the buniness sector. It is where the ANC has failed, and I don't see the relevance to "Green economy". A rather confused statement by JZ - just an opportunity for political rhetoric I'd say. The lack of all the above are due to the poor performance of the current regime.

      Vuyo - 2011-12-03 15:39

      Yes, Chum that part of the speech he inserted himself after it was delivered to him.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-12-03 14:48

    Mr Zuma you can start literally at home: 1. Educate the masses to stop dumping their litter everywhere 2. ALong with the sham that is a car licence renewal introduce vehicle testing like they do in other countries. I can get a licence for a car that is NEVER checked, what is the point? 3. Better and safer public transport for all citizens. The minibus taxis work because there is no decent alternative offered by local councils and government. Those that were in place were sold off and no longer run 4. Tax trucks much more and focus on fixing our rail network, passenger and freight. Will reduce wear on the roads, will reduce carbon footprints and will reduce the spread of disease from truck stop to truck stop 5. Set a good example and stop with the blue lights, heavy convoys and high speed. They are all unneccesary to the conduct of government. The Queen herself catche commercial flights! 6. Alternative energy is a proper option these days, look into it. An electric car even uses coal there is no way around it right now. 7. Offer users the right to sell back to the grid and encourage solar and wind in private dwellings.

      Ernst - 2011-12-03 19:35

      goyougoodnothing: I just want to mention something about point 6. When oil is refined into petrol or diesel, electricity, primarily derived from coal, is also used in this process. An electric car uses no liquid feuls, so essentially an electric car will mitigate the emissions caused in the refining process. So even if the electricity used to charge your batteries comes from coal, EV's are still much cleaner than petrol or diesel cars.

      Soetdoring - 2011-12-04 02:00

      @ Ernst. You say an electric car is much cleaner. Are they really? I read that the Japanese have an electric car. The selling price is highly subsidised (which will not happen in SA), but the real surprise comes after 2 years when the batteries have to be replaced and a new set can cost you a cool $30000 US Dollars. And what happens to the old batteries? They claim they are recycled, but what does that mean? The electrolyte can not be recycled and has to be discarded - where to? Recharging depends on the line voltage and it takes about 7 hours with 220 volts (110 volts even longer). Kilometers available are rather limited which limit electric cars only to urban usage. And what if there is a power outage on the national grid? - remember this is South Africa and not a more developed country with a smart grid. Nope the electric car is not an option.

      Ernst - 2011-12-04 11:10

      @Soetdoring: " The selling price is highly subsidised (which will not happen in SA), but the real surprise comes after 2 years when the batteries have to be replaced and a new set can cost you a cool $30000 US Dollars" Any new technology is initially expensive. How do you drive down the cost? By selling as many cars as possible. You do this by driving down the cost with subsidies, until volume of scale is achieved. As for battery life issues and cost, please see:

  • Shirley - 2011-12-03 15:03

    Does this guy ever listen to what he is saying???? If the government clamped down on the corruption,stopped the big gas gusler cars the ministers were driving,taught people to keep the townships clean and stop poluting the rivers and dams,stamped out poaching of rhino and abalone by imposing 10-15 year minimum sentences,enforced quoters on fishing trawlers and let the members of parliament lead by example by driving green,flying at a minimum etc-maybe we could take this seriously. Clean up your side first Mr prez!

  • Ernst - 2011-12-03 17:03

    The idea that we are going to pay more tax in a green economy is not true. If people dont want to be taxed on carbon then invest in clean energy i.e. solart, Hybrid or electric cars, etc.

      Soetdoring - 2011-12-04 02:12

      Yes, solar heating works well in sunny SA. ROI is about 3 years and I have a unit on my house. Hybrid and electric cars are just a pipe dream.

      Ernst - 2011-12-04 11:11

      Hybrid cars pipedream?

      Soetdoring - 2011-12-04 18:50

      Here you go

      Ernst - 2011-12-05 10:58

      As for the link you provided earlier (c3headlines): I havent found any citations to peer-reviewed research, published in prestigious scientific journals, to back up any claims made by the website. If I missed any then answer the following question: 1) Do the citations provided, point to research done by the 3% of scientists that think manmade global warming is not true. (the other 97% say man is responsible). And what is the impact factor of these journals? How many citations do these author's have? What is the prstige of the journals? 2) Seeing that you are such a conspiracy theory fanatic, where do these guys get their funding? One can virtually make any claims on the internet and provide fancy graphs to back it up (c3headlines). If these claims have not been scrutinized (peer-reviewed) by experts in the field, then it is not worth the paper it is written on.

  • Glenda - 2011-12-03 23:56

    Zuma go away! All talk and no do! What you say and what you do are two very different things. 'The focus should be on empowering the poor, women and previously disadvantaged members of society.' No you would rather steal from them.

  • Louis - 2011-12-04 11:33

    He can start with getting rid of all government gas guzzelers and use public transport. Also the long convoy of blue light twats used for each useless anc clow

  • ludlowdj - 2011-12-05 14:24

    the only green Zooma see's is the money he will be able to make selling overpriced and outdated technology to people who should know better. the only way green can work is if every household becomes self sufficient in its energy production and is able to get off the grid...... here though it is also important to realize that government has written clauses into the water act already to ensure that even if you become self sufficient you will still have to pay them a fees I'm sure they have already done the same with the electricity laws.

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