SA has lost 4.4m people to Aids - survey

2012-01-23 22:35

Johannesburg - There would be more than 4.4 million more people in South Africa if it were not for the Aids pandemic, according to a survey released on Monday.

"Currently, there are 50.6m people in the country. In the absence of Aids, this would have been 55m," said the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR).

"The data shows that 31% of all deaths in 2011 were Aids-related. By 2015, this proportion will have risen to 33%. In 2025, there will be 121% more Aids deaths than there were in 2000," it said.

SAIRR said and estimated six million people would be living with HIV/Aids in 2015, double the number recorded in 2000.

Researcher Thuthukani Ndebele said HIV/Aids had resulted in a significantly slower population growth rate.

"Not only does HIV/Aids reduce life expectancy and increase mortality, but it is largely responsible for wider social ills such as orphanhood and child-headed households," he said.

The survey is based on data sourced from the Actuarial Society of South Africa and the Institute for Futures Research.

According to the data the HIV prevalence rate is higher among young African adults, resulting in fewer people in this group reaching old age.

  • Jamiu Peleowo - 2012-01-23 22:43

    I hope Mbeki and his cronies are reading this? That is their legacy!

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-23 22:53

      But its apartheid's fault , haven't you been listening. Damn the man.

      Francois - 2012-01-23 22:57

      Researcher Thuthukani Ndebele has it wrong and maybe you too. The 5.5 million people are here, they are just not born in SA, but in Zim and other places, thus it is not Aids that is the only Mbeki legacy, also the Zim legacy and shall we forget the absolute big anti aids campaign we could have had it we did not buy arms. Actually you are correct - Aids is the epitomy of their legacy - lets ask the ICC to open a docket for genocide against Hypocrite Mbeki.

      Marius Koen - 2012-01-23 22:59

      Agree with you on this. Mbeki and the late African potato queen are to be blamed. Its now a case of survival of the fittest.

      Spyker - 2012-01-23 23:04

      If not, then our bona fide unemployment rate, would have been near 50% and not around 40%...

      Donovan - 2012-01-24 00:13

      The SAIRR has proven itself spectacularly inept when it comes to simple arithmetic. I don't believe this story for an instant.

      Anthony - 2012-01-24 04:52

      This site is unlawful!!! It is a breeding ground for RACISM and HATRED !!!!

      Max - 2012-01-24 05:16

      The people that blame Mbeki, Zuma, Manto or anyone ells for this tragedy are hypocrites because they are the same people that wants the Government to stop blaming apartheid and the whites for everything that is wrong in this country. Blame is blame, everyone is responsible for their own well being through decisions they take here and now.

      Dirk - 2012-01-24 05:41

      And lets not forget, around one million unborn babies slaughtered in their mothers wombs in abortion mills, just since the late 90s.Ad to that, around one-and-a-half million emigrants, mostly high skilled and replaced by millions of unskilled, resource draining illegals, and you have a social challenge of apocaclyptic proportions.

      cowbwouy - 2012-01-24 06:47

      Always blaming the next guy and not blaming ourselves; TYPICAL

      ruimteseerower - 2012-01-24 08:11

      anthony if you cant stand the truth or just plain ,every one is intiteld to a opinion ,freedom of speech ,live with it it is the "the new south africa"happy reading,stunning site

      Mike - 2012-01-24 08:48

      Hitler orchestration the death of 6 million Jews in the holocaust ending in 1945. Mbeki and his cronies, through their denialist thinking, will ultimately be responsible for a similar number of deaths on our country. Let this rest on their consciences.

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 09:11

      Haha, the solution is to just have a shower after sex, will "wash" away the aids. Lol

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 09:16

      @Anthony oh please, you want it to be about racism and hatred, we're all adults here, if you don't like what is written here, just don't come back to read it!!!

  • Nirvan - 2012-01-23 22:53

    So the conspiracy theorists who say that HIV was created as a bio-weapon for population control may just have a point...

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 09:19

      Weel, we do have a population problem... Needs to be sorted out somehow :)

  • gcj.wood - 2012-01-23 23:08

    Whoooah hang on there a minute, does this mean 4.4m people listened to presidential advice and "had a shower after" ?

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 09:32

      hahaha, epic, I commented on someones post about that before I got down here :)

  • Mabs - 2012-01-24 00:16

    I believe its far more than the quoted figures. They olny count the CONFIRMED AIDs deaths. Many die from AIDs and they do not write AIDs as the cause, they write something like "pneumonia."

      George - 2012-01-24 04:59

      Mabs, you dont die from AIDS. Please educate yourself.

      Anthony - 2012-01-24 05:23


      Peter - 2012-01-24 06:18

      I don't believe so, there are still plenty of people, I certainly don't notice a dent in our population. If anything I'd say there are more people now than before. George, you're being pedantic, Aids is the cause of what kills you in the end - so whats the difference? You died as a result of complications arising from being HIV+, you die from a heart attack from chemotherapy when you had cancer - I mean really. The death certificate should say died of cancer, not heart attack. Get my point?

  • Terco - 2012-01-24 01:01

    .......Mbeki lost lots of voters for the ANC.........

  • Andries - 2012-01-24 03:17

    This estimate seems to be somewhat on the low side. I’d like to know the time period we are talking about when referring to the 4.4 mil people who have been ‘lost’. According to a few other sites ( and books I have studied the figure is closer to 5 600 000 dead between 1997 and 2008 alone. Even this quite extraordinary figure might be a little conservative since the virulent stigma associated with AIDS means that very many AIDS deaths are never reported as such. We are probably looking at around 6 000 000 to 6 500 000 during this period. Anyway, this is of one of the reasons I always laugh when people say the rest of the world won’t let S.A. become another Zimbabwe. If over 6 Million people have died and basically no-one cares, or even knows about it I think it amply illustrates the worlds attitude to S.A. and Africa as a whole. And why blame them? This is a African problem that was and is being acerbated by African governments. And good luck to them.

  • Garysyd705 - 2012-01-24 04:45


  • Kantoro Sten Mlauzi - 2012-01-24 05:10

    ppl condoms r free, u find dem almost every were even on de street u cn find 1 on a tar road,,luk after urself mense dnt wait 4 it 2 hit sum1 close 2 u b 4 u realize dat it is der

      Lana - 2012-01-24 05:28

      Good comment, but please do not use quick text, not all of us use our texting services that often to read it effortlessly - thus most comments written in quick text get skipped!

      John - 2012-01-24 07:49

      Next time you post a comment please do it in a language we can all understand and not code.

  • Ian - 2012-01-24 05:27

    and fatkid says make babies

  • Jan - 2012-01-24 05:33

    Ahh yes, mother nature hard at work again. Her wheels turn slowly, but they DO turn.

  • Eidel - 2012-01-24 05:48

    What we are aware of...What about those that was not made available.

  • Munchk1n - 2012-01-24 06:07

    Gods way of keeping the population down, we are an over populated society. Stop having so many babies, and more can be afforded to those fewer children. Breed like flies and be diseased like one. I do feel for those who got Aids by being raped, or by accidental means, but for the majority of the others it is their lifestyle that has given them the disease, they must live with it.

      Andries - 2012-01-25 00:14

      I'd prefer it if god went back to his fire and brimstone act. Much more impressive than messign about with fiddly old viruses.

  • Larry - 2012-01-24 06:49

    Mbeki and Manto have a lot to answer for.

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 09:48

      Why? Did they tell the people to have unprotected sex? Granted they should get with the program and advertise how bad HIV is and ways to protect yourself against it, but they did not say to anyone to go out there and have unprotected sex! We are responsible for our own wellbeing, we make our own choices, if you can read or listen to the radio or watch TV you will know about HIV and how to be protected from it.

  • Eduard - 2012-01-24 06:51

    So sad that people die because of greedy pharmaceutical companies & doctors not willing to apply common sense (in the professional area) and find a cure, not treatment. If SA can find a cure for HIV/ AIDS, then our destiny would be a lot more positive than it is now. We need a campaign do get this message across and beat the others to the punch

      Sinabo Mnqonywa - 2012-01-24 07:02

      I take offence to your comment 1. 2 It is not our job as medics to come up with cures. Its the job of scientists. Our job is to give what ever drug we feel is appropriate and that according to me requires a little bit more than just common sense. In that regard I assure you we are beyond the general common sense threshold. We are at the "medical" common sense threshold which is far beyond what you are suggesting

      Silver - 2012-01-24 07:44

      Are you insane Eduard! We, the europeans came to Africa and removed the natural Afro population control elements. We saved lives in hospitals and introduced the most effective breeding program in the world – Apartheid. The Afro population exploded. Go read some census information about populations in the early 1900. You will be shocked. If there were to be a cure for AIDS this planet would suffer. More likely some new incurable “infection” will rear its dominant head. No Eduard, let it be and let nature take its course or we will without a doubt kill ourselves. In this day and age it’s not the strong/animalistic that survive. P.S. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a cure for AIDS. There is also no doubt in my mind that keeping the cure out of the general publics reach is in the best interest of the planet.

  • Lekke - 2012-01-24 06:59

    Oneway to trim the loyalty vote. Also interesting to hear high infection rate amoung young "african" adults Maybe in future there will be jobs again for our white and coulord educated young adults .

  • Sinabo Mnqonywa - 2012-01-24 07:26

    I must say it is rather disappointing to read a majority of the comments on this blog. It saddens me that people are so cold and lack sympathy towards the affected families. Fair enough majority of HIV infections are through sexual contact. However I'd like to point it out to everyone that it would be prudent to treat every case of infection by its merits. Let's not use the blanket rule. To end off , let's not make this thing about race. As a medic I know very well that it exists in all communities. Having worked in the private sector I have the opportunity to treat the "elite". HIV affects us people.

      Newsreader - 2012-01-24 07:58

      Sinabo.... Do you know where it starts? At the top! Do you think after the ANC have perpetuated the race devide with all their BEE, BBB, BS.... crap! IT WILL NEVER CHANGE UNTIL THE VOTERS MENTALITY CHANGES. (That includes the ability to understand that HIV is transmitted through physical contact) Oh but then thats when Jesus comes as most of them like to quote to teh masses! Your vote! Your leaders! Deal with it!

      berni.venter - 2012-03-29 14:10

      I agree with you Sinabo. Our statistics are from the Public Sector only. Private sector are not compelled to disclose their statistics. As a medic you are well aware that the current prevalence rate is 30,2% A lot of South Africans would be absolutely panic stricken if they new what the true state of affairs were in the own sheltered 'private medical cover' communities. What blows my mind is the number of teenage pregnancies. HIV/AIDS has been covered every year in the school curriculum so the problem here is not knowledge but behaviour!

  • Sampie - 2012-01-24 07:34

    Are we really gona be blamimg people or even goverment if people prefer to live an imoral life style. There people that should had changed their names to Sasol, "having a pomp in every town". Come SA, we Goverment to not doing good in everything, but sexual behavouir has got nothing to do with budget and service delivery. "One Wife, One Husband", and note I said WIFE & HUSBAND, nie vat en sit nie...

  • Deeteem - 2012-01-24 07:34

    These figures are nowhere the truth as stats for AIDS related deaths have not been accurately documented since 1994 !!

      Silver - 2012-01-24 07:52

      Be thankful.

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 10:03

      I think we're all assuming that the "documented" numbers are well below the actual numbers.

  • Peter - 2012-01-24 07:49

    Only 4.4 m ? Understating the figres again to cover up thier ignorace and greed

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 10:05

      Human nature is to decieve/lie/project yourself etc, knowing that, do you think that they know the actual numbers? Maybe they are just publishing what they can prove?

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 10:05


  • Stephen - 2012-01-24 07:52

    Is That All i would imagine this is a crap figure i think it's twice as much as what they say.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-01-24 07:56

    We look at numbers, blame people and do many other things, but the social and ideological ills that brings all this about is never attacked and sorted the end we all suffer because of this. Over population is an evil that at some point we will have to face and destroy.

  • Phumi - 2012-01-24 07:57

    Taking out the number of those who were raped and those who accidentally got infected from this is small. Mbeki was right to say that people should learn to be sexually responsible and it is not the job of government to check what they do in their privacy! Aids is prevelent in black community because of poverty and lack of education. This is where Mbeki wanted us to start and this is what these so called psuedo scientists with their sponsored views didnt want us to believe!

  • ruimteseerower - 2012-01-24 08:17

    coverment dont care about south africans they are to involved in there own corrupsion ideas ,hiv to them mean culling of the majority ,the more people that die of aids the more money they save on crants,better cars and houses they can buy

  • robbieyahu - 2012-01-24 08:22

    the comments here are really a good laugh !!! blaming everything except ..."the do-ings & the screw-ings of the ewings !!!" hahaha thanks i had a chuckle at my fellow south africans usual blaming all and everything except the real causes ..... i'm amazed that nobody has blamed religion ... well let me blame it then ... aids is caused by religion !! okay only joking ..but i still oppose religion because it is EVIL .... and has caused more deaths than aids ..... peace4peace

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 10:46

      I like it.... in some wya I suppose it could be religion's fault, if you look for it you will find it... hehehe

  • pws69 - 2012-01-24 08:23

    How people choose to live (their lifestyles) contributes more to AIDS than anything else. No government in the world will be able to control AIDS if people CHOOSE to fornicate without regard to protection or use dirty needles when CHOOSING to use drugs. We are treating the symptom instead of the cause. Exclusion: Some people do contract AIDS through no fault of their own such as rape victims or medical personnel inadvertently exposed.

  • procold2 - 2012-01-24 08:45

    Its a lie, i believe there are a lot more

  • Mashudu - 2012-01-24 08:53

    Mbeki & the late Manto Tshabala-Msimang are to blame for this.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-01-24 09:15

    what's laughable is this assumption by people in this forum that all these victims are black. Such ignorance is the reason black people managed to take the country from these so called highly intelligent whites.

      Heiku - 2012-01-24 11:01

      Actually it was the opposite of ignorance that ended apartheid. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

      Donaker - 2012-01-24 16:49

      Not quite hey, the blacks, a majority, let themselves be oppressed by a minority, until the minority decided not to do so anymore via a referendum.

  • Sizwe - 2012-01-24 10:09

    Do not blame Mbeki for the AIDS pandemic. Just stop fornicating.

  • Hosam - 2012-01-24 12:30

    i think the big factor of HIV among the teen is the alcohols and parents has less attention to their kids,,,its really terrible report,,,but i expect they may find some way to stop this disease during the next 10years,,

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 13:14

      I don't think it's parents giving less attention, it's the fact that there is no dicipline anymore, kids can shout and go mad at their parents and teachers, but if you try to dicipline them they cry abuse! Bring back good old "lyfstraf", beat them young ones into following the rules and to teach them societal respectfulness. I would not have dared to disrespect my elders, I'd get the hiding of a lifetime, and you can all go and say it doesn't work and blah-blah-blah, IT DOES WORK, there were less problems when people/teachers were allowed to beat their kids!

      cwboshoff - 2012-01-24 13:15

      oops, my spelling is terrible today. *discipline

  • celeste.rsa - 2012-01-24 13:31

    You never hear of anyone dying of's usually pneumonia, TB, lung infections.....I've yet to understand why dying of AIDS is kept such a secret, after all, we can read between the lines.

  • Faizie - 2012-02-06 08:18

    Its like the fat chick eating a dohnut, you have to put it in to get it

  • FloorWizPro - 2012-02-06 21:15

    Irrelevant stats, as they are always quoted in isolation. Stats can be twisted to make a story more sensationalist. No mention is made of the population growth in the same period. People hate me for my opinion, still. We are not meant to be immortal. We (the human population) cannot just keep growing uncontrollably, we need diseases to control our numbers, as we are unwilling to do it ourselves. Excluding rape and medical incidents, HIV is a preventable disease. People need to take ownership of their own lives, it is so easy to blame the government, or everybody but oneself. Nature is awesome. A hundred years ago an influenza epidemic wiped out 50 million people and that was completely beyond our control. It really doesn't matter how many people die, many more will be born to be replace them, our global population number stands testament to that fact. Death is of course a personal tragedy, but we will all go some day.

  • evdwesthuizen1 - 2012-03-29 09:55

    To few... To slow....

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